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How come when the Antichrist writes a book, it possesses all the qualities of youth: enthusiasm, foolishness, and love? And the Bible that of an old man, so much more severe, stern, and weary? Are there honestly people on this board who prefer reading the latter?

>> No.12926892

You're a retard who can't even form a proper question.


>How come when the Antichrist writes a book,
Who? Neitzche ? He's anti-Christ but he's not "The Anti-Christ" because that wouldn't make sense.

>it possesses all the qualities of youth: enthusiasm, foolishness, and love?
What specific book? Neitzche wrote several different books. None of which seem to carry the traits which you prescribe such a book.

>And the Bible that of an old man, so much more severe, stern, and weary?
The Bible isn't just one book. You need to stop looking it at that way, also all the books in the Bible are much older and less modern.
Also I believe severe, stern and weary is a much better description for a book that puts your soul through an anvil.


>Are there honestly people on this board who prefer reading the latter?

It depends on my current interest and reason to study, but yes the Bible wins decisively when I wish to read for pleasure.

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>>12926869
I wonder this too. I think most of them just LARP it. They've bought into the Leap of Faith meme and stuck in their childhood "trad" programming.
Still so many of them hate Nietzsche without having read him, or read him poorly and misunderstand.

>> No.12926916

>>12926907
>If you're philosophically minded you have to believe in The leap of faith process

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>>12926892
>that wouldn't make sense.
Why
>None of which seem to carry the traits
I'm no NIET scholar, but this is the general sense I retain. Read the Tholander essay, he can tell you better.
>The Bible isn't just one book
Cope. It's all decrepit NT and OT

>>12926916
What? Nothing like what I said.

>> No.12926951

>>12926923
>They've bought into the Leap of Faith meme and stuck in their childhood "trad" programming.
Extrapolate the pathology this leads to
>>12926923
So you're OP and you're samefagging your own thread?

Fuck off

>> No.12926953

>>12926892
>It depends on my current interest and reason to study, but yes the Bible wins decisively when I wish to read for pleasure.
>Also I believe severe, stern and weary is a much better description for a book that puts your soul through an anvil.

This is the power or bad conscience.

>> No.12926957

>>12926951
>So you're OP
Naw

>> No.12926960

>>12926957
Thanks for ignoring my other statement.
You're being shady as fuck.

>>that wouldn't make sense.
>Why
>>None of which seem to carry the traits
I'm no NIET scholar, but this is the general sense I retain. Read the Tholander essay, he can tell you better.
>>The Bible isn't just one book
>Cope. It's all decrepit NT and OT

So you're saying you agree with all of OP and responded to my post that was to OP as if you were OP but you're not OP?

If it quacks like a duck...

>> No.12926964

>>12926953
You can have light reading of the Bible as well as a heavy reading of it.

>> No.12926966

>>12926892
Zarathustra is an antichrist.

>> No.12926968

>>12926964
Why don't you embrace life, instead of denying it?

>> No.12926984

>>12926968
I don't anon, and I don't think you know what you're talking Bout.

>> No.12926997

>>12926984
You know not the Will to Power, and you are not one to laugh.

>> No.12927002

>>12926997
I understand the will to power anon, I Do not agree with N's assessment of it's compatibility with God, how ever.

>> No.12927020

>>12927002
God is dead. Now stop posting, slave.

>> No.12927052

>>12927020
You claim you understand Neitzche and then you apply this idealogy wrongly?

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>>12927052
>

>> No.12927068

>>12927061
It's funny Peterson is following Neitzche to the T about God being dead, yet Peterson continues to find substance about psychological truth from the Bible while keeping God 'dead'.


Yet if we use the Bible for any discourse we get people harping about appeal to authority, while saying "God is dead" and irrelevant.

>> No.12927277

>>12927068
No? He talks about God being dead because humanity killed him. But Nietzsche talks about God being killed out of pity for man.

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>ITT: fellow intellectuals of r/atheism

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>/lit/ is still in entry-level mode and not discussing Dya-Na-Sore by von Meyern
do you even read?

>> No.12927344

>>12927307
Your God is a slave's revenge.

>> No.12927379

>>12926957
Butterfly I respond to all of you posts and you refuse to respond. Just send me a picture or something fuck :3

>> No.12927380

>>12926966
No, not really. He's a secular being that embodies radical individualist yearning for reaching the Self in the Hegelian sense. He's not metaphysical. His entire ontological basis is the awareness of mankind's need for a pre-modern axiom system, caused, as you know, by the death of God. Zarathustra is as de-mystified as any other being in the post-enlightenment paradigm that Nietzsche is so worried about.

>> No.12927384

>>12927379
Not me :3

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>>12927380
lol ok

>> No.12927434

>>12927422
>what is a metaphor
if you actually read Zarathustra, he never calls himself that.

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>>12927380
>>12927422
fucking metadata

>> No.12927463

>>12927434
Youre moving goalposts

>> No.12927484

>>12927434
Furthermore, Nietzsche picked Zarathustra as a kind of irony. The one who created Good and Evil is the same one to surpass it. In this way, he is indeed an Antichrist.

>> No.12927551

>>12927380
Zarathustra is not a Hegelian being. Nietzsche was absolutely in opposition to Hegel and his phenomenology.

>> No.12927565

>>12926869
nietzsche was dionysus the crucified, not the antichrist. nietzsche said nothing on "enthusiasm," didn't advocate foolishness, and disdained the desire for love (although he did laud falling in love, which is different). your opinion on the bible is just that - your opinion. personally i find christianity to be very youthful. overall you're a brainlet who has misunderstood both nietzsche and the bible! don't even read nietzsche if you're just going to hold it against the bible, especially when it seems like you're only talking about the old testament here, which nietzsche liked... have you even read any of these books?

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>>12926869
Turns out old greasy Jewish men hate life and write their holy scripture accordingly. Meanwhile a white man is the polar opposite, therefore deserving the judeochristian smear title: Antichrist.

>> No.12927579

>>12927565
What exactly do you find youthful about a 2000 year old religion that offers eternal damnation for lack of guilt?

>> No.12927594

>>12927579
is there anything more youthful than eternal life?

>> No.12927622

>>12927594
No, there is nothing more world weary and life denying. This world is enough, in fact its plenty already.

>> No.12927646

>>12927622
how can the world be enough when there is no world?

>> No.12927649

>>12926869
i got hooooooooes
calllllliiiiiiing

>> No.12927652

>>12927646
>how can mirrors be real if our eye's aren't real

>> No.12927657

>>12927652
moron

>> No.12927663

I wouldn't call Nietzsche the Anti-Christ. And he's also expanding on ideas in the Bible in many ways. You'll get more out of TSZ if you read the Bible first.

>> No.12927676

>>12927622
>thinking Nietzsche is advocating for world-infatuation
Retard

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>>12927657
faggot

>> No.12927691

>>12927676
I never implied that, bugman

>> No.12927702

>>12927676
Read Zarathustra

>> No.12927723

>>12927680
kill yourself

>> No.12927730

>>12927691
>>12927702
>*tips fedora*

>> No.12927746

>>12927723
>>12927730
epic win! But seriously, you guys aren't ready for Nietzsche. Go back to Hume, then Kant.

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>>12927746
you don't even understand nietzsche you fucking brainlet. all of us are smarter and have a better, deeper understanding of nietzsche than you. go read jordan peterson

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>>12927797
>i was only pretending to be retarded!
oof

>> No.12927813

>>12927806
fuck you're stupid

>> No.12927898

>>12927797
and i bet u integrate that function from -1 to 1 :)

>> No.12927933

Great talk guys.

>> No.12928073

How come when OP makes a post, it possesses all the qualities of mental impairment: denseness, foolishness, and confusion?

>> No.12928094

>>12928073
better than 90% of the catalog tbqhwyf

>> No.12928095

>>12927933
Funny how a dialogue can descent into "you don't know x as well as i, fuck you"... the epitome of someone who is just using words of a philosophy to just win arguments.

>> No.12928101

>>12926869
kill the old man inside you and act with unabashed passion
I want to be a heart with testicles

>> No.12928188

>>12926892
>Who? Neitzche ?
Yes? You know, the philosopher who wrote a book called The Antichrist, referred to himself as the Antichrist in his writings, and created a philosophy / value system that is the strongest form of anti-Christianity there is? Yes, that fellow.

>What specific book?
There is a specific book in the OP. Pay attention.

>None of which seem to carry the traits which you prescribe such a book.
You have clearly not read any of them from beginning to end, or Thus Spoke Zarathustra at all.

Also, it's Nietzsche, not "Neitzsche." Learn to spell.

>>12926907
>I think most of them just LARP it.
Agree. Judging by the thread, it appears most of the posters attacking Nietzsche / defending the Bible haven't really read much of either.

>> No.12928242

>>12928095
Yeah, for example:
>>12927380
He uses big boy words to hide his lack of understanding in the matter. There is nothing more pseudo-intellectual than that

>> No.12928308

>>12928101
nothing says unbridled passion for life like shitposting on 4chan on a Saturday

>> No.12928821

>>12928188
>Yes? You know, the philosopher who wrote a book called The Antichrist, referred to himself as the Antichrist in his writings, and created a philosophy / value system that is the strongest form of anti-Christianity there is? Yes, that fellow.
I didn't know one can claim to be a something that already has a definition, and then change the meaning. Any one can be the Anti-Christ by simply denying Christ, but there is a "anti Christ" that is a specific person in revelation ( N isn't him)


>You have clearly not read any of them from beginning to end, or Thus Spoke Zarathustra at all.
I have and it's sad see the an intellectual using their own opinion as objective fact. I was just showing a differing view not claiming my view as fact.
>Also, it's Nietzsche, not "Neitzsche." Learn to spell.
I'm dyslexic, there is no need for such hostility.

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>>12928821

>> No.12928840

>>12927565
>Dionysus the crucified
>the
How does it feel to be just as retarded as the guy you're replying to?

>> No.12928871

>>12928242
it's funny: you only believe these are "big boy words" because you're a 21 year old STEM sophomore bugman. nobody on /lit/ would call them that.

>> No.12928958

>>12926869
the antichrist was a hedge against inevitable criticism, he is not nor ever will be a real person ("THE" antichrist). it remains a word that can be utilized as needed against any significant threat against the religion.

neitzsche breathed new life into christianity. he demands serious consideration of its foolishness and flaws. reading him will only make a christian better. he is wildly entertaining and witty, quite in opposition to millennia of terribly boring apologetics and metaphysics.

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>>12928871
fuck me you are hopeless

>> No.12929022

>>12926869
Nietzsche himself said that one shouldn't take him too seriously since he was himself a product of the Christianity he despised. As a Christian I find it highly ironic that he so eminently possesses Jesus of Nazareth's passion for human dignity, even if Nietzsche was deeply warped.

>Youth, enthusiasm, foolishness and love
Have we been reading the same Nietzsche? Nietzsche the militarist? Nietzsche the mad prophet? Nietzsche the man who contracted syphilis from his only sexual encounter and was also a misogynist? Nope.

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>In fact, a strange connection becomes apparent between Mors and Amor, Love and Death. The moment of 'extinction' in the pleasure of love resembles that of death, and thus that of the mystic. In mythic terms, Eros and Thanatos are almost twins, for in some cases Death appears as a lovely youth, and Eros as a withered starveling

>> No.12929055

>>12928992
You've never read a word of Hegel. You've never read a word of Adorno. You've maybe read some Nietzsche but deep down you're aware that your understanding of him is very, very poor; you read him and understand very little. You come here to shitpost and you learn nothing, ultimately wasting your time.

>> No.12929080

>>12928833
Contrary, my stance has not changed and you are trying to argue semantics

>> No.12929091

>>12928821
>I didn't know one can claim to be a something that already has a definition, and then change the meaning.
Well, welcome to human civilization, I guess? How is the meaning being changed anyway when Nietzsche's value system directly opposes everything related to Christ and is the first one of its kind to be formalized to such an unrelenting degree that it devastated Christians ever since?

>I'm dyslexic, there is no need for such hostility.
There is no need for pity either. This is a literature board and a philosophy thread, so make a better effort at proofing if you need to keep up.

>> No.12929098

>>12926869
The young man thinks the old a fool, whereas the old man knows the young man to be so.

>> No.12929101

>>12926997
>>12927020
Cringe

>> No.12929104

>>12929098
If the old man thinks he knows anything, he's a bigger fool than the young man who thinks the same thing.

>> No.12929224

>>12929091
Anti Christ comes from Christianity it self, it would be the same as one changing the term of Brahman in Buddhism. You can do it, but it's stupid.
Like I said, he is an anti Christ but he is not the "Anti Christ".
The Protestant movement is what destroyed Christianity with it's liberal docterines.

I didn't ask for pity, I was giving you a reason for the spelling error.

>> No.12929382

>>12929224
>Like I said, he is an anti Christ but he is not the "Anti Christ".
Only because you don't understand the implications of his work and how it has influenced Western civilization since the 19th century.

>> No.12929426

>>12926869
Since every single word of What you wrote is a lie, i can't answer in any way constructive nor offer an argument.
I can only recomend that You hang yourself asap.

>> No.12929558

>>12929426
>Capitalizing Random Words
Get On My Level, Pleb.

>> No.12930055

>>12928840
nietzsche did sign his letters 'dionysus' and 'the crucified,' but apparently i made a mistake because i'm not sure if he ever signed as 'dionysus the crucified' - his signature at the end of ecce homo was dionysus versus/against the crucified (depending on the translation)

>> No.12930963

>>12929080
>Zarathustra isn't the antichrist!
>Well, he is, but only metaphorically!
>Well maybe not, be he isn't the antichrist from the bible!
pathetic

>> No.12931128

You know funny thing about Nietzsche... he HATED people who read a philosophy as a means to an end, instead of truly living the written thing... that's why he wrote the Antichrist, because he felt the church of Christ was not about the gospel anymore. No he wasn't "Antichristianism", that's the shallowest interpretation of his work, it's like reading "God is Dead" and thinking he was being smug about it, he wasn't a child who discussed his shit unless he had truly something to say or defend. This thread is the most dreadful display of narcissism. I'm not advocating for any of you children here. Don't hijack my words for your own stupid argument, and specially don't dare to suggest that i'm being arrogant, when i say you guys are children, it doesn't imply that i'm mature, just that someone needs to rethink his actions.
Fuck this thread so much.

>> No.12931296

>>12931128
>Nietzsche
>Not anti-christian
wut

>> No.12931319

>>12930963
absolute retard I have been saying the same thing from the beginning

>> No.12931470

>>12931319
You can't think. You can't write. You know nothing about Nietzsche. Don't talk to me.

>> No.12931551

>>12931470
Awe, sorry to offend your nihilist safe space.

>> No.12931557

>>12931296
Read that post again you dim wit

>> No.12931585

>>12929382
Yikes

>> No.12931628

>>12931551
>Nietzsche
>Nihilist
wew

>> No.12931656

>>12926869
>thinking one is “superior” to the other
The mark of a true brainlet.

>> No.12931665

>>12926923
>>12926957
>butterfaggot ruins another thread
Where the fuck is the bugspray when you need it

>> No.12931671

>>12927020
>God is dead
>God is talked about more than ever in endless discussions on a Cambodian fishing forum
Pick one

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>>12927579
>CURRENT YEAR

>> No.12931688

>>12931628
I'm not saying he's a nihilist, I'm saying YOU are.

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>>12931671
>>12931682
>>>/pol/

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>>12931688
Christianity is nihilism.

>> No.12931692

>>12931128
>No he wasn't "Antichristianism"
Yes he was, if you consider that no one uses the term Christian to refer to what he referred to or to what you are referring to. As far as everyone's understanding of Christianity goes, he was anti-Christian. Your assertion will be misconstrued and misunderstood if you try to assert otherwise.

>> No.12931695

>>12929091
>it devastated Christians ever since
Proof?

>> No.12931697

>>12931691
Now I know you're just baiting

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>>12931665
>>12931682
Could you just go read something.

>> No.12931703

>>12931695
Chesterton, Tolstoy, and Girard for starters.

>> No.12931704

>>12931692
He was anti Christian in the sense of it's over reaching establishment, it's constructive hold on philosophy and morals and how it coddled and awarded it's blind followers.

You are approaching his view completely wrongly

>> No.12931707

>>12931698
Don’t @ me you fucking insect.

>> No.12931711

>>12931703
?

>> No.12931712

>>12931703
But Nietzsche was just the person to point out the fall of Christianity and it's fall into night, past the horizon of the observer of his time.

He said others where also aware of it's fall.

>> No.12931722

>>12931704
Nonsense. You haven't read enough of his work. Nietzsche loathes the priest; Zarathustra stands against those who shame the body and who speak of a world beyond this one. He denies Plato entirely, calling the whole enterprise of metaphysics a lie of his making. He also calls the man Jesus immature — a free spirit, sure, but not the Overman.

>> No.12931728

>>12931712
>In truth, there was only one Christian, and he died on the cross.
The "fall of Christianity" began when Jesus died.

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>>12926907
>>12926923
>>12926957
>>12931698

>> No.12931741

>>12931722


Obviously he was hyper critical of the Church and held great disdain for the Church at his time, but he did not hate all of Christianity - see his view on the Old Testament

>> No.12931744

>>12931707
>internet tough guy
Fucking sad. You're an imbecile.

>> No.12931745

>>12931697
>t. didn't read GM

>> No.12931751

>>12931741
The Old Testament isn't the Christian one, buddy.

>> No.12931753

>>12931728
You're extrapolating into suppositions that differ from Nietzsche's own claims when you say Christianity fell at the death of Christ.

> The Only Christian ( Christ ) =/= His followers ( Christianity )

>> No.12931760

>>12931751
It is and this proves you have no idea about Church history.
A new religion didn't start with Christ, a religion was fulfilled and transformed by Christ.

Have you even read the books for which you contend against me?

>> No.12931768

>>12931760
holy shit look at those mental gymnastics
how could one be so blinded by dogma?

>> No.12931775

>>12931753
Nietzsche doesn't view anything we know of Christianity to actually be related to Christ. He attributes everything we know to be the responsibility of St. Paul, who combined Greek and Jewish religion and used Christ's name to boost himself. Meanwhile, he psychoanalyzes Jesus in The Antichrist as a man who saw everything the world values as meaningless, and who did not believe in any afterlife at all — rather, that heaven and the escape of death was attainable here, in this life, as a condition of the heart.

>> No.12931778

>>12931768
You just claimed the Old Testament isn't a Christian book.
Now you're using ad hominem attacks on me to gas light the conversation.

Really epic my dude.

>> No.12931792

>>12931775
>Nietzsche doesn't view anything we know of Christianity to actually be related to Christ.
So how does his Christianity ( that has nothing to do with Christ ) fall at Christ's death?
Also, how are we to know Christ except for the only source we know about him?

>He attributes everything we know to be the responsibility of St. Paul, who combined Greek and Jewish religion and used Christ's name to boost himself.
Which is weirdly inaccurate because we have a history of an actual Church starting with Peter, and then the remaining apostles who have a history before Paul even converted.

>Meanwhile, he psychoanalyzes Jesus in The Antichrist as a man who saw everything the world values as meaningless
Which is true in regards to the ways and traditions of man.
>and who did not believe in any afterlife at all — rather, that heaven and the escape of death was attainable here, in this life, as a condition of the heart.
This is a hot take and I see how he can arrive there. But there are instances in the Bible that are counter to this, quotes of Jesus him self.

>> No.12931798

>>12931741
I don't think you know what it is you're arguing for. There isn't a single Christian out there who knows their shit who would agree with Nietzsche if they knew his shit.

>> No.12931799

>>12931778
It isn't. It's a Jewish book.

>> No.12931800

>>12931798
>there isn't a single one

You are talking to one right now bud

>> No.12931801

>>12931792
So you're basically admitting here that you haven't read all that much of him. Why do you people even bother posting in Nietzsche threads? For fuck's sake, go read the man before you post. Such a waste of everyone else's time.

>> No.12931803

>>12931800
And you either don't know your shit or you don't know his. Fucking read him.

>> No.12931807

>>12931801
I have read him, I'm showing you a fallacy in your logic.


>Nietzsche doesn't view anything we know of Christianity to actually be related to Christ.
So how does his Christianity ( that has nothing to do with Christ ) fall at Christ's death?
Also, how are we to know Christ except for the only source we know about him?

Your claim here

>>12931728
How does something fall because of something, if it is unrelated to the something? Do you see your dissonance?

>> No.12931810

>>12931807
>I have read him
Not that much of him, dude. Everything I wrote here >>12931792 is from The Antichrist. The answers to your questions are even addressed there. Go read that book and stop wasting my time.

>> No.12931811

>>12931803
It's pretty obvious I know what I'm talking about as I have read him.
I don't agree with everything he says -

>> No.12931812

>>12926869
Isn’t it written by that bitter German LARPing as a Pole who went nutty in the head and died of syphilis?

lol

>> No.12931815

>>12931810


>In truth, there was only one Christian, and he died on the cross =/= The "fall of Christianity" began when Jesus died

>> No.12931816

>>12931812
>who went nutty in the head
Brain cancer'll do that to you.

>> No.12931821

>>12931815
He regards what Jesus was teaching as being very different from what every "Christian" after him has taught and also superior to what they've taught. Again, stop being a little bitch, and go read The Antichrist if you truly care about this topic.

>> No.12931831

>>12931821
So how does Christianity die at Christ's death,
if it's unrelated to Christ?

These are your words.

>> No.12931835

>>12931831
>how does Christianity die at Christ's death
By not actually passing down the values of Christ at all and instead passing down unrelated, inferior values, geared towards mob control rather than any kind of spiritual enlightenment.

>> No.12931849

>>12931698
>>12931744
Hang yourself and livestream it. See if your wings can help you fly off the noose :^)

>> No.12931855

>>12931849
What's your fucking beef with Butterfly? She posted nothing controversial itt.

>> No.12931865

>>12931835
So Christianity is related to Christ?
as a weaker wisdom of his own?

Because it seems to me the ideas of Christ pass down amicably through the theologian and philosophers of the Church.
Not to the general of course, but to those who look.

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>>12931855
>She

>> No.12931874

>>12931865
>as a weaker wisdom of his own?
As not wisdom of his at all. Hence why Nietzsche thought that Jesus thought of heaven and the escape of death as attainable here and that here is the only place, and why there's no good (as in well-trained) Christian who thinks that.

>> No.12931896

>>12931855
Buttertranny is a thread-soiling attention whore who deserves to be exterminated. Plain and simple.

>> No.12931898

>>12931874
If it's not his wisdom at all, Where does Christianity fall from exactly?


You say it fell at his death...but you also claim that it had nothing to fall from, as it was a form of "mob control" from the beginning.

>> No.12931900

>>12931898
>Where does Christianity fall from exactly?
St. Paul. To Nietzsche, you aren't a Christian, you're a Paulist.

>> No.12931902

>>12931900
If it fell from St. Paul, how does the death of Christ have anything to do with it?

>> No.12931914

>>12931902
What are you even asking for clarification on at this point? Have I not explained everything to you?

>> No.12931921

>>12931914
he's retarded, what do you expect

>> No.12931924

>>12931896
I'd way rather read her posts than yours.

>> No.12931932

>>12931914
I just see a split dichotomy going on. I see your personal views conflating with Nietzsche's in the answers.

>> No.12931934

>>12931932
>I see your personal views conflating with Nietzsche's in the answers.
Yeah? Which ones?

>> No.12931945

>>12931934

>>12931712
>>12931728

>> No.12931955

>>12931945
His regarding of the teachings that St. Paul propagated as inferior to the teachings of that of "the Redeemer" aka the man Jesus is all over the book The Antichrist. It's not just my views at all.

>> No.12931957

>>12931955
so you think what I said was wrong here? Or perhaps you don't understand the context?
Because the way you responded doesn't make sense.

>>12931712

>> No.12931970

>>12931957
What you said there was pointless and ultimately made no sense as a response to >>12931712

>> No.12931972

>>12926869
learn to write before posting here

>> No.12931977

>>12931970
meant to refer to >>12931703

>> No.12932002 [DELETED] 

>>12931970
>>12931977
That was the topic about how N was the anti Christ or not. I was saying he is one in the general sense because he cannot be the specific person in question ( the being found in Revelation ) You gave 3 writers that struggled with N and his philsophy.

With my response I was contending that he was merely acting as a vehicle of the times, and he was an observer of the destitution that befell Christianity under his observance.

You claiming Christianity fell at Christs death instead, is in complete contrast to Neitzches own statements in "The Gay Science, book 5".

>> No.12932011

>>12931970 #
>>12931977 #
That was the topic about how N was the anti Christ or not. I was saying he is one in the general sense because he cannot be the specific person in question ( the being found in Revelation ) You gave 3 writers that struggled with N and his philsophy.

With my response I was contending that he was merely acting as a vehicle of the times, by being a commentator on the destitution that befell Christianity under his observance.

You claiming Christianity fell at Christs death instead, is in complete contrast to Nietzsche's own statements in "The Gay Science, book 5".

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>>12931896
You trolls are the thread stealing attention whoring bugs

>> No.12932043

antichrist is properly translated 'replacement christ' and it is meant in both main senses
the bible uses it to describe the teachings and activities that replace God, and it is also used to refer to a specific person who pretends to be God, and is worshiped in the end days as God
a running theme is both old and new testament is the filthiness of flesh life, its temporary, painful, and meaningless nature, and a permanent reward that is found in the unmerited favor of God
it sounds like he's just trying to start an argument, and smear the bible without discussing it in particulars

>> No.12932047

>>12932011
>You gave 3 writers that struggled with N and his philsophy.
Because you / someone asked for proof that Nietzsche's work devastated Christians.

>With my response I was contending that he was merely acting as a vehicle of the times, by being a commentator on the destitution that befell Christianity under his observance.
Okay. But what's your point here, exactly?

>You claiming Christianity fell at Christs death instead, is in complete contrast to Nietzsche's own statements in "The Gay Science, book 5".
No it isn't. I'm not talking about the death of God here and how the belief in the Christian God became impossible. I was talking about the values of Christ there. Those died when Christ died, per Nietzsche.

>> No.12932067

>>12932047
>No it isn't. I'm not talking about the death of God here and how the belief in the Christian God became impossible. I was talking about the values of Christ there. Those died when Christ died, per Nietzsche.
Exactly. You said Christianity has nothing to do with Christ. I was talking about Christianity, hence why your response here
>>12931728
to mine here
>>12931712
Doesn't make sense.

If Christ was never the Christian God to begin with ( because he thinks Christianity is a subversion of the reality of what Christ taught ), then the death of the Christian God, is the death of Christianity.

"For the few, at least, whose eyes, whose suspicion in their eyes, is strong and sensitive enough for this spectacle, some sun seems to have set just now"

>> No.12932072

>>12932031
I personally have never responded to you but you really are a detriment to this board. I've never thought a single post you have made was worth reading, just annoying and childish self-centeredness. Why do you use the trip whore? That being said, I think anything pushing me away from this site is a good thing.

>> No.12932094

>>12932072
Your copy/pasta is stale and stupid. Go read a book.

>> No.12932604

>>12932072
Don't blame her for the increase in low IQ posters on this board who can't stop responding to someone with a trip code, and with no substance in their posts to boot.

>> No.12932890

What does it mean to be life denying?

>> No.12932910

>>12932890
To morally reject one or more categories of meaning in life.

>> No.12932919

>>12932910
And what are these categories? How do you know what they are?

>> No.12932930

>>12932919
>And what are these categories?
There's as many of them as there are perspectives.

>How do you know what they are?
You observe and think about other perspectives.

>> No.12932941

>>12926869
If you're interested in actually reading Zarathustra, /lit/'s new Nietzsche book club is reading Part 1 this week. https://discord.gg/fMJFUwJ

>> No.12933112

>>12931924
>her

>> No.12933122

>>12932047
>how the belief in the Christian God became impossible
This seems factually wrong.

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>>12931924
>>12932604
>her
Butterfag is a man my dude

>> No.12933143

>>12933138
Fuck off

>> No.12933146

>>12933122
>The meaning of our cheerfulness.—The greatest recent event—that "God is dead," that the belief in the Christian god has become unbelievable—is already beginning to cast its first shadows over Europe. For the few at least, whose eyes—the suspicion in whose eyes is strong and subtle enough for this spectacle, some sun seems to have set and some ancient and profound trust has been turned into doubt; to them our old world must appear daily more like evening, more mistrustful, stranger, "older." But in the main one may say: The event itself is far too great, too distant, too remote from the multitude's capacity for comprehension even for the tidings of it to be thought of as having arrived as yet.

>> No.12933189

>>12933143
Why do you LARP as a girl? What do you gain from it? Attention?

This just seems to prove what anon was saying here >>12932072

>> No.12933196

>>12933146
>quotes irrelevant passage containing flowery language
What did he mean by this

>> No.12933204

>>12933189
1. YOU are derailing the thread
2. I hid my sex from anonymous: They harassed the truth out of me years ago.
3. That post is some weak ass pasta
Shut up

>> No.12933248

>>12933196
When Nietzsche asserted that the belief in the Christian god "has become unbelievable" aka became impossible, he was talking about a select few who already saw the end conclusions being drawn from the history of Western civilization, which that passage states. So it isn't irrelevant and it isn't factually wrong when you understand the context of the claim.

>> No.12933254

>>12933248
>a select few
Oh I see.

>> No.12933267

>>12933204
>I hid my sex from anonymous: They harassed the truth out of me years ago.

Bull. Shit.

>> No.12933284
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12933284

>he doesn’t like reading both Nietzsche and the Bible

>> No.12933406

>>12933204
Lmao being a girl and wanting/pretending to be a girl are two very different things

>> No.12933523

CRINGE HAHAHAHA YIKES CRINGE JESUS RIGHT CRINGE?? RIGHT?? YIKES WHY ARE YOU GUYS HAVING A DISCUSSION ON HERE

FUCKING CRIIIIIIINGE

>> No.12933565

>>12933267
New. Fag

>>12933406
You’d rather I was a trap/tranny. Hey you can be gay, I don’t give a fuck. This is not your safe space with no women allowed. It’s completely open. Get over it or go make your own board.

>> No.12933570

>>12933560
Please get out of my board. This is warning number one (1). You don't want to know what happens at number 3

>> No.12933575
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>>12933570
My board

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>>12933575
Here goes my warning number 2

>> No.12933606

>>12932043
>antichrist is properly translated 'replacement christ'
Where do you get this from? Ancient Greek ἀντι- means "against" according to Wiktionary.

>> No.12933713

>>12933523
Based and schizopilled.

>> No.12933943

>>12933565
>You’d rather I was a trap/tranny.
No, I’d rather you fuck off like the little faggot you are.
>women

>> No.12933981

>>12932094
I wrote that just for you. Now go read a book.

>> No.12934010

>>12933565
We wish you would conform to anonymity and using a tripcode for every inane post and anouncing your gender is breaking that. The rules of this website state this pretty clearly. Your massive head has gotten to you and so you convince yourself it's about being a "woman" but if you were anonymous and only stated your gender when it applied there would be no problem. By using a tripcode that everyone recognizes it's like saying you are female with every post. In short, I fucking despise you.

>> No.12934616

>>12926923
Why do you believe you'll find intelligent debate here? We're all just wasting our time here talking to other equally retarded pseuds. You do know that right?

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>>12934010
>conform
>your gender
Get a safe space board of your own

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>>12935272
I'm coming for you butterfly <3

You dirty bitch

>> No.12935450

>>12935350
I’m the rape referee, don’t forget to call me

>> No.12935454

>>12935272
Are you Brittany Venti?

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>At first sight, of course, vice is more attractive. She is sexier, she promises to be better company than her plain sister virtue. Every novelist, and every reader too, has more fun with the villains than with the good guys. Goodness is staunch and patient, but wickedness is vivid and dynamic; we admire the first, but we thrill to the second.

>> No.12936516

>>12935454
Are you at all familiar with either of us? No. Almost polar opposites. I'd fuck her, but she's not into it.
>>12936167
Who wrote this? Was it pre or post Nietzsche?

>>12934616
Yeah. Coming back, I've noticed that I'm punching down.

>> No.12936858

>>12926907
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>> No.12936878

>>12928308
I ran to and climbed a mountain directly after writing that post, it took nine hours, fuck you

>> No.12936882

>>12928242
Shit this dude really thinks ontology is a big boy word

>> No.12936949

>>12927594
Eternal life is the opposite of youth. Eternal recurrence is youthful.

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>>12936516
Phillip Pullman wrote that. Post Nietzsche. Good article -
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/feb/21/three-virtues-delight-liberty

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>>12936858

>> No.12937237

>>12937232
>>12936516