/lit/ - Literature

ye bro no value mos def

>>12707378
What 14 yo wrote your pic related?

>>12707390
I always see people saying it has no point or purpose. I enjoy it though, and looking at it from that prespective seems so inhumanely utilitarian and reductive.
>>12346369

It has value to me. I don't give a fuck what you value.

that post is fiction

>>12707378
>fiction can never deliver truth
fak off

Non-fiction, representing science, mathematics, engineering, law, medicine etc helps society to survive and continue

Art, music, literature, fine foods and wine, beauty, truth, virtue, God- these are WHY society should survive and continue

Utilitarians are like a person fixing a bicycle to get to a beautiful beach but he thinks the whole point is the bicycle so he just continues making it more and more efficient without ever just going to the fucking beach and watching a sunset over the waves

>>12707405
Lain told and predicted more truth about the internet than anything else. I would say fiction often tells more truth than any other medium.

>>12707378
Fiction helps giving context to an idea you have, making it easy for people to understand it. Take Jesus and his Allegories, he could teach it directly, but people were so stupid that he had to use fiction to teach.

Obviously not. See: The Bible.

Fiction creates a non-real reality where every aspect is conceived and controlled by its creator(s). Lessons and themes from fiction are worthless because the stories and characters are not real and exist in a world where things are inherently different from the world of our own. It's for children who want escapism. Moby-Dick is no better than some low budget Japanese isekai.

>>12708075
There is nothing wrong with low budget Japanese isekai.

>>12708075
>The world of our own
Factually incorrect. I don't live in the same world as yours, and you don't live in the same as mine.
If I want it to be, your perspective is arbitrarily more worthless than the one of another stranger. Hence it is not escapism, it's research.

Furthermore, the world of someone might tell me more about mine than I could learn myself from living it. Thus fiction has value, since it's one of the few ways to find out more about 「The World」

>>12707378
>implying "non-fiction" can deliver truth
words alone cannot deliver truth, the only truth is in the thing itself

>>12708115
If we do not participate in the same reality, how can we communicate? If not reality, what is a world?

>>12707378
>Hugo and Dickens the best novelists of all time

>>12707378
>he thinks objective truth is actually attainable in any form of literature

>>12707378
>of all time
This person has read all fiction of the future? How?

>>12707378
Literature has no more value. It's dead. Nowadays a tv series is more culturally relevant than books.

>>12707378
Value is subjective, and it has value for me.

>>12707378
such a brainlet take

who wrote that?

Fiction is truth without facts

History (non-fiction) has all the right dates and names but often little to no truth.

I think Taleb said that and I really liked it

>>12708404
Lol. There's no future literature. It has long time that it's dead.

>>12708435
What is truth?
It sounds like you're talking about feeling.

>>12708427
>I like it, therefore it's important :)

Non fiction is fiction

>>12708517
where is the lie?

>>12708562
>it didn't happen unless I experienced it with all five of my senses

>>12708075
Even some of the most objective non-fiction accounts WWII have to be predicated on an axiom. Anything we create will likely always be a pale reflection of the becoming of reality. Fiction serves to reflect the relationship between the mind and that pale reflection, and vice versa. This is reductive, but don't get it twisted.
People read some of the hardest historical books in the world with the purpose of escaping their boring lives.

>>12708630
At the heart of your vain and fruitless desires.

>>12707378
>words are for truth

>>12707378
You have to be picky with either. Derivative fiction is just as bad as facts presented in a malicious or misconstrued narrative.