/lit/ - Literature

>>12800614
I get the point of surrealism, and I can kinda see how it parodies a dream/subconscious, but it never grabbed me, something about it just doesn't seem to be authentic.

>>12800614
Mark Frost's books

Lynch is all-style no-substance shallow obscurantist fluff for pseuds who think art is about being wowed by surreal visual effects, so probably either Finnegans Wake or (depending on your opinion, and despite having some actual content to his fluff here and there by accident) Samuel Beckett, who incidentally sucked the dick of the guy who wrote Finnegans Wake.

You could also try Pynchon, if you want middlebrow shit that pseuds force themselves to think they like because they were told it's supposed to be prestigious.

>>12800718

>>12800614
A sedative should do the trick.

Robert Aickman

>>12800718
Imagine being this wrong about everything

>>12800614
The wind up bird chronicle

>>12800614

This. It's just a short story though. I want more!

>>12800718
Based and nabpilled.

Probably the book it's based on, Crowley's Starchild

>>12800762
Is it any good?
I've read Norwegian Wood and Hard Boiled Wonderland

>>12800718
>pseuds force themselves to think they like because they were told
>people don't REALLY disagree with me, they've just forced themselves to think they do
every time

This series seems to be a random series of stupid shit.

>>12802344
What a critic. New Ebert right there.

>>12802418

Ebert was an Oprah Winfrey-level retard.

>>12800718
Übercringe

>>12802344
That's Lynch's style.

>>12802426
That's still leagues above you

>>12802436

What value does it have?

>>12802446

Whatever makes you feel better about watching random images on a screen.

>>12802447
It looks cool.

>>12802462

So it has absolutely no Aesthetics in the strict philosophic sense of the word?

>>12802470
Not sure what your point is. If you don't like him, don't watch him. I enjoy his stuff because I enjoy surrealist art and contemporaries.

>>12802478

I don't like anything. Liking something just means you are sexually aroused by it. Art is not erotic, it is creative, on the most humble level, which I suppose is what this "art" is. It should, ideally, be set within the context of tradition & also have some sort of craft-like function or techne, either magic or not.

>>12802488
Ummm okay...?

>>12802492

I just don't get how you can sit in front of a screen & for absolutely no reason, watch something for hours. Do you not think rationally about why you do it?

>>12800718
übercringe. Get LYNCHED, faggot.

>>12802499
Why are you on a computer, lol
If I had it my way I would be hiking but it's raining.

>>12802515

Because I get bored of reading. I don't do it all day. I don't post on fourchan claiming that fourchan is decent art, though.

>>12800718
Übercringe. Get LYNCHED, faggot.

>>12802524
Ya okay then

Why was audrey horne best girl?

>>12802499
There are valid reasons to watch films. It's not always going to be the same reason why we read, but there are some overlaps (characters with whom to empathize, narratives with which to identify, etc.)
Obviously we want to be conscious about our activities, but to dismiss watching screens as mere voyeurism is a trope that I had thought we dismissed at least 30+ years ago.
Read Tarkovsky's Sculpting in Time if you really want a better explanation of what film can offer as an art form.

>>12802426
>>12802447
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>>12802524
What's the the rationale of having a blank line at the start of every reply?

>>12802531

Okay, what? Do you have absolutely no ambition of approaching art properly?

>>12800614
guys is it okay if i can only perceive girls in a maternal role to me?

>>12802539
I'm not even going to like
I just can't.
okay?
You enjoy your 4channel while I'm just gonna go watch Lynch's Rabbits so like ummm ya baiiiii

>>12802536

I have no problem with cinema. I believe it has great potential, but it has potential within the matrix of art & not its own paradigm. Literature & cinema are essentially the same thing; techne in the Greek sense. Cinema should be exposed to exactly the same criteria that literature is; namely a rigorous judgement based on tradition, creativity, craft & possibly even magic, all within the matrix of the history of philosophy.

>>12802547

I don't enjoy fourchan. I enjoy pornhub. I just do use the platform since I find it boring to read all day.

>>12802546
No. Move over to the next thread.

>>12802562
o-okay... :(

>>12802539
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>>12802558
How do blanklines at the start of every post relate to tradition & craft?

>>12802552
Except that cinema adds a visual component which allows for it to be contemplated along with the visual arts.
Solaris and Mirror are excellent examples of this (sorry for sounding like a Tarkovsky homer). Some filmmakers take the approach of creating a moving painting, of sorts, with plot and narrative functioning only on a poetic level.
Sans Soleil, for instance, is a text I use in the English class I teach as an example of a visual tone poem (because our language/critical apparatus lacks the exact taxonomy for what it truly is).
tl;dr: Our criticisms are shortsighted if we apply only literary criteria to a medium that is so much more.

>>12802586

Literature & visual art all fall under the same category. There is no demarcation. The idea that there is is a wholly spurious devolution of our present malaise.

The James Joyce extended universe, but Joyce never had a character as good as Dougie Jones.

>>12802597
How long is a present?

>>12802418
kek

>>12802533
She just is.

>>12802664

Since the fall of Late Modernism, I would imagine. I don't think PoMo has a unified sense of tradition, creativity, craft & aesthetics.

>>12802533
I wanna ____ Audrey Horne.

>>12802680
But medium specificity is a modernist meme...

>>12802701

How do you mean?

>>12802597
Sure, guy, we can reduce everything like this (or, more specifically to what you're implying, create sets that are large enough to contain everything under the sun), but constructive criticism demands nuance and specificity.
Sure, I can judge paintings by the same criteria that I hold for literature, but my criticisms would be simplistic, myopic, or esoteric (more likely a combination of all three).
But you seem to have it all figured out, so cheers, mate.

>>12802712
>\n
How do you mean?

>>12802716

Be specific within all fields & apply them to all fields, simultaneously.

Tell me about techneaonon, why does he insert the blankline?

>>12802735
So you're suggesting that I balance on top of a ball, while simultaneously holding that ball above my head?
Sure. Let me get right on that.

>>12803085

Completely bogus analogy.

I am saying all art is one, like Guenon & Aristotle claim.

"Naked Lunch" by William S. Burroughs

>>12800614
Kafka on the Shore

>>12800718
More or less correct.

>>12802533
But you're wrong, best girl is Kelly.

>>12800636

>Surrealism
>Doesn't seem authentic

>>12800718

Give me an example of 'realist' literature that you think is superior.

>>12802317
Appears very well written but also surreal. Nice.

>>12800718

>>12802538
Reddit spacing. The Ebert wannabe is a plebbitor.

>>12802418
He isn't wrong.

>>12803201
came here to say this

>>12802344
isn't it what life is?

That one Bolano story with the guy and his father out in the desert is similar to twin peaks

>>12802611
Sometimes I really want to hate The Return, but then I remember the shot of Dougie looking up at that Sheriff statue and it's just about the best damn thing I've ever seen on TV.

>>12800614
what exactly would a book have to contain to have this

>>12803785
I hate you for not hating season 3.

>>12803905
Well, I hate you for hating my lack of hatred for season 3.

Seriously though, I did actually hate it at first, but the more I go back to it the more I love it.

>>12803785
What's not to like?

>>12803781

Profound.

>>12800614
Crispin Glover's books

>>12800636

>>12802337
It’s the only good thing he’s ever written

hey man check out The Third Policeman, i'm surprised nobody's recommended it yet

the screenplays from twin peaks.

>>12800718
elaborate on that

>>12802533
best girl is fire walk with me donna

~moira~

>>12800614
this scene always makes me tear up.

>>12802538
it looks cool

>>12803782
which one? I'm in the middle of 2666 now and anons have said it reminds them of being lynched. are you referring to the part about Fate?

>>12805435
The saddest part of Twin Peaks for me, is when Laura gets off James' bikes and yells "I LOVE YOU, JAMES!" right before she goes to her death.

>>12800614

Textbook Anglo faggotry, neurotic self-censoring and empty irony, tragically bad - Joyce-DFW garbage.

>>12803351
War and Peace

>>12803905
I hate you for hating it. It's the best thing I've ever seen and I've seen a lot of things

>>12806368
It’s good, don’t listen to that fag

>>12800614
this comes closest imo
also the wind up bird chronicles

>>12805391
no

>>12800614
>Which book can give me the same vibes
just do heroine and listen to The RHCP

>>12800614
What does that even mean

>>12807858
Don’t do heroin :3

>>12800718
so much bullshit in one post

>>12800614
Anything by Philip Larkin.

>>12800718
(you)

>>12806882
good recs

pynch gets unexpectedly surreal with the thanatoids in this book. surprised that part gets talked about so little. it's like this huge inexplicable wedge driven into the realism/hyperrealism of the rest of the novel.

>>12800704
I remember quite liking the Paladin Prophecy back in primary school before I started reading "real" books. O, how far I have come!

>>12805465
The concept in fire walk with me where she says death is like speeding up indefinitely got me the most.

>>12810566
FASTER
AND
FASTER

>>12800718
This is a perfect description of the new Twin Peaks. Visual fluff devoid of any meaning.

>>12802488
P S E U D
S
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U
D

>>12802533
That woman aged like milk, developed a real nails on a chalkboard voice.

>>12804514
That there is no point to it, and it's not entertaining enough to hide that. Dougie Jones is great but the only redeeming factor. Everything else was a waste of time.

>>12800718
>Muh art is about substantial messages
lmao get fucked. Even Plato knew that the poets don't understand the meaning of their own work. Art is about emotion, not deep philosophical messages. If I wanted to learn philosophy, I would listen to some lectures and read some books -- I certainly wouldn't watch fiction for it!

>>12810637
there were low points but the finale was as good as any of the first two seasons' best

>>12802488
Based and Nabpilled (as well as Orson Welles pilled)

What did he mean by this?
>>12810637

>>12805396
Fuck yeah, im with you on that 100%

>>12810687
Read nigga, nothing complicated in that post.

>>12810656
I gave up right before the finale.

>>12810754
well that was silly

>>12800614
Is that, dare I say, General Hammond himself?

>>12807895
it means what it means

>>12802317
weird wtf did i just read

>>12811951
which is

>>12811275
Gould?

>>12810653
Low IQ post.

>>12813722
means you're stupid for not understanding surrealism

>>12813749
Brainlet cope.
I bet you think Dosto is a serious philosopher.

>>12800718
>all the "cinemaphile" pseuds dashing themselves on the rocks of this post

lmao

>>12814873
>cinemaphile
cringe

>>12813749
Every great work can be easily situated within some kind of aesthetic theory, but that doesn't mean it was written with theory in mind. Most great artists, when pressed to explain, do so very poorly. Every read "Sculpting in Time"?

>>12800614
TP is modern surrealism, basically

>>12803351
brothers k
crime and punishment


The good in surrealism comes from it mystic roots, but it lacks the asceticism of the desert fathers. breton, or cocteau could never stand up to the creative power that st jerome or anthony had. They sacrificed their vices to escape the world but the surrealists tried to bring theirs with them.

I'd say Lynch rides the line between these two forces.

>>12800718
/thread

>>12802317
I found more here. Page 17:
https://issuu.com/noahmagazine/docs/noahissue2

>>12818742
>https://issuu.com/noahmagazine/docs/noahissue2
fixed it for you

>>12820041
Nice. Where/what from?

>>12802682
HONK

>>12820798
she has a gofundme atm cause of a fire in her apartment

>>12820816
still burning

>>12800614
John Green novels.

>>12821475

>>12800614
This one.

>>12802418
I actually started laughing when I read this

>>12820798
still would

>>12803785
>but then I remember the shot of Dougie looking up at that Sheriff statue and it's just about the best damn thing I've ever seen on TV.

i bet you also like capeshit, right?

>>12821817
Third Policeman has a point and was innovative. Lynch is a visual surrealist a century after surrealism was innovative, lol.

>>12800718
sneed

>>12820816
Hey, you aren't joking.

>https://www.go.fundme.com/starting-over-godfundus

>On Sunday late afternoon our apt caught fire from an electrical problem with our dryer. Our landlord is liable but is doing nothing. We are out of a home and all of our belongings are permeated with horrible smoke and soot. The fire chief and fire investigator deemed it a total loss. We are now in a 1 room extended stay trying to figure out our next steps. It’s scary. We are praying to God to guide our steps as we figure out how to move forward. We don’t even have clothes as everything, every single things smells so bad. Any help would be so appreciated. May God bless you and keep you. With love and light, Sherilyn, Myles, Christian and our pups who we managed to save Greyson, Samson and Delilah

She should move in with Lynch and the dwarf guy. That would be comedy kino.

>>12800718
cringe or bait, can't decide which one right now.

>>12810653
>Art is about emotion, not deep philosophical messages
FUCK this is based. Someone recommend me texts to read on this idea.

>>12820716
Noah. Literary magazine.

>>12803097
you sound like you read a little bit of aristotle & want to be him but you didnt read enough (depth or breadth)