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Soulcatcher a waifu

Anyone got a good list of pre-Tolkien fantasy? I bought The Worm Ouroboros and Lud in the Mist this month.

Any good fantasy novels where occult magic shit is actually real? emphasis on good

>>12762650
Always good to read the og myths and legends it’s all based on. eddas, beowulf, etc

>What's your age?
24
>How long have you been reading SF/F fiction for?
Probably since I was 7 or 8? I think that was around the time my dad gave me a copy of The Hobbit and I got into Animorphs at the school library.

>>12762643

>>12762665

>>12762643
hnnnnngggghhhhhh

>drop Wheel of Time
>Start Malazan
>life improves 15%

Why aren't giga chads like Conan popular anymore while cucks like Kvothe and moody little fags like Kaladin are considered top tier fantasy protagonists by modern standards?

>>12762700
Because your average fantasy reader can relate to being friend zoned or being a miserable little bitch all the time. The authors are not trying to write good characters, they're trying to write characters that their neck beard readers can relate to.

>>12762698
I don't know who can genuinely read WoT today, as an adult, and enjoy it as is. You could probably excise 60% and improve it in the process.

>>12762700
trends. also, conan's style of sword and sorcery fantasy didn't catch on as much comparative to later fantasy works. there's also a point to be made for relative morality and edgelords.

Are the other books beside Dune that are in the Dune series worth reading?

>>12762729
I’m enjoying it, anon

>>12762729
>enjoying reading

>>12762650
Gormenghast, first two books are amazing.
Phantastes.
A Voyage to Arcturus, which is weird as fuck.

>>12762700
Overtly masculine protagonists don't seem popular anymore. Softer protagonists with massive flaws whether physical or mental seem to be all the rage now. Conan had flaws of course but he'd usually either just sneak, fight or fuck his way out of a situation.

Personally I'd like to see a new barbarian hero in the same vein as Conan gain popularity with the current fantasy fanbase but like the anon above me mentioned that trend sailed a long time ago.

>>12762747
>as an adult

SCIFI: Sucking Cock In Fictional Invironments

>>12762784
why would a kid enjoy it more? it’s kind of dry sometimes

>>12760217
Yeah they are better than the generic U.K. covers for sure.

What are some good cuck fantasy

>>12762813
kingkiller

I'M GONNA SAY IT

>>12762823
DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE

What if a fantasy series but written with heavy phenomenology influence

>>12762643
who?

>>12762813
Assassins apprentice

>>12762797
You tell me

>>12762813
All of it

With all the Conan posting in recent threads, I've realized I've never actually read Conan. My only exposure to the character is the 1982 movie and a comic here and there. Guess I'll give it a shot.

Book report time! So here we have Conan and the Emerald Lotus which I've seen touted as one of the best (if not THEE best) Conan pastiches. Since I've only read REH's Conan stories and one other Conan pastiche (KEW's Road of Kings) I can only compare it to those and I must say.... it was quite good. In fact I might even say it was better than Wagner's Conan pastiche even though I prefer the darker tone and Conan's characterization in RoK, but Emerald Lotus had a constant forward motion to it with not much padding and there was simply MORE going on in this story than in Road of Kings. Also if you prefer your Sword & Sorcery to have lots of sorcery in it then I highly recommend this book. At first I didn't care for the depiction of sorcery in this novel because it felt too much like your typical epic fantasy display of sorcery, but it makes sense given the major plot point of the story (sorcerers taking a drug that makes them more powerful). Even if you're not a big Conan fan I'd still recommend this book because it's a solid and enjoyable fantasy story anyways.

>>12762823
you won’t

>>12762884
MAGICAL REALISM IS JUST GENRE FICTION THAT PEOPLE ASSIGN UNNECESSARY PROFUNDITY TO
THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY LESS ENJOYABLE TO READ, BUT YOU CAN'T PRETEND IT'S SOMEHOW ELEVATED ABOVE ANY OTHER FORM OF FANTASY

>>12762829
That's a really interesting question. I don't know any book or series that is explicitly written with phenomenology in mind but any fantasy series without a too rigid magic system does at least touch upon it. I mentioned A Voyage to Arcturus in a previous post, the book deal heavily with how the main character perceive things and how his experience and thoughts change as he rapidly develop and lose various organs.

>>12762813
My diary desu

>>12762629
>25 years
>26 years

>>12762798
>better than the generic U.K. covers
I suppose so but thats not saying much, some of the covers have been laughably bad.

The line up is as follows:
1) U.K. Children’s
2) Bloomsbury Signature Edition (U.K.)
3) U.K. Adult’s
4) New U.K. Adult edition
5) U.S.
6) New U.S. edition
7) Swedish
8) Dutch
9) French
10) Dutch pocket edition
11) Danish
12) Italian
13) Finnish
14) German
15) Japanese
16) Spanish
17) Chinese
18) French adult
19) M. S. Corley Edition (fan-made)
20) Ukrainian
21) German adult

>>12762629
>AGE EDITION
The data mining bot that is embedded into outer li has found it's way into sffg.
Don't give it any data.

>>12762813
Most stuff written by women.

>>12762420
its not even that grimdark except a couple of scenes. its mostly a military novel about a band of mercenaries. its pretty based
>>12761661
right? im also moving on to the next book
>>12762343
darling is definitely my favorite character

We arent supposed to be talking about this yet though!

>>12762980
i have the drawn german covers. i dont like the german version though. i read it when i was a kid and my english was shit. nowadays i prefer the english version of the books.

>>12762992
The good old love triangle.

>>12762650
Lord Dunsany
>https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/2365.Pre_Tolkien_Fantasy

>>12762884
NK JEMISIN

>>12762982
Who the fuck would data mine 4chan? If I want to know the demographics of the site and for some reason don't have access to data from google analytics (ie I'm not Hiro, advertisers or anyone that could simply ask Hiro) I can just get a cheap Alexa subscription and get all the data I could possibly want.

Age of the posters is simply not a thing you'd have to go through the trouble to data mine for.

>>12763047
Niggers

>>12763047

>>12763047
Why is that nigress so memed?

>>12763151
She keeps winning Hugos and loves to blame white people for everything making her popular with the current mainstream fantasy crowd.

>>12762941

Just how would a magic system revolving around phenomenology work anyway?

>>12762729

There's a small chance the Amazon adaptation could actually be good because of this. All the teenage kino thrills, none of the endless descriptions of dresses frills.

It'll probably be shite though.

>>12763169
I might have heard of her few times, but mostly just seen her posted here. Why is she popular with mainstream? Besides virtue signaling and shit.

>>12763191
Couldn't tell you to be honest as I've never read any of her stuff.

>>12763191
Magical academy a la Harry Potter.
But with strong independent black women who save the world from evil whitey, and dickgirls who just kinda exist for diversity points.

>>12763230
>blacks and futa and la harry potter
I dislike it already...

>>12763191
She's a black woman who writes 'woke' garbage. That is, quite literally, the only reason she wins Hugos and is endlessly praised by the mainstream.

>>12762813
The Kingkiller Chronicle by Patrick Rothfuss

>>12763191
It’s solely because of the virtue signaling. Her books are absolute shit

>>12762629
Is that city Paris? looks super comfy.

>>12763254
>Devi’s mouth in the last panel

wtf

>>12763303
google images "anime cheek mouth"

>>12763283
Probably, the artist never specified.
This is Paris though, by the same artist.
Evgeny Lushpin, if you're interested. He has a bunch of similarly good cityscapes in his portfolio.

Is this new Larry Correia worth a read? I read Son of the Black Sword around 2015 or 2016 and thought it was pretty alright, but I've not had great luck with sequels lately.

>>12763319
He’s the only redpilled fabtasy author I know of. Always wanted to try his works. How alright is he? Is he at least close to good?

>>12763340
His Monster Hunter series was pretty fun read. Not sure about his fantasy stuff though. I do know that every now and then he'll go off on his blog about all the retarded shit happening in the literature world.

>>12763313
Damn his paintings are really nice but holy shit are they expensive. 30k dollars for one painting seems a bit too much. Is he any famous at all?

>>12763189
How would it not? Mind you, I'm only a pseud so I just pretend to know what phenomenology is but many more loosely defined magic systems revolve around forcing your perception of the world on the world, and in the case of a duel overcoming the mind of another to cement your image of things as reality. The world is not objective, but based on a combined consciousness that you can influence.

Any sci fi or fantasy where human sexual dimorphism is greater than normal?

>>12763378

So basically The Force from Star Wars when you think about it?

>>12763190
That's the direct opposite of improvement

>>12763399
Not really. The force, at least as seen in the movies and more grounded installations of the franchise, is limited by a set of quite strict rules. You can pull things, lift things, throw lightning and do various other stuff but you can't change reality.

>>12763190
>there’s a small chance the amazon adaptation will be good

Anon, I...
>Rafe, will Rand's romance plot remain close to the books? I mean, liking one girl at first but ending up with three in the end?"

"No."

>On LGTBQ+ representation:

"I think that gender is such a key theme of the books, and discussing gender without a full representation of LGBTQ+ people would be a disservice to that discussion. Rest assured, their will be pillow friends out the wazoo."

>Rigid Mars-Venus gender division etc- troubling aspects of books. Plans to update/improve these? WoT’s gr8 to discuss gender but it isn’t without problems."

"I’m a feminist and it’s very important to me that the show is feminist in today’s context. So a lot of those things will be changing."

They’re going to rape Jordan’s books.

>>12763340
>>12763356
Monster Hunter books are very entertaining with over the top action, not as good as Starship Troopers but if you like James Cameron's Aliens I think you'll like em just fine.

>>12763501
>polyamory good, lesbians bad
Cringe and bluepilled desu

Honestly, there's not much of value to rape. Not that I will watch the show.

>>12762813

Unironically Trysmoon Saga

and Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn

>>12763639
It’s more changing the motivations and relationships of key characters, shitting on Jordan’s themes and using lesbians as cheap fan service like game of thrones does. But strawman away brainlet.

>>12762643
I would never trust this heartless bitch

>>12763501
>representation of LGBTQ+
Why the fuck does this keep popping up in every single western medium these days? These lunatics make it seem like gays are 50% of the world population with all this "muh representation garbage". They don't even want equal rights anymore since they have that in the countries where this stuff is pushed, they want to be specially treated because of who they fuck at this point. I've always been neutral on gays, who you want to fuck is entirely your business but man I"m really starting to get sick of their constant attention whoring. I know I'm generalizing here and there are those who just want to live a normal life but the outspoken ones really make it hard to sympathize with the rest of them.

>>12763676
I saw a post on social media where some paraplegic was like "Fuck gays, they act like they matter. Where's my disabled representation? We're more important than them." and as a faggot, I agree. There probably are more disabled people than LGBTs and therefore should have more representation.

>>12763659
>Trysmoon Saga
This was recommended a few threads back. Does it really have cuckshit in it?

>>12763689

The MC is held down by guards while the girl he's interested in is fucked and impregnated by a man who wants him executed. That man is her lawfully arranged husband.

>>12763668
>ywn fuck her neck while she tongues your hole
Lady cant even compete

>>12762629
>What's your age?
26
>How long have you been reading SF/F fiction for?
26

>>12763501
Jordan raped Jordan's books

>>12763688
>some paraplegic was like "Fuck gays
Good thing he's paraplegic, he would have been burnt at the stake otherwise

>>12763706
Sounds like a /qst/ quest a while back.

>>12763706
Sounds pretty edgy. Glad I passed over that series.

>>12763770
Fuck you.

>>12762872
stop spamming this shit

>>12763319
Son of the black meme was shit.
And fuck the anons who memed me into reading it from this general years ago.

>>12763394
Are you going to spam this every thread?

>>12763857
No.

>>12763872
Make me, faggot.

Picked this up and am about to start reading it. See you next thread lads.

>>12763970
I don't know anything about that collection, but I suggest you download/purchase the Del Ray collections since it's universally agreed they're the best collections of Conan and Robert E. Howard in general.

Anyone familiar with Lems work? I've read Solaris and i'm wondering what else is interesting

the more I research mythology, the more I realize there is a severe dearth of mythical rodents to choose from for villain motifs

>rat kings
>the pied piper
>the mouse queen from the nutcracker (who is probably the squishiest spellcaster of all time)
>rodents of unusual size

id say either the piper or the mouse queen is best, but the piper's too edgy and the mouse queen isn't edgy enough

>>12762931

its not intrinsically better — quality is relative after all — but I think the difference between fantasy and magical realism is that in magical realism, the fantastic part of it isn't the focus, its there.

arguably, straight fantasy has more potential for metaphor and commentary, but it doesn't work out that way

>>12764250
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_king

Ray kings are great though...

>>12764354
rat kings are overdone Also, I'm holding onto that concept for something bigger

>>12762700
there are plenty of them in contemporary boomer crime fiction. Just not so much in sci-fi fantasy

Today I found out it takes two weeks for audible to okay a book. So the books I want are probably done, but are in approval hell.

>>12763659
>Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn
really? I was looking for a comfy traditional story...
wat do genreshit bros

>>12764635
>using audiobooks

Is it fair to say /sffg/ posters are the only folk on /lit/ who read purely because they actually enjoy reading?

>>12763706
> That man is her lawfully arranged husband.
Not cuckshit then.

>>12765222
Yes. The incels on /outerlit/ only read to brag about what they've read. None of them actually enjoy reading the Greeks or marxist shit.

I've got a collection of short stories sitting at 20k word count, if I want this shit published how much should I write for? The standard 70k-80k or should I start sending query letters now? This is horror btw but there's no horror general

>>12762773
The thing about Conan is that his way of being always got him out of the trouble it got himself into. Like that time he killed a judge in Argos when some knight wanted to kill one of his young friends.

>>12765384
This is also not /blog/ general you twat. The only aspiring author we allow here is birdboi anon.

>>12765428
Don't be a fag.

>>12765384
What type of horror are you writing?

I'm about halfway done with The Knight and even though I am enjoying most of it, I also feel that most of the time I'm not really following what is happening.
Does this mean I'm too dumb for Wolfe? I hoped this one would be more straightforward than BotnS

>>12765222
Consuming things just because they enjoy the action of consuming, thus eating any garbage placed in front of them?

Yes that's a accurate description of genre fiction fans. *teleports behind Kindle Unlimited author and unsheaths katana*

>>12765486
You may think this sounded intelligent, but in fact it was quite retarded.

>>12765428
>birdboi anon.
who?

>>12763688
Neither should havw more representation.

>>12765489
I'm sorry you're upset by this, but Star Wars expanded universe novels are not good.

>>12765499
Nah I'm good with characters being in wheel chairs. Especially if it's a cool wheel chair.

>>12765486
To be fair reading something just because others told you it'll make you look smarter isn't much better. It's basically like wearing glasses with non-prescription lenses because "having bad eyes means you're smart, right?"

>muh representation
Instead of moaning about it they should write some books themselves. It's not like with Hollyjew were American cultural tastes dictate movie material and shit up everything for the (some) rest of the world.

>>12765512
>Instead of moaning about it they should write some books themselves
They did, they're garbage

>>12765442
Everything from paranormal, occult, demons, local legends, Halloween themed, a succubus story, unexplained and those are the done stories but I'm also going to write a few more using other genres like extraterrestrial, slasher, existential, and cosmic maybe more.

>>12762865
>Guess I'll give it a shot
This is really important, make sure to read image related, the edition recommended in the OP. All other editions (that I know of) contain unfortunate edits and rewrites by various idiots. They also contain unfinished works, essays, letters and beautiful illustrations.

>>12765571
>image related
?

>>12765571
>>12765580
Oops, my bad. The book is also in the OP.

>>12765585
Ok, thanks.

>>12765571
>>12765592
And while I'm at it correcting my original post,
>They also contain unfinished works, essays, letters and beautiful illustrations.
refer to the Del Rey editions.

The absolute best REH Conan stories:

The Phoenix on the Sword
The Tower of the Elephant
The Scarlet Citadel
Queen of the Black Coast
Rogues in the House
The Hour of the Dragon
Beyond the Black River
Red Nails

>>12765465
i fell asleep trying to read that so many times. just drop it honestly. its not nearly as good as BotNS

>>12765486
As opposed to reading to attract attention and make yourself look smart like (you)?

>>12762700
How do I get into Conan?

>>12762700
They are, just not in the west.

>>12765634
The Phoenix on the Sword
The Tower of the Elephant
Iron Shadows in the Moon
Rogues in the House
Beyond the Black River

I'm not a fan of The Hour of the Dragon, Conan as written by REH works best in short story format. I feel that the unplanned and opportunistic structure of Conan's adventures does not work in a novel length story. It reads like a couple of short stories glued together.

Just read Anansi Boys by Niel Gaiman. Really enjoyed it. I've read American Gods before. Any other recommendations from Gaiman?

I'm halfway through The Sandman too, amazing comic.

>>12765946
Neverwhere is comfy. You could read The Ocean at the End of the Lane but it's just more of his parables about the moon, its phases, womankind and the triple godess.

>>12765797
1. Have bad taste and enjoy shitty pulp stories
2. Read Conan

>>12765797
Are you illiterate? The answer to your question is in the OP charts and have also been posted numerous times in this very thread.

>>12765505
Star wars isn't good, be it in book or movie form.

>>12765506
So you too want to fuck a qt grill in a wheelchair?
based

>>12765797
1. Like reading shit
2. Open a conan book

>>12766122
Why read Conan when there's Sanderson and Brent Weeks to binge on amirite?

>two rivers folk are all perfectly fine with becoming a minority in their own land within the span of a year

>>12766135
Breeks and sandyman is shit too

how do we solve the fantasycuck problem?

>>12765465
You have to reread it and be a genius to get Wolfe so let me help you out. Switch the dreams and the reality and assume Jungian symbols like the loyal dog, the selfish cat, and the enduring horse are valid, as well as anima figures with old women like the barren mothers etc- a process of individuation, org as shadow, etc. Pay attention to eyes, brothers and mothers, difficulty breathing, three tasks and what happens when the last repetition is done, C dudes with head wounds or scars. Take it literally and symbolically.

>>12766464
Smart decision, this way their descendants won't be dumb as a rock country bumpkins like them if they breed with the world wise Taren Ferry-ians..

>>12766464
I would drop the book hard. But then this is from WoT and I dropped that even quicker.

>>12766589
>>12766464
I like how natives became a minority living in their own lands.
America fuck yeah. amirite? It's only okay when America does it. *clapping Intensifies*

>>12766575
I don't see Taren Ferry-ians inventing the fabled Two Rivers Longbow.

>I like how natives became a minority living in their own lands
I don't.
>America fuck yeah. amirite?
Don't care, not a burger.

>>12766714
Are you retarded?

>>12766714
America wasn't "their" land. Land doesn't inherently belong to anyone. Whoever is strong enough to take and keep hold of a piece of land owns it until someone does the same to them. No human being has rights to any land.

>>12766791
>America wasn't "their" land. Land doesn't inherently belong to anyone
IT SURE DOES
NATURAL LAW BITCH NIGGER

>>12766801
Yes a "law" made up by and perpetuated by humans.

>>12766804
The whole point is that it's inherent, a part of our DNA. If I meet someone on the street carrying an apple I'd assume the apple was theirs. Same if I meet someone living on a piece of land.

Why is there no good mommy fantasy? Am I going to have to write my own? I'm sure there's a market for it.

>>12766714
Native Americans didn't believe in owning land

>>12766814
Masters of Rome

>>12766813
>If I meet someone on the street carrying an apple I'd assume the apple was theirs
But it isn't theirs. The apple doesn't naturally belong to them, that's just your projecting your human made law. And if it if was theirs, is there a natural law that says you can't kill them and take the apple so it becomes yours?

The natives were too weak to fend off colonists and so lost the land they settled on. THAT is natural order.

>>12766813
If you walked into someone house and he was watching tv, would you assume he was the owner of the house or if he just rented it?

>>12766839
That you can do something doesn't mean it's right to do.

Any sci fi or fantasy where human sexual dimorphism is greater than normal?

>>12767008
Masters of Rome

>>12766012
>>12766122

I have read conan books by other authors. They were ok, but I never liked the type of women conan courted, it's some sort of mix of damsels and warrior women. I would prefer some books were dude shacks up with "evil" (or not so evil) sorceress/noblewoman or something.

>>12767157
What a rare preference I've never seen here before.

>>12767008
Do you want to imagine yourself lording over women like an incel-king or something?

>>12767008
gor

conan containment thread when

>>12767157
Oh, and if you know any books like that, do share. Happy endings preferable.

>>12767235
When you head back to your containment board >>>/lgbt/

>>12767157
Does Conan even have a preference to what kind of woman he fucks? I mean he ended up making a former concubine his Queen.

>>12767268
Not sure, but I don't like the ones he ends up with. In general I don't like that he get's a new love interest ever so often.

>>12767279
>In general I don't like that he get's a new love interest ever so often.
lol you don't get Conan at all do you?

>>12767295
I don't need to get it, I just don't like it. Never was a huge want anyway.

>>12767131
The only thing that's problematic about them is that they're shitty stories.

>>12767310
>want
fan
Not sure why I wrote that....

>>12767279
>In general I don't like that he get's a new love interest ever so often
That's just a part of his character though. He's always wandering from one adventure to the next and only settles down when he becomes King. And even then in Conan of the Isles after his Queen passes away he gives the throne to his son and fucks off on another adventure because he's so bored. But that wasn't written by Howard so I don't really pay attention to it, though Howard himself did say that Conan continued to travel after he became a King.

In short if you're looking for romance then Conan isn't really the place to get it.

>>12767315
Then please enlighten the rest of us with your undoubtedly top tier taste in literature. What do you read?

>>12767279
every hole is goal.
not hard to understand conans motivaitons.

>>12762650
William Morris
Peter Pan
Aesop's Fables
Jason and the Golden Fleece
Jerusalem Delivered
and all the other Epics.

I'm coming up to the ending of Dust of Dreams. I know it and TCG were supposed to be one book together so how much of an ending am I getting or am I going to be massively underwhelmed?
How fucking WILD is The Crippled God? I can't wait to get into it.

>>12767360
Lucian's True History

>>12767315
Stop pretending you've read any Conan. You're just upset we're talking about something other than MALAZAN AND SANDERSON, you weepy queer lol

>>12767349
>>12767352
Fair enough, a do like some romance.

>>12767384
To be fair it's probably a good bet that most fantasy fans haven't actually read much Conan these days and most likely know OF him through reputation. That style of "sword and sorcery" fantasy is long past its heyday compared to more usual fantasy or modern YA trash.

>tfw dropped WoT
>glad for it
>but I really want to know why Perrin is tried by Elayne

>>12767527
Elayne is a cunt

>>12767527
Because she's the Queen and he raised a flag and appointed himself ruler on her territory?

>>12767575
Based
>>12767579
Unbased

What's wrong with RJ? He had no problem showing Mat being raped but left out Morgase being pounded against her will, by two different dudes no less.

>>12767618
Dudes being raped is funny tho

Mid March- Full updates and direction
Allo!

>The FF2 Audiobook is with Audible. Nothing else I can do for the time being.
>DD2 Audiobook is with Andrea P. right now and she's working on it.
>Remnant is scheduled for 4/07 and looks to be on target.
>The book after that on 5/07 is Swing Shift. Which should be... interesting.

yeah. William D Arand lurks in this general and has heard my autistic screeching.

>>12767836
>William D Arand lurks in this general
If you're here Will calm the fuck down with the Dryads in Wild Wastes. There's too many.

>How often do you post chapters to Patreon?
>I try really hard to at least put up one a day. When the writing is fast and furious, I do 2 a day. There's also a situation that i'm in right now where I can't really speak about a book i'm writing, as it's likely someone would copy the idea rather quickly.
>If you'd like an example... sure are a lot of Wuxia books popping up suddenly. Right after that Super Hero harem craze, and the monster-girl apocalypse madness.

Wait... Did people copy Arand for the Western Wuxia and monster girl apocalypse?
I read a few Western Wuxia books before reading cultivating chaos.

>>12767941
he kinda became THE guy when it comes to self-publishing. its not hard to imagine why people would copy him. also according to himself hes becoming a genre blob with how many genres hes trying to write.
so its not really hard to see why people would follow his lead. that being said in my opinion theres only like 4 guys that actually write novels about harems well, william is one of them focusing more on the story and characters, daniel shinhofen is another one more focusing on interpersonal relationship and drama between character. then there is archibald bradford and lastly there is cebelius for his template series.
not only these the only authors in that whole kindle thing that actually write full sized novels, they are actually well written and have an editorial process behind them.
i pretty much disregard other authors in the same space. though i recently read the books from stephen l. hadley and enjoyed them.

>>12766814
By mommy fantasy do you mean a book where one of the main characters is a mommy or where the hero gets a (maybe literal) mommy gf?

>>12767983
>daniel shinhofen
I guess you are one of those fags that like the Shakespeare plays and patting fluff on her head in those books.

>>12768023
i can neither confirm nor deny your statement.

>>12768031
I didn't know Stacyia was so thicc.
But seriously, when he used that shakespeare filler in the book I dropped the series.
I heard it got worse in the following books. Glad my BS meter is up to snuff and I know when is the right time to dip

>>12768057
>I heard it got worse in the following books.
yeah honestly it got worse story wise. i really wanna know how it continues. the whole psycholigical suffering thing comes into effect really hard later on and some tough choices have to be made in regards to a lot of things. daniel had to do a 180 because people wanted more apocalypse gates instead of the other books so hes prioritizing that series now but alpha world 8 is gonna be the last one.
i personally am actually more interesting in binding words. but apocalypse gates was alright. i really just wanna know how alpha world and and if there is going to be a delta world like it keeps being teased

Any good sci fi or fantasy with kaiju or similar huge monsters? They don't have to be the focus

>>12768076
fuck my grammar is all over the place today. sorry about that. kinda had a long day.

>>12768090
https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/73115.Giant_Monster_Kaiju_Novels

Nemesis Saga is pretty good. cant speak for the rest of the list but you'll probably find something decent.

>>12767369
TCG is like the culmination of all your expectations. It delivers but do not expect much of an ending from DoD

>>12768100
thanks anon

>>12768076
>binding words
I wanted to give that book a try, but Daniel burnt me with that fluff feelings shit. I stay far away from any of his books. Same with Blaise Corvin after he did that lgbt pandering shit in Delvers llc.

>>12768152
i'd say give it a try. its much better than alpha world in my opinion. you can see he has improved leaps and bounds since the first alpha world in writing in general.
the concept of the book is really simple. oaths are literal and hold power over people. its a very simple concept but pretty well executed. the first books starts slow though its mostly world building and establishing the big powers of the world.

>>12767684
This, I was in pain from laughing when Mat was explaining the situation to Elayne and Nynaeve.

>have fun creating worlds, characters, and plotlines
>feel like I'm dragging my feet when I actually try to write
How do I into creating for the sake of creating? I feel like every great Fantasy and Sci-Fi author has unlocked this ability to write because they enjoy creation, and I just can't grasp it.

>>12768162
Are there are plays or other bullshit used to pad the word count?
I'm trusting you here anon, and you still continuing Alpha World doesn't give you much credibility.
Unless you are on of those completionist fags. I used to be one until I over came my autism and learnt to drop books. (I still complete the book but I don't complete the series.

>John Conroe
>William D Arand
>Will Wight
>all upped their game since becoming full time authors
>E William Brown still drags his feet as he did when he had a 9-5 job, even though he is also a full time author
Does he do coke or something? What does he fill his time with?

>>12768250
not that i can remember.
and honestly speaking the play thing only happened in the first book of alpha world. doesnt show up in the others.

>>12765495
Aspiring autistic author

>>12768262
not everyone has the passion to write every single day.

>>12768263
now that i think about. he actually makes fun of the bit later on.

>>12768271
Then he is in the wrong profession. Even if it isn't towards one of his main books, he should write something everyday to improve his craft.
It's like reading a page from a book everyday. Eventually you get better at reading. If Brown does this he will increase as an author.

>>12768241
Become a dungeon master instead.

>>12766714
t. Whites were first in the usa. They came during the ice age from spain. Clovis culture.
+ possible later settlement from canaan/phoeniceans from the levant. Followed, ofcourse, by the vikangz.

>>12768366
>vikangz
I don't know why but this triggers me immensely.

>>12767941
No people are copying cradle for the western wuxia. Arand might be a little up his ass if he thinks he’s the flagship for that .

When will self publishing stop being a meme and be an actual viable option?

>>12768407
it literally has been a viable option since 2015

How is S.M. Stirling? I was recommended pic related.

>>12768413
What happened in 2015?

>>12768784
I got a wisdom tooth removed that year

>>12768784
self-publishing became a thing that let you earn enough to life on it.
kindle unlimited happened in 2014. but in 2015 it took off and more and more people could earn a living through it.

Does anyone know who the fuck would be publish a late Victorian era fantasy set around naval commerce raiding in a completely fictional (not alternate history) world with limited but narratively important use of magic? I recently found a manuscript among my late father’s papers and was stunned by the quality of it, it’s not a 10/10 but certainly better than a lot of mainstream fantasy. It’s not steampunk, my dad had an engineering background so the technology is very precisely realized and realistic as is the magic ‘system.’

>>12768776
The only books of his worth that are worth reading are the Island in the Sea of Time trilogy, pretty unique time-travel and alternate history fusion about a sudden storm blanketing an entire island. When the weather clears, the island's inhabitants find that they are no longer in the late twentieth century but have been transported instead to the Bronze Age. The characters are pretty generic but the story is very imaginative and not at all boring.

>>12768031
Damn. That slam piggie looks like a discount Jessica Rabbit.

>>12762718
>Conan is a "good" character
I mean, i enjoy some Howard every now and then but thats taking it a little too far
>>12762698
Pretty much

>>12762745
No

>>12769583
Conan > Malazan. Malazan is all world-building with a "story" attached by a shoe string.

>>12769551
she is a literal succubus.

tfw my goodreads pace has absolutely cratered because every book lef that I find appealing is like 500 pages long

>>12769631
Butterfly is my succubus :3

>>12769677
do I even have to say it
>caring about your goodreads pace

>>12769677
>not using audiobooks and having those 500 pages read to you

>>12769623
I like the conan stories, but they cant match Malazan, which admittedly probably wouldnt exist as it is without Howard, who was just as influential on modern fantasy as Tolkien. Still, saying Conan is better than Malazan is like saying Morrowind is better than Skyrim, its fun to say, but it's patently untrue

>>12767864
>If you're here Will calm the fuck down with the Dryads in Wild Wastes. There's too many.
There can never be enough Dryads and dragons in your harem.

>>12769793
Conan is superior to Malazan in literally every category. Originality, prose, efficiency, actual stories and not endless world-building.

Why did Disney red-con all the good books they bought the rights to? They would have made bank doing adaptations of the X-Wing Series as well as for Thrawn.

https://www.goodreads.com/series/42194-star-wars-x-wing

>>12769809
Be serious

>>12769867
Not an argument, anon. Just because Malazan is a bloated dumpster fire doesn't make it better. Quality > quantity.

>>12766714
>but what about THIS THING

how does anyone find motivation to write when the odds of anyone reading it are so low

>>12769900
Not trying to cobtinue this pointless argument, just genuinely curious, how many Malazan books have you read?

>>12770060
continue*

>>12770053
I must have had a lot of confidence or determination when I wrote my first novel. I don't have that anymore. All I can do is fixate on how nothing I do is ever good enough. I don't think I'm going to write another any time soon

>>12768241
shit dude, you can create plotlines? You've got me beat by a mile

>>12768090
Worm unironically has the best kaiju fights I've ever seen, but it's a superhero web novel

>>12770060
I've read the main series. There's some good stuff in there (mainly the fighting/battles which Erikson is excellent at), but it's beyond bloated and focused too much on pointless world-building. Even Erikson himself admitted as much.

>>12770111
>Even Erikson himself admitted as much
I'd like a citiation if you have time. Im only on MoI, but im loving it so far.
My hat is off to you if youve read the whole main series, but i find it hard to believe that you could have gotten through all ten novels and still prefer hack and slash conan stories over Malazan.
But again, im not even halfway through the series.

>conanfags are triggered because no one wants to take time and make memes for their books

>>12770108
>I must have had a lot of confidence or determination when I wrote my first novel
maybe i just need to convince myself im better than you and the 500 other novelists publishing this year
i mean, i am, but i have to convince myself that it's going to mean anything when it comes to views

I think my all time favourite scifi trope; is looking back at a civilisation in the long past before an apocalyptic event, exploring it

Like the small bits and pieces of information about Lews Therin's world before it broke, in Wheel of Time, don't even think there are flashbacks?
But the simple implications, when someone asks: Are there still laser-guns around?
Love it
I guess most post-apocalyptic settings does that, to some extent

>>12770213
how many views feels cozy

Will i enjoy Malazan if i didn't like WoT,Sanderson,GRRM etc? i'm a dinofag but im willing to give Malazan a chance.

Okay, I'm burning through villain ideas. Rat king is reserved for later, undead pied piper with a city-sized pipe organ is too edgy/op, Rat wizard is too silly, Deadmau5 parody is straight out.

How's this: a rattaur. As in, a horse-sized emaciated rat with six legs and two torsos who is also a transmuter/necromancer to boot. His classic tactic is hitting people with a blast of crippling starvation that forces spellcasters to burn mana just to alleviate the hunger pangs.

This same effect also sends zombies into a frenzy

>>12770222
I love that in fantasy, when the ancient tech is just golem-like enough to fit in with the setting

>>12770278
not him, but enough that a well-known media site acknowledges me

Are there any good fantasy books that on the surface seem fairly standard adventure/swords and sorcery in a magical land but constant hint towards something way more fucked up constantly looming in the back that doesn't really go into full swing until much later in the book?

>>12770341
Mistborn kind of.

>>12770341
Malazan

>>12770164
>but i find it hard to believe that you could have gotten through all ten novels and still prefer hack and slash conan stories over Malazan.
I've already explained why I'd prefer Conan over Malazan. After reading Malazan and other bloated, dull epic fantasy series' I've became a much, MUCH bigger fan of more efficient storytelling with smaller plots (heroes having to save their world is beyond boring to me now). And now I'm curious as to what Conan YOU'VE read because no one who has actually read the original Conan stories would simply refer to them as "hack and slash."

>>12770327
>Will i enjoy Malazan if i didn't like WoT,Sanderson,GRRM etc?
No.

>>12770327
You might enjoy it if you skim through a lot of it.

>>12770341
it feels like this could be every fantasy book

>>12770341
The Poppy War

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNpoI4Pf3Z8

>>12770707
He said good fantasy. Poppy War is trash.

>>12770736
youre trash

>>12770736
Most people would disagree.

>pre-Tolkien fantasy
implying

>>12770747
>>12770753
Most people have shit taste. That book has been trashed here plenty of times, something you newly arrived leddit fags might not be aware of.
It's a bog standard coming of age YA fantasy with a magic school and sensei Elodin to boot that takes a hard turn into grim derp territory halfway through for no fucking reason other than to be edgy.
The GR crowd jerks off over it because the author does something that nobody else has done before and tells us war is bad and brutal. Revolutionary. She's a chink and uses Nanking as inspiration so that ticks the diversity quota as well.
And of course there's a love triangle and the female protagonist eye fucking her crush in the middle of said war because why not, what YA book doesn't need those?

>>12770788
> Most people have shit taste
> newly arrived leddit fags
> grim derp
> GR crowd
> She's a chink
Are you 12?

What are some books that will inspire me and help me to optimize my gloriousness levels?

>>12770804
He is on 4chan, so probably

>>12770836
Gemmell's Legend

>>12770836
Malazan

I'm reading Mistborn, great world and magic. But the plot, and characters don't compare. I'm looking for something that has characters, and story that are great, with a decent pace. is Malazan good at plot, and characterization, maybe growth too?

How's this book? https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4345290-the-crown-conspiracy

>>12770921
>and characterization
No.

>>12770921
Its got some good characters imo, but idk about growth

>>12770956
>>12770957
Alright, suggest something with character growth.

>>12770921
Malazan really sucks at pacing.

Are there any really good sci-fi books that do the space/horror thing like Event Horizon? Preferably not 40k, I know they have a whole "our spaceships use hell for FTL" thing, which is neat and shit, but I'm looking for something a little less fantasy.

>>12771027
Recommend me something then. Wheel of Time?

>>12770954
the riyria revelations are generic popcorn fantasy

Do people think The Goblin Emperor is garbage?

>>12771062
https://www.amazon.com/Event-Horizon-Novel-Steven-McDonald/dp/0812540069

the movie is based on a book

>>12771418
In my eyes, it is does the exact minimum required to be enjoyable so it's three stars. I drop all books that I deem to be 2 stars and below and 4 stars are super rare and 5 stars are ultra ultra rare.

>>12771458
That book is based on the movie. You're posting the novelisation of the film, not an original work of literature.

>>12771304
You don't have to read epic series of 15 books you know.

>>12771568
>now a major motion picture
>based upon the motion picture

what

>>12771587
Top level marketing. Publication date and the author's provenance kind of suggests the book came second, though.

>>12770488
I bet you're a gay mouser fag too.

>>12770733
>>12766506
Map fags really need to an hero. You think our land formation is logical? You fags read a book with people levitating vaginas with their cummies, flying with nothing but their will, farting and tearing up so much soil that mountains are formed, but then your suspension of belief is broken because the map doesn't look logical?
You all need to kys. I wonder what you fags do when a world was bombarded with meteors and the ore was mined away. Leaving huge craters that eventually full up with water.

I am fed up of you ultra autistic fags coming in here and crying about a fucking map drawing of a fantasy story.

>>12770836
Synthoil or implants?

>>12771786
I don't even care about that maps unless they are retarded or very boring, I just posted a video to see what reaction there will be from WoT readers.

>>12771793
The blessing of mother EVROPA.

>>12770954
That is modern a day s&s. It's great. Don't read the author's age of [insert thing here] books though. They are utter trash.

>>12770921
>>12770959
What do you like in your books other than character growth? Self published books might be for you.

Setting a whole book in second person sounds like an interesting gimmick but boy is it annoying to read

>>12771815
>Identity Evropa is an American neo-Nazi and white supremacist organization established in March 2016. The group is identified as a white supremacist organization by the Anti-Defamation League and is designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group. Wikipedia
So all those carrying of bedsheets at kkk meetings weighed him down enough to cause his muscles to bulge.
Okay.

>>12771865
Golden One (that guy) is hilarious

He's an incredibly obviously closeted 40k nerd but because he can't embrace it he's become the most bizarre sort of skyrim nazi

>>12766506
isn't this just scotland flipped upside down?

>>12771865
What does that have do with him, I think he's a swede or something.

>>12771831
Hard to say. I like fantasy, I like the "journey" feel for 12 Kingdoms, the humbled royal protagonist who got thrown in Illusion, the broken, mentally, protagonist in Deerskin. I like The One Who Eats Monsters too because people don't know the deep waters they're getting into when they face her, and don't realize they're fighting someone whose power is a deity's.

>>12771886
>I'm literally twelve and need shit explained to me
Okay fag. This cunt >>12771815 said the blessings of a nazi organisations is why he is so swole.

>>12771934
Replace U with V or using EVROPA doesn't mean that he was talking about that organization.

>>12771929
Try these and see if you like them
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37654736-threadbare-volume-1
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30558257-unsouled

>>12771947
>he was only pretending

>>12771978
>>12771934
>>12771865
The problem is not that you are stupid, but that you are so aggressive and mean whilst being unaware of your stupidity.

>>12771965
I see a lot of people making comparisons to Unsouled, and anime. I hate anime, and their stupid characterizations, and convoluted nonsense plot. What do you think of these comparisons of Unsouled to anime?

>>12772076
>What do you think of these comparisons of Unsouled to anime
its western wuxia.
basically its dragnonball. with all the powerlevels and bullshit that comes with it.

New
>>12772295
>>12772295
>>12772295

>>12772040
>mom someone on the internet doesn't want to agree with my point of view like you always do and they don't like me

>>12772076
I’ve watched plenty of anime and it doesn’t come off that way. Cradle series is really fun. Finished Underlord last night.

>>12771418

Its shallow and saccharine. It feels like a Hallmark movie wherein the protagonist wins because he's the nice guy and everyone's morality is determined solely on whether or not they are aligned with him.

>>12771865
>The group is identified as a white supremacist organization by the Anti-Defamation League and is designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group. Wikipedia
LOL

>>12771786
it's literally Europe rotated 90 degrees
am i stupid for responding?