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What do you think of christian apologetics?
What books do you recommend?

>> No.12769977

>books
everything you'd ever need to learn about apologetics can be found for free through youtube debates and lectures. look up william lane craig, hugh ross, james r white and gary habermas.

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>>12769964
Thank fucking God that there's a religious thread that has to do with books.

Apologetics is somewhat interesting but theology is where it's all at.

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>>12769993
My bad I'm dumb

>> No.12770038

>>12770001
thanks for that. I am reading mere christianity at the moment.

>> No.12770080

>>12769964
Most apologetics especially the stuff this guy recommends >>12769977 is middling low iq rhetoric crap... casuistry. By that I mean uninquisitive minds writing polemics... advocating any position involves an ‘apologia’... Aquinas and Augustine did it. But it’s better to read this caliber of writer and academic secondary sources on them than apologetics... informed rather than convinced...

>> No.12770171

>>12770080
>is middling low iq rhetoric crap... casuistry.
give an example

>> No.12770189

>>12770171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1c_GlAjvy4

>> No.12770228

>>12770189
how about a clip that doesn't have a literal fedora'd atheist talking over it every 20 seconds

>> No.12770236

Apologetics is for the intellectually lazy and the disengenuous.

If something is true it has no use for pamphlets and may be argued on the merits of its case.

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>> No.12772027

>>12769964
It has its place but unfortunately can be a pitfall of Christians who become interested in winning arguments for their own glory rather than removing stumbling blocks and bring unbelievers to God in unadorned rebellion. If someone's interest is in apologetics with little regard for theology, that's a warning sign for me (as I was in that boat for years and spiritually dead). I think read the first few chapters of Calvin's Institutes to give perspective on what it means to have knowledge of God before diving into apologetics.
Other than that, I think the most important apologetic surrounds the preservation, canon and perspicuity of scripture as it is what Christianity rests upon most importantly. James White is good for that due to his lifelong career evangelising to cults and now Muslims. Debates on the issue are good to watch as long as you don't watch those videos entitled "Atheist ANNIHILATED by Logic" and actually watch the full debates (most importantly the cross-examination, where the rubber meets the road). Tactics by Koukl is a good introductory book on how to engage in a Christian way with non-believers in these such things.