/lit/ - Literature

the nobel prize isn't some divinely ordained ontological status granter. it's a conventional prize, whose committee is presided over by fallible human beings who make decisions based on fallible criteria such as current fashion and personal taste

>>12746149
I can't say for certain, but if the answer does not in some way involve Jews I will eat my hat and remain thereafter hatless and scorned

>>12746149
Nietzsche was declaring himself dynamite thirteen years before the prize existed, so they can't give it to anyone good.

Russell was a great writer even if you aren't fond of his philosophy.

>Born in Stockholm, Alfred Nobel was the third son of Immanuel Nobel (1801–1872), an inventor and engineer of Jewish descent, and Carolina Andriette (Ahlsell) Nobel (1805–1889)

murakami will win before he dies

>>12746149
Murakami is like vomit having diarrhea

>>12746240
no he wont the comity doesnt like him

>>12746319
because he is the hero of incels. the comity sees that as a big "no-no", the basedboi cucks!

>>12746359
he is a pulp fiction writer and that is why the comity does not like him.

>>12746149
Houellebecq will win this year. Mark my words, faggots.

>>12746149
You forgot that I never won it. That's okay, but in fifty years leaving my name off the list will be blasphemy.

Bob Dylan is unironically a better poet than most all time great poets.

This poster actually believes Gaddis, Gass, Mishima and fucking Murakami are more important writers than TS Eliot.

there will never ever ever be another nobel prize for literature mark my words.

also ishiguro is hot garbage

>>12746191
Didn't quite pull this joke off anon, sorry, maybe next time

>>12746478
He's no Dante.

>>12746176
You can always involve Jews, it's only a matter of rhetorical ingenuity.

>>12746149
Many factors. The Nobel prize in literture is supposed to be awarded to authos who disaply "an ideal" whatever that means. In the past that has prevented authors considered too pessimistic or not froward-looking enough (like Zola, Ibsen or even Toltoy) from getting it.

In the first years of the prize the "ideal" stipulation was more narrowly interpreted as "national ideal", hence why many of the first recipient were nationalist writers and/or wrote in dialect.

There were also political considerations particularly in time of war.

Later the committee's ideal of ideal has been broadened and the emphasis on ideals of whatever sort has been weakened. Still this has allowed to exclude writers on idealgical or political grounds (see for instance Borges).

There is also the problem of only awarding one person a year: so if someone is promising you might want to wait, and if someone is solid but not hotly relevant to the issues of the day you might actually sideline him in favor of more immediately relevant writers, because you know the guy, solid as he is, will keep writing books and eventually you'll a good year to give him the prize.

More broadly you could describe this as the "maybe next year" syndrome: if you have to choose among a long list of worthy candidates, all of them except one are going to wait at least one year more. Year after year this can lead one writer to dying before receiving the prize (as it happened with Valéry I think). Likewise in a year when there are only subpar candidates one of them is going to get the prize, however reluctant the academy may feel in awarding it.

>>12746478
Dylan is a hack whose flashy yet ultimately empty.lyrics did nothing other than seal the fate of the American folk tradition. The award he received is nothing more than the triumph of consumerism.over all culture. Dylan is one of the few artists to have made the world a worse place.with his work.

Bump

>>12746149
While it largely is just politics and celebrity, they show a desire to actually reward people from time to time for their accomplishments, Obama gives hope everywhere he goes.

>>12746176
Based!

Bertrand Russell is based and jfkpilled
http://22november1963.org.uk/bertrand-russell-16-questions-on-the-assassination

>>12746478

>Who is Leonard Cohen
>Who is Joni Mitchell
>Who is Joanna Newsom

The only reason anyone thinks Dylan is a decent poet is because he plagiarized medieval ballads for forty years

>>12746149
they don't award posthumous prizes as far as i know

>>12746163
What is the divinely ordained ontological status granter?

>>12746176
It involves Swedes. So yes.

>>12746149
I think even Dylan was confused when he won that nobel