/lit/ - Literature

I think it’s very sad to see the status which Clarice has gained among foreigners (Americans, that is) as the 'best Brazilian novelist' of the past century. She is not. No one in Brazil thinks so, and it's been only in recent years that foreigners have elevated her work to a status which it doesn't really deserve - they deny it to Os Sertões and Claro Enigma -, mainly because of political reasons and because it’s easy to turn her into a feminist icon. They couldn't do that with the old, Catholic Cecília, a great poet, and much less with Adélia Prado, so they had to choose Clarice instead. And it doesn’t stop with her: now Brazilians are doing the very same thing with that laughably untalented carioca junkie from the 80's whose name does not deserved to be mentioned. Very soon she's going to be translated and looked at as 'the best Brazilian poet of the second half of the 20th-century' (after Chico Buarque, of course). It's ridiculous. And they’ve been doing the same to Hilda Hilst too, although, like Clarice, she at least had some talent. What's next? Gregório Duvivier? Somebody kill me before it happens!

Meanwhile, conveniently thrown ‘’nos aguaçais dos Igapós dos Japurás e dos Purus’’, Mello Mourão, a better poet than many of the Anglo-American masters, remains drowned in the waters of oblivion, beautifully untranslated, waiting to be found by those who know enough to seek him.

(And I haven’t even mentioned Otto Maria Carpeaux).

>>12882672
>If you do not know any Portuguese, you should refrain yourself from engaging in this discussion.

Just try and stop us

>>12882672
nobody catres faggot

>>12882672
pretty people get all the attention, I think that is basically what it comes down to

any great female authors who write in a similar vein but do it better?

>>12882672
>Machado de Assis
Didn't know people argued against him being the best.

Looking forward to checking out the others.

>>12882758
Machado de Assis and Rosa are the ultimate bosses of Brazil. There's no doubt.

you see here... the american 'woke' cancer is now spreading all over the world. short of 2 years ago it wouldve been a joke of how eternally banal american issues are. and now everyone is sulking on a copy of a coast to coast artifact of silicon valley and the ny times built overnight smackdab on their quaint communities. the haven they once knew where they could savor coffee beans and sling in-language jokes are now eroding from beneath their leather loafers. and no, there is no manager you could complain to. congratulations.

Im reading Guimaraes Rosa (im brazilian) and cant understand it quite well, only generally but not the details, i get lost quite easily because of his vocabulary (im reading Tutameia)
Am i a brainlet?

>>12882758
Machado's best novels were published in the 19th century

>>12882809
>Am I a brainlet
No, bro.

>ost of the book's spirit is however lost in translation, as the Portuguese original is written in a register that is both archaic and colloquial, as well as full of the author's remakable neologisms, which makes the aesthetics of the book a challenging task to transpose to other languages. The combination of its size, linguistic oddness and polemic themes caused a shock when it was published, but now it is widely regarded as the greatest work of Brazilian literature and one of the most important novels of Portuguese language literature and South American literature. In a 2002 poll of 100 noted writers conducted by the Bokklubben World Library, the book was named among the top 100 books of all time.[2]

>>12882809
Oops I skimmed your post and thought you were talking about Grande Sertão hehe but I guess it's the same in all of his works

>no based Ariano Suassuna

>no Zé Lins do Rego
>no Graciliano Ramos
>no Rachel de Queiroz
>no Raimundo Carrero
>includes Bruno Tolentino

Lmao, just ignore the OP, he's a brain dead retard. Clarice is good and I'd rather have her at the top than some paulistano whatever.

>>12882820
The thing is im reading it in portuguese and i constantly feel dumb and that im not enjoying and experiencing it as i should. Also, i wanted to try Anibal Machado after this, what do you think of him?

>>12882872
Does the OP claim it's a exhaustive list?

someone should rangeban hues

>>12882883
Why?

>>12882880
His selection evidences his literary gaps, and they are enormous.

>>12883128
You're just trying to show off

>Best author of Br
>Born on Ukraine

>>12883284
She grew up in Brazil

>>12883284
She is not the best author of BR and she grew up in Brazil. She arrived at the country when she was 2 years old

Clarice Lispector, Machado de Assis, Paulo Coelho and Aluísio Azevedo are memes that need to die.

>>12883336
Machado isn't a meme, you retard

>>12883336
Neither Clarice, nor Machado not Aluísio Azevedo are memes. You're a retarded. She isn't bad at all. And, my god, if you can't see the genius in Machado, you're not fit for literature.

>>12883339
Machado is shit.

>>12883346
O Cortiço is shit.

>>12882672
What is her best book? I want to read her work now.

Thanks for introducing me to a good female writer who doesn't write in English.

>>12883366
https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/if-you-were-to-read-one-clarice-lispector-book-which-should-it-be-1.1861874

>>12883366
The most reviewed one in goodreads is this one so it's probably this one

>>12883376
>Clarice had to live with the possibility that her mother conceived her as a cure for the disease. She said she carried the guilt of her mother’s death with her for the rest of her life.

WTF is this nonsense? Are her books full of such self-pity too?

>>12883388
Thanks, anon.

>>12883376
This is a terribly written article. You could've at least warned me.

>>12883396
There's also this one. According to wikipedia
>Its canonical status was recognized in 1988 by its inclusion in the Arquivos Collection, the UNESCO series of critical editions of the greatest works of Latin American literature.[1]

>>12883416
>premier Latin American woman prose writer
>woman prose
WTF is that?

I dunno man, the more i read about her the more i think she's overrated. I guess i'll have to read her to find out.

Thanks anyway

>>12882809
You probably are. Do you have nigger blood?

>>12883426

Just bad translation of the Wikipedia article, not that "woman prose" is a thing, but that she was a woman and wrote in prose

Go read The Hour of the Star, it's great

>>12883336
>Machado de Assis
>Aluisio Azevedo
>memes

Authors aren't memes just because they made you suck at highschool/vestibular

>>12882702
She wasn't pretty

>>12883961
Nah ur wtong

>uppity macaco at it again with his copypasta
monkey be glad someone gives a shit about anything from your shithole in the first place

>>12883972
she's sort of pretty?

Nice Bolano rip off OP

>>12884146
>bolano rip off

How? She wrote her first book in 1943 and her last one in 1978. Bolaño published his first novel in 1993

>>12882672
Yeah but who cares what Brazilians think

>>12885254
You know the people producing the literature maybe just maybe might be in a better position to judge their own literature than outsiders. I know, I know such an extreme idea!!

>>12882672
This often happens with authors from a particular country. Edgar Allen Poe is considered an influential, high-brow, proto-modernist writer by a lot of Europeans, but he's generally thought of as entry-level by Americans.

>>12885266
>replying to low effort bait at all
>replying to low effort bait with exclams

>>12885018
He's saying OP ripped off Bolaño. Maybe it has to do with Bolaño's dismissal of Octavio Paz.

>>12883972
Everyone gets ugly when they grow old.

>>12886654
She cute. Fun thing: she lived her formative years in my city. There's a life size bronze statue of her in front of her old house (which is, sadly, pretty much abandoned).

>>12886654
>>12886669
She turned into a bitter hag once she got old. Look it up on youtube.

>>12883353
escuta aqui seu filho da puta, é melhor você começar a sustentar seus argumentos para o tanto de bosta que você tá digitando por linha seu anacefalo do caralho

>>12886733
eu nem me esforçaria em responder um reply ridículo desse. Quem faz uma declaração dessas não merece consideração.

Meio fora de tópico: existe um chan brasileiro?

>>12886654
Beauty belongs to the youth

>>12887939
shut the fuck up

>>12886669
Oi, vc é recifense?

>>12887908
Nem queira

>>12882672
>>12882675
Absolutely basão
BR PRIDE WORLDWIDE

>>12882675
>untalented carioca junkie from the 80's whose name does not deserved to be mentioned.
is she A.M.M. ? its probably because she went into "exile" in the 70s, now more than ever it gives any bum a hero status.

its like the BR lolocaust, or huelocaust

>>12887902
Se tu é o cidadão que tá falando merda de Machado, por favor, tá passando vergonha.

>>12888021

>>12887908
O treco em Suzano saiu de um. Como outro anão disse, nem queira. Só a nata da merda frequenta chans brasileiros.

>>12882675
>Denying Clarice's talent because she's more marketable than Hilst or obscure poets
Anon please don't be a pseud
>>12887908
I think there are 2 but they're both shit. Full of wannabe ebic 4chanarians. Don't waste your time there.

>>12882672
God this pasta is old

>>12886654
>>12883972
I just found out that she had a lisp with the letter r.

>>12882675
>No one in Brazil thinks so
not an argument

>>12887908 sim, e está cheio de marginais.

Are Portuguese really that insecure about their 2nd (if not 3rd) rate artistic canon ? Maybe op should stop typing and translate some of these local geniuses in a decent language first.

>>12882885
because they post in my board and it makes me mad!!

>>12889744
>decent language
maybe we should translate it to spanish or french or italian or even romanian, then because seeing any romance language translated into such a shitty one like english is a displeasure I'd rather not have.

>>12882672
>>12882675
Let me guess, this was written by a disgruntled olavate.
inb4 commie. Fuck those faggots too.

>>12889774
Sure, don’t care. Portuguese won’t cut it though.

>>12887908
chan brasileiro só presta em momentos cítricos no Brasil. O /b/ no dia em que Bolsonaro foi espetado estava absolutamente magnífico, mas em situações normais é absolutamente asqueroso, como os anons já apontaram.
>banido por forçação de barra tentando discutir literatura só porque dei uma babada nos ovos de J. Joyce

>>12888356
vc é estudante? seria bacana ter alguém do /lit pra trocar uma ideia na federal

>>12890089
>momentos cítricos

>>12882672
She's called 'Brazil's finest female author', you nitwit. And she is good.

>>12890250
não dei nenhuma indicação se tal atentado e suas consequências foram positivas ou negativas, mas negar a importância deste acontecimento é retardo puro, parceiro.

>>12890792
>>12890250
>>12890089
by the way, outro momento crítico recente em que o /b/ estava bacana foi o museu do Rio indo pras cucuia.

>>12882675
>No one in Brazil thinks so,
Speedo wearing, soup de macao eating, hung hue traps I'd suck off (no homo) aren't by any means relevant here, tho

>>12882672
She's Jewish, did you know?

Amber is HOT goddamn

>>12891360
what literary character would you have her play?

>>12886654
>>12883972
She had a lisp with the letter r

>>12891404
Mmmmmmmh honnêtement je me suis jamais posé cette question pourtant je tape que dans les wannabe amber heard des cours florents

>>12891205
OP is a pasta and she is respected in BR, I mean I don't think gringos would know about her if she weren't respected at home since all of her work are in PT but your post is so retarded. Imagine if french people translated Bukowski and only him, read only his book in french and then said "This is THE best writer in the US. Who cares what Americans think?"

>>12882672
It might be because she was a jew.

>>12883389
Yes. She's very disturbed.

>>12890817
>>12890792
Releia o post do limão atentamente

Ariano Suassuna could also be mentioned, right? I haven't read him yet but heard and read a lot of good things about his works, specially Romance da Pedra do Reino.

>>12893141
Ariano Suassuna e Jorge Amado são basões e só incels e metidos a neoparnasianos discordam.

>>12882675
>carioca junkie
Who?
Great post btw, 100% truth

>>12886669
Fun thing: I live 300m away from where she spent her last decades. There's a statue of her here too. Also, one of my family members had an affair with her in the early 70s

>>12893179
Basão?

>>12882672
Based. Hour of the star is milk and honey tier

fucking stupid shithead favela monkeys

go swing on the favela bars u poor cunts

kill urselves

>>12895135

>>12883972
she wasn't ugly

>>12895266
wtf that's not her

>>12895272
Fuck, you're right that's Alice Denham. Sorry for the misinformation.

>>12894396
Também achava que baseado era a tradução oficial de based.

>>12895266
Alice Denham...
Grow up.

>>12895392
Pra mim era basado, nem basão, basõe ou baseado.