/lit/ - Literature

>>12761033
GR is fun as fuck

This chart sucks, somebody post a good one

>Implying Alan Moore's novels are worse than Tolkien.
Absolute pseud

>>12761245
Maybe thats what this thread is about. Post a better one nigger.

I went through this twitter thread and listed all the books they designated ''red flags''

>>12761316
this is a good one

Could someone make a Chart on Ethics please?

>>12761316
Interesting how many of these are by white American men. Almost like there's some kind of unconscious bias on the part of these Twitter thots
Oh well, at least they left my boys Steinbeck and Melville out of this.

>>12761303
I don’t have any cracker

>>12761617
>>12761303
And I’m too lazy to make one

>>12761623
Type one out then. I'm reasonably new to /lit/ and would like to know what you people have to say.

>>12761597

desu I was shocked by ''marley and me''

>>12761033
moby dick is super fun (if you can deal with the whale manual portions, which i personally didn't much)
plus ulysses is fun, at parts. still in the middle of it and i'm intimidated as all hell

>>12761316
Interesting how much of this is baby's first edgy novel or private school ennui core: all stuff that's both tiresome and aspirational.

>>12761316
I'm glad I love all of those (including Marley and Me). I'd never go on a date with some hyper-liberal Twitter thot and the idea that they think such a list even remotely impacts true intellectuals is laughable.

>>12761316
why are white western twitter women the way they are?

>16 replies in a chart thread and no actual chart posted

>>12762004

I posted >>12761316 tyvm

>>12761033
Crime and Punishment is genuinely enjoyable though

>>12762004
Should add The Kindly Ones to that list

>>12762025
>real

>>12762004

>Babyfucker

has anyone actually read this book?

I can't understand the appeal at all

>>12761316
This whole thread is gold. Pic related is exactly how I imagine someone who doesn't want to date you because of your favorite book/author (which is Lolita in this case).

>>12762348
>make up all over the face making you look like a ghost, accented with very red makeup

why do white women do this
is it to cover wrinkles or something?

t. white supremacist

>>12762168
which one is the best one on the subject?

>>12762168
communism sounds good on paper but it never works

>>12762399
To cover up and/or distract from imperfections.

>>12762502
In one sentence, communism has been refuted

>>12762502
Japan adopts capitalism and suffers rolling famines:
>this was necessary for industrialization
India has capitalism force on them from abroad and suffers multiple famines:
>this was necessary for industrialization
World Bank and IMF's free trade demands for African nations depresses their once rising wages:
>this was necessary for their development
Privatization of Post-Soviet Russia leads to biggest drop of life expectancy in human history:
>this was necessary for economic growth
9.1 million die of starvation ever year:
>it's okay because obesity is a bigger problem than ever too
Stalin and Mao industrialize and collectivize massive agrarian nations over a relatively short period and famines occur:
>see, communism is good on paper but it never works

>>12762168
>Marx
>Fromm
>Zizek

>>12762654
except that japan, india, post soviet russia and the majority of nations where the world bank and imf intervened are still here, with at least semi-capitalist systems. the soviet union went bankrupt and china's trade economy is extremely capitalist.

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http://tripleampersand.org/altwoke-companion/

>>12762660
What’s wrong with Fromm?

>>12762496
The "best" is probably Kaptail but most of them are really good, even for the capitalist.
>>12762654
High iq
>>12763204
Yes because eternal dept is the "working" system.

I love it when some cunt on /r/books regurgitates a /lit/ chart and everyone on /r/books thinks that /lit/ is a secret enclave of misunderstood geniuses.

When will they realise that post2016 /lit/ DOES NOT READ

kek

Chart archive
https://mega.nz/#F!i74ljAyA!q-k3-msTUs6a_PVfJPLkeA
Charts on wikia
https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki/Charts?li_source=LI&li_medium=wikia-footer-wiki-rec

>>12762004
>Frisk
That book gave me nightmares.

>>12761301
>>12761033
>tolkein is bad
thank god /lit/ hasn't discovered the inklings. I can't imagine how peverted barfield's reformed romantic anthroposophy would be under the supervision of such base minds.

I heard bad opinions about this chart. Can you give some alternatives?

>>12762004
>Sade
Kill yourself.

>>12763513
why the FUCK would you read the same book over and over again. zizek is literally famous for writing the same garbage in all of his books and even plagiarizing himself

>>12761316
At least Ulysses is still cool

>>12763307
Wow this one's really bad.

>>12763243
marxist

>>12763900
> Land

>>12762348

What a fine specimen. I shall write a sonnet about her bountiful fivehead

>>12761033
>OP has read every graphic novel unpublished and deemed it shit

Next.

>>12762348
>>12762399
She's wearing an abundance of red because she is absolutely desperate for someone to love her, or at least throw her a pity fuck.
No woman who reads to this extent can be naturally naive about colour theory like this.
She's only pushing away imaginary Lolita fans to give away the secondary assumption that people approach her in the first place, which they don't, else-wise you wouldn't have this hyper-made-up-doll-face smothered in red (her bra shirt also bright red) making such an eager diluted pupil faced photo sent out to potentially millions.

>>12764066
I thought women wore red lipstick to hide herpes. Wasn't that why the romans invented it? I don't know. It's ugly though.

>>12764087
That's another good call.
Typically speaking when a woman denies a man it's quite plausibly in situations where she can be seen, an indicator that she values herself more than the person she denied, in an attempt that the man in the room she liked might see this value. Brainy people pretend they aren't shallow as a last defence, Brainy people who admit they are shallow are often just celibate and not in any involuntary way, no games etc.

>>12764117
>Brainy people who admit they are shallow are often just celibate
This is why I am asexual.

>>12763870
has anyone actually gone through this chart? just go to uni ffs

>>12763805
lmao @ this chart rn

>>12762654
>Japan adopts capitalism and suffers rolling famines
Source
>India has capitalism force on them from abroad and suffers multiple famines:
India has a caste system, have high tax/redistribution rates, doesn't have a free market
>World Bank and IMF's free trade demands for African nations depresses their once rising wages:
Wrong
>Privatization of Post-Soviet Russia leads to biggest drop of life expectancy in human history:
Only in Russia due to wrong transition methods. Poland and other blocs fared well. https://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/world/europe/16europe.html
>9.1 million die of starvation ever year:
In countries with low free trade rate yes
>it's okay because obesity is a bigger problem than ever too
Due to the technological society. Same problem would continue in a hypothetical but realistic transition to a left wing gov't considering left wingers would conserve the technological society.
>Stalin and Mao industrialize and collectivize massive agrarian nations over a relatively short period and famines occur
That's what we call "central planning".

>>12763755
Kill me i have almost read all of these

>>12763421
Yhe tiger
He destroyed his cage
Yes
YES
The tiger is out

>>12761316
>Lolita
>Catcher in the Rye
>Fight Club
Are they expecting every person who reads these to automatically have the opinion "you know, the main character might be onto something here" or some shit?

>>12763840
I suppose No Longer Human would disqualify due to the sex?
I am Legend could go on there
>incel
>angry
>alone
>alcoholic
>wants to kill himself but knows he won't and doesn't know why he won't

>>12763805
Fucking kek'd

>>12763625
I don’t even like Vonnegut but Slapstick is great. This person basically likes all the Vonnegut I hate and hates what little I like of him

>>12763870
>I can't handle maths
>Unreadable edition

>>12762004
Good version of this chart coming in

>>12761316
>BNW
what is controversial about that book?

>>12764980
>Are they expecting every person who reads these to automatically have the opinion "you know, the main character might be onto something here" or some shit?
Not every person who reads it but the people who say these books are their favorite book usually have that opinion.

>>12763908
And what's wrong with Fromm?

>>12766922
Good chart, but I've come to appreciate Garfield on new levels after hearing Barrymore's brilliant analysis, which I will link to below. I would argue that any Garfield chart is incomplete without its presence, since only the most advanced readers would be able to fully penetrate such a layered body of work without any external help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh9oLs67Cw

>>12762654
Capitalism fails in a few countries that are late adopters

Communism fails in every country that adopted it

>>12761316
Half of this is edgy basic-bitch core, a justified selection.

Looking for depression/melancholia chart

>>12763457
no Your Lie in April?

next, please.

>>12761782
Naked lunch is only grouped with those novels by people who have never read it.

>>12767710
It's in the archive

charts for farming and gardening books?
or other books for useful skills?

>>12767710

>>12767710

>>12768506
>>12768528
thanks. any recommendations from this list?

>>12768506
I wouldn't say Stoner to be depressing. Quite wholesome and stoic. Most of the parts just made me happy because Stoner wouldn't give up and commit suicide.

>>12768642
Add pastures quadrant by Donald stokes to that.

>>12762004
>>12766967
hey jw do y'all have any idea where i might find eden eden eden in english?

>>12768817
Libgen

>>12762004
Ligotti definitely belongs on there but I would swap out Songs of a Dead Dreamer & Grimscribe with My Work Is Not Yet Done: Three Tales of Corporate Horror. Songs of a Dead Dreamer & Grimscribe have some pretty fucked up stories but nothing as relentlessly pessimistic as My Work Is Not Yet Done (the main story of the Three Tales of Corporate Horror collection). MWINYD focuses on a wannabe office shooter who tortures and kills his coworkers in some pretty disturbing ways.

>>12761033
Where does the "Dostoevsky is unenjoyable" meme come from? Were plebs forced to read him in high school? He has an immensely enjoyable sense of humor and a lot of crazy stuff happens in his novels.

>>12762502
Communism isn't possible yet. It can only come about when the automation revolution is complete. Marx and the revolutionaries inspired by him severely misjudged the timeline. As an ideology it makes more sense every passing day, but is still infinitely inferior to capitalism at the moment of this post.

>>12768885
I do remember reading a passage from C&P in high school.

>>12768913
What did your class think of it?

>>12768945
They were barely interested because no one took literature classes as serious thing.

>>12768506
god I hate wide sargasso sea, that book did not need to exist, Jane eyre is perfectly fine

>>12761033

>>12761316
Ayn Rand really is shitty though.

>>12763261
>>12763536
>>12763870
>>12763880
>>12767336
no one reads this shit. stop posting it

>>12762168
>>12763421
>>12763746
>>12763805
>>12763900
>>12763900
>>12763900
>>12765639
>>12766955
>>12767091
>>12767150
>>12767336

cant tell if these are serious

>>12765420
>soft sci fi
>all of its garbage
New wave was a mistake

>>12770906
Too skewed to modern novels, and confusingly mixes them with much older sources.

>>12763457
No Evangelion?

>>12763725
damn i didn't know anyone else that read dictionary of the khazars expect myself

>>12761033
What's the theme? Just looks like random stuff put together in an image.

>>12770819
This one could have been really useful but woever made it is a retard

1/2

2/2

>>12763513
>>12763524
>zizek
Get the f*ck outta here

>>12763411
I love the "music" genre. what am I in for with this "literature".

any history charts lads?

>>12771239
fuck off fascist

>>12771754
what if I want to read his christian apologies? I mean, I know the books on the subject he's written, but I know little more than that

>>12761033
Is there some software that /lit/ uses to make these charts, or is it all just done in some image editing program?

Anybody have a chart for Hindu philosophy?

>>12762348
IIRC, the person who called Lolita a "red flag" is a self-hating pseud. She called it a great book that she had read several times. Somehow, calling it your favorite book is still a red flag? Maybe with braindead normies. But if you have any respect for your date's thinking skills, then you should have no problem saying the truth.

>>12771838

2/4

>>12763683
thanks for this

>>12771773
None of those are actually good.
>road to reality, Penrose
>pastures quadrant, stokes
Read these and then we'll talk
t.scifag due to unfortunate decisions in life

>>12761316
in all fairness, most of those books suck

>>12763625
>a Vonnegut chart
lol this is like having a chart for Stephen King

>>12762502
that's literally every 12 year old's opinion on communism. Go out and ask a 12 year old what they think about communism.
1. "i dont know"
2. "it sounds good on paper but in reality doesnt work"

Does anyone have a guide for reading Evola?

>>12772293
Start with mystery of the grail, that is the common recommendation

>>12766418
>pick the cover design you like
kek mate

>>12772270
>i have to read 20 books just to be able to say that it's not going to work in more complicated way

>>12772293

>>12772777
Much thanks

>>12772777
will i get smarter from reading evola?

>>12772876
>>12772777
>>12772856
if you seriously think evola has anything worth saying, you're already a brainlet

>>12772888
>you're already a brainlet
elaborate on why evola isnt worth reading?

>>12772888
Am I just supposed to take your word for it? REEEE harder fag.

>>12773478
Did he love boys?

i've been meaning to ask but didnt want to create thread. do i really need to read all previous proust works? (i took Time Regained from library)

>>12762502
Thanks daddy

>>12766967
>>12762004

where the fuck does one even cop Behead All Satans?

/his/ charts there
https://imgur.com/a/7YLKv

>>12774727
because it's meme

>>12761575
>What is google search?
Just look up what university courses are giving students as required reading.

>>12762004
>getting rid of irish subhumans and stopping them from breeding like rats
>"Dark" and """""""""Disturbing"""""""""""

>>12774525
Half of the books have the title in moon.

>>12761316
kek'd

>>12763457
>no jojo
Trash list

>>12762033
Yeah, I don't get why people classify Dostoevsky as pseud/posturing-core. When I read TBK I couldn't put it down at parts, I hadn't been that into a book since I was a kid. Didn't Nabokov say he wrote soap operas? Nothing particularly elitist about it.

>>12763457
>shigurui
>berserk
>vagabond
>historie
Based

>>12763421
Reading the Life of Pi atm, my god that first part is a slog. Dedicating 130 pages to the origins of his name and him finding three different religions as a 12 year old becomes incredibly uninteresting, how did this book sell so well...

>>12761316
>top lass Rand gets TWO mentions on the sjw butthurt list
Pottery

>>12763625
timequake was so fucking trash

>>12761316
Can't argue with this. If someone told me any of these was their favourite book I would immediately think less of them, and would never date them unless they were very attractive

>>12773581
where does mr palomar fit into this? its the first thing ive read by him and im not really sure im grasping the point of it

>>12763575
Based, and Jamespilled

Does anybody have that chart about “books to understand post-modern society”?

>>12777281
If there's no list, I'd suggest checking

Lyotard: postmodern condition
&
Baudrillard: Simulacra and simulation

>>12763536
Prot trash. Real the DR.

>>12777972
No Rudyard Kipling?

>>12771065
thanks, good reply, that's helpful

>>12777041
Mr Palomar is a weird place to start with. It's more in the vein of his short story collections, though not as good as Marcovaldo or Cosmicomics.

>>12762168
Where is Towards a new socialism?

>>12763755
Fixed it.

>>12770985
It's right fucking there you absolute retard

>>12773802
So what would be highwit-core?

Does anybody have the /lit/ guide to comfy literature chart?

>>12761316
i have new respect for Rand. the butthurt she causes is amazing

>>12766967
This is so wildly inconsistent you can tell someone just googled “creepy books.”

A Modest Proposal and Babyfucker are entirely incomparable.

>>12766931
>joseph boyden
>first nations

whew okay boyo

>>12763433
this is surprisingly really good.

>>12763485
this is awful. how is this even a chart, its just a pointless list

>>12770819
Oh I don't know if anyone cares but that critical thinking book "Creative and Critical Thinking" is impossible to find online. I'm starting a new job on on monday when I get paid I'm buying a used copy and making a pdf. I'll post it here for the boys

>>12761316
This is a pretty good list actually.

I don’t really understand what is bad about “Infinite Jest”.

Also did anyone else see “Eat Pray Love” on the Chart? WTF? I wish she would have Tweeted why they are flagged by her

>>12781317
I'm waiting

>>12773486
finishing 1q84 now.
not worth

>>12781317
Absolute lad, keep up the good work mate

>>12777039

Don't worry -- their disgust at your your disgust is undoubtedly mutual.

>>12767694
>>12772216

If any of you are feeling brave, then by all means publish YOUR list of red flag books. Otherwise, simply concentrate on getting the sand out of your genitalia and leave /lit/.

>>12761033
Anybody got a /lit/ guide to poetry chart?

>>12761316
What is wrong with Hunter Thompson and Pynchon?

>>12773750
best in thread.

>>12781791
As human beings, probably just as much as the rest of us. As authors of the works in question, only their complete lack of foresight in not being born non-binary children with helicopter mommies.

>>12781770
Image limit
There should be
https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki/Charts

>>12771114
Que Que de la fique. Mula no inspiracione vive la ferounicimone intelectuale.

>>12781791
white men

>>12763457
based as fuck for recognizing ultra heaven, gonna check some of these others out. thanks anon

>>12781791
No idea why Pynchon.

Hunter S. Thompson, probably because of all the drugs, hallucinogens, booze, general misanthropy, disregard for authority...

Is there one for the crusades?

>>12763889
>no kostantinos kavafis

>>12763805
this but unironically

Subversive literature? Especially looking for stuff that questions the fundamental authority of governmental bodies. The US founding fathers would be a good place to start but after that I wouldn't know.

>>12761033
Graphic Novel are not the same as literature.

I hate how some americans see comics as an subproduct of literature. That's wrong. Comics are an art form on its own.

>>12763261
Awful chart.

>>12771114
THIS IS AN AMERICAN-SPEAKING BOARD STOP POSTING THIS MEXICAN SHIT

>>12774525
How do I even read some of these? Also anyone have any more personal charts

>>12779963
the legacy of totalitarianism in the tundra

>>12784525
half of these doesn't exist

>>12761316
What's wrong with BNW?
>>12762348
She's cute.

>>12761301
>novels
Nice try

>>12761033
Love You Forever is honestly so fucking based.

Does anyone have that homosexual chart? I just want more edgy gay stuff like mishima and hogg

any actually good light novel charts?

>>12785559
This one?

>>12761033
made by someone who has never read

>>12785812
No but this one is great too ty

O.Moseley chart?

Someone post a chart for someone who loves little girls plz..

>>12781632
You don't understand the point being made. The question is not 'is eg Gravitys Rainbow a good book?' It's 'which books, if brought up by a date, are red flags?'
And while Gravity's Rainbow is a good book, its definitely a red flag regards dating. Ask yourself who would bring that book up in conversation on a date, and why. A person who does such a thing is either socially inept, pretentious, or attempting to brag, or all three.

>>12786290
There's Lolita and hmmmm... I sure enjoyed Netochka Nezvanova, notably the scenes Netochka and Katya were loving and kissing each other in secret. Really cute moment.

>>12761597
>unconscious

>>12786533
Thanks but I'm looking for something like The ice Palace by Tarjei Vessas, Tiger Tiger By Fragosso and Lamb by Bonnie Nadzam

>>12774774
...does it not exist?

>>12770545
>implying Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? is garbage
PKD > your favorite sci-fi author

>>12771773
>Sam Harris
Wow, I didn't know /sci/ is fucking retarded.

>>12777972
Solid list, but it needs some Kipling. He was one of the best short story writers of the 19th century.

>>12786626
it exists

contributing

>>12761316
no lord of the rings? no harry potter? no game of thrones? no hunger games? no dosto? no tolstoy? no stephen king? no mccarthy? let this be a lesson to you all, girls aren't into 'analyzing' literature, they like things that are entertaining and they can take at face value. they don't like the idea of a guy being so indecisive and weak-minded that he has to be persuaded by a book, placing his trust in another flawed human being. nothing turns them off more than hearing, 'well, i think it makes some good points.' it would seem they are wary of 'subversive' literature, like the red scare of the 50's in the opposite direction. i don't take this seriously at all, i had a girlfriend i introduced to the fountainhead and it became one of her favorite books.

>>12763457
no fist of north star, no ninja scroll, no md geist, no cybercity 808, no genocyber, no trigun, no bebop, no tekkonkinkreet, no tokyo godfathers, who made this shit?

>>12761316
just realized the most glaring oversight in this list: A Clockwork Orange. Also, 1984