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>>12907283
Politics is a game to keep dumb people talking about things that don't matter.

>>12907283
>i just don't want to be angry all the time and blame others for my problems
but it's so much fun!

>>12907768
but what does matter?

Don't read philosophy which is related to politics

>>12907795
You wouldn't care much about politics when you get deeper into philosophy , if you do it the right way.

>>12907814
Whats the right way if i may ask.

>>12907801
then who to stay away from?

>>12907801
Bullshit, that's the only philosophy that matters.
Philosophy can NEVER truly comprehend nature which is the work of God, only the works of man, which is the State.

>>12907283
No. The only philosophy worth reading is political. The rest is just intellectual puzzles for people with too much time on their hands

>>12907847
Just stick to topics like metaphysics and other stuff as far away as possible from everyday life

>>12907842
Read Plato, Plotinus, Proclus, iamblachus, corpus hermeticum, Euclid etc, Hindu/Buddhist philosophy.

Don't bother with christcucks. If you must read moderns, then read Kant, Schelling, Fichte, Schopenhauer, Husserl, heidegger

>>12907896
retard

>>12907903
Christcuck detected.

>>12907896
So this life is bad?

>>12907896

>you won't form a political opinion if you read philosophy the right way
>read Plato

anon...

>>12907283
>blame others for my problems
But that's a political position. You choose to ignore the fact that you don't live in a vacuum and that whatever it is you're experiencing is in no way related to events in your state or the world at large. If you don't want to have this view challenged then you can't expect to get much from reading philosophy.

>>12907930
What political opinion will he form?

>>12907283
zizek

>>12907283
reading philosophy won't make you angry and blame others for your problems, drinking and doing drugs does that. reading philosophy will help you better recognize that most people are attached to the hip to some vice or another, drugs, drink, 'medication,' and guide you towards your goals without being distracted by every desperate person surrounding you in your life

>>12907924
It don't really real.

>>12907283
Totally. Phil of math, metaphysics, and epistemology all have political consequences, but none of them would wind up drastically changing what you already believe about politics.

>>12907961

The state is meant to ensure justice

If you don't form a political opinion you will be nothing but a passive receptacle for the wills of other men.

>>12907283
>i just don't want to be angry all the time and blame others for my problems

Anon, the world is not such a kind place. I hope you survive for another year.

>>12907980
I'm a centrist.

>>12907283
its almost impossible to be objective but if you read a variety of perspectives by different authors n stuff it should help

>>12908597
that's why politics is annoying. You know you'll never have the objective truth so it's not even worth getting into

>>12907283
No. Read Epicurus.

>>12907283
I stopped caring about politics after reading philosophy

>>12908743
But even that is a political stance.

>>12908072
In the realm of politics, centrism means little to nothing.

>>12907896
>Hindu budist good
>Christian bad

>>12908753
>But even that is a political stance.
nigga what?

>>12908780
Compliance with the status quo is a political stance. You can’t back out of it.

>>12908800
Being apolitical doesn't mean you're compliant to the status quo. I just don't want to blame others for my problems and be angry at certain politicians all the time.

>>12908753
Well you could say everything is political. But then it's impossible to be unpolitical, and the question does reading philosophy make you form a political stance a useless question, as you can't be not political.
>>12908800
I don't care about status quo either. Governments come and go, either by elections or sometimes by revolutions or invasions. I just have come to appreciate arts and traditional values.

>>12907283
>i just don't want to be angry all the time and blame others for my problems
Sounds like a job for stoicism

>>12907969
Set theory is the most autistic shit god damn

>>12908830
It absolutely does. Having a political opinion doesn’t mean you blame this or that, it isn’t necessarily an action at all.

>>12907283
>I just don't want to be angry all the time and blame others for my problems

then get into political philosophy

>>12908894
>Having a political opinion doesn’t mean you blame this or that
Name me one position (maybe besides centrism) that doesn't have some sort of bogeymen or some entity to place blame on.

Libertarian Right: Government, Communists
Libertarian Left: Capitalism, Government
Authoritarian Right: Jews, Immigrants, Communists
Authoritarian Left: Capitalism, America

>>12907896
terrible taste
>>12908907
>maybe besides centrism
centrism also has a bogeyman, and his name is extremism

>>12908891
set theory is the basis for almost all of modern mathematics

>>12908907
The “apolitical” compliant live in a cushy world of ____ and leave the fuss to their leaders. That’s all I mean

>>12908907
Post'em

>>12908930
Would you call an Orthodox Christian philosopher living in Russia under the USSR a communist philosopher?

>>12908753
>if you don’t stand for something, you stand for nothing
Butterfly.... say it isn’t so. Say you’re trolling right now :3

>>12908930
How is being apolitical being compliant with the status quo?

>>12908945
I wouldn’t.

>>12908970
If you don’t want to stand for something, you stand with whatever it currently is.
Disagree? Well now you’re starting to form an opinion
L8r

>>12907847
Just read analytics who are not engaged in value theory and you're good to go.

>>12909010
Do you mean analytic philosophy?

>>12909000
So if I don't agree or disagree with X that's means I stand with X?

>>12909017
you're missing her point; if you don't agree or disagree with X then you stand with not agreeing or disagreeing with X. it's pretty simple

>>12909024
>her
lmao
>if you don't agree or disagree with X then you stand with not agreeing or disagreeing with X.
So you're saying that I think no one is allowed to agree or disagree on X just because I don't have an opinion on X?

>>12909024
That makes no sense
>>12909000
Butterfly let me give an analogy. Analogies, like Plato’s cave, help us see reality for what it really is.

Two people, say A and B, are involved in shit flinging. A stands for your rights, while B does not. Do you really support A, or do you decline to consider the issue because of how low it is? Wouldn’t you look at the predicament with disdain and rather ask why they are flinging shit, as opposed to siding with A no matter the circumstance? Isn’t that a more rational position?

>>12909041
Reminder, I am :3.

>>12909013
Good joke.

>>12909055
Then what do you mean by analytic?

The butterfly shit ruined another thread

>>12909037
see >>12909041
>>12909041
>That makes no sense
I am aware, but it seems to be what she's getting at here

>>12909041
if you are seeing it as people flinging shit, it's because you have never witnessed a proper political discussion

>>12907283
The world does not have to be viewed through the lense of politics. Politics is a little game among the millions of other little games we can decide to play.

For the people who play this game it is in their best interest to make sure that others believe their game is serious. It is good strategy on their part to convince you that their game is important and that you should be playing it.

But you dont have to.

Am I missing something here? Isn't the tranny just saying it doesn't matter what your opinion is, because as an apolitical you are most likely compliant with your actions? You either attempt to change it or not. And if not, you are compliant no matter your conceptions.

>>12908735
>Epiclueless
Yawn

>>12909078
These days? No, it’s just pointless meandering around pre-chosen sides.

No real genuine discussion :3

>>12909099
who knows what the tranny butterfag means

>>12909056
By non-value theory stuff like Kripke, Lewis, Wright, Strawson, Nagel, so forth.

By value theory stuff like Rawls, Cohen, Korsgaard, Foot, Anscombe and so on.

>>12909122
>genuine discussion
>in politics

also, I didn't want to say it, but it seemed that with "discussion" you meant youtube comments

>>12908753
You can label people all you want. The label is in your head, not theirs. If you don't play a game you can't be considered a player.

>>12909137
Kripke sounds based
>On how his religious views influenced his philosophical views, he has said: "I don't have the prejudices many have today. I don't believe in a naturalist worldview. I don't base my thinking on prejudices or a worldview and do not believe in materialism."

>>12909080
you know what, thank you anon, this post just made me realize how little I actually care about politics and how much I interact with it only because of course I'm supposed to have an opinion about orange man of some kind. I'll try to disconnect myself from it from now on

>>12909139
No, if you talk to anyone about politics you will hear the same things uttered by other individuals. Which is absolutely frightening.

>>12909352
yes, including your words

>>12907768
Being apolitical is a meme pulled by the neoliberal establisment. Have fun licking up cyber Hillary's fecal matter in the trans humanist dystopian future that awaits us.

I just believe in what I believe regardless of its political connotations.

I don't try to answer 'political' questions by referring to the opinions of others, generally speaking. I don't label myself or my ideas.

In all honestly surface-level left v. right politics is an utter farce, unequivocally. The answers to most of the 'questions' are not simply black or white statements, but an amalgamation of ideas from both sides that we are supposed to be coalescing into action, not endless divisive debate.

To OP, I tell you to read philosophy with the idea that you are going to go with what YOU think is right, regardless of what others say. You are learning so that you can grow your own viewpoint, NOT so you can subscribe to someone else's.

>>12909425
>Being apolitical is what [insert buzzword/bogeyman here] want to to be instead of actually adopting the views

>>12908760
That actually is the case though

>>12907283
Politics aren't philosophy. Essentially >>12907768

>>12909425
Muh politics is a meme pulled by the neoliberal establishment. Have fun not knowing what the fuck is actually happening, and being trained to be autistically obsessed with some minor social issue or word usage for validation as the real world churns on. I hope one of two things happens: our technology kicks out all of you retards and shows you even just a pinch of how things actually work, or this piece of shit system collapses and we can go back to natural societies.

>>12907283


IM GETTING RAPED IN BROAD DAYLIGHT SOMEONE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD HELP ME

>>12909529
This right here! 100%. Bravo, anon.

>>12909017
If you see authorities from X chasing after insurgent Y and they ask you which way Y went, you have to choose.
>>12909057
>>12909064
Hurts your head, does it?

>>12909103
>Gets everything right
>Called clueless
HA. Shit bait.
>>12909153
>The NPC credo
>Single fake tear