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>>12838241
never met this fellow

>>12838245
me neither. i was born an imbecile. my whole deck of cards is fools.

Unqualified Reservations

bloomers are an abstraction, they don't really exist, or at the very least they aren't possible if you're already a doomer, you're too jaded by then you can't go back

that being said... steven pinker

Butterfly if you got banned find a way around it please. Confirm or deny your ages.

36 :3

>>12838245
>>12838250
be him

>>12838245
>>12838250
>>12838315
Absolutely. It's never too late to see the good parts of life. I believe in you Anons.

>>12838245
>>12838250

I'm sure I'd like you both if we ever met in person, anons!

how is it possible to be a bloomer in the modern world?

>>12838333
The simplest change that I've found to have a great impact is to take a step back from the news and politics. Most of it doesn't matter at all and anything that actually matters will spread outside of the news cycle quickly. I can't speak for anyone else, and I certainly have a long way to go, but this change has proved to be a great first step to transitioning from a doomer to a bloomer

>>12838333

I realized that the majority of the things that tormented me were Not My Fucking Problem, and that me being ""aware"" of every single horrible thing in the world changed absolutely nothing. You're not responsible for the fate of the world you're born into. We each get to influence a little area the size of a kitchen garden, on average, so make it a nice garden. That's the world that needs your attention and energy and love, not the "world" you've built in your head crammed full of crimes against humanity.

If you call that irresponsible, I would call you a fool for ever thinking you could shoulder the responsibilities of God. Metaphorically speaking.

Am I the only one on 4chan who thinks pepe and wojak are cringey as fuck.

>>12838478
No. This is a growing sentiment across multiple boards. /a/ and /v/ seem to have strong nascent anti wojak/pepe movements.

I agree with them in part. It is a lower-effort route to take in the pathless land of memeing.

>>12838241
A Personal Matter

>>12838489
>>12838478

I'm fond of them because a lunatic I know insists that Wojak is the Self and Pepe is the Other, and that discourses between the two are the zeitgeist speaking to itself

>>12838489
These savages must be stopped.

Candide

>>12838500
Who is this genius? Although i think it would be more correct tosay wojack is self and pepe is the jungian shadow maybe.

>>12838511

Paranoid schizo, childhood friend. He's only ever 51% serious so he forgot about it after a week or two but I liked the premise so much I've been thinking about how to apply critical analysis to memes in similar ways ever since

>>12838296
Completely untrue. The doomer simply has closed the options he is given with his own pessimism. You can break out of it, get out there and start with building your self through what you enjoy. Once you have made a sturdy foundation, branch out and give what you can to others. When your base of peers is large enough, you will bloom.

>>12838333
ignorance, cowardice and a materialistic need to correspond with the norm. A fear of mental suffering and knowledge of our times and human condition so the person either ignore or doesn't know about it.
Heideggerian Being and reaching Nirvana or blowing out are both achievable though.
But the bloomer is a self inserted desire fabricated by doomers afraid to both look inward and outward.

>>12839567
Would Les Miserables count as bloomer?

It feels like it would.

>>12839536
Learned helplessness is one of a hell drug my dude

>>12838245
Hi there, nice to meet you!

>>12838333
Accept the pain and suffering in this world and your life. You can't stop this, but you can improve your life. You have to fight for it in the face of impossible odds. Each day you will struggle against the grim realities, but you will grow stronger because of it.

I don't consider suicide as an option in my life, so I make the best of the time I have.

>>12839536
lol

>>12838245
They exist

>>12838409
this is something i need to do, for the reasons you mention in addition to others.
simply put, my engagement with current affairs has instilled in me a false sense of superiority. i'm boring, uncharismatic, ungregarious, a virgin, have no hobbies, no drive, no ambition - but i've told myself (for so long and without even realising it) that at least i have a better handle on the news than almost anyone i know.
i say "false" because i'm still a brainlet who only has a superficial understanding of things - it being marginally superior to the average normie is absolutely no achievement at all when i'm so lacking elsewhere
sorry for blog

>>12838296
>bloomers are an abstraction, they don't really exist, or at the very least they aren't possible if you're already a doomer

Doomers are an abstraction, they don't really exist

>>12838478
>>12838489
still better than japanese cartoons

>>12838241
i don't think you can be a bloomer unless you are an idiot in the current world

even if you unironically enjoy things, things are already distributed with a layer of irony around them, so you can't have access to anything sincere that isn't self-generated, so you have to be either an idiot that doesn't comprehend the world or a hermit that avoids it

otherwise you are contaminated with irony which is never sincere

>>12840589
>I'm 19 years old and think my opinions are worthwhile: the post

>>12840595
where can you find sincerity anywhere without a layer of meta-irony?

>>12838293
This.

>>12839567
> Winnie the Pooh

>>12838478
Only if you use them outside of 4chan. I like the characters of Pepe and Wojak and all of their incarnations. But they're inherently tied to the culture of this board.

>>12840598
Shut up kid

>>12840589
>>12840598
If you can't find any sincerity in the world you are looking in the wrong places. You can find sincere people on 4chan of all places. They're rare, but they're there. The world is brimming with sincerity, you just have to choose to look for it.

>>12840598
>sincerity
>meta-irony

ah...to be a teenager again

>>12840709
delusional

>>12840742
I sincerely think you’re a hopeless cause

:3 there’s some sincerity

>>12840742
>t. 19 year old

>>12840589
Why are you looking for sincerity in a world beyond your control? Find sincerity in yourself instead of being a 19 year old faggot.

I feel like there's a common misconception that bloomers are ignorant of the world's problems. This couldn't be further from the truth. Most bloomer philosophy and literature is about learning to happy in the face of suffering--Almost as an act of defiance.

There is also the point that >>12840709 raised, in that sincerity does exist. Because we spend so much of our time on the Internet, all we see is an echo chamber dominated by political ideologues and extreme examples. Remove yourself from this world for a moment to talk to people outside of it (preferably people from working class backgrounds). The thing that will strike you about doing this is how people find optimism in the simplest things and have strong and intimate connections with people, and while they acknowledge that their lives could be better they make the most of what they have. It's then that you realise that being a doomer is self-masturbatory navel gazing and is far removed from the realities of day to day life.

Reading too much is bad for you. A lot of /lit/ needs to learn this.

reminder that most doomers are not even pic related level

reminder that most bloomers are pic related level

sun and steel

you are just memeing yourself into disneyland

>>12838472
in other words, read 12 Rules For Life

>>12840391
Never too late to get out there geezer!

bump

>>12838478
You take 4chan a little too seriously pal.

How can i have more energy/an in er well of energy?

>>12838241
I don't get the “turns down sex offers from women he isn't serious about“ part.
Women can enjoy casual sex to, you know? They don't have to be “serious“ about it either and it can still be a great experience for both of you.
And smoking is fun faggot

>>12842332
If you have to ask you'll never know

>>12842332
You can start by getting more sleep, eating healthier, and getting rid of habits/activities that needlessly upset and drain you. It will help you get some pep in your step.

Don't listen to >>12842378 I believe in you, Anon.

>>12838241
Whoever is actually a bloomer was never a doomer to begin with. I honestly think that there is no way out.

>>12840872
>Most bloomer philosophy and literature is about learning to happy in the face of suffering--Almost as an act of defiance.

I thought it was about making shit work. What you say just sounds like Camus' absurdism.

>>12842332
Step 1: Get off 4chan

Go out for walks or get a productive hobby. You need to be passionate about something if you want more energy.

>>12842438
I was in a pretty deep hole in high school. Went to college, made some friends and now i am definitely a bloomer

>>12840626
Right? It shows how bad things are, but it also shows a way out

>>12838241
The Right Stuff

All these ways to escape being a doomer sound so individualistic and self-centered for me. Having devoted all my time to my young family, I don't really get much out of self-improvement, I do wood sculpting as a hobby and while it's a temporary relief, seeing how individualism and the breakdown of traditional values over time have made it difficult to bring up a family, it's hard not to be a bit of a doomer. Americans will say, find a corner of the world where you can live in peace, but as someone rooted to my place of birth, I could never bring myself to do that. I just do my best to accept my lot, but I don't think I'm turning into a bloomer anytime soon.
Blog aside, read some of Steven Pinker's books I suppose, but I would say, it might only resonate with you depending on your values.

>>12838293
i've heard a lot about moldbug on this board, what makes him worth reading? is he a philosopher?

>>12838241
Why is he singing not just a Nazi song but the gayest Nazi song out there?

>>12842473
Then you wasn't a doomer. If you saw me in real life you would see what a true doomer is.

I'm intrinsically bad.

Bloomer
plus (+) 10 pleasure
plus (+) 10 joy
minus (-) 0 cognition

A bloomer tries to minimize suffering.

Doomer
plus (+) 5 pleasure
minus (-) 0 joy
plus (+) 20 cognition

A doomer finds comfort in suffering.

Normie
plus (+) 15 pleasure
minus (-) 5 joy
minus (-) 20 cognition

A normie is suffering unconsciously.

>>12842332
I want to know too

>>12838241
aka the Copecel

>>12838333
RU486 and a bunch of MOAIs

>>12840589
>>12840742
>t.doomer
>>12840745
>t.Slick Bloomer

>>12838241
Crime and Punishment

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>>12838241
>>12838296
>>12838333
>>12840589
>>12841166
i know the bloomer is very much what a doomer thinks happiness looks like, but im still a bit surprised at how many people in this thread see this kind of optimism and happiness as straight up impossible.
the trick is not to deny the bad parts and sink into an illusion but to learn to love the bad parts as well, to see other peoples stupidity and pettiness and accept it as another weird part of this world you love.

>>12838478

>>12844202
i don't see how bloomering is about loving the bad parts, the bloomer pic has no character or grit on his face, just naive optimism

>>12844206
nice facebook post

>>12841246
12 rules for life is a work of shit. It's made to make angsty teens into boomer neo-cons.

>>12844296
>y-your le argument xD

>>12838333
>get a hobby
>get off social media or at least only keep in contact with your real friends
>work out
>eat well
>stop reading outrage sites
>get off 4chan

>>12844206
>>12844333
the absolute state of nu-4chan posters

Being a bloomer is something 4chan autists under 24 can't even begin to comprehend. It's basically the same as growing up. Normies can be bloomers at 20 already.

>>12838333
For me, I couldn't accept the negative of the world and choose to just look away. If you're willing, try and find a job or volunteering experience that attempts to address a single thing you care about. But don't let yourself feel responsible for all the problems going on. I've found the whole "I can't fix the world, but I'm doing my part" makes the world a whole lot easier to digest.

>>12842972
>Only I have seen the dark side of life
>You could never understand the shit I have gone through
>You have no idea what it is like to be me
>I'm intrinsically bad
You aren't special. Many people have seen a darker edge to life. Not all of them act like a pretentious faggot about it.

>>12844291
Why is the optimism naive? Can there be an intelligent form of optimism?

When I was a young man, I wanted to change the world.

I found it was difficult to change the world, so I tried to change my nation.

When I found I couldn't change the nation, I began to focus on my town. I couldn't change the town and as an older man, I tried to change my family.

Now, as an old man, I realize the only thing I can change is myself, and suddenly I realize that if long ago I had changed myself, I could have made an impact on my family. My family and I could have made an impact on our town. Their impact could have changed the nation and I could indeed have changed the world.

>>12838241
>loved by /ourguys/

cringe

>>12844206
>social justice warrior

zzzzz

>>12842972
Stupid nigger, you can't appreciate the things in life if you never suffered in their absence. You don't appreciate gf as much unless you lost one. You don't appreciate your brother's life until he takes it. You don't appreciate a roof over your head unless you have to go without. You don't appreciate tasty food until you have to live on dry beans and rice. You don't appreciate happiness until you experience emotional pain so great it causes you physical pain.
>woe is me, you don't know true suffering as I do
Should I praise the meek, the villain, the victim? What is the purpose of your statement? Suffering begets suffering. Pleasure begets pleasure and suffering. If your conclusion to this is to wallow in suffering, do so outside of the realm of those who seek pleasure in any and all things, petty narcissist. Lord over your kingdom of shit in solitude while you allow their pleasure to harm you. If you wish to find pleasure, you cannot push your suffering onto others.

>>12844827
i can understand being a satisfied 30yo boomer with a stable life, i can't see how one can be a bloomer without being clueless or retarded in the current world

>>12845432
yes, but nothing seems to indicate any depth to the bloomer, just a surface positive disposition, which is fine and all, but doesn't seem to lead to anything of value in the end

>>12838503
Kek

why is he singing German marching music from WWII? that's not very Bloomer-like

>>12842894
Ya he's a philosopher, and he uses funny internet words like "pwned" to get his messages across, check him out

>>12846722
Isn't genuine happiness of great value in and of itself?

>>12838333
Jesus Christ.
I wish people would acknowledge this more.

>>12838241
>tfw doomer pessimist who constantly reconsiders his perspective because things inevitably turn out so much better than you expect
If you anticipate the absolute worst, then things can only ever be better in reality than in your mind. The universe will constantly surprise you with warmth, beauty and spirit where you would typically find cruelty and cold indifference.

>>12846785
is it genuince though? is it just going to last as long as the bloomer doesn't take a good look at the world?

>>12846920
I often wonder if I am tricking myself into being happy and will ever crash. To get out of this, I assume I am, but the deception I have created for myself is so nuanced and authentic that it is indistinguishable from the real thing.

If there was a forgery of the Mona Lisa that was so genuine that nobody could tell it apart from the one Da Vinci painted, whose to say which one is real thing?

>>12846920
So you can't take a good look at the world and leave with genuine happiness? I think you can choose to ignore the main issues and focus on the things you, yourself, can affect.
Buddhistic teachings, pleb

>>12846920
I don't know if I'd consider myself a bloomer, as I never had a doomer phase, but I'm a pretty happy guy. I know the world around me has its issues, and it gets worse in some ways all the time, but it gets better a lot as well. Just being alive and able to experience the good things in the world is enough to make me happy. I don't deny the cruelty of certain parts of the world, but I don't deny the pleasure either.

So yes, I would say it is genuine.

>>12847137
>Buddhistic teachings, pleb
buddhism is literally about how there's no escape from suffering except for following a very strict ascetic path that most people aren't even capable of doing

>>12847205
Yeah the gay teachings
Just pick what seems nice instead of all the negatives :)

>>12847234
that's californian liberalism, not buddhism

>>12838241
Sun & Steel
Way of the Samurai
Hagakure
Book of 5 rings

>>12838241
Let's say this guy exist. What's the main trace you guys admire on him?

>>12838333
listen to this anon >>12838409 and pic related life advice in general, and most importantly, the bloomer is antifragile, so go read Nasim Taleb's Antifragile on how to become one

>>12848072
Serenity

>>12846715
>in the current world
if you're afraid of politics that probably won't affect your life much anyway. and you can't do anything about it.

if you're afraid of technology i think it's more likely the rich buy us off than turn the world into some kind of dystopian hellscape. and you can't do anything about it.

if you're afraid of sjw culture it seems like the pendulum will swing before that really starts impacting your life significantly. and you can't do anything about it

if you're afraid of russian neo-nazi death squads haha eat shit faggot

>>12842373
Smoking destroys your body, casual sex destroys your soul.
It's hard to get over them, but you must do it.

>>12838241
what about go getter recs?

I don't know what the fuck you mean by Bloomer Lit, but I think the best Japanese literature I can find that fits the description is Kobo Abe's "The Box Man," where a man decides to abandon social norms and responsibilities and live his life namelessly inside of a box. It's an interesting read. Otherwise, I can definitely give you some other recommendations for Japanese literature! "Kitchen" by Banana Yoshimoto is a really good book, and you can read it in an afternoon! I also enjoy works by Haruki Murakami, but if he's too mainstream for you, the dudebro samurai Yukio Mishima's "The Sound of Waves" is also a wonderful read. Hope this helped!

>>12844206
I didn't bother to read that, but 4chan wasn't always filled with perma-incels, at least those of us who were incels put effort towards changing that back in the day. Yeah we'd joke about jews/women etc...but we all knew that wasn't why we were incels.

>>12838241
>Japanese
Fuck off you cunt

>>12842965
pol faggotery

>>12848462
literally me
last book i've read was some dostoievski
not very original i know

>>12838241
>/pol/ shit
Anyone who believes in /pol/ tier ideologies is destined for a life of misery.

>t. lefty/pol/ Jewish urbanite tranny barely not suicided
>>12848757

>>12848777
keep singing nazi songs in public. peak optics, right?

>>12848541
That's the thing. New people thought jokes were for real and it all went to shit fast early 2010s. Every now and then you find something great and that's why everyone keeps coming back from time to time.

>vague statement that can be applied to pretty much anyone
>"dude thats literally me!"

>>12838250
Poetic

>Und das heisst...ERIKA!!

>>12838241
I recommend "Kwaidan". it is comfy.

>>12848862
Slight yinnish energy. He is alone in his world. Abused, possibly by his peers. Recommendation: joining a volunteering organization for a humanitarian cause.

>>12842373
casual sex isn't bad per se, but thinking that having casual sex will somehow make you happy IS bad
if you are able to have casual sex without it damaging you somehow, then great - but a lot of people tell themselves this is the case, and are lying to themselves
so this is where it gets tricky

>>12838409
I read some Baudrillard, and it screwed me up and made me afraid of the spectacle, but keeping news in its little box in the corner has made everything immeasurably better. Really is some unnatural black magic poison.

>>12841246
yikes, dawg

Follow the noble eightfold path, train mindfulness daily and I can guarantee you will be a bloomer in a month.

>>12850975
not if you do it right

>>12843563
>hur dur wallowing in my own filth and forsaking the world for not being born as a 10/10 is the only acceptable option
Exceptional faggotry, anon!

>>12838333
making cash with bitcoin bro

Mrs. Dalloway by Woolf

>>12839567
>Not including Epicurus the king of bloomers.
disgusting.

>>12852044
damn, triggered much?

Und das heisst.. ERIKA!!

>>12852044
seems more pleasant to do what you want all day than to spend your life trying to overcome inherent mediocrity and 'maturing' into accepting the inferior rewards you obtain from that, desu

>>12838241
Wilhelm Meister's Apprenticeship

In short, no matter how much of a loser you are, you're going to make it

>>12838524
>He's only ever 51% serious
Whoa, someone else like me exists.

>>12847155
My man