/lit/ - Literature

she needs a good drunken rape

>>12806787
Lmao what's wrong with her face?

Actually yes. Literary culture tends to idolize and fetishize vice.

>>12806787
ahhhh i friggin hate roasties1111

Is that what you want, OP?

>>12806796
Depends on what you read I guess.

>>12806787

so drunk female writers are fine?

>>12806787
Trad conservative here.
Yeah, she is.

>>12806787
Trad conservative here. I think she is right.

>>12806787

This is still the best one:

>It began as a joke. I resented my husband’s book club and its ability to work through doorstoppers like Matterhorn (597 pages) with surprising alacrity, parsing narrative threads while making wild-game chili. Attempting to fashion a rival club, I found my girlfriends fell into two camps: the book-club-fatigued and the time-crunched. Whereas my mom can juggle two book clubs and seven novels on her Kindle, I can barely get through the ingredients list on my jar of peanut butter, with work, a baby and a Twitter feed all clamouring for my attention. And so I convened the Ladies Short-Form Media Auxiliary. We would drink buttery whites, eat cake and discuss magazine articles, YouTube clips and clever tweets. We’d all be on the same page, but that page wouldn’t be in a book.

https://www.macleans.ca/culture/the-busy-womans-anti-book-club/

>>12806787
Is there some sort of gen ed class where twentysomething women have to write an essay complaining about Hemingway and Bukowski?

>>12806827
Women need to FUCK OFF.
I'll murder EVERY SINGLE WOMAN I see. Mark my words. I'll be the Chriscrunch of women. Where can I find women to. Murder? Homeless shelters? No. I want real women. Daycare women. Spare the babies. Teachers, swim coaches, dumb broads with ponytails and hair clips. They're all going to die.

>>12806787
>she

>>12806787
From psychedelics ban to open borders: There's a problem with the way we idolize female-oriented politics.

How are we defining problem and would I hold truck with it while drunk?

>>12806862
Islam bans alcohol and they don't drive trucks so well. Go for it, I say.

>>12806866
Islam invented alcohol, it's why it's called alcohol. I've never been drunk enough to abandon etymological standards even on the nights I back common use dictionaries.

>>12806787
i hate to say it but yes
it's an archetype that needs to die

>>12806796
>Literary culture
Try all art.

>>12806845

I couldn’t care less about women and their thought crimes and feelings crimes
The jails are already stuffed to the breaking point with violent criminals.

>>12806990
>The jails are already stuffed to the breaking point with violent criminals.

And so we bring back corporal punishment.

>>12806849
Yikes

>>12806827
so much cope.
i think the worst aspect in all of this is that she's fully cognizant of the issue and its root cause, yet willingly decides to do nothing about it and stay bitter.

>>12806993
The coloreds would get uppity if we started whipping them again

>>12806787
>she

>>12806787

>>12806827

>>12806795
my guess is botched FTM transition causing irrational hate towards legendary men with more talent in a ball hair than her entire body

>>12806849
tfw you can't remember where you put your problem glasses

>>12806845
>t. virgin

>>12806787
I don’t like that it’s “from Bukowski to Hemingway” when Hem chronologically recedes him. It should be the other way around

>>12806827
>“The Chad Cookout Bookclub” vs “The Virgin Wine Moms Reading Group”

>there's a problem with x
easy way to make a quick 200 freelancing

>>12806787
What is this expression meant to convey?

Who is she and why does she matter?

>>12807222
"Oh. You're taking my picture."

>>12806827
>"And so I convened the Ladies Short-Form Media Auxiliary. We would drink buttery whites, eat cake and discuss magazine articles, YouTube clips and clever tweets. We’d all be on the same page, but that page wouldn’t be in a book."

>>12806787
Yes. Drunk writers are always bad anyway. Cigarettes and coffee make good writers. Alcohol makes hacks like Hemingway and Bukowski.

>>12806827
This can't be real

>>12807256
I like the data moshed version of this gif better

>>12806849
It's like Klaus Kinski raped HBomberguy.

>>12806827
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK

>>12806787
Is she trans or just an ugly anglo woman?

>>12806827
>I resented my husband’s book club and its ability to work through doorstoppers like Matterhorn (597 pages) with surprising alacrity
>I can barely get through the ingredients list on my jar of peanut butter, with work, a baby and a Twitter feed all clamouring for my attention.
>I convened the Ladies Short-Form Media Auxiliary
>We would drink buttery whites, eat cake and discuss magazine articles, YouTube clips and clever tweets.
>We’d all be on the same page, but that page wouldn’t be in a book.
Is this a parody?

if you read at the average pace of one page every two minutes, that's thirty pages per hour or 150 pages per working week, 600 pages per working month. if your group meets weekly you could discuss your progress, thoughts on future developments, characters, intrigue, themea, how those might be explored further, and so on. one book a month for a book-of-the-month club seems exactly within reach.

>20th century anno domini
>being a virgin drunk
>not being the chad benzedrine and barbiturate addict

>>12806827
Well, it's official. I'm joining MGTOW.

Of course she's right. Very straightforward article, boring even. How this could be angering is beyond me. A better article by a Leslie Jamison (an alcoholic female writer!!!) appeared in The New Yorker not too long ago

>>12807003
Based

>>12806845
The Supreme Gentleman of /lit/ himself.

>>12807283
I would say the latter. There is a propensity for certain women to have such a horrendously ugly visage, that any man could only dream of replicating, but no matter how much gender-transitional modifications, can scarcely approach such base freakishness.

>>12806827
fucking hell

>>12806827
>and a Twitter feed all clamouring for my attention

>>12807455
when's the book coming out, Joyce?

>>12806827
you just know those seven "novels" on her kindle are seven "drawn out violent gay sex scenes"

>>12806787
>She

>>12807495

Ebook readers are very often degenerate slatterns.

>>12806827
Women are like this yet will spend half their weekend bitching out Gene Wulfe on goodreads for making Jolenta one dimensional

>>12807542
>Book about sex
>One decent book
>One book about the Lolocaust
Yikers. And this is not the worst I've seen

>>12806827
>597 pages
>doorstopper

This entire excerpt is nuclear grade mediocrity

>>12806827
Why not just make it a poetry reading club?

>>12807588

Stop shaming the dim-witted.

>>12807565
Holy shit I didnt actually visualize how small that actually is lmao.

>>12806827
Hahahaha. I refuse to believe that these women are so busy as to be unable to read for an hour every other day

>>12807222
"I chopped off my dick, now I'm more important than you."

>>12806827

>>12806827
so, friends. She has friends.

>>12806787

>>12806827
screencap worthy post

typical Brit judging based Americans for their basedness

they can fuck off and die

I'm not sure if she's right, since you only posted a screencap of the title page, but I think as a culture we treat alcohol too lightly in general. It's an addictive, dangerous drug with considerable costs, personal and social.

>>12807912
Those are londonshits
#notallbrits

>>12807919
Meanwhile marijuana and shrooms are scheduled higher than FUCKING METH AND COCAINE.

>>12807930
ok I take it back. I've been to rural towns in the UK and they were quite comfy.

>>12807946
All drugs except tobacco should be illegal.
whoever the retard from BIG SHROOMS should be shot and killed for spreading misinformation about how shrooms are healthy because they're natural.

>>12807959
retard

>>12807951
The north of England (Sheffield and above) is lovely apart from the largest cities. Glad you enjoyed your stay.

>>12807959
dumbass

Can someone point me to a piece idolizing drunk male writers?

>>12806787
>theres a problem
The only problem that exists in contemporary literature is that everyone keeps insisting there's always a problem with something.

>>12806796
>>12806935
Please be specific in what you are saying. You mean, "Contemporary Western literary culture and art fetishize vice".

>>12806827
>im just TOO busy doing all this shit i literally invited on myself to have hobbies
The goddamned shitlords oppressing these poor women. If you want more help from your husband, demand it. At worst, you get a divorce and custody battle that likely to end entirely in your favor. At best, you convince your man-child husband to help you more with cleaning his own house and raising his own children.
Stop fucking complaining about this shit like you're a victim for refusing to make minimal effort to affect some king of improvement in your life.

>>12807565
Using page count as a metric for anything beyond page count itself is nuclear grade mediocrity. The formats for printing vary so wildly that page count is not an indicator of actual length or reading time, and certainly has nothing to do with complexity.

>>12807000
That’s women.

>>12806787
Bukowski to Hemingway ..hmm wow a really vast swath of writers there. How the fuck is this hoe paid to write?

>>12806829
Yes it’s called English lit.

>>12806787
DIE ROASTE REEEEEE

>>12806849

Underrated

>>12806872
Kek

>>12808349
Hoes unironically get their entire universe of literature mapped out to them solely by other angry twitter females (and rarely Brads, who read Robert Greene type books).

>>12806827
WHAT TTHE FUCK IS WRONG WITH WOMEN HOLY SHIT

>>12806787
what an ugly fucking woman

>>12806796
Dosto constantly shows how alcohol leads to degeneracy

>>12806827
Not an edgy misogynist but she is not a leading example for women

>>12807222
Is it a tranny?

>>12808651
Back to >>>/r/eddit, tourist.

>>12806827
>mother is a book Stacey
>husband is a prose Chad
>she's the only one wrong
I almost feel bad for her.

>>12808666
Been here longer than you, I just didn't succumb to nihilism and edgy behaviors. I couldn't imagine how you see or treat your mother, sister, daughter, wives, but of course you're probably another bitter incel

>>12808723
Nah, you haven't.

>>12808723
There is no contradiction between being good to women and seeing them as inferior, in fact it is impossible to really do the former without the latter.

>>12808729
At least I was right about the incel thing

>>12808731
Care to define what objectively makes a human more inferior than others?

>>12808651
>>12808723
>>12808733
>edgy
>misogynist
>edgy
>im actually an oldfag xD
>incel
https://www.reddit.com

>>12808729
It's not a race to see who's been here longer. Considering that's the only part you responded to reassures me of the kind of person I think you are.
>le edgy incel and his beloved secret society

>>12806787
I don’t understand are alcoholics not the principal victims of their addiction? Does she think everyone likes Bukowski because he was a white drunk who would switch personalities around women?

>>12808733
Well that depends on exactly what you mean.
>you're probably an incel
This would be true and needs no contest.
>you're an incel
This would be false.

>>12808749
To be quite honest, I stopped reading there.

>>12808237
I think artists and creative personalities across all of time have romanticized any kind of self-destructive tendency.

>>12808748
There is nothing wrong with reddit. It's a lot better than most 4chan boards

>>12808749
You’re so reddit, sweaty.

>>12807000

to be fair taking care of her household and children is more important than reading some book

>>12808743
It's not objective of course, but saying that women are not very good at reasoning without emotion(or more accurately reasoning against their emotions) translates for most people to inferiority. They're also less smart on average, have way fewer geniuses etc.

You don't really need to listen to me, just go read what Aristotle or whoever said about them, the general picture has not changed for thousands of years, even though we are now living in an amusing anomaly where people pretend otherwise. I doubt it will last long, societies with emancipated women don't have children, they go extinct.

>>12808761
So you admit you’re a redditfaggot tourist.

>>12808731
I wouldn't see my mother, daughter, or wife as inferior. Nor would I ever dare insinuate that. Difference in gender does not equal superior/inferior, just like I wouldn't compare apples to oranges.
>>12808758
>>12808748
Piss poor responses, don't bait me anymore

>>12808763
>implying all modern mothers don't look up
"how do I clean my husbands shoes" daily on google and then spend the rest of their days drinking wine and thinking about other men/women unrelated to their lives.

>>12808774
Apples are actually better though.

>>12808774
Upvoted XD!!!

>>12806787
She is right. Drinking kills many good men.
>>12806793
But this is based...

>>12808764
Boring response, no substance or wit. I'm laughing because I don't go there yet you keep bringing it up. Go find a gf, do some good in the world, your disgusting, deplorable traits might vanish a little bit


>>12808787
Case in point , not long before I even started to reply, another tactless response

>>12808774
I deny the objectivity of any human metric and assert values onto people as I see fit to best serve my desired impression of the world.

>>12808792
You are absolutely burning these le edgy incels and their le muh sekret club, sweaty!!!

Edit: Thanks for the gold, kind sweaty!!!

>>12808800
Too much sweaty, cool off.

>>12808795
At least you're honest
>>12808800
Seething , here have another meltdown! On me :)

>>12808778

not sure what kind of social circle you're in. most of the mothers that i know are single mothers that work, or married and work. a full time housewife is a rarity where real people live

>>12808806
XDDDDDDDDD You are absolutely destroying this absolute le edgy incel sweaty!!! You’re definitely not a reddit tourist!!!

>>12808815

>>12808806
I personally think believing in objective standards for anything is indiscernible from being too lazy to think for yourself.

>mfw alcoholic white male
>tfw haven't read the article or the thread

does she mention richard yates or hans fallada? they're the best alcoholic writers who speak to me
i haven't read the thread or her opinions but is she against them too? it gives me solace reading them recognising someone else who understands my reality in an artistically satisfying and empathetic way
does she say this is bad?

>>12808830
What do you feel about morality?

>>12808835
Malcolm Lowry is the goat alcy imo

>>12808774
>Nor would I ever dare
Of course you wouldn't dare, your mother and daughter, and especially your wife, have much more power than you do. Your wife can call the cops any time she wants and get you arrested at her say so, she can divorce you for no reason and take your possessions, not let you see your children and force you pay child support.

Any man larping as a patriach in the West is a laughable figure, outside of maybe gang leaders and other people who don't obey the law

>>12808865
Suppose I am to base my generalization of the entire female gender on the few bad apples I hear about? As if men have impunity from such vices and sin?
Yes, men create and establish a multitude of arenas but women have their place too in the world. That does not place me higher nor lower than another. Power dynamics are much more complicated

>>12808889
You misunderstand me m8. Im not saying most women would do those things(although I dont have any clear notion of what percentage would). Im saying they have the power to do so. This changes everything in a relationship, this power dynamic.

>>12808904
Yes and I as a man can kill a woman with my bare hands, I don't see the point? A woman who would commit such heinous acts like you mentioned are not fit for welcoming arms. They obviously have some issues to be addressed

>>12808841
A fine tool for organization especially when shared willingly by a population.

>>12808913
If you kill her you go to jail, she doesn't have a comparable consequence to her actions. Though you're right that women do live in fear, subconscious or conscious, of men snapping and using physical violence.

>>12808915
How can it be subjective? Killing someone couldn't possibly change in 1000 or even 1000000 years, despite "evolution"
>>12808920
I understand what you're saying, it makes more sense now. However, I still can't appeal to your initial statement because not all women will do that. Just because they can, doesn't mean they will. There's a lot of gambles to relationships but if you ever think your wife is capable of such things, then maybe you should contemplate your choice of women

>>12808938
Are you asking whether the act of killing someone has changed or has the moral status of it changed. Because one of those questions is stupid and the other is obvious.

>>12806787
> she
no

>>12808961
I'm thinking I'm my head that everything that is moral right now is moral forever, therefore it can't be subjective. I don't believe there are examples of true subjective morality

>>12808938
>if you ever think your wife is capable of such things
Humans are flawed, and women are told that that course of action is not only ok, but justified in some ways. Are you so perfect that you will never give her a reason to be angry, to consider doing it? I doubt it. And consideration is enough, the mere awareness of the power existing changes things, creates an imbalance between you in her favour.

Of course if you're both good people, then chances are you will be fine, I'm sure. Many people still have happy marriages. But there are no patriarchs in the west was my point.

>>12806787

I agree completely. I get all of my information from madwomen screaming in bogs and fens, self-titled witches, and hardcore drug addicts with nervous speaking tics. The more felonies she's committed, the better.

There's wisdom out there, if you're bold enough to seek hahahahahafssggzzvzvvx fuck no but could you imagine

>>12808994
Have you ever been in a relationship? I've never had the cops called on me or something involving the law. These girls that do that are in my opinion crazy. 98% of my friends haven't had that happen either besides my roommate who's ex is in fact psycho and claimed he hit her when he never did. These few anecdotes, though I do not want to lessen their gravity nor their commonplace occurrence in real life,is not enough for me to say that women are inferior.

>But there are no patriarchs in the west was my point.
I have no comment on this. I don't know enough about the science of relationships to say anything. I will say that I think relationships work best with certain roles and the carrying out of such roles.

>>12806827
>doorstoppers like Matterhorn (597 pages)
>(597 pages)
>doorstoppers

>>12808858
this

>>12809028
I've been in a handful of 'serious' relationships(Im still young so they were serious as in we lived together but nothing beyond that), and the girls I was with were all on the whole very fair to me.

But that doesn't mean much, that doesn't translate to married life with kids, or to the majority of relationships I would say. Idk how else to put it but I felt like I was sort of 'in control' of those relationships in a way that your average married man just is not at all. Maybe the average woman wouldn't pull psycho shit like that but the thing is she can, and she knows that

>>12809077
Thanks for your civil responses. I am young still too and am in no way claiming I know everything about relationships.
I also felt similarly with my past partners and I just as much hate seeing eunuch males in relationships being pushed around with their tails between their legs at the whim of their wives' screeching

>>12806827
>there are females and soibois out there agreeing with her
I'd continue reding doorstoppers every time after pounding her pussy2bh

>>12806827
lol fuck the incels are right about women

>>12808723
unless you have been here 10+ years you haven't go back to discord tranny

>>12806787
Yeah but it's not limited just to males, but all alcoholics, regardless of gender.

>>12806787
if you do anything creative i expect you to be a horrendous piece of shit with at least a gambling problem.

if you look to a somewhat misanthropic person who likes to spend time in a room alone writing to set a good example for future generations youre fucking retarded.

>>12807492
— Huh, Joyce, me?

>>12808165
Bump

>>12806793
god, if nobody else is going to say it then I will... BASED

>>12809400
Based schizo

>>12809428
No one is perfect but it doesn't mean you should stop trying to pursue what's right/meaningful

>>12806993
We can't just go around beating murderers, rapists, and thieves. That would be inhumane.

>>12806787
Drunk male writer says no

>>12809801
drunk male says no

>>12806827
Every ostensibly bright, young liberal woman I have ever met is like this.
>(Bar/Brothel of Innulus and Papilio); 3932: Weep, you girls. My penis has given you up. Now it penetrates men’s behinds. Goodbye, wondrous femininity!

>>12806787
Yes, he did like a drink or two.

>>12806787
schoolgirls in pantyhose
sitting on bus stop benches
looking tired at 13
with their raspberry lipstick.
it’s hot in the sun
and the day at school has been
dull, and going home is
dull, and
I drive by in my car
peering at their warm legs.
their eyes look
away—
they’ve been warned
about ruthless and horny old
studs; they’re just not going
to give it away like that.
and yet it’s dull
waiting out the minutes on
the bench and the years at
home, and the books they
carry are dull and the food
they eat is dull, and even
the ruthless, horny old studs
are dull.

the girls in pantyhose wait,
they await the proper time and
moment, and then they will move
and then they will conquer.

I drive around in my car
peeking up their legs
pleased that I will never be
part of their heaven and
their hell. but that scarlet
lipstick on those sad waiting
mouths! it would be nice to
kiss each of them once, fully,
then give them back.
but the bus will
get them first.

>>12806787
Physiognomy is never wrong

>>12806787
https://mega.nz/#!ssBwHCQS!ueKOKNGmHofeaAhvaLgu-4fNOt0Mw-zV7BocIWAVFDQ

>>12808237
More like contemporary Western mass culture fetishises vice and nihilism.

This has probably been posted a million times in this thread already, but I'm going to post it anyways because whatever. Western culture in general has a nasty problem with glorifying vice these days. You see it all over, and it transcends race, class, gender, and all the other stupid little things people like this woman obsess over. If it's not Hemingway or Hunter S. Thompson, then it's Harvey Levin or Nicki Minaj. If it's not smug college boys who think they're super deep because they read "The Stranger" and smoke American Spirits, then it's some smug college girls who write blog posts about how empowered their BDSM camwhore blogs make them feel.

>>12810673
Those girls feel empowered to give their sex away because feminists tell them their bodies are all that men want.

>>12807542
Encapsulates today’s world pretty well I think.

>>12810673
Vice is healthy if you can control it, anon. Even The Bible says as much.

This idea that suppression of vice leads to a better society needs to die. What needs to happen instead is for people to find healthy environments in which to indulge those vices without harming themselves or others. Reading decadent literature and camwhoring are among these avenues.

>>12811892
It sounds good on theory and it’s what modern liberals say today. ”It doesn’t matter if they smoke marijuana, aslong as it doesn’t effect you” and all the different combinations of this argument. Yet any group of people who regularly indulge in weed smoking will be found to inhibit lazyness, unproductivity and bad attitudes

>>12806849
She's cute, all the incels here implying she's ugly would probably love to have sex with her :)

>>12811901
>He's

>>12806827
>I'm too busy to read
>Instead we'll lay about and gossip.

>>12810673
Humans like characters with flaws

>>12806787
Would it be also correct, then, to stop idolising sad female writers?

>>12806849
Thats a man, baby

>>12812052
more like Valerie Solanas types,
bitter, pudgy wine aunts.

>>12807959
All drugs should be legal, if you can use them without harming society go for it.

The second you can't handle your shit and you cause an accident, commit a violent crime, or steal, you should be shot.

Ultimate freedom requires ultimate consequences

>>12810332
Creepy

>>12810332
Kek

>>12811899
>Yet any group of people who regularly indulge in 4chan will be found to inhibit lazyness, unproductivity and bad attitudes
*ftfy

>>12810332
interesting

>>12812222
retard

>>12806787
>https://www.macleans.ca/culture/the-busy-womans-anti-book-club/
>>https://www.amazon.com/Ceri-Radford/e/B005QGV33G/ref=dp_byline_cont_book_1

It's the usual, a frustrated female. She has no success with her own writing. So it must be the fault of white men; particularly if said men have success even when drunk.

>>12812271
everyone here is self aware about how awful a coping mechanism or vice this place is, yes.

>>12807588
Because you can hardly "parse narrative threads," or rather, "I really liked when he did this, but later, because of this, when he did this, I hated it!" when discussing real poetry because it doesn't lend itself to braindead dilettantism.

But rest assured, Rupi Kaur was read.

>>12807222
I fucked Ted.

>>12813036
>discuss a work of art with a human being
>gives theoretical aesthetic reasoning for the art's technicality, effectiveness, clarity

>discuss it with a bugperson
>can only discuss art at the level of particular relation; it only has meaning inasmuch as it reminds them of certain memories and experiences they have had

>>12812918

“With a heroine as sweet and naive as Constance...(Ceri Radford's shallow stand-in protagonist)”
—Elizabeth Buchan, author of Revenge of the Middle-Aged Woman

There are thousands and thousands of women who write these books over and over again, stories about women who ditch their husbands and go "find themselves" forever with little to no trouble (and very pathetically expect attractive men to desire these mid-30s broken-in housewives over early 20s students.)
I'm not happy about women blatantly exploiting marriage in the present day, but what I am happy with is some of these women genuinely get what they deserve and turn as fucking ugly as their souls.

>>12807222