/lit/ - Literature

Dark ages was a myth. Technology not only advanced, but philosophy did which stressed proof and rigor above all, laying the ground work for the scientific method. Without these "dark ages", we would be in a perpetual early-civilization, real dark ages.

Christianity did cause this btw. the religion forbidded experimenting on bodies so they couldn't cure plagues and lots of people died

>>12791772
https://goingmedievalblog.wordpress.com/2017/05/26/theres-no-such-thing-as-the-dark-ages-but-ok/

Blind scientific advancement led us to the destruction of our world, and then scientists have the gall to turn around and scold everyone else for ruining the world through some supposed ignorance.

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>>12791788
yes, in the name of the 3-headed god, praise jesus, i get it.

>it's an OP is a retarded faggot episode

Just because Christianity's rise corresponded with the collapse of Rome (and the subsequent "dark age"). You science nerds should be familiar with this concept (correlation is not causation).

>>12791772
This chart is genuinely depressing.

Do you ever realize just how much knowledge the library of Alexandria alone contained? Knowledge that the ancients deemed essential to all civilization. And yet christian mobs and rulers burned it because it didn't go along with their special book.

fuck anyone who ever says christcucks are defenders of tradition and literature.

R. I. P. Hypatia

>>12791799
>yes, in the name of the 3-headed god
Inability to comprehend omnipotence, omnipresence and existence outside of temporal, time-bound, and spacial concerns and human catagories, is the sign of a brainlet. The Christian God, is perfectly compatible with Plato's notion of God.

>>12791788
This
The dark ages are a fabrication invented by post revolutionary modernists to slander the medieval era as ignorant and oppressed when in fact it was more enlightened, philisophically and spiritually, than the atheistic materialistic ressentiment fuelled democratic era

>>12791813
It really, really isn't lol. Plato's God wasn't a personality who'll cast you to an eternity of torment for not believing in it, or grant you an eternity of paradise because you did so.

>>12791805
Who's Hypatia?

t. historylet

also I thought it was Turks/Muslims who burnt the Library down, but again, I'm a historylet

>>12791862
>Hypatia[a] (born c. 350–370; died 415 AD)[1][5] was a Hellenistic Neoplatonist philosopher, astronomer, and mathematician, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, then part of the Eastern Roman Empire. She was a prominent thinker of the Neoplatonic school in Alexandria, where she taught philosophy and astronomy.[6] She is the first female mathematician whose life is reasonably well recorded.[7]
>Towards the end of her life, Hypatia advised Orestes, the Roman prefect of Alexandria, who was in the midst of a political feud with Cyril, the bishop of Alexandria. Rumors spread accusing her of preventing Orestes from reconciling with Cyril and, in March 415 AD, she was murdered by a mob of Christians led by a lector named Peter.[8][9]
>Hypatia's murder shocked the empire and transformed her into a "martyr for philosophy", leading future Neoplatonists such as Damascius to become increasingly fervent in their opposition to Christianity. During the Middle Ages, Hypatia was co-opted as a symbol of Christian virtue and scholars believe she was part of the basis for the legend of Saint Catherine of Alexandria. During the Age of Enlightenment, she became a symbol of opposition to Catholicism. In the nineteenth century, European literature, especially Charles Kingsley's 1853 novel Hypatia, romanticized her as "the last of the Hellenes". In the twentieth century, Hypatia became seen as an icon for women's rights and a precursor to the feminist movement. Since the late twentieth century, some portrayals have associated Hypatia's death with the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, despite the historical fact that the library no longer existed during Hypatia's lifetime.[10]

>>12791800
pls post litrature on the Finno-korean hyper war.

>>12791904
pls be kidding around and not be so dumb as to miss the point of the image like this

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>>12791897
She was more of a compiler and teacher than a creative thinker.

>>12791856
Neither is the Christian God

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>>12791911
But also I think it has to do with the construction of the finnish language and maybe patton's quote about slavs being asiatic. That's my best guess butI'm pretty sure /his/ made the meme so maybe they could tell you. It is just a joke though, there's no literature.

>>12791911
i think you will find that the dumb faggot, is you

>>12791919
So it's okay if I don't read the Bible, accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, and join a Church? I can reject all of these without consequence? What's Christianity even about, then?

>>12791904
the Finno-korean hyper war? fuck that, post literature on the Centaurian Expansion.

>>12791940
Well not reading the bible and posting on /lit/ is retarded. The belief in Jesus Christ for me came after the dawning certainty that the devil is very obviously real and in control of this world.

>>12791805
I believe you'd find even better stuff on library of Vatican

>>12791772
neighbor this best be bait

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>>12791788
>muh manuscripts
>muh improved agriculture technics
Ya, real great trade off, surly the Mediterranean late antiquity which was already potiently verging upon an industrial renaissance before the Roman-Imperialized Christian genocide fucked that up couldn't have competed

>>12791950
But do I need to accept Jesus to escape hell, or am I totally fine without any movements towards Christianity?

>>12792023
I think since you know about it you're basiscally fucked. Its pretty clear that satan is worshipped by the people with the money and power. It's not like you're sentinalese. Good luck man, you're probably young, not gonna die soon. Try not to be too much of an edgelord faggot out there.

>>12791772
I genuinely wonder this. Think of how much the Renaissance improved the West, and how it wouldn't have even been needed if Christianity never removed the Greco-Roman ethos in the first place. What, then, would have happened after 1AD? What would we have seen? What would the modern West, and world in general, look like?

>>12791950
>devil is very obviously real and in control of this world.
Where is he?

>>12792036
Great, well now you contradicted yourself. You said the Christian God doesn't send people to an eternity of torment, and now you seem to be implying something like it. If your only concern is Satan, don't worry, I have many other benevolent deities I can seek the protection of.

>>12792078
Everywhere

>>12791950
but why some Jew and not Saoshyant, the real saviour? It is illogical.

>>12792036
Also I know what you're referring to - the Illuminati, symbolism, pedogate/global pedophile cult, politicians, Rothschilds, all of that. I've looked into it myself. But I don't think one needs Jesus alone, and it's worth mentioning too that the Vatican is at the very center of that evil network. As long as you're aware of dark forces, and are aware of how to seek spiritual protection under ones of light, then you're good.

>>12792084
>You said the Christian God doesn't send people to an eternity of torment
I never said that and will willingly supply contradictory verses. What are you even talking about?

>>12791919
Is the above not you?
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>>12791772
Thanks to the Muslims art, technology, science and culture advanced in the middle ages. Islam is one of the foundations of Western Civilization after all. You wouldn't even be able to "start with the Greeks" had it not been for the work of many Muslim scholars.

>>12792103
No

>>12791976
Except there was no system or great means of testing, debating scientific or technical knowledge. Without a method of inquiry, and means of testing the validity of ideas, they often died with the owner. The steam engine was invented in Ancient Rome numerous times but never took off. Let us not forget also that slavery was in full force which meant labor saving devices weren't really needed.

>>12791779
The dark ages was a myth in that only the Western half of the former Roman empire was effected and the rest of the world was doing just fine. That being said there was a "radical material simplification" and as a result there was a significant lack of scholarship

>>12792109
My mistake, then. When you earlier said "I think since you know about it, you're pretty much fkd", I thought you meant "since you know about the Gospel, you're fkd if you don't repent and accept Jesus as your savior, you'll go to hell". We are somewhat aligned on the nature of our world. My only question is whether there really IS such a being/force as "Satan", which corresponds to the one spoken of by Jesus/Bible, or if there are messed up people in our world who are roleplaying as such and using such classic names of evil for their own groups, and the relevant symbolism and so on. I'm not sure if there's truly a "spiritual war" between Biblical God/Satan, or if there's simply evil groups at work in our world who are invoking such references for their own amusement. Either way, I'm not becoming Christian, or accepting Jesus as my savior. But I'll keep my eyes out for what's going on out there. /x/ redpilled me too hard

(CERN, Gottherd Tunnel, I know the gist of it)

>>12792107
The Islamic Golden Age occurred in the shadow of Christianity. The climax of Islamic practice is what we see today.

>>12792138
>When you earlier said "I think since you know about it, you're pretty much fkd", I thought you meant "since you know about the Gospel, you're fkd if you don't repent and accept Jesus as your savior, you'll go to hell"
I did. I think you're a newfag who is bad at imageboards. That's fine. These are my posts ITT
>>12791800
>>12791950
>>12792036
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>>12792099
>>12792109
>My only question is whether there really IS such a being/force as "Satan", which corresponds to the one spoken of by Jesus/Bible, or if there are messed up people in our world who are roleplaying as such and using such classic names of evil for their own groups, and the relevant symbolism and so on.
At this point I think you should be asking yourself if this kind of distinction even matters and never stop learning.

>>12792107

>>12791916
Compilers and teachers are underrated, desu. It's thanks to them that we can even read about some old athenian dude intellectually molesting innnocent citizens in the forum some 2400 years ago.

>>12791797
Our world is the best it's ever been for humans and if people could get on board with a carbon tax we could keep it that way.

>>12792171
yes, we truly do live in the best of all possible worlds

>>12792171
>Our world is the best it's ever been for humans and if people could get on board with obliterating all shitskins and slant eyed bugs off the face of the earth with the dawn of automation we could keep it that way.
whoa anon, pretty radical idea. Just crazy enough to work.

>>12792089
Is christianity dead?

>>12792171
They just recently made a pigman in the lab. Half pig, half man.
But no, you’re right. It’s the best world cause we all get to watch Netflix and play video games.

>>12792228
what

>>12792237
Whhhhaat??? I thought that was only something in my adult cartoons and creepypastas :((((

>>12792072
The Christian dominated Middle Age was instrumental in the birth of the modern scientific method and also in the creation of the modern evidence-based inquiry method in courts and plice investigation.

It's impossible to guess what would have happened without it, and it's dubious the "Greco-Roman ethos" (whatever that is) would have ushered an era of tremendous progress. This is just politicized pseudo-history and OP is even more of a retard than usual.

>>12791800
>/mu/

>>12792096
The fact that you include the Rothschilds among the few keys element of that darkness network when they're just a washed-up family of rich fucks who've been dwarfed by modern banks shows how little you actually understand about global power in the contemporary.

>>12791772
Christianity was inevitable and spawned directly from Hellenism, just like how widespread nihilism in the West was inevitable and spawned directly from Christianity.

>>12792239
I'm not the person you were replying to you fucking moron

Now give us a link to your bullshit

>>12791772
How do you quantify scientific advancement?

>>12792222
For everyone paying attention to philosophy since the Renaissance, it is.

>>12792228
Hi Alex Jones. Yes the human-pig hybrids will come for us all and eat our faces like truffle

>>12791904
my diary

>>12792318
More like they'll factory farm organs and tissue.

>>12792251
What will spawn from nihilism?

>>12792089
to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to find him...

>>12792343
Another life-affirming cult that will spawn a Renaissance before fizzling out into nihilism again.

>>12792391
>before fizzling out into AI code-based morals for a few million years

>>12792379
But where?

>>12791772
Atheism is so gay even the ironic troll posts are old.

>>12792250
Owner of more than 167 banking institutions worldwide, more wealth than any public record will ever reveal of, and purportedly among the select 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati whose roots travel back to ancient days, possibly even before the Flood, their Red Shield had the Star of David before they later branded it on Israel (a nation they helped make), the recent unexpected celebrity named James Alephantis was revealed to be part of their family and the recent events of Pizzagate therefore likely connected to them, the Star of David flashed in the background projection of the 2018 VMA's during Ariana Grande's performance of "God Is A Woman", I really could go on and on. But I won't, because you just-now called them "washed-up", and I'm sure that makes it so. Don't be shy though, if you think yourself to know things do share your knowledge with the rest of us.

>>12791805
library of alexandria is a meme, its destruction didn't really set back civilization as lots of it was records etc.

>>12791805
Library of Alexandria was in decline ever since Ceasar burned it down in 48 BC.
It was certainly dismantled by the end of 3rd century AD:

"In 272 AD, the emperor Aurelian fought to recapture the city of Alexandria from the forces of the Palmyrene queen Zenobia.[92][76][3] During the course of the fighting, Aurelian's forces destroyed the Broucheion quarter of the city in which the main library was located.[92][76][3] If the Mouseion and Library still existed at this time, they were almost certainly destroyed during the attack as well.[92][76] If they did survive the attack, then whatever was left of them would have been destroyed during the emperor Diocletian's siege of Alexandria in 297."

>>12791779
Then why is OPs graph missing all those units of scientific advancement during the dark ages?

>>12792284
the y axis

>>12793426
Because it was biased and constructed by someone with a disdain for the period.

>>12791779
yep, and people almost entirely overlook the fact that science was declining throughout almost the entirety of the classical period. Strange how Plato, aristotle, etc could be read for hundreds of supposedly golden years of the roman period without igniting anything bigger but then after a few hundred years of "dark ages" cause the spark of the modern era

>>12792171
peak boomer achieved

>>12793754
based

>>12791772
>>12791800
>>12791965
What units is the vertical axis in? How many "scientific advancement" are we at right now?
Please respond.

>>12792244
Wrong Mu, retard

>>12795168
This exact graph is arguably the most used meme on /his/, so do not expect any response

>>12791904
>>12791942
the Golden Oecumene

>>12791772
it is true that a lot of stuff was lost and then later rediscovered like screw pumps and concrete, but that happened all the time before the printing press and related to horses, metalworking and boats all progressed a ton. The only thing that arguably did regress was ideas about government.

>>12791805

>>12795168
It's in pixels. I think we're at about 300 right now, though I'm not sure the graph is updated.

>>12791779
based and redpilled

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>>12795399
kek, I remember this book

posting a reply with 'muh' isn't an argument

>>12795809
>muh muh

>>12792536
lol

>>12795399
This is an actually decent intro to Camus style Absurdism