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Well his "ideology" is standard academic. You are probably incorrect. All he can be accused of is taking advantage of people making him political.

>>12909036
>those that try to portray the devotees of right-wing ideologies as being mentally unwell
Well, Right-Wing ideologues ARE generally either shameless rich people, mentally ill, or just senile.

yawn

>>12909036
who wrote this? they can't write.

>>12909036
God I hate this kind of McChristianity

>>12909052
have gender

>>12909049
>Well his "ideology" is standard academic.
wait you think that new age jungian obscurantism is the academic standard for understanding mental health? where did you study, esalen?

>>12909113
>some hysterical leftist who has spent literally hundreds of hours reading involuted nonsense by some french pedophiles accusing the penis washer of being an obscurantist
oh man

>>12909036
>at no point did it occur to him that his reading public were so fucked in the head that they needed self-help books

to be fair pretty much everyone is fucked in the head in modern industrialized countries. moreso the people that post on this insert Asian nationality insert randum xD activity message board

>>12909036
>people I don’t like shouldn’t be allowed to get better
It saddens me how unempathetic others can be.

>>12909126
continental "philosophers" don't hold much sway in psychiatric studies.
R D Laing became redundant a long time ago

>>12909126
>This person disagrees with my idea that standard academic ideology is neoconservative jungian babble. They must be completely hysterical and out of their minds to disagree with this.
Delete yourself ok buddy?

>>12909140
you misunderstand. I deplore JBP because he indirectly construes young adherents of conservative/right-wing ideology as being mentally unwell......a narrative that the left has pushed for decades

>>12909036
does he adopt him?

>>12909243
nah.theygot him sectioned and carried on with the spectacle

>>12909196
I have never listened to a word of juden peterstein nor do I care. I have however read some of the texts beloved by our resident staunch opposition to him, and for that sort of person to call JBP an "obscurantist" is ridiculous to the point of absurd. You cannot accuse someone of being an "obscurantist who preys on literally teenagers" and turn around and suck off Derrida. I mean, you can, but yikes.

>>12909126
so is the solipsistic new age procedure of "taking a swim in lake you" to fix your spiritual alignment relative to the coordinates of some neopagan mythology the standard academic approach to mental health or is it not? i didn't quite get this from your reply, almost as if you wanted to obscure the issue being discussed with a generic rant about french postmodernism, a completely unrelated issue. i wonder who taught you to think like this?

>>12909243
Update below the video says he was off his bipolar meds, but the goy is back on the meds so all is well.

>>12909305
>clearly understood the post and that he was the subject of ridicule
>HAHA I'M BEING INSUFFERABLE WHAT NOW
cringe

>>12909300
so your posts are all addressed to a cast of imaginary characters that inhabit your head (the hypocritical derrida fan and so on) and your directing them at actual people in actual threads is purely accidental? thanks for taking the time to explain.

>>12909300
Why couldn't you my anti-semetic friendo? There is a difference between using specified terminology and metaphors to achieve an effect/convey a specific idea and using vague language to hide that you have nothing to say/suffer from a manic/psychotic disorder as the good doctor Peterson does.

>>12909396
Also this: >>12909392
Nowhere did he even say he likes or even read Derrida?

He indirectly reinforces the leftist idea that rightwingers are imbalanced or dysfunctional.

I've never really thought about it that way before. My leftist acquaintances are always explaining away my beliefs as mental fault (you dislike women because you are a virgin etc). There is a pattern here. fuck

>>12909389
yes, you have really ridiculed me by imagining that i love derrida. i am extremely ashamed, in your imagination.

>>12909036
I don’t understand the perception of Peterson as a right-wing figure. Usually I think of the “right-wing” description (in Anglophone parlance) when not applied to actual politicians as reserved for racists, nationalists, or hawks. Jordan strikes me as a moderately culturally conservative normal liberal democrat. His sycophantic behaviour with retards like Stefan Molyneux and his happiness to get his dick sucked by American conservative media publications are the primary kinks in his proverbial political chain.

And his opponents believe trannies are sane

>>12909442
>I don’t understand the perception of Peterson as a right-wing figure.
Well then you're pretty retarded

>>12909435
>I took personal offense but you totally didn't offend me personally
okay retard. I'm sure I was owned, in your imagination.

>>12909451
>gender dysphoria is fake because it makes me uncomfortable!

whatever you say, lobster boy

>>12909036
Like it or not, he's actually mainstream famous now. Sells out arenas across the globe. He's bound to attract some obsessed fans just like any celebrity.

>>12909428
>you dislike women because you are a virgin etc)
If you have a lay count in the double digits then they'll you you dislike women because you attract the wrong kind. You can never win with these ad hominems.

>>12909463
Based and lgbtq+ rights matterpilled.

>>12909453
I understand it, in the way you can sort of understand the thought process of a sch*zo r*tard

>>12909463
Nobody disagrees that there are some mentally diseased individuals running around, but a bunch of failed literal incels who exploit the .00001% of the population with actual genetic diseases who are usually mentally retarded, are in fact piece of shit incel neckbeards.

>>12909442
I think with young americans left wing means "sjw's" and right wing means anti "sjw's". whereas, traditionally (19th century) left and right wing beliefs could be differentiated by understandings about human nature. Latterly the difference between left and right could be defined as being different ideas about the economy and the role of the state.
As someone who is right-wing there's a worrying trend of people from the right embracing the idea that right-wing is about being ethically compromised.... so being concerned about man's impact on the environment becomes an exclusively left-wing thing and being ignorant of these matters is right-wing

>>12909463
Nah, gender dysphoria is a real mental illness, and those people we used to call "insane." I don't understand how we got so far in this clown world that the phrase "I feel like a woman trapped in a man's body" doesn't even raise eyebrows anymore, like something like that just happens to people.

>>12909500
Ad hominem is probably the worst and most misused word to come into chud vocabulary in recent years, when will you dumb dumbs actually learn that we aren't invalidating your arguments by calling you retarded but saying that you are a retard BECAUSE all of your arguments are invalid garbo?

>>12909514
Whatever dude. Keep your pet peeves to yourself. "You dislike x because [personal failing]" is ad hominem and that is what Anon was talking about. Now go kill yourself

>>12909509
The fucking sjws ruined what it meant to be on the left politically

>>12909513
Yfw some dude just cracked a female MMA fighters skull open and in 10 years there won't be any actual women who hold sporting records but progressives use "TERF" as an insult

>>12909463
I didn’t say gender dysphoria was fake
I said the people who have it are insane
Just like schizos and manic/depressives and borderlines

>>12909509
>As someone who is right-wing there's a worrying trend of people from the right embracing the idea that right-wing is about being ethically compromised.... so being concerned about man's impact on the environment becomes an exclusively left-wing thing and being ignorant of these matters is right-wing
There’s an odd dissonance on the right between sanctimoniousness and amoralism, between principle and expedience. I mean, it exists in left-wing politics as well, it’s universal—but I think there is a more prominent tension between competing ideas of what “the right” is, and whether it is synonymous with being morally steadfast or with being morally flexible. Left and Right are giant bloated categories which contain more diversity within themselves than between them both, but identification with one or the other is important to people for some reason, and naturally leads to all sorts of strange contradictions and self-fulfilling prophecies.

>>12909574
>>12909507

>Identifying as the opposite sex due to miswired biology is the same as schizophrenia

lol no

no. you let the right define what "left wing" means and threw away your materialist/economic deterministic foundations. The right dominated your narrative to such an extent that it began to reproduce itself within your own ranks. Marx explicitly said that splintering into feminism, nationalism, racial liberation ideologies will dilute the effect of left-wing intellectuals and activists. its about CLASS

>>12909593
>reddit spacing
yeah it is. Except unlike schizophrenia nobody close to you is very sympathetic and even randoms in public who know nothing about your interior life wish you would just drop dead.

>>12909611
uh sure

>>12909593
Schizophrenia is miswired biology as well

>>12909640
kek imagine having to go through life as a tranny. You maybe had one dog ugly gf in highschool, you're a loser. You watch too much porn, you can't fit into society. One day, you decide to become empowered in your deeply ingrained fetish, except instead of getting a paw print tattoo and fucking dogs on camera, you decide to start taking HRT. Each day when you go out, everyone is unnerved by you. Your family and old acquaintances are visibly disturbed by you. Every venture into public comes with the undeniable knowlege that even the nicest person you encounter, when you see their eyes, clearly wished you did not exist. Each night and day you have to pretend those closest to you didn't wish you had just blown your brains out however long ago, and yet they do, and they always will.

>>12909708
And plenty of schizos are able to integrate into society after proper care

>>12909741
>Each day when you go out, everyone is unnerved by you. Your family and old acquaintances are visibly disturbed by you. Every venture into public comes with the undeniable knowlege that even the nicest person you encounter, when you see their eyes, clearly wished you did not exist. Each night and day you have to pretend those closest to you didn't wish you had just blown your brains out however long ago, and yet they do, and they always will.
same for a lot of people

>>12909777
It’s a shame about trannies

>>12909809
you hate trannies and let them live in your head rent free, curious.

>>12909808
Maybe in their minds, but that's just the anxiety. It isn't real. Trannies know that it is, because it is.

>>12909826
That isn't how this meme works. You would have to go to the absolute top of the reply chain, and if the first poster brought up trannies out of nowhere for no reason, then you reply
>rent free
dumb no u poster

>>12909052
t. incel

>>12909850
u ok?

>>12909180
>insinuating that continental philosophers aren't the height of human intellectual potential
big yikes

>>12909858
why are you so mad?

>>12909036
Jordan Peterson panders to neckbeards and schizos. Literally anyone with common sense and and actual human experience thinks he's completely full of shit.

>>12909435
>I don't love Derrida but I'm going to parrot the beliefs of his movement anyway

>>12909862
what why are you?

His idea is simple: the best way to make society as a whole better is to make each individual a better person. I would tell you to correct me if I'm wrong but this is basically what he has said. Left and right has nothing to do with it.

>>12909864
>hello fellow neurotypicals

>>12909873
the problem is his idea of a better man is absoultly toxic

>>12909873
Right and he got famous off the backs of angry white incels with his identity politics

>>12909593
>suggesting that transness isn't a disfigurement of the soul caused by the alienation and godlessness of the contemporary age
oh boy

>>12909871
>n-NO YOU!
what's wrong with the lefties senpai?

>>12909884
lol I just watched Evangelion too

>>12909826
>let them live in your head rent free
oh shit the absolute cringe. This is a JBP thread. Degenerates were bound to be brought up. It isn't like the dude actively thinks about trannies all the time.

>>12909885
The only guys I know irl who listen to JBP are a jaded gen Xer at my job who played in bands through his whole 20s/30s and has scores of stories about banging sluts and my brother in law who fucks strippers

>>12909895
Almost like he isn't worth talking about at all hmmm

>>12909052
ideologoes in general rely on the mentally ill to spread their message.

ideology is a mental illness

>>12909894
I've never watched evangelion but I'm a contrarian so everyone talking about all the fucking time has made me put it on my blacklist.

>>12909885
His ideas could bot be further from identity politics. Look at what he is saying and not who is supporting him. Yes dumb people support him. That is not the point!

>>12909882
Why is it “absolutely toxic”?

>>12909917
lol

>>12909885
>his identity politics
You’re really too dense to note the irony of your post, aren’t you?

>>12909918
>His ideas could bot be further from identity politics

>>12909929
Good argument. He never stops talking about how identifying yourself with a group is stupid. This is why most of the so called alt right hates him.

>>12909929
He’s right. Unless you’re “”””critiquing”””” their typo in which case pic related.

>>12909940
Bruh, his only competency is in technical clinical psychology. He literally has a degree in how to open practices to appeal to midwits, open your fucking eyes.

>>12909904
God damn beards really are s o y as fuck.
Back on point, the absolute state of lefty incels so desperate to get a partner that they try to become their own gf!

>>12909960
Juden Peterstein is a globalist stooge.

>>12909966
okay pol

>>12909960
I know. I literally don't agree with anything he has to say about politics. But the amount of people misinterpreting what he is trying to say is way to high.

>>12909976
>/pol/ is one person

>>12909983
t.chaos

>>12909976
>pol
newfag

Quads 1488

>>12909998

>>12909983
Peterson doesn't know what he's trying to say half the time

>>12909998
a dark day for the alt-right

>>12909036
>He absoloutley gives ammo to those that try to portray the devotees of right-wing ideologies
He isn't right-wing at all you absolute clown. It's standard liberalism, would even be left of center in the 90s.

Durr durr he doesn't care about my irrelevant identity politics with no effect on capital whatsoever he must le ebil fascist

>>12910009
>le alt right
Yeah a gay jew, a short jew, a canadian girl jew, and a couple of darkie youtubers are clearly destroyed now that 1488 was denied quads

>>12909970
literally all the text in this comic is unnecessary

>>12910013
Identity politics is pro capitalism. Its HR policies applied to society writ large. Everyone must be empowered to consume, especially the stupidest and most easily manipulated, who will consume the most mindlessly given the chance but need to be shielded from society wanting them actually dead

>>12910024
Either way, the end of identity politics is a series of chimeras with no practical effects. It's pointless to say this or that person is a right winger because they oppose it when real political change has to do with directly working on capital.

>>12910039
Your talking to a fascist bud

>>12910052
who cares peterson isn't one

>>12910092
Sounds like it...

>>12910104
Again, judah peterstein is a globalist stooge. Neoliberal capitalism and Marxist communist and two sides of the same shekel.

Nice substitute fathers. Pretty sad, really.

>>12910006

BRING ME PICTURES OF CIDER-MAN

I don't understand the point of criticizing him for attempting to help these people. What's wrong with trying to help them? No one else is doing it. I think it's just that you hate the people he's trying to help, and want them to suffer rather than improving themselves.

>>12909036
fuck?! fix your damn quotations you faggot, do you not read?

>>12909052
Idiots
Right wing ideologues are generally people who try to form some kind of identity which is not based on consumerism
Consumerism encourages this disgusting fragmentation of identity and constantly breaks down your sense of self to reforge it into something new, so that you need to keep buying new clothes, new makeup, new interests, to suit your new sense of self. This is how capitalism works.
The right wing response to form identity based on nation or race or religion is a natural reaction to this and is far healthier than basing it on products.
Any leftist with a brain should agree that the right wing reaction is more sane than the current status quo, even if they disagree with it.

>>12910232
>to form identity based on nation or race or religion
The left doesn't disagree with this in principle, they only disagree with it being done by white people.

>>12910245
The retarded thing is that if they would allow this concession together with socialist principles they would have an enormous force to destroy the capitalist structure and build something much healthier

>>12910253
But that isn't what they actually want, is it? Pay attention to what they're actually trying to get rid of and you should know what their real priorities are.

>>12910253
Its the jews you retard. Stop complicating the obvious
>but I was told by the jews that makes me a big list of made up silly words!
>I don't want to be called made up silly words ;_;

>>12909036
and then he said, but Dr, Im Peterson

>>12909442
>Usually I think of the “right-wing” description (in Anglophone parlance) when not applied to actual politicians as reserved for racists, nationalists, or hawks.
>Here's my implicit bias founded on nothing. Can't wait to apply this everywhere!

>>12909858
Jesus FUCK please tell me this is photoshoped, KEK.

>>12910265
You're a brainlet if you think Jews are the full extent of your problems. And I'm not even denying the infection of Zionism all through western politics.
When you walk into a Walmart or look at a site like buzzfeed or medium do you just think "boy there are too many foreigners here" or "God these websites are so anti white"?
If you do this without also questioning why you have a fucking Walmart there in the first place or why these cancerous sites exist to encourage you to think how they want you to think, or why people are even encouraged to spend half their lives in front of computer screens nowadays, then you're never going to see the end of this.

>>12909036
>He absoloutley gives ammo to those that try to portray the devotees of right-wing ideologies as being mentally unwell ...yes?

i think the frequent mass shooters and shit do a better job. the guy in that vid just comes across as a genuine broken sadboi who can no longer stomach his SSRIs and needs an escape, any escape. it's a sad state of affairs regardless of what political ideology you ascribe to

>>12910316
lmao yeah its all very nuanced and no ones fault. Have fun in your hamster wheel you wheedling vagina

>>12910316
>>12910323
Finally some compelling shit to read. TY anon(s).