/lit/ - Literature

We need a fucking mod or at least a janitor to remove off topic threads. Yes that includes politics of any stripe.
Effortposting is not rewarded with (You)s, it’s much easier to just post a twitter screenshot. And what do they care if the board goes to shit? They’ll go back to /tv/ or /pol/ or whatever.

Poster, Original. Dislike him. A cheap sensationalist, clumsy and vulgar. A phaggot, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. Some of his greentexts are extraordinarily amusing. Nobody takes his grievances seriously.
This thread. His best work, though an obvious and shameless truncation of Luther's "95 Theses".
His previous thread. Dislike it intensely.
His next thread. Dislike it intensely. Ghastly reparative.

>>12805747
The board already has basically no moderation and whatever moderation it does have I'm suspicious of.
I got my first warning in years a few days ago for being "off topic" when I chatted shit (very minimal) about the butterfly tripfag.

>>12805784
I see that butterfly faggot and his reddit spacing a lot recently.
Why is it only the most obnoxious people that feel the need to use tripcodes?

>>12805798
I find the opposite really. Tripfags add nothing. They talk but they don't say anything. They have no insight or wit, they don't have cool recs or interesting lives they're just losers that need validation so bad they'll shit up an anonymous forum by using the name field when 99.99999% of this site would agree it's ability to be manipulated (using it to keep an online handle) outweighs its utility (having a name for a single thread where you don't want impersonators).
Tripfags have always been the worst thing about any board. I'll take dead jokes, bad opinions, and overbearing mods any day over tripfags.

>>12805819
>>12805819
I meant to say that I don't think tripfags are obnoxious people until they don a trip. Before that they're anon and as tolerable as the rest.

fuck you guys, butterfly is alright. and using a name is fine too. you can do whatever the fuck you want here. stop acting like a retarded hive mind you fucking idiots. coming up with rules and enforcing them, jesus christ

this place needs more honest expression, I fear there is quite a bit of the "spiral of silence" going on here - also, 4chan wide - also, internet wide - also, society wide. we have quite a bit of these self appointed enforcers of the self created rules swinging their balls around thinking it gives them more in-group validity. fuck you and fuck that, fucking grow up, grow a pair, think for your fucking self, and then dont be afraid to speak your fucking mind, you fucking faggots

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiral_of_silence

>>12805826
>this place needs more honest expression, I fear there is quite a bit of the "spiral of silence" going on here
All the more reason for anonymity.

>>12805826
You are so close but missed the mark.
>>12805839
Trips add nothing, shit up the place and are a nuisance.

>>12805847
how about you be productive and offer your own, superior opinion then? rather than just express approval of disapproval of someone else's?

case in point. another example of why 4chan is fucked right now. people will jump at the opportunity to shoot someone else down, and because this happens so often, it discourages dissent, discourages people from expressing something that is not currently "in" from discussing. exact reason that everything is so fucking homogeneous now, millions of threads are clones of each other. fuck that, and fuck you.

>>12805747
It is simple, just ignore all off topic bullshit, report but do not respond.

>>12805855
Addition to my previous post about ignoring bullshit.

Don't post unless you have something to productive to add, bitching about 'the state of /lit/' is not better than bitching about trip fags or posting pasta.

>the bible
>start with the greeks
>my diary desu
>pepe meme
>wojack meme
>provocative image of girl
>what books do I read so I can fuck more girls?
>some philosopher guy says everything is meaningless so now I am an unabashed fucking asshole

same shit, different day

>>12805863
this whole fucking thread is about the 'state of /lit/', and how we might improve it, you fucking weeb

>>12805871
And? I am only only one who as posted anything regarding what we can do to improve things, rest is just bitching and pasta.

/lit/ is fucked if that is your attitude.

Threads that ignore and report this sort of bullshit tend to do just fine and develop into interesting worthwhile discussion. To many people here flip out at anything that does not meet your ideal of how things should be, thread is doomed once that happens. It is plain to anyone who bothers to look.

>>12805886
first step to fixing a problem is identifying it, you prideful cunt

>>12805889
Yup, we are doomed.

>>12805886
I'm mostly just fucking with you anon, but also not

what we can do is obviously along the lines of the antithesis of the problems. more fearless, honest self expression as opposed to rigidly imposed and vague rules. less undeserved vitriol towards ideas which are antithetical to mainstream /lit/. less egotistical posturing would be great, too. of course, you can't enforce these things. you can only embody them, and when you see something, maybe say something, to that person, with a clean logic. our posts are only as good as the people writing them, also, so, self improvement is a prerequisite

>>12805893

>>12805893
pull your ass together anon

>>12805898
So what you are saying is the exact opposite of your responses to me?

>>12805901
I didn't choose to be salty, it is just the way I am.

>>12805904
If I do that how will I poop?

It’s time to ban discussions about women, sex and pictures of thots. I love them all but that’s what /b/ is for

>>12805925
haha, basically anon. deal with it you homo

>>12805930
Almost chaste.
Almost bredpilled.
But not quite.

>>12805931
Whats to deal with? It took me 5 minutes to get you preaching my line.

>>12805958
what a redundant, useless fuck you are anon

>>12805971
And if you ignored my shit posting and offered something productive this thread would not be turning out like most /lit/ threads.

Thanks for proving my point.

>>12805977
and yet you are a hypocrite because you could've done the same, but you are a prideful shitty cunt, and I enjoy toying with your red ball sack

>>12805759
>Effortposting is not rewarded with (You)s,
And it shouldn't be, it's not because you spent time and energy writing your shitty opinion that it should get answer.
We need more mods though, there is only one actually, if you make a twitter thread at 9pm GMT you're free to go for 23hours.

>>12805981
I tried that, it didn't work, so I decided to demonstrate the problem, which was all to easy.

>>12805977
anon, it is you who are the problem anon, it is you... it is you...

>>12805826
>turning off your trip so you can make a post whiteknighting yourself
*snap*, my cringe compilation, etc.

>>12805993
You just can not help yourself, I told you all you had to do, just ignore me, but you can not help yourself, you have to get in the last word even if it destroys the thread.

>>12806000
because you aren't doing that in any way, shape or form yourself are you anon...

>>12806006
Nope, just demonstrating my point as outlined above. Just try it, ignore me, don't response, bet I go away.

>>12806000
>>12806006
You two Reddit homos should just kiss and fuck already.

Stop posting clickbait headlines of articles none of you fuckers will read anyway or twitter posts from people none of you fuckers care anyway

>>12806009
bet you fuck yourself in your gay ass

>>12806010
suck me denise

>>12805747
I remember threads like this one back in 2015. So if you thought /lit/ was good in the past couple of years, before its recent decline, just imagine how good it was in 2013. Sadly, /lit/ never recovered after the last presidential race. The old leftist /lit/ was far better read than the faux-Catholic, antisemitic, pro-Trump /lit/.

>>12806010
>>12806014
It amazes me how easy it is to troll this place, I can admit what I am doing and even tell exactly how to stop me, and you guys just can't help yourselves.

As I said, we are doomed.

>>12806029
you're the one who can't help yourself you stupid faggot, so why don't YOU fuck off. do the thing you yourself are demanding instead of perpetuating the very thing you are speaking against and yet speaking from some kind of high horse. stupid fuck.

>>12806014
>>12806029
>>12806038
t. gay faggot homos who should fuck

>>12806038
As I said if you just ignore the trolls they will go away.

I am nearly done though, really did not think you would take me all the way to bedtime on this, but I am sure some troll proper will pop in to that my place.

>>12806046
the type of hypocritical not-self-aware self righteous and indignant bullshit you are capable of is one of the most irksome qualities that human beings are capable of

Bring back the namefags of yesteryears. Despite their circlejerks, they knew their shit.

>>12806051
Just ignore me already.

>>12806054
this is you anon. i know your kind. you're a whole hell of a lot less intelligent and deserving of respect than you imagine yourself to be

>>12806064
I do not really consider my own intelligence, seems like a silly thing to do, as to respect, it is rarely if ever deserved, you have to earn it.

jesus this board really went to shit ever since i stopped posting

How do I become a jannie? time to make lit great again

dunno what to do with Londonfrog tho. I like him but it's basically just spam

All attempts are trying to improve a board is futile. It all comes down to the userbase and you can't really change it.

>>12805784
The board barely needs moderation. The board is slow as it is.

>>12805989
so only effortless posting is ideal? sounds to me like already what's going on. seems like there needs to be MORE effort put into thoughtful posts. these fucked up hivemind generated words - fucking *effortposting* - jesus christ - what are you supposed to take from that? don't put effort into posts or else you are *effortposting*? fuck me

autoban any IP that visits /pol/

>>12805898
You're an idiot.
The 'rules' we are trying to enforce i.e no reddit spacing, no tripfagging is to allow for honest self expression.
4chan needs to have a certain amount of homogeneity in order for true expression. Individualism is not self expression. It's self delusion into a state of thinking "I am 'x', I am 'y'". Tripfags become caricatures of themselves quicker than milk spoils.

If you allow 'no rules, let people be people' you are buying into an idea that people are better than they are. People suck, you could provide us with paradise and we'd destroy it 'just because'.

What we need is a set of ground rules that allow for what we all want out of 4chan. Honest, free discussion that isn't tainted by the 'muh feels' of the real world.

Rules are sufficient for a healthy 4chan.
Even /a/ is struggling.
Asian Moot is letting us all down.

>ban this! ban that!

Just more proof you are all from Reddit. The only things that should be banned are clearly off topic posts.

>>12805826
>Reddit spacing
>Guys Butterfly is so cool he's the greatest ever
Kill yourself faggot

>>12805784
oh boy do you deserve that warning you bag of feces.

>>12806234
you're right

we should ban redditspacing and tripfagging

>>12806234
you saying honest self expression is only possible if it adheres to strict rules is fucking stupid

modern 4channers have a level of fucking stupidity i have not seen anywhere else, it is breeding some real fucking ilk here. and yet you fancy yourselves and your ways superior. fucking ghastly.

authoritarianism approaches more quickly every day

>>12806288
Name a single system that succeeds without rules.
Having rules isn't the issue, it's about which rules we enforce which is the issue.

>>12806295
don't think in fucking systems, this isn't a fucking system. it's people interacting each other through words and pictures. systems have arisen out of this going on long enough, but they need not be enforced "strictly", or even have any rules in the first place

I thought it was generally understood that the spirit of 4chan was spiritually rooted in the irreverence of the early internet humor, and basically anarchy. Instead now it has become a bunch of young men faggots thinking they have everything figured out, nursing inferiority complexes and attacking each other incessantly over disagreements. It's a real fucking bummer. There is something occasionally insightful, interesting, educational, or hilarious. But a lot of it is fucking depressing.

It could be used so much better, and not by sticking to rules, but by transcending rules, is what I would say. That's how memes and shit started in the first place, and irreverent internet humor. It started a completely new form of humor, and completely new ways of interacting, that had never existed before. But now you already want to talk about putting fucking systems on that. That's fucking gay anon. Fuck you.

>>12805747
Cry harder you fucking redditor sodomite. This is 4channel. If you can’t handle the bantz, gladly fuck off.

we could start with jannies not being such fucking faggots

>>12806018
no it wasnt it was just as bad, shut up you faggot

>>12806321
Rules were more strongly enforced in early 4chan than at any other time in 4chans life.

Also given cause and effect and basic physics everything is in and of itself a system within a larger system.

>>12806330
we only have one janny. chill he's a nice guy

>>12806339
he DELETED my popper thread for no reason. didn't even get archived.

FUCK jannies
FUCK niggers

janny get me bans

>>12806341
scientism belongs on /sci/

>>12806346
IT WAS ABOUT HIS RETARDED "'''PARADOX'''' OF FREEDOM" WHICH CERTAINLY DOES NOT BELONG ON /SCI/

Embody the change needed and push onward like a Shonen protagonist.

>>12805823
The change is completely on your side of the fence.
>>12805826
>I fear there is quite a bit of the "spiral of silence" going on here - also, 4chan wide --- also, society wide.
Agree
>>12805839
Nonsense
>>12806330
How about you start paying them
>>12806341
It got swarmed by the poltards. They should have been picked off of it though. The paradox exists regardless of who points it out.

>>12806397
>political opinions i dont agree with
ah yes unfortunately it has been infiltrated by le poltards

>>12805747
Remove all threads that don't start with a nook or author as topic.

>>12806336
Unfortunately you're wrong.

>>12806416
They are infamous non-readers and those that do only read for the confirmation bias. They're are like Christians that only read one thing.
And is that that cop who was caught looting?

>>12806430
You are too cute :3

>>12806338
a system can be defined as:

1. a set of things working together as parts of a mechanism or an interconnecting network.

2. a set of principles or procedures according to which something is done; an organized scheme or method.

you're going off the first definition, I'm going off the second

>>12806430
Do you have a source for these claims?