/lit/ - Literature

>>12904313
i forgot
>Very Big Creatures edition
>post big creatures you like

sanderfag a hack

Is there a single more annoying character archetype than the Bard?

>>12904342
the princess who thinks she is in control and on top of everything but realizes she doesnt know jack shit about the world or how to run shit.

What's some fantasy with lots of duels? Not necessarily formal ones, just one on one combat instead of warfare.

>>12904421
NK Jemisin

>>12904342
Yes,the dual-wielding thief/rogue

>>12904421
Chronicles of Amber

>>12904425
>>12904362
The lonesome ranger who pulls ahead through his common sense and rough living. Sticking it to the pampered nobles and knights.

https://www.reddit.com/r/writing/comments/b9gh14/my_writing_got_popular_and_now_im_sad/
Are they right /sffg/? Should writers try to disengage from their audiences after reaching a certain popularity?

Just finished Dune. 6/10 for me, are the sequels any better?

>>12904693
>are the sequels any better?
No. But you're gonna ask why, and when told it's shit you're not gonna listen anyways. So go read it but don't come back here to whine or you'll get banned for spam.

>>12904596
If you aren't writing for a paying audience you don't owe the people reading your stories shit. Write what you want, what you're passionate about, or it's gonna suck. One could argue that as an artist you dont even owe your paying fans shit. They can get mad if they want.

>>12904711
>Tfw you've never read past the first Dune thanks to all the advice against it
Thanks boys

>>12904596
I know for a fact that rebbit users should stay the fuck over there. You guys think it's all memes but real 4chen users hate you fucks.
Moot used to make it a bannable offense to even post the name... I miss moot.

Any fantasy like cradle but instead of getting stronger they get cuter and more effeminate?

>>12904693
>>12904731
The first four books are worth the read, with God Emperor about equal to Dune in terms of quality. The last two are a steep decline after four, but they’re not horrible or unreadable. Still, unless you’re a massive fan, stop at God Emperor.

>>12904745
Seething. Real chads use whatever website they want :^)

>>12904771
>/lgbt/
As far as I know there isn't any books about men capturing boys and force feeding them whoremoan pills till they turn into a walking boipussy.
Check sadpanda for that.

>>12904745
>phoneposter
>563x752 image with paragraphs of text
>hey guys, what do you think about this guy blogging on reddit???
>not science fiction or fantasy
I've seen subtler shitposts get [Deleted] on /lit/.

>>12904786
>:^)
catfag why are you shitposting?

Is there a series that dropped off a cliff in terms of quality more than this?

>>12904434
>dual-wielding
I hate this meme so much.

>>12904802
I'm innocent :3

>>12904745
Dude where have you been? /lit/ and /sffg/ have been nearly taken over by those pieces of trash

Is Masters of Rome good? I hear McCullough sucks Julius Caesar’s massive! cock.

>>12904827
I saw one of them saying they will post our monthly reading poll in redbit a few threads back because we didn't want to read his PC pandering book.

>>12904827
You can use based NK Jemisin as a shibboleth. People who hate her work are r*dditfugees

>>12904313
>OP with no Edition.
You had ONE job slave, just ONE you worthless fuck.

>>12904960
im not the slave you faggot

>>12904960
Is this some sort of dominance fetish you have going on or something?

>>12904962
Did you make the thread? If yes, that makes you the slave albeit a particularly incompetent one in this case.

>>12904328
>Very Big Creatures edition
>post big creatures you like
Your mom, lol.
got em.

Setting aside the "Harry Potter Sucks" meme for a minute, do you think Hermione and Neville got satisfying conclusions to their arcs?

Hermione didn't really do much in the battle of hogwarts, an while Neville managed to pull off one absolute madman act after another he neither fulfilled the prophecy nor killed Bellatrix.

Did they deserve more?

>>12905043
Turns out they were gay
so
idk

>>12905048
haha funny meme friend. Do you mind if I share it with all my friends on the Facebook?

>>12905065
be my guest

YA fantasy is superior to mature edgy rapetrain shlock

Is there anything quite like it?

I'm still 3/4 in, but it's already one of the best books I've ever read. The language is beautiful, the characters are all weird but delightful and unique, and I wanted more books that felt like it after I finish the trilogy. I have already read Miéville which cites him as a big influence but he's not even close to Peake, and I'm to read Gloriana by Moorcock.

Doesn't need to be fantasy specifically.

Patrick Rothfuss is the most infuriating author. He has actually kind of decent prose, but

>thinks m'lady dialogue makes for actual good romance
>telegraphs plot developments from a mile away with giant hams for fists
>tells rather than shows when he's not good enough to adequately follow through with something
>has absolute dogshit opinions on what constitutes good writing
>seriously the most cringe neckbeard author of all time

Can't wait for him to fade into obscurity.

>>12905140
>Can't wait for him to fade into obscurity.
I literally only ever see people who hate him even mention him.

>>12905140

>telegraphs plot developments from a mile away with giant hams for fists

What do you mean by that?

>>12904313
Is there a place where we could post our stories to read them? I'd like to see what you guys wrote.

>>12905177
yes, here

>>12905176
Early on, Kvothe has to learn to play the lute with one less string after it breaks. Later on, he decides to play "The Most Difficult Song in the World" with his arch-nemesis, who knows basic magic, in the crowd. Even if you didn't expect him to be there, the second he shows up, you know he's going to sabotage Kvothe's performance by causing a string to break, and the tension in that moment that would have been there never even forms because it's even more obvious that he's going to just keep playing with no problem.

And of course everyone sucks his dick about it afterwards, because what would a self-insert fantasy be without "and everyone clapped"? Not to mention the fact that his entire description of the song was boiled down to "it was so difficult to play and so beautiful and it made everyone cry because it was so beautiful." Hence the telling rather than showing.

>>12905195

...yikes, that sounds terrible. Not even the situation, just the fact that he labels something as the "most difficult x" already made me grimace. I keep getting The Name of the Wind in and out of my to-read list, and you just made me take it out again.

>>12904817
None come to mind. Im gonna reread that this weekend tbqh

Recommend me something with beautiful prose /sffg/
I imagine Fantasy is more suited for that, unless there is such a thing as beautiful Sci-Fi.

>>12905240
watership down
some of wolfe
aubrey maturin

>>12905240
Book of the New Sun

>>12905240

The Napoleon of Notting Hill, the Viriconium trilogy.

>>12904745
>>12904827
All /pol/fags are redditors and /lit/ is now filled with /pol/fags so it makes sense that all /lit/ users are redditors.

>>12905302
>some anon said it
>must be true

>>12904788
There definitely are

>>12905211
>A string broke. High on the neck of the lute it snapped and the tension lashed it across the back of my hand, drawing a thin, bright line of blood.

>I stared at it numbly. It should not have broken. None of my strings were worn badly enough to break. But it had, and as the last notes of the music faded into silence I felt the audience begin to stir. They began to rouse themselves from the waking dream that I had woven for them out of strands of song.

>In the silence I felt it all unraveling, the audience waking with the dream unfinished, all my work ruined, wasted. And all the while burning inside me was the song, the song. The song!

>Without knowing what I did, I set my fingers back to the strings and fell deep into myself. Into years before, when my hands had calluses like stones and my music had come as easy as breathing. Back to the time I had played to make the sound of Wind Turning a Leaf on a lute with six strings.

>And I began to play. Slowly, then with greater speed as my hands remembered. I gathered the fraying strands of song and wove them carefully back to what they had been a moment earlier.

>It was not perfect. No song as complex as “Sir Savien” can be played perfectly on six strings instead of seven. But it was whole, and as I played the audience sighed, stirred, and slowly fell back under the spell that I had made for them.

>I hardly knew they were there, and after a minute I forgot them entirely. My hands danced, then ran, then blurred across the strings as I fought to keep the lute's two voices singing with my own. Then, even as I watched them, I forgot them, I forgot everything except finishing the song.

>The refrain came, and Aloine sang again. To me she was not a person, or even a voice, she was just a part of the song that was burning out of me.

>And then it was done. Raising my head to look at the room was like breaking the surface of the water for air. I came back into myself, found my hand bleeding and my body covered in sweat. Then the ending of the song struck me like a fist in my chest, as it always does, no matter where or when I listen to it.

>I buried my face in my hands and wept. Not for a broken lute string and the chance of failure. Not for blood shed and a wounded hand. I did not even cry for the boy who had learned to play a lute with six strings in the forest years ago. I cried for Sir Savien and Aloine, for love lost and found and lost again, at cruel fate and man's folly. And so, for a while, I was lost in grief and knew nothing.

>>12905323

Damn, and I thought Gaiman's prose in Anansi Boys was bland.

Let's make fun of birdboi. He has been posting his maps again and his naming conventions are retarded.

>>12905306
When low quality posters appear it's quite obvious where the fuck they come from. It's obvious from the moment you walk into some irredeemably shit /v/, /pol/ or /r9k/ thread outside of their containment that they're all retards from reddit. It's obvious the moment you walk into some irredeemably shit thread talking about how 15 year olds and 18 year olds getting together is the work of pedophiles that they are all retards from tumblr. It's obvious that retarded underage users are exactly that. If you can't identify populations of retards based on where they come from you need to lurk the fuck more.

>>12904817
Is the third one worth reading? I remember being really disappointed with tower lord but it's been a while

>>12905402
No. It’s even worse than tower lord

>>12905402
>Is there a series that dropped off a cliff in terms of quality more than this?
Which part of that sentence made you think the third book might be ok to read? Fucking retard.

>>12904817
posted it last thread

>>12904726
You don't owe anyone shit except yourself. The best thing abut gurm is how he milks his fans out of their money and doesn't give them shit.

I know I'm basically asking for a spoiler, but are there any works where the end of the world is brought willingly by the main characters, for one reason or other? Or a book where the world ends at the end?

>>12905490
How is Martin milking money out of his fans?

Love stories with massive worlds with cool detailed maps. Plot doesn't necessarily need to cover it all. Any good examples of this, bros?

>>12905108
It's not fantasy, not really, but Joseph Conrad is a fucking beast when it comes to prose. Try Typhoon and Heart of Darkness first.

>>12905501
Do you think all that GoT merch is fucking free?

>>12905516
Real question is whether you think GRRM's truckloads of food are free?

>>12904313
So I hear people don't really like Mieville, but what about his fantasy?

>>12905525
That's a fair point. Do you think he's inducing a massive heart attack to himself to spite his fans for being such utter plebs that they never delve into this earlier work?

>>12905411
because something can be not as good as the original but still worth checking out you insipid little faggot

>>12905530

I'm a Miéville fan and I agree when people say he writes too much. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but he could use a little editing and self-control; sometimes you can even tell the exact moment he learnt a new word, for it will repeat over and over in the next few pages (not to say all the times he will use a "hard" word just for the sake of it and not because it adds anything to the narrative). In his urge to be different he also has some pretty dumb ideas (such as the handlingers).

Despite all that, however, he's one of the most creative and just outright fun fantasy writers I've ever read, and certainly one of the best nowadays. I'm glad we have someone like him.

No idea why people dislike him, though. I can imagine his politics being a reason but it's not even a prevalent aspect of his work.

>>12905493
Elric of Melnibone

>>12905302
your post is screaming i'm new very hard

>>12905530
he's china

>>12905530
Would you challenge this man to a fistfight?

>>12905354
thats a really cool looking map
now we just wait till he make a 3d version of it, all detailed along with the cities and mountains and forests and rivers and everything else

>>12905354
Birdboi is my lord and savior

>>12905536
I read some grm bs book about sci fi humans crashing on a majority water planet and they all forgot where they came from so they glided from islet to islet but it was actually quite bland and gay.

And that new grm gri shit with transgender superheroes needs to be destroyed in a 1930'ies bookburning

>>12905604
>>12905612
According to him on discord he thinks the map is about done and now he is writing an encyclopedia.

>>12905530
This man's name apparently is China, and he is a marxist, am I corrent in both statements?

>>12905627
He should start writing. Did anyone tell him yet that first books allways die ?

>>12905354
>Logpelezz

>>12905632
Tell him that yourself. It's not like he hides. He's on /tg/ basically constantly.

>>12904799
>not science fiction or fantasy
nice reading comp

>>12905627

What is this discord you keep talking about? Everytime it is brought up it's because of this birdboi, now I'm curious.

Download can be found in the OP.

>>12905685
The /tg/ worldbuilding ones, there are a couple.

>>12904824
Have you read Breed to Come by Andre Norton?

>>12905690
>The novel describes a world of harmony and conformity within a united totalitarian state.

Hmmm.

>>12905530
Perdido Street Station is the only thing I've read from him and it was absolute dogshit.
DOGSHIT.
Absolute waste of time.

>>12905831
>hue hue ib wab dogshit
>DOGSHIT HEUEHEUHE
>abbolube wabe ob bime

>>12905852
Savage

Got this as a gift a week ago, I've read a bit and I like it but I'm a complete pleb and I only play video games in free time, any thoughts on this? Best stories, ones to skip?

>>12905240
>unless there is such a thing as beautiful Sci-Fi.
Neuromancer has its moments.

what books/authors are sffg core? The books that get the highest praise on this thread.

god bless brian herbert and branderson our gods

>>12905966
King Guy

>>12905966
The only things /sffg/ ever talks about is In the Name of the Wind and Book of the New Sun with the occasional diversion into whatever garbage Sanderson has produced recently.

>>12905966
BotNS, Dying Earth, Dune, LotR, Hyperion, Lord of Light, Blindsight and Conan, to mention the first ones that come to mind.

>>12905966
It's anything by gene wolfe really
>>12905984
Is a troll, name of the wind gets an autistic amount of arbitrary hate by people that can only handle power fantasy and freaks out if their single pov character is a loser.

>>12905966
What kind of SF do you want, anon?

>>12905966
the spiral wars

>>12905948
Trade it in for the Del Rey Conan collections. And you should read all the stories because REH never wrote a bad Conan story; some are just better than others.

>>12905966
Chronicles of Amber, Black Company, Masters of Rome, Magna Cum Carta.

>>12906360
>REH never wrote a bad Conan story
He sure did. Vale of Lost Women, Xuthal of the Dusk and The Man Eaters of Zamboula to mention the worst that come to mind. Free hot take: The Hour of the Dragon is quite mediocre. Also, Olivia is best girl.

>>12906503
Nah. REH's worst could only, at best, be considered mediocre when compared to his fellow pulp writers of the day and even by today's standards.

>>12906529
>his fellow pulp writers of the day
Well, almost all of his fellow pulp writers exclusively wrote pure horseshit. Howard on the other hand was incredibly talented and actually put some thought into his stories so I see nothing wrong with comparing him to what I consider good literature. And when doing that some of his stories are bad.

Pic unrelated, it's decent.

>>12906555
What makes his stories so great? Aren't they just a male power fantasy about killing monsters and fucking the bid titted damsel in distress?

Do I read pic related? I just got an itch for portal fantasy.

>>12906701
I have autism, OK?

>>12906708
ok

>>12906188
>NotW isn't a power fantasy

>>12905502
It's ya but the monster blood tattoo series has a huge map and each book has a massive section in the back stuffed with history and world building.

>>12906755
If anything this just puts me off

>>12906708
its kinda fun. but it gets really dry at times. especially after the second book.

>>12905451
The first book was okay but it was no blood song

>>12906696
>male power fantasy about killing monsters and fucking the bid titted damsel in distress
Yes and no. His worst stories, generally written when he was under great economic stress, are. His best stories are exciting adventures based on criticism of civilization and the civilized man, as opposed to barbarism or the "natural" state of things. Howard was quite obsessed with this and believed that our way of life corrupted us which reflect in his stories. There's no point in denying his frequent use of the damsel in distress trope (not really surprising considering what kind of magazine Weird Tales was) but he often bend it in interesting ways. Olivia, who I've already mentioned, is a damsel in distress but she's also the architect of her own rescue and she later save both Conan and herself. Similarly Conan (the barbarian) is often a tool used by the damsel to escape the torments civilization have put her in.

Fuck monthly anon, he keeps dq'ing Blood Song from the monthly vote because it's "too big".
He had no problem letting in a shit trilogy like Black Company which ruined the general with waifu faggotry for over a month now though.

>>12906805
Actually, the aftermath of not disqualifying Black Company (which I wish I had done) is the reason I am disqualifying books like Blood Song.

>>12906793
Very insightful, thank you! I'll pick up some Conan stories as soon as I finish Dune.

>>12906805
While I will call monthlyanon for rejecting long books (I am still salty about The Wandering Inn, the complete serial), I applaud his decisions to reject this reddit garbage: Lawrence, Sullivan and Ryan don't belong on sffg.

>>12905966
Martin, Sanderson, Lawrence, Maas, Abercrombie

>>12906846
You seem to have extensive brain damage, Wandering Inn is 3.5 MILLION words long and still on going, you mouth breathing fucking retard.

I didn't even know Ryan was a Reddit author, Blood Song has been a thing on this general for YEARS, almost everyone who has read it loves it and they also agree that the rest of his books are either average or bad but that one book is worth reading.

>>12906822
500~ pages isn't too long to read in a month if a book can be read as a standalone.

>>12906822
Black Company is the most I’ve ever seen people take part in the monthly reading

>>12906874
Is Blood Song a standalone book? Or does it end with a cliffhanger?

>>12906915
>Lady is a whore.
>NO! Catcher is a whore!
Wow, just look at all the taking part the 2 autistic waifu fags are doing. Black Company sure is a hit xd

>>12905557
>I can't read or comprehend properly but I'm on the /lit/ board

>>12905948
If you already have the book then fucking read it you falseflag posting piece of shit. We all know you're the Conan anon trying to force discussion about the one and only book you read, but you can't think anyone would take you seriously and not see through you 12 year old attempts at being subtle.
Now that you've been called out you can post your open mouth meme photos. Commit sudoku you piece of shit.

What's the best fantasy book / series you can recommend me?

>>12906924
It works as a stand alone. Doesn’t leave you on a cliffhanger, but it does leave some questions unanswered about a shadowy villian. The sequels aren’t worth reading.

>>12906924
Technically it's a trilogy but the sequels are awful and the first book CAN be read as a standalone and everyone that has read it recommends that it should be so. The ending is satisfactory, not a cliffhanger.

>>12906874
>500~ pages isn't too long to read in a month
I agree. However monthly reading was originally intended for shorter works that anyone can read in a couple of days and discuss at the end of the month, not as our main reading. "Too long" is not an absolute cause for disqualification, however I will prioritize shorter works if there are enough nominations.

>>12906915
I'm not so sure most of the discussion was new readers. Non of the /sffg/ regulars I secretly monitor on Goodreads picked it up last month. Anyway it's a series that's already regularly talked about in the general so promoting it as monthly reading was quite unnecessary.

>>12906938
Not exactly similar but you'd probably enjoy The King of Elfland's Daughter.

>>12906938
BotNS

>>12906953
>the /sffg/ regulars I secretly monitor on Goodreads
That's some autistic tier stuff lad.

>>12906971
First reply was meant for >>12905108

>>12906708
Turns to complete shit near the end.
I've had people tell me book 2 gets worst.
But maybe you have shit tastes, so you would enjoy it. One of my buddies told me not to read it, but I was low on books so i gave it a try. I wanted to know wtf he was talking about until later, regret not listening to him.

The author had a great chance to make a wonderful story but he fucked up. The ending of the book shows where he was going with the bad parts too.

>>12906938
Botns
Bakker

>>12906873
>Martin
His inability to finish a series notwithstanding, Martin is tiers above those other hacks.
I used to dislike his books but, especially his prose but after years of reading shitty authors trying to imitate him I have gained a certain appreciation for his writing prowess.

>>12906953
>Non of the /sffg/ regulars I secretly monitor on Goodreads picked it up last month.
>the /sffg/ regulars I secretly monitor on Goodreads

>>12906971
>>12906982
I'll read botns
What from Bakker?

>>12905699
I have not, but I do enjoy Andre Norton. Thanks for the mention. Hopefully I'll stumble across this cover.

>>12907032
Catfag... Is that book about a wondering Japanese swordswoman looking for someone to breed her?

>>12906874
>Falling for obvious sarcasm

>>12904824
Don't know if I want to smash or not... Those claws look like she will be taking out your spine when you have her in missionary

>>12907011
Don't worry Kevin

I would like to share the fact that I scraped goodreads, comparing user profiles with books being discussed here (especially monthly readings) and accounting for timestamps.
I know who you are, anons.

>>12907049
>thinking it's sarcasm
We have some extra autistic invaders from the redplace, and they get vexed when we don't want to read their autistic trash.

>>12907063
Vince... I thought you stopped doing this. I thought you left.

>>12907063
>Kevin
I'm hazy on the names, is that the anon that calls people dinos and reads Sanderson and UF?

>>12907027
The second apocalypse series

>>12907075
I know this was sarcasm, as I was that poster and I have been here for years.

>>12907069
Hello Mr FBI. Does the bureau know you're using their assets to track readfags on the internet?

>>12907084
Almost everyone in here reads Sanderson, not sure bout the urban fantasy. Wtf is a dino?

>>12907091
It takes literal miliseconds on my laptop to match people who recently read black company with people who read We a month later.

>>12907080
I'm here every day... No posting escapes these cursed orbs.

>>12907069
>comparing user profiles with books being discussed here (especially monthly readings) and accounting for timestamps.
but what if I discuss a book now, then go read it 2 months later when the memes make it actually interesting?
I got memed into the Maasive Ass throne that way.

>>12907011
And which one of them might you be? AM maybe? I hope you enjoy We better than you did Fifth Head, you pleb.

>>12907048
I haven't read it yet, perhaps we'll get lucky :3
>>12907061
She only has eyes for her cat man anyhow
>>12907069
And y'all thought I was paranoid for not having an account

>>12907110
Ohhh.. so youre the creeper that friend requested after I put my black company review and put "we" as currently reading.

>>12906933
But Lady is a whore, it’s important people know.

>>12907163
>giving up your virginity to a man and sticking with him makes you a whore

What are some cute and comfy fantasy novels?

>>12907069
Sebastian is that you?

My story has no gays and no minorities. Did I fuck up?

>>12907169
>has on armor
>leaves boobs to get stabbed
>this is logical because boobs are armor
Yall breast fags who never got love or breastfed from your moms disgust me.

>>12907183
>Yall
I will never take anyone who uses the term "y'all" on the internet seriously. Fuck off back to Tumblr you subhuman filth.

>>12907069
>I scraped goodreads, comparing user profiles with books being discussed here (especially monthly readings) and accounting for timestamps.
That seems like a lot of work famalam. Why the obsession? Don't you have a life? Why spend time backtracking anon's reading habits?

>>12907186
>yall
>you all
>said almost everywhere
>you're a fumblr user if you say yall
Kys

>>12907191
I am doing Machine Learning for natural language processing and need practice.

>>12907200
Cope harder nigger.

>>12907084
I think he's the one that was left home alone for a few weeks and stayed in the trump tower.

>>12907213
kek

>>12907167
>believing a whore
Rookie

>>12907213
Wait. Were you the coderfag from a few weeks ago asking about doing his thesis on the university's computer?

>>12907200
>It’s an American anon thinks yall is used outside of his cousin fucking mountain range episode
Love this one

>>12907215
I'm glad you recognize that Texas and the south are all white n-word minorities. Seeing as they say yall the most.
Thanks for confirming this. They liked to shoot people down there just like minorities.

>>12907163
Lady is wholesome Catcher is just her envious sister that copes by being a whore

>>12907200
>said almost everywhere
By "everywhere" I'm assuming you mean in the United States because if not the you are pretty fucking stupid. If. you do mean in the US, then no it's not and you are still a fucking idiot. Outside of certain states if you go around unironically said y'all people are going to look at you like you're a cartoon character and laugh.

Keep seeing this ad on Facebook, has anyone else read it - Looks interesting with the design but unsure about buying it as the author looks like 12

>>12907252
You believed soulcatcher you simp.
She gave you a bj when she just met you, while claiming her innocence and you are whiteknighting her across the internet. You think your literal whore is pure? How do you think she "catches" souls? She's a succubus who succs it out your dick. How do you think that whore got that many souls?

>>12907299
People aren't that mean :(

>>12907266
I'm not a burger and use yall. A lot of people in my country uses yall. And we burn people if they were found to be having incest.

Why are Black Company waifu wars still going on? Literally just read the books. Lady is legit pure and only ever gives her body and love to Croaker. Soulcatcher on the other hand was Dominator's fuck toy, not to mention it's implied that she gets around plenty. Now stop this nonsense.

>>12907307
>using facebook
There's your problem
>3mbs for a 1591x1194 image that is just read clouds

>>12907317
>And we burn people if they were found to be having incest.
Panjeet is that you? How are the cows doing?

>>12907331
It's been going on at least for a year before monthly reading.
Remember the first post is usually x/y is a whore

>>12907334
If you really zoom in with advanced technology you can see the water in the clouds. That's where all the mbs went.

>>12907338
The cows are delicious.
Going to have a mince beef burger for lunch soon.

>>12907344
absolutely haram

>>12905354
I can't pronounce one word out of that alphabet soup

Friendly reminder that Lady loved her powers more than croaker. She only accompanied him because she knew she couldn't keep her empire without her powers for long.

when croaker restored her powers was the first time she was truly happy again. She didn't love croaker, she only loved power

Sorry to burst your bubble anons

>>12907384
>double enter
>failed spoiler tags
If anyone needed any more proof that Catcher fags are all ledditors, here you go.

>>12907384
Hello rebbit. Your spoiler tags don't work in 4chins. Thank you for outing yourself.

>>12907384
Nice tidbit you pulled straight from the wiki. Now read the actual books.

>>12905240
Clark Ashton Smith wrote both fantasy and sci-fi and had great prose.

>>12904313

Help me out, /lit/. I've spent all morning struggling to remember the title of a sci-fi book I must have read in junior high. I still remember most of the plot:

> Main character is a girl living alone on a planet with a male android caretaker
> Her house has no mirrors because she was actually a gene-modding experiment done by her parents to help her survive on the planet
> She only discovers that fact much later
> She has a "dog" that is very obviously a strange kind of alien
> A space ship full of colonists from (a very overcrowded, dirty) Earth arrives
> Girl wants to meet them, but her caretaker makes her wear a mask
> Befriends a teenage guy from the colonist group
> Her dog gets shot at some point because the colonists think it's ugly and hostile

This has been bothering the shit out of me, because I can still remember exact quotes out of the book and even the imagery in my head, but I can't remember any of the character's names or what the book itself was called.

>>12905353
Anansi boys is an improvement over American Gods.

>>12904313
Rec me some good books with animal or non-human companions.
I've already read Hobb, didn't like the books but the wolf parts were good. I've also read and liked the Vlad Taltos books.
Please resident degenerates, no, I'm not looking for any monster erotica.

>>12906822
Fuck off cunt.
Also, lady a boring shit, Soulcatcher a waifu.

How grimdark is Godblind?

>>12907603
>female author
>grimderp
>still only rated 3.72 on GR
That about says it all desu.

>>12907331
Lady is just boring and too perfect (sometimes unbelievably so). Soulcatcher was more intriguing for me, at least in the first book and they had more interaction with her so I was hoping that she will end up as a main girl, alas. In reality, both of them were bitches looking to obtain/maintain power so whatever, cook just made Lady his pure wifu later on.
I would have loved if they just worked as mercs for Soulcatcher longer, developed deeper relationship with her and at the same time didn't kill off most of the old company by the end of the North books.

>>12907621
Being rated under a 4 is generally a good sign if it's goodreads.

>>12907699
Unless you're Guy Gavriel Kay

>>12907699
Not if it's written by a female author AND is part of a popular sub genre.

>>12907547
The Temeraire series is about a British sailing captain and a dragon in the Napoleonic wars.

I'd suggest skipping the Dragon Riders of Pern series unless you're like, 15, it's pretty bad.

>>12907503

No fucking way. Anansi Boys reads literally like a bad american sitcom. He never made one joke that I hadn't seen somewhere else before. It's terrible.

Picked this up after seeing it shilled in this thread a few times. It's clear the author is trying to write a fantasy Blood Meridian. He doesn't actually succeed, but goddam was it worth my time. Way better than someone trying to write another Sanderson rip-off.

Or fucking Sanderson for that matter.

>>12907721
>written by a female author AND is part of a popular sub genre.
I wouldn't say so.
But female author + grimdark fantasy, I think a lot of women will pick it up because of the author but then realize it's not some YA chickflick.
It starts out with some brutal rape, if most of your readers are female then that's a lot of free 1 star ratings.

>>12907840
Strange, rape is often a female fetish. Or maybe it's just the wrong kind of female audience that leaves these ratings or maybe rape is not portrayed to their liking (not Gor like).

>>12907857
>rape is often a female fetish
There's a difference between being "raped" by an assertive (but actually really kind) square jawed hunk and some random thug smelling like shit and urine with a recessed chin pressing a knife on one's throat.

>>12907384
what does it say about me that my first thought when I saw those fucked up spoiler tags was "music video" and not "reddit"

>>12907478
Try to Google the quotes.

>>12907857
No, tumblerinas that read fantasy just hate rape, period. Doesn't matter which form it takes. I know some sjw cunts that actually maintain spreadsheets for rape scenes in books and then go, 'reeeee, there's too much rape in fantasy'. Of course they then share this data with others snowflakes who are looking to read trigger free fantasy.
It's actually a big problem for writers in this era of Twitter where sjw gangs run amok shaping narratives. New authors are scared to death about mentioning sexual violence of any kind in their books because if by god if it triggers someone you can be sure the book will get a lot of negative attention and the author WILL get blacklisted to the point agents and publishers will start ignoring them. This also extends to perceived racism.

>>12907927
anon, why does this bother you so much? so some people dont want to read a graphic rape scene. who gives a fuck?

>>12907927
That Daniel Greene prat someone posted the other day was complaining about sexual assault happening to often in grimderp. I don't understand why people consider it to be on a different pedestal than murder and maiming.

>>12908034
well, when you get murdered, you don't usually dont get PTSD flashbacks because of it.

Anyone have an ebook for Mark Lawrence's "Holy Sister" ?

>>12908095
yes

>>12908095
>Lawrence
Just ... don't.

>>12907478
>Her dog gets shot at some point because the colonists think it's ugly and hostile
Man. Books like this piss me off. People go to a different world and start shooting shit, then nothing comes of it.

>>12908111
How do you get words and pages count and which program is that?

>>12908111
Care to share? I couldn't find it online.

>>12908165
It's on mobilism anon. That's always the first place you check.
https://forum.mobilism.org/viewtopic.php?f=1293&t=3077297&hilit=mark+lawrence

>>12908178
>>12908178

Thank you kindly, I'm unfamiliar with places to get ebooks, I generally use IRC.

>>12908252
>I generally use IRC.
its also on irc. you lazy fuck.

>>12907547
Dilvish the Damned (Demon horse companion)
Deathgate Cycle (Dog Companion)
Valdemar Series (Magical horse)

>>12904421

The Drizzt Series

>>12908261
Do you think it was quicker to ask here than to search IRC you fat cunt?

Having finished Worm, I am now more assured in my conviction that webnovels/serials are the worst shit ever. It's a very competent, interesting story, and it would be great if it had an editor, but it's bogged down by a few things particular to the format, namely the community of people who were reading when it was still being written and the obsession with word count of chapters. I think about a third of the way through, the word "headspace" starts appearing with an annoying frequency, and several characters who were fine cease being human and start being tumblr-idealized versions of themselves. Feedback during the writing process is destructive, but no author is going to totally tune it out. Chapters also drag on and on and on when there's nothing going on, because the whole idea that every chapter needs to hit some word count minimum to "count" results in long internal monologuing about why a character's making a decision. It's the worst kind of "tell don't show" I can think of. And that's not just me hating 1st person; Wolfe's my favorite living author. It can be done right, but the serial format almost forces you to do it wrong. Characters talking in circles to a captive audience - the reader - is the worst.

All that said, I hope the author gets a movie deal someday, because the concepts were better than almost any of the shit Marvel/DC put on the screens.

>>12905948
I wanna start conan due to all this conanposting but which one is truly the best?

Also, books with hive queens? (Pic related)

>>12905451

If you can't appreciate a fantasy version of Camp of Saints detailing how, in a world where demons arise from the Earth every night to destroy civilization, the real threat is magical karate muslims who can't decide if they love raping their own male children or white women more, then you should stop reading.

>>12905966
Eragon UNIRONICALLY.

>birdboi ranting in discord that he hates the language generators he used and that he's scrapping all the names in favor of just writing all the languages himself
Sufficiently bullied.

>>12908094
When you get maimed you might.

>>12908335
At this point I'm more interested in you than I am Birdboi. You are legit stalking the dude at this point.

>>12908352
I bully all writefags. Birdboi is the only local with any presence at the moment.

>>12908335
I love birdboi id suck his big birdcock desu

>>12908352
Its darkbirdboi

>>12908324
pic related

>>12908367
>>12908352
could someone tell me who this birdboi dude is? i'm new to /sffg/ and this cunt's maps get posted here all the time.

>>12908384
he's a great visionary of our time. A true intellectual

>>12908374
Does she fuck the bug?

>>12908384
He's intelligent,nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor.

>>12908367
He doesn't have any presence though, it's just you.

>>12908384
Youre just a month late. He used to post a lot of autistic extremely detailed stuff about a bird world with human slaves or some shit (which he insisted were not sexually assaulted - he's pure like that). Everybody loved him, 1 fag bullied him, and now hes gone.

>>12908414
No
Workers remove excess sweat etc with their tongues if that does it for you

>>12908374
Noted

>>12908414
I fucking hope so.

>>12908442
why would I read about that world if there's no bird on human rape?

>>12908384
One of the local autists has made it his mission to fellate him every thread

Why doesnt that eragon fag dont create no more books?

>>12907971
Fucking SJWs taking away my sexual violence
Honestly anti-SJWs are worse than SJWs

>>12908384
He's an autist who posted on here for a while and got some attention/praise. He then went back and said he wouldn't be posting frequently so as to not bog down the general. This fag keeps shitposting about him and birdboi has actually come and asked him to stop, but he hasn't.

Basically it's this fag who is the problem.

>>12907638
Anon right here is speaking fucking truth. The Books of the South and Glittering Plain dragged on way too long and the newfound agency of the Company wasn't as intriguing as the lack of it in the North.

Anyone read this?

>>12904313
>We by Yevgeny Zamyatin
I just checked the synopsis and holy shit, did just Orwell rip-off this or something ???

I remember seeing Sykes shilling his new book a while back, and I think it just came out. Anyone formed an opinion on it yet? Worth starting? I don't usually do series unless they're done, so getting in with a "book 1 in the fuck you series" isn't super appealing to me off the bat.

>>12907891
well they're not how reddit spoiler tags work so i would say you're right

Can someone explain how warrens are natural to the Malazan world but the crippled god is alien to the malazan world?

>>12908973
>malazan world
Who cares lol

>>12908979
I do, that's why I asked you dummy

>>12908973
>explain
>Malazan

>>12908973
Warrens are like divine realms, but the crippled god is from a different dimension or an alternate reality.

>>12909108
I thought The Crippled God was summoned from another planet and that Warrens were kinda like planes from Magic the Gathering

>>12909123
No they ripped him through dimensions. That’s why he couldn’t just fly back to his home planet and needed a big ritual to send him back. Also they only got a piece of him, hence the “crippled” part

>>12908973
My main man Crips is from outside the outside. Where ever his power is sourced natives of the Malazan world couldn't reach it without a considerable, concentrated group effort.

>>12909162
>>12909179
But why would his dimension not be considered a Warren? We know that the Tiste people came from different Warrens to the Malazan world.

>>12906982
>Bakker
He said best, not worst.

>>12907266
>only Americans use slang words
Please retire from life.

>>12908324
>I wanna start conan due to all this conanposting but which one is truly the best?
The Del Ray collections. Download or buy them, but they are the absolute best collections of the original Conan stories.

>>12908561
>t. SJW

>MC is a scrawny loser
>something happens
>makes a few friends
>slowly becomes stronger
>defeats the evil power
>gets a gf
I love this

>>12909213
Because warrens are different layers of the same fabric. He is from outside the fabric. Like, think of the nine realms from Norse mythology. Warrens are like that, different areas but all attached.

>>12909404
Anything can be food if it's written well but I'm pretty tired of those beats

>>12909404
Loser power fantasy.

>>12909434
I'd take the loser underdog fantasy over some white knight cuck fantasy like Kingkiller Chronicles.

>>12909457
That is also loser power fantasy.

>>12909413
>Anything can be food
George, go finish your book.

>>12907478
>>12907914
>>12908138

Finally found the book after going on wikipedia and searching up sci-fi novels published in the 80s. It's "Keeper of the Isis Light," which vindicates the fuck out of my hazy memories about the title being a "a profession related to light or stars or something."

>author writes 1 long book instead of a trilogy of 250 pagers as they did before
buddy I appreciate you saving your readers money but this is fucking up my goodreads challenge progress

>>12904421
been a while since I read it but Greatcoats series iirc

>>12909457
kingkiller is literally about a skinny hobo becoming the most important person in the world lol

that's a terrible counter-example

>>12909685
>not jacking of to page count
It’s one hell of a drug.

Anyone else doing this? Seems fun.

>>12909740
this is just from what I've read this year, I've never seen that chart before

>>12909771
here's the link to the bingo thread:
https://old.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/b83fs8/here_it_is_the_rfantasy_2019_book_bingo_challenge/

>>12909781
>Middle Grade SFF Novel - So many SFF authors are writing Middle Grade these days, thought this would be fun! Middle Grade works are typically written with an readership of 8-12 year olds in mind.

lol

I don't mind r/fantasy for quickly finding books that fit a description/subgenre but it's pretty bad outside of that

>>12909781
>>12909771
>>12909740
The absolute the state of this general.

>>12909830
get off your high horse

>>12909851
Go back to where you came from

well /sffg/, the alcohol plan worked insofar as it got me writing, but it didn't work well enough. 186 words. It's more than nothing

>>12907478
hmm

>>12909394
Yeah ok retard

>>12907839
yeah it was pretty good. I assume theres going to be another book at some point but havnt heard anything about it. The main character in that book takes a fucking beating (and thats a good thing). I will read the next book when it comes out tbqh.

is there an sffg discord? please invite me i want to shitpost and this general is too slow

What are your most favorite tropes from sci-fi and fantasy ?

>>12906805
The Lady/Catcher waifufaggotry has been going on since way before Black Company was monthly reading.

I might actually be responsible for it, sadly. I don't really recall seeing much of it until about a year ago I brought it up just casually shitposting, and suddenly some guy started running either it and was waifufagging Soulcatcher literally every new thread.

Someone please tell me I'm wrong and there's been one or two fags going on about Catcher vs. Lady in every single thread for longer than that. I don't know if I can stomach being responsible for this.

>>12910128
-running with it

>>12910118
This is almost a dead trope since the vast majority of fantasy these days is all about WORLD-BUILDING or MAGIC SYSTEMS, but I really like the trope of sorcery and sorcerers being treated as these mysterious and horrifying things. I'm not a fan of how wizards these days are basically X-Men with their magic explained away as if it were no different than a gun. Sucks all the actual fantasy out of magic.

>>12910133
im completely the opposite in that I like mages being essentially walking nukes.

>>12910139
I'm bored to tears of that now because of how prevalent it is and how in essence it doesn't make the wizard any different from a character who's an amazing swordsman. Same shit, different kind of weapon. I blame RPGs and video games for that. Bring back the mystery and supernatural-ness of magic. Don't explain it away like it's a car engine or have the wizards be like Magneto.

>>12910163

You dont know what youre talking ablur dumbass. You nust hear “nigger who led the country for 8 years thinks its ok than its ok”

Faggot cunt. Im being raped in broaddYlifht you wortgless rapist bitch. Youre so much weaker and stupider than me i could own you but that igger skinny bitch decided you could treat me like your bitch, bitch id make you my slave nigger

>>12910133
Do you imagine them having to make a "deal" of sorts and sacrificing their humanity in order to comprehend magic ?
I feel the exact same way about any supernaturally powered stuff and not just wizards (superheroes are the worst offender in this).
I blame comics and other popculture for making magic and superhuman stuff so normalized.

>>12910118
not really a trope but I love stuff where the magic or whatever isn't gained via birthright

>>12910163
No matter how good a swordsman is theres a limit to what they can do. With magic theres no limit. Honestly most of the reason I even read fantasy is just power fantasy. If want anything else I usually read a different genre.

I understand what youre saying about mystery, but that doesnt do it for at all honestly. I dont need full on sanderson levels of autism but at least some idea as the limitations of magic are necessary imo, otherwise it just seems like a lazy plot device wherein the wizard does whatever the author thinks advances the plot best. I think Bakker's magic systems are really good in that theyre pretty descriptive but theres still a lot of mystery and theres different types of magic that work in different ways.

>>12908562
Birdboi was fucking annoying as hell. This fag is even more annoying though.

>>12910176
What would be a good way for people to get magic in some way according to you ?
In a setting I've been working on people are all able to do magic of some sorts but some are a little more sensitive to certain concepts, as in it's complicated for a man who's only been in the desert to conjure snow when he's never seen it.

>>12910174
I don't really care how the magic is done; just don't treat it like a superpower. Treat it like something truly mysterious and part of the supernatural.
>>12910183
>but at least some idea as the limitations of magic are necessary imo, otherwise it just seems like a lazy plot device wherein the wizard does whatever the author thinks advances the plot best.
That's bad writing and has nothing to do with the nature of magic in fantasy literature. And as I've already explained: putting immutable limits on something that's supernatural makes it no different than a gun or a car engine and thus robs magic of what makes it special. If you like that kinda shit then that's fine, but I'm beyond bored with it now and would love a return to when magic was treated as something supernatural, mysterious, and something to be terrified of because of how mysterious it is.

>>12909685

what book?

>>12910227
I completely agree with everything you said. Well done.

>>12910227
what are some books/series you think do this well?

>>12910242
One of my favorite portrayals of sorcery is in the Conan story The Scarlet Citadel. Specifically from the second wizard that shows up near the middle portion of the story. The sorcery he uses is both subtle, mysterious, AND horrifying. You get an idea of his limitations as a wizard without needing a retarded magic system explained and a good idea of how powerful he actually is without him behaving like Magneto.

>>12908682
Anyone? Please? I have a sentient Ai fetish.
Just want to know if it's good.

>>12910257
will it matter if i read that without having read any other conan stories?

>>12910263
No. Every Conan story Robert E. Howard wrote is a stand-alone story.

>>12910257
>>12910227
>>12910163
>>12910133
I hate books like that, because authors pull shit out their ass. You may not read a lot, but I do. I've read thousands of books, and that vague magic shit allows the authors to asspull. And retards like you will defend the author and say it wasn't a deus ex machina, when it clearly was.

Sanderson writing his limitation magic systems was the best thing to happen to fantasy. When he(Sanderson) was on a panel a few years ago other authors called him out for it, because "how are we going to get the protagonist out when he's stuff". Vague magic is for lazy ass authors who want to serve shit to their readers and expect them to eat it.

>>12910298
>you may not read a lot but I do, I've read thousands of books
>Sanderson is good

Cringe. I like autistically laid out magic systems but sanderson and your post are embarrassing.

>>12910298
>"how are we going to get the protagonist out when he's stuff".
When he's stuck*

>>12910305
Did I say he's great? He's okay, but I dropped him because he is a ya fag now.
What I'm saying is that him setting out the limitations of magics, and selling like crazy made other authors realize that people are fed up of their asspull bullshit.

The magic doesn't have to be autisticly "take one gram of sodium and 2 drops of piss to fly". It just has to set limitations so you know the extent.
I don't want to be reading about a hedge wizard who could only heal warts, suddenly at the end summoning a 20k strong heavy infantry plant army to reinforce a failing skirmish line, and saving the hero. Fuck that shit.

>>12910347
what book does magic well?

>>12909404
So nearly every YA novel written?

>>12908442
Nice resolution ya got there pardner

>>12910298
You are very retarded. This is the equivalent of a character who has a really strong punch who can knockout most other characters with this punch then claiming the writing is bad because this character is unable to knock down a door with the same punch. Do you have any idea how stupid you have to be to NEED magic explained to you because you can't comprehend a wizard being able to do something supernatural, but then unable to do something else without autistic rules laid out?

>>12910347
>It just has to set limitations so you know the extent.
The limitations are what the magical-user can and can't do within the story, you fucking idiot.

>>12910358

>>12910347
>I don't want to be reading about a hedge wizard who could only heal warts, suddenly at the end summoning a 20k strong heavy infantry plant army to reinforce a failing skirmish line, and saving the hero. Fuck that shit.
You know what's ironic about this? You're way, WAY more likely to find this power-wank bullshit in your "magic system" fantasy than damn near ANY pre-RPG/video game fantasy.

Anyone else kinda disappointed with the second half of Tiamats Wrath?

>>12905140
I enjoyed the first 2 books of kingkiller. They had a LOT of faults and sometimes the writing was god awful, but I honestly enjoyed the story enough to look past it. But now that he's taking a fucking decade to finish book 3 I'm starting to hate him more and more.

>>12910085
Haven't heard anything about a sequel. I can only hope it tells us more about the red haired man. i like him as a main antagonist.

>>12910133

anon you need to check out
>>12907839

/sffg/, I don't know what to do anymore. My autism and perfectionism had been keeping me from writing for so long. Today I got a bottle of liquor and tried drinking to silence my inhibitions, and all it did was make me worse.

this shitty fucking novel is never going to get off the ground.

>>12910118
I like it when a genius protagonist's plan falls into place. It's a shame most examples of this are usually considered trashy, because I really think it's clever writing

>>12910654
>fantasy Blood Meridian
That sounds grimderp as fuck though.

THREAD SLAVE!

>>12910700
I guess. It's certainly dark and violent. It doesn't have the cringe factor of something like Prince of Thorns. But if you like twee shit like Rothfuss, it's not for you.

terri schaivo brain: dual wielding rogues
galaxy brain: wizards with baliwands

>>12910720
I love grit and violence and especially horror in my fantasy, but grimdark fantasy isn't that. It's just epic fantasy with the edginess cranked up to 11. After reading grimderp like Prince of Nothing then reading Karl Edward Wagner's Kane books (which have plenty of gritty violence and horror) I much prefer the latter.

>>12910739
Then you should give it a try. I think it fits your description of dark fantasy without being grimdark.

No spoilers, but there's an antagonist in the book that I'm pretty sure is based on KEW's Kane.

thread slave is getting really cheeky lately

It's up stop yelling you fucks

>>12910760
>>12910760
>>12910760
>>12910760
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