/lit/ - Literature

The Consult did nothing wrong.

Does anyone have that Dune "what I read/expected/got" image?

I give up

>>12910786

Joyce plebs BTFO

>>12910808
kinda true desu

>>12910808

How do so many fantasy writers manage to overcome the little voice in their head that says "this is completely fucking awful. Don't even bother finishing that sentence. Give up"

Gonna shill this book until I have someone else to talk about it with.

>>12910831
His half brother was a good boy who didn’t deserve to be murdered by an autistic fit.

>>12910854
Sets out to become a righteous man, kills the only righteous man he ever meets.

>>12910760
Name a better animal companion than Gylf.
You literally can't.

>reading series
>glance at amazon reviews for each book
>lots of positive stuff
>last book in series
>all comments are about how rushed and unsatisfying the ending is
FUCK WHY DID I LOOK

>>12910826
Because they know fantasyfrens have absolutely no taste and will read anything

>>12911020
Maybe they are wrong?

>>12911020
What series?

I am too dumb to understand Book of the New Sun, is Fifth Head of Cerberus more accessible?

>>12911075
You're not too dumb to understand, it's just written to need rereads to understand
If you want something of his that doesn't require rereads, Wizard Knight is pretty alright
The first half of The Wizard is iffy but the other 3/4s are pretty tight

>>12911047
Doubt it. I'm a pleb like them
>>12911063

>>12910826
Poorly read themselves, autism.

>>12910831
It was shilled months ago though.

>>12911169
That book seems to be missing a title anon, it has 2 authors listed on the cover for some weird reason.

>>12911217
Lulz

remind me to nominate this next month

>>12911248

>>12911248
>>12911257
truly litRPG is the genre fiction of late-stage capitalism.

>>12911100
Thanks for the suggestion friend, I've been meaning to start reading that one actually. Plot sounds a bit generic but I'm pretty sure Gene Wolfe manages to make it interesting.

>>12911248
>>12911257
Ultra Kino

>>12911248
>max brooks
What the fuck is this real

Download in OP.

>>12911333
>>12911312
>>12911262
>>12911257
>>12911248
not even memeing it looks like it can be good

>medieval fantasy
>wife stabs her husband in the leg because she’s blustered
>this is cute and quirky
>mfw he dies from infection

>>12910928
Saphira, duh

Has anyone read this? Thoughts?
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27206615-the-forgetting-moon

Are there any series that have absolutely batshit metaphysical/lore to it similar to the Destiny series? I know Moorcock is insane and Elder Scrolls too, but I need more

What's everyone's thoughts on Holy Sister?

>>12911762
My thoughts are
>Mark Lawrence

>>12911762
My thoughts are
>Mark Lawrence

>>12911762
I don't know anything about it or the author, but I took a look at the goodreads comments for it and feel little desire to give it a try.

>>12911762
Seeing Nona exist on the page as an explicitly and canonically bisexual character meant so much to me. As a bi woman, Nona Grey makes me feel seen.

Finished New Sun. I like it a lot more than I did when I was reading the early books. Still don't love it though.
I wasn't keen on how obviously the series needs to be re-read, and I'm not sure how soon I should do that. Should I read Long/Short Sun first?

>>12911393
Where did you get this meme?

>>12911966
From his grandpa.

>>12911931
Well, Long Sun comes before Short Sun, so take a guess.

>>12911346
It's like you don't give a fuck anymore monthly reading anon. You used to try and post your image near the top, now you just put it anywhere.

>>12911762
I didn't read book 2, why would I read three?
Authors these days are using too much damn filler.

>>12912004
Shut up faggot, leave monthly anon alone, he's doing fine

>>12912004
monthly reading is shit and no one actually reads the books. Most of the discussion is by people who already read the book

>>12912004
Who the fuck will read We? No one. So who gives a shit where he puts it. You guys tend to pick shitty books.

>>12911931
I read the series twice over back-to-back. I think it's worth it to pick up all the nuances, but only if you actually liked it the first time around.

>>12911997
I mean before re-reading New Sun.
>>12912230
I liked it, I just didn't love it.
I still don't understand Severian's character at all.

>>12911212
Not by me. And clearly the last shill didn't do his job cause whenever I bring it up, there are, at most, one or two anons who have read it.

So, you know, get to downloading nig.

>>12911512
He’s stretching out the coming of age too long. Every character is taking too long to mature and become useful. Meanwhile nothing gets answered and the plot just becomes more convoluted. I’ll still read book three, but it better move forward some by then.

>>12911762
I think it was his best work. Red Sister was good, much better than his previous "let's set fire to a nuke to make it blow up" series, and then Grey Sister was mediocre. I only read this one because I have the annoying tic of having to finish what I start.

>theseus destroyed
>icarus array destroyed - one fifth of all power generation for earth permanently gone
>bicamerals all dead
>rorschach still on its way
>portia on the loose on earth
>zombie plague spreading
>vampires able to overcome their built in fail safes

how exactly is Watts going to end the trilogy?
unless he pulls some kind of deus ex machina nonsense then mankind is utterly fucked

>>12912311
Nah, take some time to let the first reading be absorbed, and once you finish the entire series, then take another dip in New Sun.

Anyone else getting burnt out on the fantasy genre?

Is Wild Wastes the only western example of a harem/wish fulfillment fantasy where all the relevant girls are virgins?

>>12912538
I'm sure there are other ones but I think Wild Wastes is probably one of the more popular ones.

>>12912538
not all of them are though. but i think its a cultural thing in that particular series. it plays out after ww2 and the war in europe claimed most men so theres a huge discrepancy between male and females in the populus.

>>12912516

Partly why I'm delving more into 1920s and Pre-Tolkien works. I'm tired of Tolkien and GRRM clones.

>>12912556
Well, it's the only one I have read so far, I think.

>>12912566
I am quite sure that every single one of Vince's wives had never been with a man and only a couple of dryads had experience with each other.

>>12912538
Wheel of Time

>>12912598
Wait shit you meant western as in the genre not the West, my bad

>>12912606
No, I did mean Western. I suppose WoT would count even if it takes a long time to get there, I couldn't even get through Eye of the World, unfortunately.

>>12912004
>near the top
that was me when i was making the threads, he's just doing what he always do

>>12910760
Mononoke is overrated. Pic related and Porco Rosso are Miyazaki's best movies.

>>12912315
I'm not reading that trash.
Not because shit was shilled means people will read.
You think people read to kill a god? Or masters of rome?

>>12912670
>Miyazaki's best movie was directed by Yoshifumi
True, but Miyazaki shitposting belongs on >>>/a/

>>12912516
Yea, everything just seems to be the same old shit these days.

>>12912516
That's why you have to delve into the self published books.

>>12912673
Why don't you be a real man and read it?

The Witcher 3 is the best, most immersive fantasy game out there. It keeps me fed, I hate this drought of contemporary fantasy books.

>tfw it took you 4 years to come up with a plot and now you realize you need to scrap the whole thing to make it a mystery instead of an adventure in order for it not to suck

>>12912516
a little. its not the genre so much as it is that there's so little thats remotely readable

So do all the gods look to reap the world or is that just Ajokli? I want to know what happened to Sorweel. Is Yatwer a lying bitch?

>>12910928
Triskele.

>>12912992
Yes. All the gods reap the world. Kellhus just found the greediest one and made a deal with him. Sorweel despaired at what he saw, and gave himself over to Yatwer. He became her chosen warrior. But since that little shit doesn’t have a soul of his own, he wasn’t affected by the goddess’s glamour.

That’s why the gods can’t see the consult or the sranc. They have no souls so they can’t be seen.

>>12913048
>not Dr Talos
moron

>>12913095
Jonas>Thalos

>>12910928
Hedwig, mouse, molly, and if anime counts, iggy

odd that there aren't nearly as many loyal cats. I blame cultural stereotypes

>>12912860
Kingdom Come Deliverence is the king of video game fantasy just like Masters of Rome is the king of literary fantasy.

>>12913096
Sexy Jolenta > everyone > gross Jolenta after having seen sexy Jolenta

>>12913116
Wise words

>>12913116
>literal melon sized breasts
>perfect skin
>lips as plump as fresh pastries
>waist just the right arm-wrappable size
>hips, thighs and butt of 'perfect ampleness'
>tiny ankles
Jolenta was the incarnation of a fertility goddess

>>12912516
Yeah the problem with fantasy is when you have read all the "big" names it becomes harder and harder to find anything that isn't crap. The big thing that burned me out was learning all the new kingdom, race, class, title names every book.

>>12912516
You have to read the ones with less than 500 ratings on goodreads

>>12912375
It'll probably end in humanity transcending against their will, like the end of echoproxia suggested.

>>12913116
Gay devil dad was better than anyone

>>12913498
Rorschach is looking to wipe out humanity, not transcend it. Unless mankind picks up the pace a bit before it burns itself to the ground or before Rorschach does it for them there doesn't seem like much hope.

>>12913638
That's not necessarily the case.

Theseus went to examine Rorschach, and Rorschach fought back out of self defense to keep control over the information about its systems. Blindsight was essentially a book about two extremely intelligent entities in a chess game (Rorschach Vs. Sarasti/The Captain), both trying to figure out how they other ticks. In the end, Theseus blows itself up both to impede Rorschach, as well as give it nothing to work off of in terms of info (a fact that Echoproxia brings up a debate on, which is did that even work?)

Portia is more than likely a behind the lines solution. One of the reasons theorized by Siri was that the Scramblers are encroaching due to an attack on their systems (from analyzing too much useless data born from humanities consciousness), they probably want to nullify the threat, but they aren't spiteful or genocidal.

I personally think the aliens are peaceful in a fucked up sort of way. They want allies, but in order for that to happen, they need to get rid of the problem of human awareness.

>>12913638
>>12913739
IIRC, at the end of Blindsight, Siri intimates that the Scramblers will deem humanity not worth fighting since Rorschach got blown the fuck up.

Portia is something else altogether, I think.

>>12913763
It's clear that Portia has marching orders to fuck up anything it can, just as an extra measure to weaken mankind before Rorschach arrives. It wasn't known that Portia would even be able to assemble herself before humans noticed and destroyed her but when you're an ultra-intelligent entity with insane amounts of resources at your control (like Rorschach) you might as well send an agent into the midst if you can. In this case the effort worked out and Portia is roaming around on Earth with a human host that she can make outwit vampires (though personally I thought Siri killing Valerie was a bit unbelievable even in the context of Portia rewiring him).

>>12913739
Interesting theory, but I think the whole 'Rorschach was actually the good guy all along' thing (even if subverted to the extent you suggest) is a bit of a banal twist.

>>12913763
It's not left clear, that's true.

In Blindsight, they had mentioned that the Scramblers biology was fundamentally different from ours in that instead of a bunch of smaller parts working towards the same whole, they were a bunch of smaller parts competing with one another, which in doing so make up a whole, like a bunch of competing cancers. In a weird way, it'd make them less xenophobic than humans, because it would mean they actually thrive on competition, and in order to improve from competition, you need healthy competition.

I think they're trying to elevate humanity so that they have a safe 'competitor' they can cut their teeth on. It's possibly foreshadowed with what Valerie says at the end of Echoproxia, which is, "I just wish we could all get along." Which while referring to the vampires, the humans, or the scramblers, could just be Watts trying to get the sentiment across. It's all just a really alien, really twisted diplomatic mission.

Peter Watts's stories are dark, but I don't think the ending will be dark in the sense that humanity will be destroyed. It just might get twisted into something unrecognizable if powerful. Does that make Rorschach good? If goodness is a question, no I don't think it does. I just don't think it's xenophobic.

>>12913800
>It's possibly foreshadowed with what Valerie says at the end of Echoproxia, which is, "I just wish we could all get along."

She was referring to other vampires. She never gave a shit about humans.

Valerie's entire plan was to rewire Portia into an agent that deprogrammed vampires' inherent anti-sociability, so they could finally form a society.

Was Jukka the ship's AI the whole time, or was it half-and-half?

>>12913800
Not sure I recall the scramblers being described like that, are you certain? Whereabouts in the book does it mention that?

As for the reference to the Valerie line at the end, I think she was talking to Portia, and by extension Rorschach since Portia is an emissary/proxy for her creator. Vampires in general are so far beyond baselines and even augmented humans like the Bicamerals that they're incredibly isolated. Couple that with the fact that vampires are hardwired to kill each other on site (but could they overcome this since Valerie was shown to be able to overcome the hardwired crucifix glitch?) then they have nothing even approaching an equal that they can interact with or feel the thrill of competing against. Portia/Rorschach represented something on their level which is why Valerie wanted to meet Portia in the first place and why she was talking to Portia through Bruks - vampires are notoriously tight lipped but she was practically having a gossip with Portia.

>>12913830
This is also a theory with good potential. Not my personal view but it fits with the text.

>>12913845
Implied that he was being controlled by The Captain the whole time. There's a line at the end when The Captain is making Sarasti type out stuff on a tablet and Siri asks "was it you the whole time?" and he responds with "pretty much"; paraphrasing obviously but I think it was more or less clear that Sarasti was almost nothing more than another type of computer that The Captain had at its disposal and had to rely on a lot since the quantum computer was disabled due to the noisy environment.

>>12913845
>that 3D porn-tier quality pic
blindsight.space has the best blindsight artwork/animations

>>12913830
I think it was a meta thing on Watts's part, to be clear. Which was him trying to introduce the idea that a peaceful galaxy is not necessarily the one that's any less dreary and horrifying than destruction by an alien race.

>>12913859
it's in the ending bibliography
>The curious nitpicker might be saying "Yeah, but without genes how do these guys evolve? How to they adapt to novel environments? How, as a species, do they cope with the unexpected?" And if Robert Cunningham were here today, he might say, "I'd swear half the immune system is actively targetting the other half. It's not just the immune system, either. Parts of the nervous system seem to be trying to, well, hack each other. I think they evolve intraorganismally, as insane as that sounds. The whole organism's at war with itself on the tissue level, it's got some kind of cellular Red Queen thing happening. Like setting up a colony of interacting tumors, and counting on fierce competition to keep any one of them from getting out of hand. Seems to serve the same role as sex and mutation does for us." And if you rolled your eyes at all that doubletalk, he might just blow smoke in your face and refer to one immunologist's interpretation of exactly those concepts, as exemplified in (of all things) The Matrix Revolutions93 . He might also point out that that the synaptic connections of your own brain are shaped by a similar kind of intraorganismal natural selection94, one catalysed by bits of parasitic DNA called retrotransposons.

I don't think they do it for the thrill, just their social systems mimic their biological systems. If at the base level, they survive by competing with themselves, then at the macro level, they will survive by competing with another system. It's not necessarily that they'd be at war with humanity constantly, it would probably look more like them exchanging information and possibilities, and then coming to a communal conclusion on how to proceed/develop. It'd be a sort of symbiotic relationship, although it might be more like those Spiders that keep frogs in their borrows to eat certain bugs, rather than something as romantic as two interstaller pals gabbing it up.

>>12913845
I think it's in a similar way. Jukka and the captain communicate and work in tandem, not unlike with what I described above. Although Jukka is also the convenient face for the captain, and I think also in place because of how intimidating he is, he's like the perfect overseer.

This might be a dumb question, but has Birdboi actually released any of his writing?

>>12914045
No and he never will.

>>12912574
This nigga gets it. There was WAY more variety and creativity in fantasy pre-Tolkien.

Read the 5th poor man's flight book

It's incredibly cheesy to have huge interstellar wars where every single major turning point involves the main character fighting people in close range but man is it way more fun than spaceship battles or full on army stuff.

I wish space opera/mil scifi but about infantry was a bigger genre than it is.

What are some good historical fiction? I finished the Masters of time series and im itching for more. Normal fantasy can't fill the void anymore bros

>>12914855
Masters of Rome*

>>12914870
I, Claudius

>>12911762
I liked the first two books a lot, if nothing else it's nice reading contemporary fantasy that focuses on the action and doesn't slow down too much in between.

Is the short story collection "Beyond the Aquila Rift" any good? Just dropped in a thread on /tv/ about the adaptation of one of its stories which is apparently pretty interesting.

>>12915031
Not read it but reynolds is a good writer

>>12914855
Have you read any Christian Cameron?

>>12914855
Warlord Chronicles by Bernard Cornwell

>>12914855
Dorothy Dunnet is good but her main character tends to be a bit of a Gary Stu.

Authors love protags with powerful magic and protags without magic are also fairly common but can anyone think of books where the protag has just weak/mediocre magic/powers?

Only one that comes to mind off the top of my head is spellslinger

>>12912673
But they all read our waifu Maas.

>>12915308
I never read her, but I do want to see her slampiggie body used.

>>12914045
all he's ever going to do is maps

>>12915320
I want to be the one to use that slampig body.

>>12915342
Thought she was petite

>>12915352
Fat Girl Angle Shots.

>>12913058
>But since that little shit doesn’t have a soul of his own, he wasn’t affected by the goddess’s glamour.
Ah, that makes a lot of sense. I was wondering how he saw through it.

PLEASE recc me some chinkshit or anything with an edgy main character dabbing on everyone. Im so desperate for something to read that im considering going back to martial god asura.

Alternatively recc me a spy novel. I really like night soldiers and the first half of A Single Spy but so much of the genre is incredible levels of hack and although I occaisonally enjoy Le Carre hes kind of dry. What are the best cold war spy books, ideally focusing on agents on the ground doing cloak and dagger shit?

>>12915561
Declare by Tim Powers.

Would also recommend the Wolfhound Century books by Peter Higgins, they're about this cop in fantasy Russia that's modernized to around the 1950s period who gets called to not-Moscow to hunt down a terrorist but he rapidly gets involved in much stranger things. It's got a strong strain of cold war paranoia/weirdness to it.

What are your favorite audiobooks, /sffg/?

Anyone here actually reads science fiction or is the SF in SFFG only for show?

>>12915273
Konosuba

>>12915928
Many of us have read SF but it's the same old books. No one is writing good sci-fi anymore so there's not much to discuss.

What's with all Watts spam in this thread? He's just another one of nu-scifi zomboids like Chiang and Bacigalupi, people who can't write characters, only concepts they pick up in scientific american backpages or whatever.

>>12915951
Not tryina bitch but what is so interesting about fantasy anyway.

>>12915964
Not tryina bitch but what is so interesting about sci-fi anyway.

threads seems to go faster than usual lately

>>12915982
The sci in it and the different dilemmas it presents.
I personally find it kinda boring how everything in fantasy is "I cast the magic that does everything for me / I hit the thing with my steel until the story is fixed / I have vigurous sex with the lady for my incels out there".

>>12915997
Not to mention the freaking descriptions of trees and rivers and how there's always elves and orcs in every god damn tale.

>>12915997
>>12916004
You are basically talking about one genre of fantasy - the classic Sword and Sorcery stuff. There's many many different types. Just like not every SF book is Hard Sci-Fi.

>>12911577
Boosting for interest

>>12916026
Perhaps you are right. After all, I'm ignorant to the strengths of the genre. Hence me asking.

>>12915561

>>12915997
>The sci in it
Ugh. You hardscifi fags are the worst.

>>12915992
Shitposters going all out.

>>12916067
>mfw hard scifi fanboys say they want more science in science fiction but they get scifi with social sciences instead

Banks was the last good sci-fi author but since he died ... meh.

>>12916067
>>12916122
There's a reason why almost no one reads hard sci-fi. Hard sci-fi fags literally murdered the popularity of science fiction books.

>>12916067
What else would I fucking seek in science fiction if not scientific shit? lol, laser guns, space jets and cucking my dad in a different timeline? you can't even defend fantasy you hypocrite faggot.

Just drop the sf and call it fantasy general.

>>12916159
>READING A COMPUTER MANUAL IS MUCH MORE ENTERTAINING
Beyond cringe lol

>>12916153
I don't know why space fantasy and space operas and such aren't more common, it's like people are too dumb to rip o- I mean get inspired cross-medium. Hundreds of Harry Potter and LOTR derivates but not many Star Wars ones even when it's a much bigger IP.

>>12916172
>but not many Star Wars ones
That's because Star Wars was ripping off the space opera that came before it.

>>12916180
And Tolkien was ripping off mythology, no one gives a shit what came first, I'm asking why there aren't similar things but in written form, you're not answering the question.

>>12916172
Star Wars is Dune + Flash Gordon, m8.

>>12916196
Space opera was very popular in the pulp era and a bit afterwards before the hard sci-fi incels murdered science fiction's popularity in general. That was my point about why there's not a ton of Star Wars rip offs: it's because space opera had already been run into the ground by the hard sci-fi geeks years before Star Wars was even made. It wasn't like how LOTR made epic fantasy the eventual dominant fantasy genre because nothing like LOTR had been made before then whereas there was LOTS of space opera before Star Wars. Not to mention Star Wars is a MOVIE franchise so of course it would have very little impact on the book side of science fiction.

>>12916232
Seems weird it wouldn't see a revival when the genre became mainstream in other mediums. I guess the demographics are just too different, only women and weebs read these days. And somehow only the worst weebshit made it into literature, why did it have to be isekai aids of all the other possibly decent things.

>>12915952
sci isnt about characters. If i wanted well fleshed out realistic characters id read tolstoy

blindsight/echopraxia redeem modern scifi. Bakker redeems modern fantasy. FACT

>>12916159
It's called scifi, science fiction, which is fictional science.
It's not called science factual. When you read scifi it's for the what ifs of science. Speculating on the future of technology, not current day tech, but with politics in space!!
Fucking kys I can't even enjoy scifi anymore because of fags like you and Stephenson.

>>12916268
>editor convinced Bakker to split TGO and TUC
>both wound up being 5/10s instead of a thick, hard 9/10

was some serious bullshit

>>12916213
It's even closer to the Lensman series.

>>12916256
>why did it have to be isekai aids of all the other possibly decent things.
The world is getting shittier. You have your degree and qualifications but have to work 2 low pay jobs to survive. People want to escape, reality isn't fun anymore.
When star wars first came out people could have 6 children and feed them, now you are single and struggling to feed your self. It's either blatant self insert fantasy, or suicide.

>>12916259
yeah no characters no good plotlines sorry bud

war and peace is masterfully plotted but characters drive it

>>12916275
i agree, they really should have been one book. Bakker is one of the only fantasy authors who seems to have any interesting ideas though so I guess ill have to put up with it.

>>12916286
>how can an old bitch look so virginal
>mommy I need you, it's been so long
>that's a penis.gif
>throb

>>12916282
I don't know if I'm too autistic for self-insertion or not autistic enough. I can't really imagine myself as a character someone else wrote, I'd rather read about interesting characters that have nothing to do with me than the same idealized boring faggot MC. Isekai especially might be the only genre I've hated every single fucking thing I've seen aside for one parodying it.

>>12916275
Theres an issue with bindings when you hit close to 1k pages. That said, overlook are still cheap jews.

It really is a 9/10 if you read them back to back.

>>12916290
I really enjoyed everything about the consult. Such fun villains.

>>12916059
i dont get it

>>12916268
>Bakker redeems modern fantasy. FACT
No. He's terrible.
>GUYS, WHAT IF I MADE LORD OF THE RINGS, BUT MADE IT SUUUUPER EDGY AND SUUUUUPER PRETENTIOUS NOT TO MENTION INCREDIBLY BORING!
I will commend him on making the Consult seem like the most evil "dark lords" in any epic fantasy series. Not-Mordor truly felt like a living hell on earth.

Is second apocalypse all grimdark all the time, everyone gets a bad end or was the ending more interesting than that?

>>12916358
Its called the second apocalypse for a reason, senpai. Although one character arguably has a good end.

>>12916367
the villain?

>>12916358
>all grimdark all the time, everyone gets a bad end
This is exactly what it is. The ending was literally, "INSTEAD OF THE GOOD GUYS WINNING, HOW ABOUT THE BAD GUYS WIN INSTEAD?" And then everyone clapped their hands at this amazing and totally unique subversion. I probably wouldn't be so hateful of the series if it wasn't so goddamn boring. I knew what I was getting into before I read it with all the rape monsters and the nihilism, but no one warned me how amazingly DULL huge swathes of the story would be. But to be fair it's not like Bakker is unique in that department when it comes to epic fantasy.

>>12916383
>he thinks Kellhus was a good guy.

>>12910760
can you kind fellows give me recs on science fiction lit that is very surreal?

>>12916393
I was going to put "good guys" in 20,000 quotation marks.

>>12916356
what makes it pretentious?

>>12916417
Bakker does a lot of pseudo-philosophical musings in the second book.

>>12916383
>but no one warned me how amazingly DULL huge swathes of the story would be
We told you it was good to be a slog of slogs. Not our fault you disregarded our advice and sister paid the price,.

>>12916376
No, it’s Akka. He gets his firstborn son born. The last living child born before the apocalypse. Also his cheating whore wife back, I guess.

>>12916367
I don't mean just the characters, remember some post here talking about how everyone in that setting is basically fucked no matter what and their souls are just food.

>>12916394
man in the high castle

>>12916449
Well if that’s the worst to you then aren’t the consult actually the good guys?

>>12916439
Didn't the whore get shanked?

>>12916424
and that a good thing! seriously i found the philisophical stuff comfy. Especially juxtaposed with the graphic rape and violence. [\spoiler]

>>12916465
How would I know, I didn't read it. Do they manage to accomplish anything other than spoil and destroy themselves and everyone else to stop being tasty food? That's the impression I got anyway.

>>12914773
>>12912574
Recommend me some pre-Tolkien Fantasy books.

>>12916394
Dhalgren and Perdido Street Station, or just Harlan Ellison in general.

>>12916487
Yes. They manage to preserve themselves beyond the reach of the gods.

>>12916558
The Bible except it's real.

>>12916558
The King of Elfland's Daughter
The Charwoman's Shadow
The Worm Ouroboros
Mistress of Mistresses
The Well At The World's End
Titus Groan
Phantastes
Lud-in-the-Mist
Jirel of Joiry

>>12916601
Did they have to be as edgy as humanly possible to achieve that?

>>12916654
>Jirel of Joiry
Was just gonna suggest this, a underappreciated story.

>>12916604
Ah yes that one religious book out of thousands just happens to be the right one because more sheep followed it then other religions mmmmmhhhhhmmmmmmmm yes real yes makes perfect sense

Just finished the Demolished Man. Fucking brilliant shit, Bester was so ahead of his time.

>>12916695
heretic detected
Get behind me Satan!

>>12916695
>tips

>>12910760
This cover always makes me laugh and seems very memeable. I haven't read any Piers Anthony myself, is it true his stuff is pervy at times?

>>12916296
I never self insert, but I do always get drawn to a types of characters, especially the late 20s early 30s self destructive man PKD always seems to write about.

>>12916695
17 year old atheist detected.

>>12915059
I'll probably order it, then. Anything else by Reynolds that you would recommend?

>>12916695
Don't forget that it wasn't written until 200 years after the Romans executed the millennial rabbi for trying to implement communism.

>>12910823

I see Mark Lawrence's name popping so much everywhere that I'm getting curious. Is he actually worth a read?

For reference, I don't like Martin, Sanderson, Rothfuss nor most contemporary RPG fueled mediaeval fantasy, but I won't deny something actually good.

>>12916774
>Is he actually worth a read?
No.

>>12916763
House of Suns and Chasm City are my favorites, Revelation Space and The Prefect are not as good but still fun.

>>12916774
No, he just shills himself on Reddit and such a lot

>>12912779

Is there any good self-published book that /sffg/ can recommend?

>>12916581
I need to read that. Delany really appealed to me with Driftglass.

>>12916786
Thanks, I'll put them on the list.

Tell me about this book /sffg/, is it worth a read?

>>12916765
They executed him for stirring rebellion and refusing to join in the Imperial Cult

>>12916800
Yes Lord Dunsany is great and he's been very influential.

>>12916800

Totally. It's one of the most beautifully written books I've ever read.

>>12916695
ahhh, tis a pleasure to see a fellow intellectual on a sub such as this!

>>12916774
No

>>12916806
that's what I said, boy.

>>12912004
I'm doing it for free mate, and unfortunately I do have to sleep.

>>12916695

>>12915172
>no mommy don’t hit me! the author
Nah

>>12911762
It's pretty good, easily Lawrence's best series yet. He has really improved.

>>12911577
I’m also curious about this.

>tfw I used the rebblit bingo to farm new books
>new one contains
>Slice of Life
>Self-Published SFF Novel
>Middle Grade SFF Novel
>LitRPG
Who the fuck even reads this bullshit?

>>12916558
Poetic Edda

>>12916963
>>no mommy don’t hit me! the author
>Nah
???

>>12916789
For starters, completely ignore the resident brainlet who is going to post his Amazon self published chart soon.

You can try
>Cradle
Highly popular chinkshit written by a western author

>Path of Flames
>Ember Blade
>Crimson Queen
epic fantasy

>Amra Thetys
Female thief

>Where Loyalties Lie
Pirate Fantasy

>Construct by Luke Matthews
Fantasy version of an AI gaining emotions and free will

>Into the Labyrinth
More chinkshit by a western author

>Beyond Redemption
New weird, highly original, hard to describe, go read it if you want something that's fresh and induces mindfuckery.

>Orconomics
Comedy, satirical take on a capitalistic fantasy society.

>Another Stupid Spell
More orc comedy

>Priest of Bones
Peaky Blinders in a fantasy setting. MC returns from a war to re-establish his gang and take control of his territories.

>Traitor God
MC returns to the city he fled from to fuck shit up after his best friend is murdered in cold blood.

>>12917281
>rebblit
Kys

>>12917381
/sffg/ doesn't read nearly enough to offer a remotely useful filter useful for collecting good books for a period longer than 7 months. This isn't just limited to /sffg/ as I walked into my local bookshop and had read 70% of the scifantasy shelves already.

>>12917281
>Middle Grade SFF Novel
What does that even mean? Children's and young adult books?

>>12917393
>Middle Grade. Middle grade is fiction aimed at children aged roughly between the ages of eight and twelve.
It's younger.

>>12916358
well the series as a whole hasn't ended yet
but the first trilogy has a pretty dark end and the second has a very dark and kinda weirdly abrupt end.

>>12916806
They executed him under the pressure of the pharisean jewish priests because those schmucksywere losing control over the population. Dont be daft.

>>12917281
r/fantasy is dead. The mods went full sjw. I mean last month they banned a well known author because someone falsely accused him of sexual harassment on facebook.
The sub has doubled in subscribers (270k to 540k) but the last bingo had only 40 more participants than the year before.
It's another reading site aimed at young woke women now.

>talking about rebbit
disgusting, who cares about that place

Dead thread.

>>12917507
it's not even an hour between posts

why do we suddenly get so many dumbfucks in the last few threads? go back to where you belong, we don't want you here

>>12917514
>posting this while redditspacing
Epik summer newfaggotry.

>>12916720
Conanfags will love that book, based on the guy on the cover.

>>12917521
>obviously giving a space for different section of reply
>wah wah redditspacing

>>12917542
>facebook url
Why don't you take your own advice and go back to where you came from?

>>12917537
>Conanfags will love that book, based on the guy on the cover.

>>12916774
If you want contemporary fantasy look at >>12916059
It has my 3.5 - 4stars and one 5 star book.

>>12917544
>url
thats a filename dumbass
and this is facebook url

>>12917544
>>12917557
>>12917544
>>12917542
>>12917521
morons stop shitting the thread

>>12917557
Unbased. Just let 4chan-x detect them.

>>12916698
TSOD is also a good read by him, sci-fi Count of Monte Cristo

>>12917569
i am phoneposting

>>12916789
Check my chart.

>>12917380
>For starters, completely ignore the resident brainlet who is going to post his Amazon self published chart soon.
Well seeing as I was the only one rallying behind and pushing self published books in this general for years, when you and others called it shit.
I don't see how I'm a brainlet when I read more than you.

>You can try
>>Cradle
Yes

>>Path of Flames
>>Ember Blade
>>Crimson Queen
Never read any of these, but if you are suggesting
chris wooding, you must have shit taste. Doesn't help path of flames looks like some lotr elric moorecock witcher combination.

>>Orconomics
Was kinda funny but had too much table top shit in it. If you're one of those table top dungeon master cunts you will love it.

>>Another Stupid Spell
The author kept finding more ways so the orc could be stupid. Doesn't help that you don't know if the catgirl is a tranny or not, seeing as they can hide their junk inside their body.

>>Priest of Bones
oh its you. That anon from a few months ago that was shilling this shit.

>>12917594
Very unbased

>>12916888
>I'm doing it for free
Not even hotpockets?

>>12917412
Well we will keep the rape criers out of lit.

>>12917617
>he doesn't go out

>>12917639
>going out and being social, yet still locking yourself in at 4chan
Addicted tbqh

>>12917557
You missed out on a very comfy feature that identifies newfigs and also locates artwork

>>12917544
>he doesn't use facebook
unlike you i have a lot of friends on facebook hahahahaha

>>12917647
i get bored outside too

>>12917658
i dont phonepost all the time, i've been using it for years

>>12917697
>people on failbook are actually your friend
Can you ask them to come by your house and help you move a couch? Or to drop you somewhere out of town? I didn't think so.

You thoughtless are what's bringing down humanity. Not because a bunch of people like your post, or are friends with you means that they, on a personal face to face basis like, and are friendly towards you. You cunts need to be purged, your false socializing ways are bringing down the fabric of society.

>>12917713
>>12917562
>phonefag is also plastic korea pop anon
Makes sense....

>replying to obvious bait
STOP SHITTING THE THREAD

>>12917713
>someone facefucks her at night and she comes out and waves to her fans and pretends to be pure and virginal at day
Yall are cucks.

>>12917727
My hammer is bigger.

>>12917722
hey they are cute dont be like that

>>12917733
fuck you too this one is a devoted christian qt

>>12917739

>>12917727
Then we should instead talk about my waifu the gentleman with thistle-down hair anon-sama

>>12917744
You mean her managers have her pretend to be a Christian, while he fucks her doggie style and tells her to oink.
These women are modern days slaves, and with the honor and shame system shit they got going on in Asia, they are quite easy to bully into your bed.

>>12917786
no she was a christian before this and she still is
and nothing will convince me of that deluded sex fantasy of yours

>>12917803
Why are you kfags so deluded? I'm done with you. It's guys like you who believe everything a girl tells them. She is a virgin anon, never even seen a penis. Your waifu is pure.

>>12916059
All those books are shit. Who reads this trash anyways?

>>12917833
And what do you recommend?

>>12917521
White line as a way to separate paragraphs has been a thing longer than you have been alive. (I know that at least the early e-books used it, wouldn't surprise me if it's older.) Read the rules, underb&.

>>12917833
>>12917902
The Johannes Cabal, Jonathan Strange and Lord of Light book are worth reading. Fevre Dream and All Systems Red are good. 1984 is a walking spoiler but it's also enjoyable.

The ones to avoid are the Time Machine (just read the Invisible Man instead), Tevis -- his nebula nominated Mockingbird makes fucking YA look good which might indicate how shite that one is, the Mount Char one I dropped. Fforde writes great but I disliked Thursday Next from the plotlessness of it and the nursery book looks similar. Ian Tregillis I read his Alchemy Wars series and it simultaneously managed to be a GOAT and SHITE series at the same time (I guess more GOAT than shite though) but urban fantasy doesn't look like a promising genre. I avoid self published stuff, however.

But if you are looking for edgy main characters dabbing on everyone, no one is going to be doing any dabbing or anything edgy. Cabal's the closest, but he's not so much as edgy as he is an autist who likes science and necromancy more than people.

>>12917616
>Check my chart filled with litrpg and harem trash
No thanks, I'd rather gouge my eyes out before reading that filth.

>>12917930
Wonder why litRPG is so fucking popular nowadays.

>>12916888
>doing something for free is an excuse for doing a bad job
Millennial work ethic, everyone.

>>12917930
Then kys. I bet you're a cunny with a juicy camel toe that needs stuffing.

>>12917902
Masters of Rome
>>12917927
Stop pretending to be me, pseud.

any decent survival in space that is a series?

>>12917945
>powerfantasy wishfulfillment aimed at men in an age where men are disparaged for being men
gee i wonder why they could be popular

I just finished the Elric series, overall it’s easily a solid 9/10 when it’s not a crossover story with Moorcock’s other Eternal champions.
Should I read through the Del Rey Conan Series next, or should I reread Dune in anticipation of the new covers for the sequels in June?
I’m definitely leaning towards Conan, but I’m open to any suggestions that anons may have.

Any good books with good dragons that are a main focus of the work?

>The North are Scots
>Wildlings are Highlanders
>The Vale are Cambro-Normans
>The Mountain Clans are a rather unflattering take on the welsh
>Andals are the Norman/English
>Dorne is sexy Cornwall
>instead of Ireland we get generic fantasy vikings
Fucking state

>>12918159
>that moment when you realise all of the main characters in GoT are filthy tyrants and lose all ability to empathise with them
And so I stopped reading.

>>12916800
I thought it was kinda aggravating to read cause I'm not much into slow dreamy books, but even I was struck at least once by it's emotive power.

>>12918179
>not reading for based Jaime

>>12918179
>Davis blocks your path I’m the name of the rightful king

>>12917412
>r/fantasy is shit now let us go to /lit/ and /sffg/ and fuck those up too

>>12918135
Blue mage raised by dragons.

>>12918179
>that moment when you realize you've been reading a War of the Roses fanfic the whole time
DROPPED

>>12918516
We can call them faggots and get THEM banned here though.

>>12918535
We just had some redditor post his retarded bingo shit here.

Assassins are the biggest red flag in Fantasy

>>12918555
Fuck. I guess I need to rework my current draft of The Assassin's Assassin.

anything with a main theme exploring a new planet?

>>12918533
I think everyone that says this has no idea what the fuck the war of the Roses was or what happened in it and also probably has a mother who is also an aunt.

developing a theory that all good military scifi is written by authors who have never been in the military

>>12915997
>Reading scfi for the SCIENCE
wew lad

Novel Idea.
It's a post catastrophe book. Something killed off all the women in a month period.
Scientists are using the frozen ovas and artificial wombs to try and breed females again. Nothing is wasted if failed, stem cells are collected, budding ovaries are snatched. If grown to term eggs are harvested. All while racing against the clock because humanity is on a timer.
Some people try to better neural uploads to work towards a goal even if humanity (males) die before their work is completed.

While all of this is happening, passable trannies are made into sex objects. They are made loose by the amounts of erect attentions shown them. A lot of trannies were outted when they didn't die like all other female looking humans out there. Even tranny dykes were outted when "males" dropped dead and it was shown they have vaginas and wombs (those were harvested of course).
Trannies became a currency because men wanted sex, but didn't want to have sex with someone who looked like a guy.
Humanity is slowly going down a road of degeneracy while the beings that caused all of this looks on in fascination.

What you think? I know someone is already going to steal it as soon as I hit post.

>>12918545
And he was called a faggot. Did you see anymore posts by him? If you do just let the mods know we are being spammed.

>>12918600
Plenty.

>>12918793
Lad the sissification erotic literature IRC channel I run has got like five different people writing the exact same story right now.

>>12916290
>how can an old bitch look so virginal
>mommy I need you, it's been so long
Those are my fetishes,i'm gonna start reading his books

>>12918793

>>12910760
i want a book about mermaids.
any recommendations?

>>12916800
>It's the greatest fantasy writer worth a read?
Gee i dunno,anon

>>12918114
>or should I reread Dune in anticipation of the new covers for the sequels in June?
Just play the porn game.it's way better and you can see Jessica getting punded

>>12918586
Fuck, you ripped off my "The Assassination of the Assassin", didn't you?!? You're not Nora Roberts by any chance, are ya?

Any Royal Road users here?
You recommended Royal Road to me, now I bring you my Webnovel. I decided to write stuff down instead of just dreaming it up and after weeks of working, I'm more than 40 chapters deep, 11 of which are published so far.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/24290/tatzelwyrm

>>12918984
kys shill

>>12918984
subscribed.

>>12917281
self pub really isn't that rare now, tonnes of shit finds a publisher now via self-pub success
senlin ascends for instance was self-pub first

>>12918847
Into the Drowning Deep

>>12918847
The shadow over Innsmouth

>>12915928
It's mostly for show. A certain percentage of fantasy fans are utter retards who have an irrational hatred for Sci-Fi. They won't allow any discussion of it at all without shitting themselves. Your post is a perfect example. Follow the reply chain for like 3 posts, and there's a guy raging about how Sci-Fi is "like reading a computer manual". They clearly hate us. What moron would create a join general between two genres which have almost entirely divided fanbases? I don't think I've ever met somebody who's both an avid Sci-Fi fan, and an avid fantasy fan. I'm not sure they even exist. Perhaps the occasional Sci-Fi/Fantasy thread could be interesting. We could have a little discussion about what we like about our respected genres, and perhaps build a few bridges along the way. But this general, this general is a horrid idea. This general achieves nothing but killing Sci-Fi discussion on /lit/. It's so effective in this position, that I don't think it would be a stretch to accuse it of being intentional. It'd be like making an Anarchism/Communism thread. They aren't going to get along. The larger population is going to squash the smaller one, and then you'll be left with one group having sole ownership over something that's meant to be collaborative. This thread is not a Sci-Fi general, and because of that, there is no Sci-Fi general. It’s sad, because sometimes I finish a Sci-Fi novel, and I’d really like to discuss it. Unfortunately, because this general is so highly populated with fantasy content, it usually hits the bump limit before a good discussion can begin. This thread's getting pretty close to being dead now, and I see one successful Sci-Fi discussions in this thread. There's another guy trying to start a discussion, asking about exploring new planets, but the thread will probably be dead by the time he gets a reply.

>>12916153
Popularity does not equal quality. Consider the intelligence of mainstream audiences, and then reconsider bragging about how popular your genre is with those mainstream audiences. Remember that Harry Potter, Fifty Shades of Grey, and Twilight, are some of the most popular pieces of literature ever written. Literature, even genre fiction, is supposed to be an art form. A story should come from the heart, it shouldn't be manufactured to rake in cash. If you think a genre is good purely because it pulls in a lot of money for the publishers, I think you've nullified your own opinion.

>>12916232
Star Wars is essentially fantasy set in space, with wizards and all. Perhaps that’s why you think more Sci-Fi should be like Star Wars. If I were to write a fantasy book, I’d probably just end up using magic as an analogy for technology, and I would have essentially written a Sci-Fi novel that just so happens to be set in a fantasy universe. You probably wouldn’t like it if a load of Sci-Fi fans started hailing my novel as being the peak of fantasy, when they’ve barely read any fantasy at all. Also, because you seem to be incapable of going two sentences without screeching insults, I think you should kill yourself. Go find something tall, and take the quickest way to the bottom, you nut sucking cunt face.

>>12916271
There's plenty of technology based Sci-Fi to read, Anon. Hell, if you tell us what you’ve read, we might even be able to recommend you something.

>>12916122
Based and NewWavepilled

>>12919279
I read loads of both, though I prefer SciFi.
Every time we've tried a split SF just dies, not enough people wanna talk.

>>12919286
Star Wars is actually a very "70s" kind of sci fi, heavily inspired/influenced by the drug addled new age shit and neomysticism of the time that was popular with writers. The thing, however, is that Lucas had actually competenct people around that turn it in an actually enjoyable story rather than the acid enhanced nonsense that was being shat out during the era.

Does it have any harem or litrpg bullshit in it? If not I might give it a try.

>>12919286
this sort of venting is therapeutic, anon. good to see you out there expressing yourself.

THREADSLAVE

>>12919415
We're on page 1
Let the poor bastard rest

>>12919415
If you yell one more time while the thread is still on the first page I will find and kill you faggit, I'm not even joking.

>>12919418
>>12919418
>>12919418
>>12919418
>>12919418
>>12919418

>>12919344
I'd still rather have a sparsely successful Sci-Fi general than artificially bolt it onto another thread in order to keep it alive. /g/ did the same thing, combining /cyb/ (for cyberpunk) and /sec/ (for cyber security). The result was the level of quality cyber security discussion plummeting, as the /cyb/ general was much larger. I don't think people are encouraged to write in-depth posts about their favourite topic, when 85% of the thread is people discussing something they have no interest in. I’m certainly not. I dropped /sec/ pretty much immediately, and while I still come here occasionally, I find it very hard to engage in /sffg/ as well.

>>12919398
I heard that George had outright admitted to being "inspired" by Dune, and Flash Gordon. I've never heard any other inspirations cited, although there is that WW2 film which has very similar cinematography.

>>12919408
This is what you write when you dislike a post, but you’re entirely incapable of providing valid criticism for it, so you try to spin the writer’s passion into being a negative. Come back when you actually have something to say.

>>12919279
I don't think I've ever met a fantasy fan that didn't read sci-fi, or vice versa.
Just post about books you've read. It's not like people talking about fantasy books get a lot of (you)s unless they're talking about something very popular anyway.