/lit/ - Literature

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/exiting-vampire-castle/

then they got him

>>12867021
>The problem that the Vampires’ Castle was set up to solve is this: how do you hold immense wealth and power while also appearing as a victim, marginal and oppositional? The solution was already there – in the Christian Church. So the VC has recourse to all the infernal strategies, dark pathologies and psychological torture instruments Christianity invented, and which Nietzsche described in The Genealogy of Morals. This priesthood of bad conscience, this nest of pious guilt-mongers, is exactly what Nietzsche predicted when he said that something worse than Christianity was already on the way. Now, here it is …

This was the paragraph that killed him I think.

a lack of Evola magic

>>12866998
someone knocked the jug of water onto his lap and it looked like he wet himself

he deserved it tho

He created a hyperreality of systematic capital reality. Happens when you read Marx,
Deleuze and Land's early work a lot. He forgot his own humanity, saw himself as a symbol within symbols and therefore killed himself.

Survivors guilt and being haunted by the ghost of communism

Is this fag worth reading at all? K-punk?

>>12867313
Yeah

>>12867313
He calls himself K-punk because he considers K-pop to be the epitome of capitalism.

>>12867313
Depends on where you sit politically. If you're one of the disenchanted ex-leftists that pop up a lot these days he'll save you from a trip to the alt-right or some other cringe ideology.

>>12866998
Threads like (you)rs

https://theoccupiedtimes.org/?p=12841

>>12867324
I dont care about politics

>>12867338
Probably not then. Maybe read Capitalist Realism because it's short and might be useful when you read other stuff.

What's the rundown on this guy? Have never heard anything by him but apparently he despises Capitalism.

>>12867060
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>>12867350
He's the "future is cancelled, everything is just a throwback to the 20th century like ariel pink, communism's spectre is still haunting us, anti-capitalism is capitalist propaganda" guy

Society not being the greatest for mental health

>>12867455
damn, we do live in a society

>>12867526
Yeah and it probably could be improved to help create a more meaningful existence

>>12867320
It kind of is. Also idols in Japan would be a close second.

>>12866998
His barber

Fisher spent years getting ass fucked by wounded leftists who couldn't stomach his claims about their cannibal identity politics. It meant a tsunami of tears, essentially. Resignation, repudiation, cancellation, every cliche you can imagine from university departments "split" by his politics, to leftist journals, friends, the whole thing. The pill wasn't just too hard to swallow but it was too big for the leftist throat. But this meant he was shat on for years and years, increasingly spending more of his life arguing with ideologically straightjacketed retards. He was already mentally ill and depressed and that kind of attention he wrote that he was essentially scared of sent him over the edge. Compare that with the kinds of answers he was looking at: capital created the conditions for mental unwellness more than anything to do with the brain; the future was radically displaced; the end was stretched out elastically but the future was some kind of plastic contingency, and so on. He was philosophically and socially cornered, politically "exiled," and not as cool as he once was. Keeping in mind that he was a white man at middle age, and his suicide was his fucking fate.

Wall-E

>"Millennial and Zoomers are just Boomer wannabees"

was he right?

>>12867573
well put

>>12867573
I doubt he let critics effect him that much. You just want to play the victim to "sjwism"

>>12867687
I'm not saying he killed himself due to the critiques themselves, I'm saying that the critiques were a way in which he and his relations were split and he became more isolated. That isolation, and the kind of interaction inspired by it, coupled with where he was politically and philosophically and mentally, found him on his last day.
It sounds like you find anti-sjwism everywhere.

>>12866998

>>12866998
The loss of hope.

>>12867573
I think you're pretty much spot-on. Fisher's charming nostalgia coupled with the pain of the lost futures he'd been haunted by all his life while staring down the barrel of an accelerating late capitalism and all the pain that comes with that on top of the social stigma he was put through (for being correct) is, I think, what ultimately pushed him beyond his breaking point.

In Ghosts of My Life he talks a bit about Ian Curtis and his suicide - Joy Division being something Fisher obviously appreciated greatly. I couldn't help but read that section as, well, as something that resonated a lot with Fisher. I'm sure he'd contemplated his suicide through the lens of analysis of the suicides/early deaths of all the musicians and authors he'd gleaned so much from over the years. Really tragic to re-read that book after his passing.

Honestly I've read 3 of his books, and the dude is a total cucklord who aged out of his little social rebellion phase and got disillusioned.

His accelerationist stuff is fine I guess, but also really a shallow analysis compared to other leftist accelerationists. The part I hate the most about the guy is his musical analysis. Literally Boomer-tier "Young people these days listen to shit, why in my day... " -tier garbage. He argues that 2005 didn't have a distinctive sound, he argues that 2010s didn't have distinct new genres and types of sounds in music and that everything was just an imitation of the period he grew up in. Dudes analysis is literally that shallow and through rose colored glasses. He looks at his own musical era with nostalgia glasses on and looks at the current one purely by trying to make huge leaps to compare it to his era. His comparisons are often remote and baroque because his point doesn't actually make sense outside of a few artists that explicitly do the thing he claims 'all' artists do these days.

>>12867932
You can actually tell a lot about society from the progression of music through the past two centuries. His analysis is a bit vague and misguided, but he’s definitely looking at a problem from the right angle. Or are you one of those people from /mu/ that genuinely believes the music being released right now is equal to earlier generations?

>>12867932
What new musical genres appeared in the 20th century?

>>12866998
Your diary op

>>12868055

I don't think that music of our current generation is as good on the whole, but I feel like music does not have to be consistently good throughout history.

Think of it this way, when other people make his same argument in other domains they are often proven wrong. Fishers argument about music is no different than Fukuyamas arguments in the early 90s with his work "The End of History and the Last Man". Look how long that book held up. Everyone who has ever fallen into this argumentative pattern in all of history thus far has been proven completely wrong given enough time.

>>12868061

Wub wub wub dubstep.

>>12868100
90s

>>12868061
Jazz, rock, and the countless subgenres thereof.

>>12868098
He isn't saying music isn't good today, just that it's not that innovative. Like he said it's like the 20th century in HD

>>12867932
I've heard people say he was critical of 'kids today and their shitty music', but I didn't really get that sense reading GoML. Fisher was definitely nostalgic and was certainly worried about the ways that music/culture had been commodified, but I didn't get the sense that he thought music today was worthless. Maybe he was more critical in some of his K-Punk entries?

Side question, but who would you say are the best left accelerationists? I keep seeing Nick Srnicek and Alex Williams come up as like definitive L/ACC but (without having a chance to read hardly anything of theirs) just paging through what I've seen from them I'm not exactly sold on their analysis.

>>12868122
I meant 21st, you got me

>>12868061
Hardvapour
Witchhouse
Vapourwave
Cloud Rap
Country Rap
Trap Metal
Cybergrind
Noise Pop
Freak Folk
NeuroHip
Soundcloud Rap
Crunkcore
Emo Rap

Not saying any of these are good, but I don't think most of this has a comparable equivalent. If you argue that something isn't 'novel' enough please point me to a genre in all of history that didn't arise through either the invention of a new instrument, or through taking elements of another genre/style and changing them slightly. This is how all music progresses throughout all of history. The fact that Fisher seems to think that this generation is somehow new for doing exactly the same thing other generations did by changing style slightly from the people who came before them is silly. This is just how all culture progresses. We aren't at some apex of history.

>>12868129
Not the guy acting dumb about not realizing Your typo.

Mumble rap? Trap? That death grips shit? What is that? Experimental punk-rap?

>>12868125
Just pick of the Accelerationist reader and flip through some of the essays would be my recommendation, I don't think that Srnicek is correct but his analysis isn't too bad. Ray Brassier is probably my personal favorite, but you really need basic philosophical background to understand most of what he is trying to get at.

>>12868147
vaporwave is literally just slowed down 80s music which is exactly the point. There have been some changes in electronic and hip hop but nothing that sounds "out of this world" new

>>12868155
All that stuff does have a newer sound but is still just a stone throw from earlier genres. It's still part of the hip hop genre just mixed with industrial and punk

>>12868170

Please name any genre that wasn't a 'stones throw' from the ones that came before it without inventing new instruments entirely. I'll wait.

>>12868161
Sweet, thanks for the input. I just picked that up the other day but I've only had a chance to glance through it.

>>12868170
I dont know, man. As much as I agree with You, at the same time I do not agree with You.

I witnessed myself numerous times while falling into depression that lamentation of "other/better times". However, that is another trick. It is about a state of mind, You can be nostalgic about dog poop if You had that state of mind in that moment that I am talking about.

Anyway, what is then innovation for You? What entails novelty? Where do You draw the phenomenological limit between "just a stone throw from earlier genres" and something New?

What concerns me and at the same time excites is, if You and ourlad Mark are right, we are in desperate need of a discovery of something New.

>>12868115

Nah. There was jungle and breakbeats, but not dubstep.

>>12868185
All the genres you know about. None of them came about in the 21st century

>>12868147
you probably never read Fisher because this is exactly the type of shit he complained about

>>12868206

No I'm saying name one from the 20th century that doesn't also fall into that pattern.

>>12868147
The difference between freak folk and psych folk is negligible.

Not exactly sure where this comes from but it's said to measure timbral variety in music. Dudes at least right about something.

>>12868204
late 90's, although adding a wub to your house music is a pretty lame excuse for a genre

>>12868147
>noise pop
>00s
what do you call Psychocandy?

>>12868228
Well stones throw might have been a bad description but there seemed to be a lot more unique derivatives instead of just mix and matching them like we do now.

>muh apex of culture was the 90s
>real 90s kids will remember dis

shut the fuck up you fucking useless turds. history doesn't fucking end in the 90s.

>>12868250
the future was cancelled

>>12868232
i'm 100% sure that's an analysis of top 40 hits or something like that, which says fuckall about the state of music at large

music is a million times more diverse now than it ever was

>>12868250
That's exactly what he is arguing against though.. He wants us to stop living in the 90s

>>12868258
That "diversity" is just mixing x genre with y genre.

Is he the British DFW?

>>12868267
You're entirely right. That was Fisher's whole thing. Breaking out of the system which keeps us trapped in remixes and retro, culturally, politically, musically, aesthetically, economically, etc.

It's really too bad he never finished Acid Communism. It would have been interesting to get a more comprehensive look at how he thought we could escape from Capitalist Realism.

>>12868363
can anyone confirm that the unfinished material for Acid Communism is in k-punk?

>>12868367
It is - it's at the very end.

>>12868393
thanks
shame he never even finished the introduction

"Land was our Nietzsche – with the same baiting of the so-called progressive tendencies, the same bizarre mixture of the reactionary and the futuristic, and a writing style that updates nineteenth century aphorisms into what Kodwo Eshun called “text at sample velocity.” Speed— in the abstract and the chemical sense— was crucial here: telegraphic tech-punk provocations replacing the conspicuous cogitation of so much post-structuralist continentalism, with its implication that the more laborious and agonised the writing, the more thought must be going on.

Whatever the merits of Land’s other theoretical provocations (and I’ll suggest some serious problems with them presently), Land’s withering assaults on the academic left – or the embourgeoisified state-subsidised grumbling that so often calls itself academic Marxism – remain trenchant. The unwritten rule of these “careerist sandbaggers” is that no one seriously expects any renunciation of bourgeois subjectivity to ever happen. Pass the Merlot, I’ve got a career’s worth of quibbling critique to get through. So we see a ruthless protection of petit bourgeois interests dressed up as politics. Papers about antagonism, then all off to the pub afterwards. Instead of this, Land took earnestly—to the point of psychosis and auto-induced schizophrenia—the Spinozist-Nietzschean-Marxist injunction that a theory should not be taken seriously if it remains at the level of representation."

>>12869273
Fisher appears to have been sucked into Nick Land's gaping black hole of exile from academia and 'polite' bourgeois society at large. I think Land even calls this incestuous mixture of academics, religions, governments, corporations, etc. The Cathedral - and my guess is that he sees himself as the gibbering tongue of Nemesis.

What's sad is that Land was ready and willing to live as the outcast, ready for the role of the modern Nietzsche, but Fisher was exiled for trying to point out where Land (and others) were actually correct in their analysis. His attempts to pull people who were either wittingly or unwittingly subscribed to the systems of their discontent got him 'canceled', as the kids appear to be saying these days, and that's truly tragic. Fisher was just trying to help us.

>>12866998
He failed to see the incandescent beauty of it all like Land did.

>>12869786
I miss him bros

>>12869808
Same.

>>12866998
They cancelled the future