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Why are so many books, taught in high school, garbage hamfisted socialist commentary? As opposed to actually captivating books that inspire kids to write better?

>> No.12684882

We did this in school, too. I actually thought it was quite captivating at the time; not so great after months of dissecting though.
We also did Of Mice and Men, which is also great and got me into Steinbeck/ reading in earnest.
I don't think school reading lists are that bad at all.

>> No.12684995

>>12684882
Hi fellow ukfag

Also the guy in inspector calls was kinda cucked desu...just proved women can get whatever they want and that they literally cant be homeless

>> No.12685015

I did inspector calls, Jekyll and Hyde and romeo and juliet
Didn't like inspector calls
Was indifferent to Jekyll and Hyde but still think the concept is great
Absolutely loved romeo and juliet and remains one of my fav shakespeares

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>>12684853
This is a mediocre play for feminists.

'Time and the Conways' is the superior Priestley work. The capitalist shy short guy is the actual hero while everyone else is a mean asshole.

>> No.12685494

I teach GCSE English, I'd like to know what /lit/ thinks of these poems my students have to study
>Ozymandias - Shelley
>London - Blake
>an extract from the Prelude - Wordsworth
>My Last Duchess - Browning
>Charge of the Light Brigade - Tennyson
>Exposure - Owen
>Storm on the Island - Heaney
>Bayonet Charge - Hughes
>Remains - Armitage
>Poppies - Weir
>War Photographer - Duffy
>Tissue - Dharker
>The Emigree - Rumens
>Checking Out Me History - Agard
>Kamikaze - Garland

>> No.12685507

>>12685494
Why no Kipling or Arnold?

>> No.12685523

>>12684853
most of the teachers who set the curriculums pick books they like and also can indoctrinate the youths with. A decent amount of UK school teachers are 'feminists'.

However, what I discovered personally is that a lot of feminist-slanting books tend to be quite radical and so you can pretty easily just debate the ridiculous position of the characters in these books straight off.
I never made any teachers mad either because I'm no misogynist at heart and I contribute to the class a whole lot.
A lot of feminist books seem to be perversely revelling in the dystopian worlds they write about, it's almost as if they enjoy being punished.
If I understood that as a kid I'm sure the "socialist progressive" ploy is actually counter-intuitive.

>> No.12685731

>>12685494
pretty shit barrel-scraping collection, but
>ozymandias
>prelude
>my last duchess
>remains
are all considerably based. rest are either boring or preachy, though it makes sense to have them in an exam

>> No.12685754

>>12685494
needs some keats imo
as a young lad that shit inspired me

>> No.12685848

>>12685731
I also like Exposure and Storm on the Island but yes I completely agree otherwise

>> No.12686070

>>12685523
I went through the entire schooling system without ever once being assigned a feminist text (aside from literally one poem where the feminist underpinning wasn't even that overt).

I wasn't actually assigned overt feminist material until I took an English class in uni, and even then it was just Woolf and Angela Carter rather than anything too radical. I wonder why that was the case for me.

>> No.12686370

>>12685494
I did my english GCSE four years ago, and a lot of these are familiar. Do they really change it that infrequently? London is one of the worst poems I've ever read, tissue too.

>> No.12686571

>>12685494
Fucking hell you actually DO teach English. It's weird to think my teachers might be using 4chan. Are you doing Jekyll and Hyde?

>> No.12686666

>>12686370
It's definitely a different specification because it's 9-1 rather than A*-G, maybe someone just really likes Tissue and wants to promote its literal who creator

>> No.12686675

>>12686571
No, we’re doing Ma Rainey’s Black Bottom you racist

>> No.12686689

>>12685494
Do you still teach that one book, "Heroes" about the war vet with no face whose waifu gets molested in front of him?

>> No.12686697

I saw this live. It seems more like a topical peice than anything

>> No.12686700

>>12686571
No, we're doing The Sign of the Four, but Jekyll and Hyde is an option for the 19th century novel along with Jane Eyre and A Christmas Carol
>>12686689
No

>> No.12686859

>>12686700
Good, it was fucking garbage

>> No.12686881

>>12684882
I didn't really like Of Mice and Men but I like to recall the image of a large man crushing a woman's head.

I did it today in fact.

Also I saw a theatrical adaptation of it at the gatehouse and the bird who played the aforementioned woman was very attractive.

>> No.12686882

>>12686571
under 18s get out, reported

>> No.12686934

>>12685494
It's better than ten years ago at least.

As I recall the old syllabus of poetry was almost entirely Armitage/Duffy/Zephaniah/Some other twat, possibly with a few of Shakespeare's sonnets. My memory of that time is a bit fuzzy because it really wasn't interesting.

What is your opinion on the poems you teach? I like some of those, but I can think of more engaging works by those poets.

>> No.12687324

What do you expect from public schools that are run by councils of elected Democrats and Republicans? It's a bunch of nonsense and training in secular-civic participation.

Whatever good things you learn in public school are in spite of it.

You are responsible for your own education once you have reached adulthood.