/lit/ - Literature

>>12765954
I'm not sure whether this would be more or less asinine if it were tongue-in-cheek than if it were genuine.

Big if true

>>12765954
this quote is BASED AF
reminds me of this kōbō abe quote

>>12765954

You're not deep for posting quotes that make you look edgy. If you're upset by the mass shooting and sympathize with the victims, that is the very definition of empathy. It is part of the human condition to be empathetic. If you feel nothing seeing others in pain I have some news for you about some brain structure abnormalities you might have in your autistic head.

>>12766061
Why would you feel sympathetic towards your enemies?

>>12766068
This

>>12766061
Your empathy is superficial. You read an article about how an automated vehicle hit and killed a child and scream at those who have empathy for thousands of lives potentially saved by the technology.

Your tolerance experiment has failed, hence why you irrational retards rely on utterly dehumanizing those with political beliefs other than you while pretending anything but is going on.

>>12765954
Must be 18+ to post

>>12766079
>>12766068

>Your empathy is superficial

Nope, it isn't. I deeply love and care about people close to me, I love animals, I don't like seeing people suffer and can put myself in their shoes. Senseless acts of terrorism like this accomplish nothing. On the contrary, they will hurt your cause. Regardless, you need to be 18+ to post here. Maybe work on losing your virginity.

>>12766097
You don't even know what superficial means.

>>12766097
Yet you have no empathy for white people who are being replaced?

>>12765954
>If your upset about a mass shooting you're just another irrational idiot
I would pay to see you incel retards read this to your friends and family

>>12766097
>I don't like seeing people suffer
>but I support muslims
this is very nice bait

>>12766068
>>12766110
How are the innocent people in these mosques responsible for any of your insanely deluded ‘white genocide’ theories? The people in that mosque were never part of any terror plot in a Western country, nor had they just returned from fighting for ISIS in Syria. They were just normal, average people, who happened to worship a different God to you. Why do you think you, or anybody else, has the right to judge whether they should be allowed to carry on living their lives, or not?

>>12766110
You can have empathy for white people being replaced whilst also thinking that shooting people isn't a bright idea, get outside more kid

>>12766115
>I don’t like seeing people suffer
>but I support white people
This is a very nice game we can play here

>>12766079
>You read an article about how an automated vehicle hit and killed a child and scream at those who have empathy for thousands of lives potentially saved by the technology
How does one preclude the other?

>>12766061

>>12765954
Good quote. That's why the lapdogs of capitalism like the aforementioned shooter are the enemy. Not enemy of the masses, but one of the conscious people.

itt: contentless posts

>I'm 15 and we live in a society

>>12766110

What on Earth do you mean replaced? Nobody is forcing your women into cages and creating breeding factories with the aim of wiping you out you retard lmao. Race mixing is done by white people by their own free will. As far as murders go, white apes kill each other more than Muslims kill whites or anything like that. Some isolated terrorist attacks where a Muslim runs over or beheads a few white people is nothing compared to the retarded white apes who go on shooting massacres. Personally, I am of the opinion that white Americans in particular should just be wiped out. I don't give a shit. I like seeing you white virgin nationalists quiver in your boots every single time a report comes out indicating shrinking white birth rates. You people will be a minority by 2050. Myself, I am white but not in the Americunt or Anglo subhuman sense and where I come from there is no problem with mass immigration. The immigrants we have are peaceful, minimal and work hard mostly. You live in a fantasy world you delusional stormcuck. Why not focus on getting a hot white girlfriend and making some babies instead of memeing on the internet all day like a sperg with 60 IQ?

>>12766106

My empathy is genuine, I am sorry you are autistic and don't understand human emotion

>>12766141
You don't know what superficial is...

This is quite funny.

>>12766133
Fuck off you stupid faggot, people have died and all you can do is post stupid fucking memes. Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that the people who died were real people who didn’t deserve anything they got?

>>12766133

Super autist detected

>>12766127
you actually thought this was witty

>>12766145
Boohoo the world is unfair

>>12766144
>you don’t know what superficial is
... this is quite funny

>>12766152
This.

The world is unfair but just be yourself and stoop whining lol.

>>12766148
Please tell me the logical difference between blaming all Muslims for the actions of a few and blaming all white people for the actions of a few.

>>12766144

I do, you keep insisting I don't because you're not very bright and can only spew the delusional crap you suck up from /pol/ out of bitter rage that no white female wants to have sex with you lol

Being upset about pain experienced by others is literally the definition of empathy you tardcake

>>12766152
>>12766158
Glad to see that the level of discourse around here has sunk to the solid level of a debate society for 14-year olds.

Would be very interesting to see what your responses would be if it was your family or loved ones who’d be the ones shot in the head as they screamed ‘help!’ as they lay in a gutter at the side of the road. I daresay you’d change your tune pretty fast.

>>12766165
Just don't care LMAO.

>>12766144

Holy shit you're autistic. The point of him describing how he deeply loves others he is close with, animals and being able to put himself in the shoes of other in pain is to demonstrate that his empathy is genuine. Absolutely embarrassing...were you ever diagnosed with some sort of intellectual disability?

>>12766168

>>12766159
what if i happen to think escalating tribal warfare is good? I don't even care about muh white race im just bored.

>>12766165
You dont actually care about these dead people and their families, you just rationalize the fear that it could happen to you as "empathy". Now go change your facebook picture to a a NZ flag

>>12766159
are you retarded or just pretending
being white tells you little to nothing of what a person is like, being a muslims means you believe all people who don't follow your specific interpretation of a book should convert(being generous here)/die.

>>12766164

you literally can't reason with brainwashed ugly white goblins. The only solution is for them to watch their race die and white women get bred by blacks. You can't blame the white women for being repulsed by the pasty white skeletons. Would you rather date a black guy who fucks you good or a skinny bitter loser who likes guns and playing videogames all day? its a no brainer why white birth rates are declining lol. and then they blame it on a secret plot by the Jews because of how incompetent they are in the bedroom

>>12766170
Hes defending the actions of a mass murderer, I think we’ve established he’s about as smart as two bricks.

this man wasn't mentally ill, he was poisoned
poisoned by irony, memes, and /pol/ infographics
i doubt he ever read a book in his life

>>12766176

I'd call you an accelerationist retard

>>12766176
Okay Nick, go back to having an existential crisis about being called a boomer.
>>12766179
>all Muslims interpret the Quran in the strictest, most orthodox way possible and are all vile and horrible people
Yes, very sane anon. All those 1 billion people are exactly like, and the actions of 0.0001% of that group definitely justify murdering innocent people at Friday prayers.
>>12766177
Nice projection, friend. What is so hard to believe about the fact that I think killing is wrong? Obviously there is the pragmatic approach, that more killing means more likelihood of my family being killed, but that isn’t exclusionary of a general belief that murder is inherently wrong. Do you honestly have some sort of mental disability?

>>12766204

He seems to have trouble understanding human emotions/empathy which is characteristic of autism so I wouldn't waste too much energy mate

>>12766204
Do you defend Nazism as fervently a a you to Islam online because of your intellectual hatred of generalizations and prejudice?

Or will you just reply "but that is different"?

>>12766179
How many Muslims have you met in real life? Surely all this angst doesn't just stem from a bunch of newspaper clippings about Sweden you saw on 4chan

>>12766204
ah, I guess after all nazis didn't want to kill jews because only a handful of SS officers and german soldiers killed jews.
>>12766217
I had the displeasure of living in a muslim majority community for some time. I'm not white btw.

>>12766141
>Some isolated terrorist attacks where a Muslim runs over or beheads a few white people is nothing compared to the retarded white apes who go on shooting massacres.
Posts like this are why this sort of stuff is going to continue happening.

>>12766213
I’m not defending Islam, I’m defending the lives of innocent people. Just as I would defend the lives of white people who were victims of Islam. You’re incredibly twisted if you think that you can equate radical Islamist terrorists with innocent people practising their faith.

>>12766119
More like they are part of a hateful ideology whose goal is world conquest. Read the Quran and Sunnah. If you believe in that shit yes you are my enemy.

>>12766254
Well you're my enemy if you're brainwashed atheist who hates other people for existing and believes in a delusional notion of race.

>>12766231
A lot of Nazi Germany were unaware of the Holocaust whilst it was ongoing, and when the public found out they were horrified and denounced it. SS guards ascribed to an ideology that was deliberately and fervently anti-Jewish, unlike those who were practising yesterday who were simply peaceful Muslims, not harming anybody. They had no anti-white or anti-Christian credo which they were fulfilling, as much as you love to imagine yourself oppressed.

>>12766254
mate do you have any idea the fucking damage european "christians" have done to world? Just because there were no go pros doesnt mean it was not real. The irony is even palpable in places like NZ or Australia, places christian europeans forcefully took from the natives.
So every time i hear a christian talking about Muslims wanting to conquer and convert the world by force i cant help but laugh at the cognitive dissonance

>>12766260

> equating religion with race

T. Retard

>>12766269
Had I said religion, you would have said the opposite.

>>12766268
> implying I'm Christian

At least Christians of today are fairly neutered.

>>12766253
>You’re incredibly twisted if you think that you can equate radical Islamist terrorists with innocent people practising their faith.
>>12766266
>A lot of Nazi Germany were unaware of the Holocaust whilst it was ongoing, and when the public found out they were horrified and denounced it.
>ideology doesn't translate into actions
holy shit I thought you were baiting but you're legitimately retarded.

>>12766268
>i cant help but laugh at the cognitive dissonance
I'm curious if you laugh when they put up those videos of those guys burning alive in cages?

>>12766253
You're so brave defending innocent lives... except the casualties of war because those guys totally deserved it.

Your morality is as superficial as your empathy.
What life are you protecting? All life or a tiny subcategory of it, a single species that you have concluded all have the equal right to life solely because of their species?
And in what time frame? Is saving a life today worth it if it costs two lives tomorrow? Is
What is "saving" a life? What's the ultimate goal behind this? Is a world where 10 billion people are alive yet live in terrible conditions not affording them freedom superior to a world of 9 billion people in decent living conditions?
And what is innocence if not just a term you can slap onto those who do things you don't like?

>>12766253

>>12766145
>>>///reddit///

>>12766282
You've not made any point. I don't believe that the public of Nazi Germany, nor the vast majority of Muslims, are responsible for the crimes committed by a few of their respective groups.

>>12766297
The people shot in that mosque weren't soldiers, they were civilians - this shooting wasn't part of any war beyond the imagined one that radicals on both sides of the table both argue is going on.

Your claim that empathy that isn't rationally justified is 'superficial' is ridiculous. There are plenty of moral theories I could invoke to justify my empathy, but a key tenement of most moral theory is that it reduces suffering to a point where it is intrinsically lacking empathy, and instead sees humans as numbers. I think, ultimately, I believe that humans shouldn't be used as means to ends - and this mass murder was a heinous example of people being shot to justify an ultimate 'mean' (just as you are doing by arguing that terror attacks are key to preventing over-population (LMAO?!)). I think you also know exactly what innocence is, and are just feigning ignorance because you're arguing in bad faith. These people were innocent, at least in this moral instance, because they were not armed, had not provoked the shooter and had not committed any moral action worthy of the punishment they received - does that suit as as definition?

>>12766302
can't help but notice the irony of leftists and the media calling for places like /pol/ to be shut down, but making excuses for mosques like these.

>>12766302
I can't comment on the validity of that, but if it's true then it is saddening. I'd still hold true that it is not the job of anybody but God to decide when a life can be taken, and the actions of the shooter in becoming judge, jury and executioner is still reprehensible. This vigilantism will only end in tears.

>>12766242

Settle down you white cumskin, don't chimp out and shoot up your school, For a people who talk about being morally and intellectually superior to a bunch of Muslims and blacks you act like uncivilized violent apes just shooting up schools, businesses, and all for what? Your fragile ego. I hope you get gunned down by the cops one day.

>>12766355
>this level of self unawareness

>>12766337
You're not really worth replying to.

If you have any integrity, take a look at how conscious beings have acted for their entire existence, how they have not followed the arbitrary values that you cant imagine anyone except a radical following, and think about whether your view is just a fad of civilizations for a tiny, minuscule window of existence.

>>12766282
>makes no counter-point and calls poster a retard

Not great for your case, mate.

>>12766367

>Falling for this level of bait

Sad

>>12765954
The thing about love, empathy and altruism in particular is that the killer does not lack these attributes, he is not possessed by hate with a complete lack of empathy etc but rather by a love for his people, empathy for those who have suffered, suffer and will suffer by the hands of others, and ultimately his actions against those he holds responsible are also self-sacrifical in nature showing a great deal of altruism.

By literal definition he is a lone-wolf terrorist and they tend to be motivated by a great (arguably excessive) sense of altruism, willing to give their own lives (the ultimate sacrifice) for those they percieve to be in danger or those that have been treated with injustice etc.

On other sites you'll just read of his hate while they preach love but the mother who defends her cubs does not do so because of hate, she does so because of love.

>>12766380
>trolling in a thread where dozens were slaughtered
>>>/b/

>>12766061
>that is the very definition of empathy
no, that's the definition of sympathy
understanding what you feel=empathy
feeling what you feel=sympathy

the mixup in the popular mind is one of the most fatal mistakes ever made

>>12766400

Where in this thread was anyone slaughtered?

>>12766370
>durr there was some vague time in our primordial history where the Ugg-gug tribe murdered the Blug-gug tribe, therefore murdering innocent people is GOOD and perfectly NATURAL

You're genuinely fucking retarded.

>>12766337
>You've not made any point.
no, I made an observation. you don't believe ideology incites people to act on a certain way.
you continuously blame radicalized muslims as if they're part of a rouge minority, instead of direct result of the beliefs of a majority. just because an average person of nazi germany wasn't capable of killing a jew it doesn't mean they didn't report them to the SS. likewise the same muslims who don't want to take arms will happily embrace and protect those who do.
when I said that muslims want non-muslims to die, I didn't said they'd ALL take weapons and go to war. by making the life of non-muslims hell is how they expand and conquer.

>>12765954
Not all coercion and violence are equal. Categorically rejecting a method is stupid but

>>12766268
>places christian europeans forcefully took from the natives.
the maori were literally cannibal conquerers lol

>>12766417
But where is your evidence for this? Most Muslim communities I know live very peacefully and find the acts of terrorists abhorrent when done in the name of Islam. You're basing your entire hatred for these people on some imagined collective hatred they have for you, yet there is no evidence for that.

>>12766391
This is true, but he still was misguided and brainwashed to kill people that possess no threat to his race and culture. Just another bullet in the class war.

>>12766391
If his aim was to make a political message to further his cause, then he wouldn't have spent 5 minutes double-tapping dead bodies like some OCD sadist. His actions, perhaps motivated by a misplaced sense of altruism, were also informed by a deep malevolence.

>>12766436
>Most Muslim communities I know live very peacefully and find the acts of terrorists abhorrent when done in the name of Islam.
I already addressed this, obviously as people they dislike violence but as ideologically driven individuals they justify it(not that they'd tell that to anyone they didn't trust).
>You're basing your entire hatred for these people on some imagined collective hatred they have for you,
imaginary just like the quran and the hadiths lmao.
> yet there is no evidence for that.
see above.

>>12766443
Evidently he and many others do think they pose a threat to his race and culture. Whether they pose enough of a threat to warrant such a response in the present or in the future is debatable.

>>12766455
It is not like he shot them in the legs and arms just for fun or to let them bleed out in pain, he was making sure they were dead. You could even argue that's mercy. He makes it clear he just wants to remove the percieved threat. In his manifesto he even states he does not care about those that live in their own country.

>>12766343
It's been accused of being a radical hot spot twice

https://web.archive.org/web/20140727140346/www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/10310496/A-Kiwi-lads-death-by-drone

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-04/preacher-denies-australian-killed-in-yemen-was-radicalised-in-nz/5500604

>>12766455
While I'm not advocating it, the kind of /pol/-related murders and events would only bolster the acceptance of the motive.

If you look at what happened with Islam, there was essentially constant attacks that were committed by a minority then the majority went out to plaster the world with sob stories about how they're suffering because of the discrimination. Now, those who advocate against Islam face significant potential for violence since people realize that the ideology cant be stopped so they turn on those insulting the ideology that have violent responses. On the other side, violent attacks became so common that people stopped caring BUT there was recourse and discrimination against Muslims that made most people sympathetic to them. The dynamics of these two fronts has essentially secured Islam an uncriticisable future in western nations.

White supremacists could use these exact same tactics, all they need are many lone wolves to snap and act on their own volition, mass attacks but particularly targeted assaults of officials, and a public front that is nothing but peaceful people who embrace violence and abuse of society but advertise all negative incidents. It would take a decade to secure the same position as Islam.

>when the think is big

>>12766061
>if you dont feign empathy for a bunch of dead brown people a hemisphere away your brain is fucked up!
Embarrassing post.

>>12766494
Radical islam doesn't justify shooting up a peaceful church my braindead friend

>>12766473
Most Muslims don't follow the Quran so strictly that they advocate for violence against the West, though. That's entirely why there are radical Islamists in the first place - because its those people who do interpret the Quran as being a call to arms against the infidel.
>>12766474
I think his entire tone, the quoting of memes and listening to Initial D, shows that he enjoyed murdering those people. This wasn't the same as if he was performing a dutiful act - he relished in murdering those people.
>>12766480
That is interesting, and does perhaps inform why he decided to carry out the shooting there - but it still doesn't justify his actions.

>>12766512
>Most Muslims don't follow the Quran so strictly that they advocate for violence against the West, though.
I still don't understand what motivates people to find excuses for a horrible religion who wants its non-believers to die. unless you're a muslim simply lying through your teeth.
weird fixation you europeans have with islam, really.

>>12766537
Someone is doing something very peaceful and non-violent with Islam at the moment.

It’s why there is a peaceful resistance FOR the religion

>>12766537
I don't understand why you're obsessed with framing a religion of 1 billion people as a death cult. What have Muslims ever done to you, personally?

it isn't a coincidence that Mohamed is so closely associated with "the sword" and his historical role as a warlord laying down all the other tribes to "submit" to Islam

>>12765954
Why can't we be mad about both you dummy

>>12766565
It's equally not a coincidence that God flooded the Earth and killed millions, just as Christians did with imperial expansion :^)

>>12766580
Athiests have killed plenty of people too, we can argue circles all day. Violence is eternal and does not discriminate.

>>12766580
>y-you too
yeah the teachings of Christ mandated it bro xD

>>12766494
Not as long as the UN uses the Holocaust as the definition of evil, the 'original sin' of white people.

The guilt forbids even caring for your own race and as any expressed sympathy for your own ingroup is a form of racism (evil), and it's not like other races would care for whites once they become a minority in their own counties.

>The theme of the Holocaust memorial ceremony was “Holocaust Remembrance and Education: Our Shared Responsibility”. The theme highlights the universal dimension of the Holocaust and encourages education on this tragedy so that future generations will firmly reject all forms of racism, violence and anti-Semitism. The Holocaust was a defining point in history and its lessons have much to teach about the danger of extremism and the prevention of genocide today.
https://www.un.org/en/holocaustremembrance/2018/calendar2018.shtml

>>12766559
Probably the same rationale you use to identify ideoligies as dangerous then use coercion and violence to repress them.

Just a guess though...

>>12766622
>peacefully practising Islam is the same as acting violently on behalf of a radical eco-fascist ideology
How long has that crayon been stuck up your nose?

>>12766641
>being prejudiced against an entire ideology of innocent people
Yikes. Who let the bigot in this thread?

We don't accept intolerance here.

>>12766600
Which is why the violence must stop.
>>12766602
Fine, how about the Crusades then? Pope-mandated murder, just as Mohammed mandates murder in the Quran. Neither religion is exempt, so theres no point pretending Islam has a monopoly on violence.

>>12766652
>eco-fascism is a peaceful and innocent ideology
Just accept you've lost the argument, and move on.

>>12766666
Your bigotry is unacceptable against an entire race of people. Ecofascism literally only preaches love and tolerance but your bigoted brain has to use the acts of a few to generalize sich a large group of individuals.

I'm calling the cops and they'll will peacefully force you to stop this hate speech.

>>12766679
Yep, looks like we're done here.

>>12766656
Why because you said so? I ought to kill you for that

>>12766684
Enjoy being so indoctrinated you can't criticise ideologies you've been told are off limits while supporting absolute repression of other belief systems.

>>12766666 (impressive, very nice)
>islam is a peaceful and innocent ideology
Just accept you've lost the argument, and move on.

>>12766696
For the most part, it is. Over a billion Muslims practise Islam peacefully every day. As I've already said, its the radical fringe which operates under a perversion of the religion which you are, rightfully, angry about.
>>12766695
I'm entirely critical of radical Islam, I'm just smart enough to recognise that most practising Muslims aren't terrorists - just as most practising Christians, Buddhists, and Sikhs aren't terrorists.

>>12766718
Wow you're a real hero and I respect your brave opposition to people who burn people alive in cages by posting comments online saying "that's bad".

That totally justifies your utter complacency when it comes to the repression of many ideologies deemed too dangerous and the privileged state that religious ideology holds.

What shoulder do You want your medal?

>>12766718
eco-fascists practice their beliefs peacefully every day. its the radical fringe which operates under a perversion of the ideas which you are, rightfully, angry about.

>>12766755
Amen, brother.

This attack was just part and parcel of living in a major city.

These bigots forget that you are 5000x more likely to be killed by a falling coconut than an ecofascist.

>>12766751
There's no need to get touchy, anon. You're still making the misguided claim that Islam is a radical ideology, when really it's only the extremist interpretations of Islam that are radical. It's a fallacy to say that eco-fascism, or any other such fringe ideology, is comparable. Those fringe political ideologies have, at their centre, a requirement of violence on the part of the ideologues. White supremacy, for example, requires that there is an inbuilt hatred for all non-white peoples - and this leads to violence. Islam, as it is practised now by most people (i.e. peacefully) does not require that same violence of its followers - only the radical interpretations of the Quran do.

>>12766793
your lies don't work here la'. go back to facebook, there people still believe islam is a religion of peace.

>>12766808
>durr GO BAK TO FAYBOOK

Incredible, glad to see the eco-fascist movement is in a safe pair of hands with your galaxy-sized brain.