/lit/ - Literature

>>12718694
it's not a statement, it's a sentiment, thus cannot be refuted

All Cretans are liars
t. a Cretan

I believe that the argument is not that nothing is true as a universal, but rather that even by the logic of our own metanarratives (which are being used to justify our aformentioned statement), objective truth cannot be known.
In other words, even assuming the arbitrary preference of truth over falsehood, the statement "nothing is true", is correct (for lack of a better term). Although this seeming contradiction would appear to be a huge fault in postmodern thinking, writers of this tradition are well aware of it. That is where the characteristic cynicism, irony and sarcasm comes from: they are not taking themselves too seriously.

What do you mean by "nothing is true"?

>>12718761
not OP but clearly "everything is false"

however this statement may be, itself, false. we know one thing is true and self-evident.

>>12718802
The cogito isn't unrefutable lmao. "is" is probably unrefutable, but there's some madman that's annihilated even that

>>12718811
>The cogito isn't unrefutable lmao.
It absolutely is rock solid. Nobody can refute it without refuting language, and then you're in a boat with the sophists.

>>12718821
Whats wrong with the sophists? Neezuh my dude

>>12718828

wow OP you sure owned that strawman
pray tell, where did you learn such wisdom?

>>12718829
This is a legitemate question. Why is truth better than untruth? You can't just stick your fingers in your ear and pretend TSZ didn't happen

>>12718835
I will give you a legitimate answer. Because humanity needs truth. We depend on it for our transactions, for civilization, for oaths, for anything where one human trusts another's word. Without truth, one cannot act in good faith for long. Whereas untruth is quickly revealed for what it is. That is why truth is better than untruth. Witness the truth affecting your mind even at this moment.

>>12718845
but does the universe need humans?

>>12719228
irrelevant. without humans there is no truth and no untruth.

>>12719232
truth exists outside observation

>>12719232
therefore there is no truth except human truth and human is a spook therefore there is no truth

>>12719244
we're outside the scope of the original question.

but no, you're wrong. the truth you're talking about depends on language. interpretation. that requires humans.

>>12719255
just trying to bring it up to something resembling actual thought but oh well

>>12719265
ok buddy

>>12719244
A rock is not true or false. Statements about the rock are either true or false.

>>12719285
is there a particular species of living matter that makes statements?

>>12718802
>>12718821
Violent retardation