/lit/ - Literature

Cope

>>12671391
We can change this, the leftwing has been on the rise and the right know this.

>>12671391
It does appear that way

>>12671391
>E. M. Forster
Huh? I thought he was like a Bloomsbury liberal

Borges and junger too

>>12671391
>Yeats
right-wing is a stretch, although he was an irish nationalist
>Eliot
overrated but highly influential
>Nabokov
wildly overrated narcissist, great prose stylist tho
>Mishima
faggot
>Henry James
closet faggot
>DH Lawrence
would've been a faggot if he knew what faggotry was
>Hamsun
giving him the nobel was a mistake
>Waugh
"greatest writers of the 20th century"
>Forster
Classical liberal faggot, fascist in formal wear, guess he fits, but a prince of minor writers at best
>Conrad
underrated faggot

op it's almost as if to write full-time you have to come from money, and leftists want to eat the rich, and fascists let rich people keep their money

>>12671411
thanks for the screencap anon adding this to my lit humor collection

"fuck jannies and fuck niggers.....except for my lovely cat, nigger man"

Joyce towers over them all.

Guess what bitch

>During this period Joyce took an active interest in socialism. He had attended socialist meetings when he was still in Dublin and 1905, while in Trieste, he described his politics as "those of a socialist artist." Although his practical engagement waned after 1907 due to the "endless internecine warfare" he observed in socialist organizations, many Joyce scholars such as Richard Ellmann, Dominic Manganiello, Robert Scholes, and George J. Watson agree that Joyce's interest in socialism and pacifistic anarchism continued for much of his life, and that both the form and content of Joyce's work reflect a sympathy for democratic and socialist ideas. In 1918 he declared himself "against every state" and found much succor in the individualist philosophies of Benjamin Tucker and Oscar Wilde's The Soul of Man under Socialism.

Should look at theatre and film

O'Neill, Williams, Miller, Shaw, Welles, Chaplin etc...

There's also Steinbeck and Twain

>>12671391
Anybody who would refer to himself as a leftist would call Morrison and King liberals, not leftists, and would likely be more specific about what sort of leftist he is instead of using the catch-all boogeyman term. You are a far-right false-flagger and should work on your bait.

>>12671422
Agreed. Remember that Joyce published Portrait in The Egoist, an explicitly individualist-anarchist literary magazine. His novel appeared alongside essays arguing against capitalism and the State. Joyce tried not to let it enter his writing -- he loved Flaubert too much for that -- but he was probably a closet anarchist. Examine most 19th/20th century art movements and you'll find anarchists at the bottom of them

Fuck Libtards that is all

>>12671391
>no celine

>>12671411
had chuckle there... have good day anon!

>>12671411
>just this whole post
Yikes

>>12671399
I think it may be the other way around

>>12671391
Literally who?

>Orwell
>Steinbeck
>London
>Le Guin
>Shaw
>Hugo
>Twain
>Wilde
>Vidal
>Graves
>Ellison
>Paine
On and on.

>>12671563
It actually is not

>>12671570
It actually is

>>12671391
It just sounds like you have some sort of attraction to right wing writers since if I were to make a list of “the greatest writers of the 20th century” it would be a healthy mix of ideas

>>12671391
>Márquez
>not THE greatest writer of the 20th century
Sorry friend, you’re beyond saving.

>>12671590
>Márquez being the greatest writer of anything For soccer moms' reading clubs maybe.

>>12671573
The financial crises pus a squeeze on the people, they rise up, full throated socialism is brought back on the table. The oligarchy gets scared and starts to promote the nationalists as some sort of rising power. They are a minority. Noisy, legitimate issues on some levels, but France, for one, does. It want La Pen, much less Macrone. They lean very far left. The oligarchy resists this tendency any way they can.
A lot isn’t a majority.

>>12671596
>he measures literature in terms of which invented archetype he associates with it
>he needs daddy to approve his book before reading it
Small dick energy righ here.

>>12671604
Pus=put

Worthless spellcheck

>>12671391
>All the greatest writers of the 20th century were right-wing
I'm pretty sure that Joyce and Beckett weren't right wing.

>>12671610
Where are you from

>>12671604
>my face when a suck dem thinks that their side is organic and the "people" are rising up

>>12671604
Yeah cause its leftist who have started winning elections in Europe and America all of a sudden...
also
>muh nationalism is just a defense mechanism for the current power structure

>>12671391
You forgot borges

>>12671617
Olympus

>>12671618
The people do rise up when the squeeze is put on them. They are probably more interested in soc-dem policies, sure, but it’s “left” they want to go.

>>12671625
>he thinks we have actual democracy
Oh dear.

>>12671626
Borges was socialist in his youth. Later he just wanted nothing to do with the soft tankie running his country. I’d call him moderate.
Like Woolf. Staunch feminist, somewhat left, but way too bourgeois. Moderate

>>12671639
Do you have any evidence to support this shift outside of your own idealism? Even leftists themselves say that centrists and cons will overwhelmingly shift right in times of crisis.

>>12671655
He supported Pinochet's coup and accepted a prize from him. Leftists hate him.

>>12671391
Also, Lovecraft. Shit writer but highly influential

>>12671663
What crisis do you mean?

>>12671667
I suppose he cheered when he found out he was slaughtering people. Enough, ghoul.
>Lovecraft was highly influential—— to King

>>12671655
whether governmental systems are living up to their promises and professed ideals doesn't change how people are actually voting. Yes, Trump did not win the popular vote so it is a failure by the standards of direct democracy, a system America never claimed to have. But look at Germany, Austria, Hungary, Czechia, Italy or any other European country and you will see conservatives and right populists making massive gains.

>>12671681
"squeeze"
I am also>>12671685
btw

Thomas Mann was also left-wing

>>12671685
Italy has given a soft right a chance, it not just for the immigration issue. No Greece has given a left government rule for the same issue, oddly enough unrelated to immigration. That issue being the European Central Bank. It’s not just the UK feeling like the EU is raw deal.
Again, the rightwing are being pushed into the light, promoted by the oligarchy. They are their attack dogs. To capitalism what jihadists are to Islam. And so they may gain seats around the continent. So what? It’s a trick, and you believe the media.

>>12671707
*the EU is giving them a raw deal

>>12671422
>During this period
You mean during his youth before he developed a total distaste for all that sort of activity, and before he had written any masterpieces?

>>12671422
also lol at people who think the socialists of the time weren't literal raving eugenicists who loved totalitarianism. no, they were not "feeling the bern"

>>12671718
Did hitler ruin eugenics? All we uave now is soft tier babby shit like abortion

>>12671427
Orson is the only one with any talent on that list. Imagine thinking that George Bernard Shaw or Arthur Miller contributed to fine art.

>>12671438
Anarchists are the only group even more brainlet than fascists and gommies.

This is why reading non-philosophical literature is a waste of time; you’re essentially paying idiots who don’t know anything about thinking to give you shitty ideas in pretty lines.

>>12671707
ITT tripfags ruin an otherwise decent thread.

I hope the Uk goes through with Brexit and promptly becomes a third world wasteland completely dependent on either the US or China, if only so everyone will shut up about it. The EU government needs to listen to countries other than France and Germany; no, communism and fascism brought on by invoking populism are not good ideas. All sides are retarded.

This is why NEET-life with books is better. Dosto called this entire situation in Demons, and the period between the Dreyfus affair and WW have shown us exactly why what we’re doing now is stupid and where it will go, yet we persist.

May the mods kill /pol/ threads before they spread.

>who is Lorca
>Who is Neruda

Joyce was a leftist, Nabokov was a liberal, Mann was a leftist, Tolstoy was an anarchist, Flaubert was a liberal, Beckett was a leftist, Proust was a liberal. Holy shit, the list keeps going. Seems like the mediocrities are right wingers while the true greats are leftists, liberals, and anarchists.

>All we leftists have are morons and non-entities like Toni Morrison, Orwell, Garcia Marquez, and Stephen King
>how do you do, fellow leftists!

We have, off the top of my head,

>Hemingway
>Oscar Wilde
>Jack London
>Langston Hughes (inb4 cope)
>Steinbeck
>Ostrovsky
>Einstein
>Leonov
>Mark Twain
>Bertrand Russell
>Upton Sinclair
>Sartre
>Ralph Ellison
>Picasso

Not to mention

>Morrison and Marquez in the same category as King

lel

>>12671859
>Hemingway
>London
>Wilde
Not really "leftists" as you probably want them to be. Were racist and not given to any sort of politically correct nonsense. For them it was merely economics, on which they were in agreement with everyone from Hitler to Stalin.
Also a lot of hackworker on the list, eg, Sartre, Russell, Steinbeck
>>12671821
>Joyce
Purely economically, and gave it up in his adult years.
>Nabokov was a liberal
In the old sense of the word, yes. He was anti-gay, anti-commie, a strong supporter of both LBJ and Nixon for their efforts to succeed in Vietnam.

>Seems like the mediocrities are right wingers while the true greats are leftists
Shaw was a eugenicist who organically advocated for German style iron-fist government. "Leftist' in your sense of the word are really a recent thing.

>>12671888
>Shaw was a eugenicist who organically
unironically

>>12671888
>Not really "leftists" as you probably want them to be. Were racist and not given to any sort of politically correct nonsense. For them it was merely economics, on which they were in agreement with everyone from Hitler to Stalin.

Of those only London was a white supremacist, Hemingway and Wilde were not. Also

>implying I care about whether or not they were politically correct

I dont specifically seek out writers that agree with me politically it's just a bonus if they happen to. Steinbeck is definitely a bit mediocre but Sartre was definitely good, his theory and his fiction.

>>12671391
>no rand

This is why the left cant meme

>>12671903
Who said Hemingway and Wilde were white supremacists? They were racists.

>>12671794
>decent thread.
>pol bait
>decent
HAAAA HAHAHAHA

>This is why NEET-life with books
A parasite sucking on the states coffers? and you take le middle road? weird.

>>12671912
In what sense, they were prejudiced towards brown people, more comfortable around white people? I dont give a fuck lol the important thing is that they advocated a system where their personal opinion of someone wouldnt determine whether or not that person was able to live a dignified life

>>12671422
Individualist anarchism is probably the most right wing position there is.

>>12671604
>>12671604
>The oligarchy gets scared and starts to promote the nationalists as some sort of rising power.
How many communists and socialists are getting deplatformed en masse by the technocrats and governments.

>>12671919
>where their personal opinion
Because it wouldn’t have to since their system would be anti-immigrant, antigay, etc

>>12671707
>the right wing are being pushed
It’s literally emerging despite the status quo doinh everything it can to stop it. Nobody buys le leftist outsider meme anymore.

>>12671998
>>12672004
stop responding to it

>>12672005
Sry

>>12672007
It is understandable. It makes the most inane, retarded replies imaginable which are of no edification to any one.

>>12672004
Should have said propped up. And I acknowledged that they have their various issues, but the nationalist one appeals to less people than the media is letting on. Why? The swing voters are inching towards the far right for their anti-central bank slant.
>le leftist outsider meme
I don't know what this is supposed to mean.

>>12671998
Oh you're talking about social media from the US. I'm mostly talking about Europe right now.
Yeah those are companies privately owned by spineless liberals. They're assisting the Pentagon in trying to seat the new Democrat president (Harris) In the US there's two rightwing parties.

>>12672005
>it
When do you soduko?

>>12671391
What about Kafka,Joyce and Proust?

>>12671391
I won't judge Anglo lit, but this is certainly the case in French.
>Brasillach
>Drieu
>Bernanos
>Celine
>Gracq
>Raspail
>Green
>Claudel
The only tankie of real talent was malraux in his commie phase, though he eventually joined the mongaullian right.

>>12671411
>the amount of cope in this post

Major cringe.

>>12672049
Proust wrote much against socialism (it was in part personal history, he was marked by the troubles his family had to go through during the Paris commune).
Being effeminate is usually a strong inclination to the left but it is not the case here. He was also anti-nationalist, which is not at all a left position in his situation.

>>12672057
Robbe-Grillet was a great writer and he was a pedo apologist

>>12671391
>forgetting Kaczynski

Leftism is for the retarded.

>>12671794
>Brexit will turn the UK into a third world wasteland
Are you kidding? EU Migration policy is doing that at lightning speed. Native brits are set to become a minority in their own country by 2060, and Muslims are setting up their own areas to be governed by Islamic law.

How the hell did Britain become an empire without the EU? But suddenly they NEED the EU to not become a third world shithole? What logic is this?

Neo-libs are probably the stupidest demographic of voters in the west

>>12672021
>>12672041
>namefag
Fuck off to r*ddit

>>12671391
>Its another right winger false flagging as a leftist thread again

Dont you have anything better to be doing with your life? Also

>Orwell
>Moron
Your post just comes across as jealousy you couldn't be half the man he was

>>12671626
Everyone forgets Borges. =(
>>12671655
Wrong on Borges. He was a right wing, Spencerian anarchist. Something of a precursor to libertarianism. Borges' writings also demonstrate a strong rejection of communism and what Marxist thought does to people's minds. He is noted as being left out of the Nobels basically for political reasons. Fuck leftists.

>>12672096
>Orwell
a leftist who spent the majority of his writing criticizing other leftists, truly a shining leftist writer

>>12671859
Wilde is not a leftist by today's standards. He is extremely individualistic and an aesthete. Modern lefties would despise his outlook on art for the same reasons that Wilde's contemporaries did. Not moralizing enough.

haha faggots us rightist even yoinked land, you'll never catch up

>>12671604
Modern leftist organizations are just tools by the oligarchy they claim to fight

>>12671391
Marianne Moore, Wallace Stevens, Robert Frost and Celine and many more too. Of course not all great writers were right wing. There are many great leftist writers too. What is curious is how now it exists this perception that art intrinsically belongs to the left. It's common to find this belief even among supposedly educated people.

>>12672096
>Orwell
He was good but he hardly belongs in a list of the greatest writers of the 20th century. Also those essays criticizing better writers for not being as progressive as him are pathetic.

>Henry James

Huh?

>>12671566
>Hugo
>20th century
Nice try, pseud

ITT: Coping and seething redditers.

>>12672109
He literally participated in the Spanish Civil War, lmao. How more """leftist""" can you get?

>>12671391
Steinbeck
Thomas Mann
Eugene O'Neill
Joyce
Camus
Proust
Pynchon
DeLillo

That’s just off the top of my head

>>12671391
>It's almost like being a leftist is a prerequisite for being a mediocrity in the literary world. But why?
Leftism is inherently more appealing to average and below average people than to superior people because it is an anti-meritocratic leveling force. For example, the extreme antipathy and violence shown towards the bourgeoisie is actually a desire to destroy the very people who have proven themselves to be the best at succeeding in the capitalist, industrialist paradigm. Many of these writers were not capitalists like you might think, but fascists and national socialists who sought to maintain differentiation in status between people of the nation, just in a way that preferred truly prosocial and strengthening attributes (fitness, militarism, work ethic, health) over bourgeois attributes (intelligence, cunning, ruthlessness, knowledge of money manipulation).

>>12671427
Shaw and Brecht are the two worst writers in all of history. Everything bad about literature today is directly connected to those two and their trash.

>>12672434
Please fuck off back to your board, scum. You're not welcome

>>12672433
Proust certainly doesn't fit. Mann and Camus are really pushing it, but so are some of op.

normal writer: has access to unlimited obscure historical heroes and events, entire universe of human mythology and philosophy, doesnt need to waste energy on fabrication of lies about basic reality because most of it is already naturally reactionary.

leftist: can only pick old testament or marx/freud to collect good goy points, everything is about repression or some cascade of contempt between old ruling class and the progressive underdog. eschews classic time-proven forms. available aesthetics are only balzacian realism or gnostic nihilism.

>>12672442
Oooo so your an emo triggered Hitler that loves exercise

>>12672442
>>>/r/eddit

>>12671391
It seems like you, OP, can't write to save your life:
>It's almost like being a leftist is a prerequisite for being a mediocrity in the literary world.
What a shit sentence. You're saying that if you aren't leftist, you cannot be mediocre, which (I hope) isn't what you meant, but you suck at english.

>>12672174
please name some of those "leftist" organizations

>>12672434
>capitalism is a "meritocracy"
Owning capital isnt a merit

>>12672438
>Shaw and Brecht are the two worst writers in all of history
I don't think you're better at LARPing grumpy-no-fun-allowed, or having fun at others' expense. Work on that first.
>>12671411
You cannot overrate Nabokov as a prose stylist or narcissist. Even Nabokov overrating his talent at translating himself turned out to be true.

Being right wing isn't correlative with being good. Kerouac was right wing as fuck and he wrote endless repressed homo art ho drivel which is worse than Hitler's art school memoir.

Why do people false flag so much on this board
The history of literature is dominated by what we would call the "right wing" today sure
Why does this matter?

>>12671391
>the greatest writers of the 20th century were right-wing
>*lists shit writers*
>All we leftists have...
Wait, I just noticed you're pretending to falseflag as a leftist, for your "epic bait".

>>12672434
Capitalism isnt exactly meritocracy, considering the most efficient liars and back-stabbers are the ones who succeed in capitalist societies
You're right in saying these writers aren't capitalists. Fascism is anti-capitalist, which causes a lot of confusion amongst commies who think there are only two modes of economic theory.

>>12672469
He said "a". Not "the. You're a wannabe tough guy. Fuck off

>>12672469
Embarrassing post

>>12672477
>I don't think you're better at LARPing grumpy-no-fun-allowed, or having fun at others' expense. Work on that first.
There’s nothing fun about meandering commie parables. If you’re so impressed by Shaw’a quips, you’d be better off watching the most recent comic flick than engaging with literature.

>>12672488
>present a list of right wing authors
>they turn out to be shit
>leftists are at fault for this
please name some non shit right wing authors then

>>12672501
>>leftists are at fault for this
No? I'm a leftist.
I don't know who's baiting who anymore.

>>12672494
I uhhh
I read it correctly, senpai.

>>12671570
says the baised faggot

>replying to commie attention whores

>>12671391
You forgot Maugham. Gay and atheist, but still pretty hard right otherwise.

But Steinbeck was a leftist.

I'm in the middle, personally, so I'll read both sides.

>>12672081
Ted is more of a primitivist contrarian than a right winger

>>12671411
>>12671418
samefag

>>12672471
Owning capital can be the result of attributes and actions that are merits within the capitalist paradigm such as intelligence, manipulativeness, and ambition. Some of these traits are objectively beneficial to the nation, but the free market becomes parasitic without oversight and limits to wealth and property, and maybe even inheritance. I wasn't really arguing that capitalism was meritocratic to begin with, but it is relatively meritocratic in comparison with Marxism, which is anti-hierarchical, and most leftism is inspired by Marx. If you're talking about modern, mixed economy leftism, we're just talking about different things. Fascist and National Socialist economic policies are relatively meritocratic in comparison with both capitalism and communism because they put the national interest before individual interest while still allowing for the differentiation in wealth and lifestyle that drives individual initiative. One interpretation of the purpose of third position economics would be to cut back on the unrealistic idealism of socialism to harmonize it with how people actually are, and to completely reject that an undifferentiated, non-hierarchical nation is even desirable in the first place - unless the population were to become so well-bred or genetically engineered that the people would actually be basically equal. This is why I sometimes call myself a "right wing socialist".
>>12672493
I agree. Read the above. I think we're on the same page.

>>12671391
Obvs b8 but Joyce was a socialist and he is obviously the greatest writer of the 20th century. Not to mention the fact that you cherry-picked the fuck out of this list and most of these guys are hacks. Real artists don’t have time for politics. The political implications of their work are just that: implications.

>>12672522
Mishima was gay too

>>12672534
>socialism
>left wing
You know there are more forms of socialism than what people in 2019 call socialism right anon?

>>12672532
Garbage attention-whore. Nobody will read your tripe.

Most great artists have and been liberals. Fucking rightards and leftards desperately grasping for whoever they can lmao

>>12671391

>>12672543
Okay keep talking and try spinning this one out of your ass mate. In what world was Joyce not a leftist?

>>12672545
>most great artists have been liberals
>before 1700 writers didnt exist
Also name me some liberal writers that are notable I cant think of a single one

>>12672557
Oh, just the greatest writer of all time. I'm sure you have heard about him. Some guy named Voltaire.

>>12672561
Excuse me while I laugh for a few seconds
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>12672553
Not spinning anything nor am I talking about joyce
But using an economic theory as proof of being right or left wing is stupid
Economics dont mean shit

>>12672561
This is a great post because it's written with the same smart and sardonic tone Voltaire used to BTFO its contemporaries. He would be proud of you, anon, even if calling him the GOAT is a bit of a stretch.

>>12672570
>Economics don’t mean shit
ok bud you’ve made your point. Insert obligatory galaxy mind-spiritual connection jpg here.

>>12672508
How so?

>>12672544
Hopefully the guys I was replying to will read it, at least. It's beneficial to get my thoughts out of my head and into writing either way though.
>>12672547
Okay, but did you know that the pope is a catholic?

>>12671391
>liberal authors
don't forget VonneSHIT you fag

>>12671859
sartre was an ugly cockeyed marxist bitch

>>12672434
>anti-meritocratic leveling force
>it is another muh meritocracy retard
READ MICHEAL YOUNG'S RISE OF MERITOCRACY AND FUCK OFF

>>12671391
>Henry James was right-wing
lmao — Henry was an effete liberal aesthete who spent all of his time in England because it satisfied his gay aesthetic impulses better than America

https://www.amazon.com/Intellectuals-Masses-Prejudice-Intelligensia-1880-1939/dp/0897335074

>>12672109
My nigga you have to shit on other leftist to be shining a leftist writer. That is like the prerequisite

>>12671859
Picasso was a hack, no author on your list was half as talented as Yeats.

>>12672708
>Read this dystopian fiction book that takes what your saying to it's most retarded, extreme conclusion. it will totally btfo you!
HOW ABOUT NO

>>12672723
>In this landmark study, John Carey analyzes the elitest views of some of the most highly respected literary icons of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. This book, as defined in his preface, "is about the response of the English literary intelligentsia to the new phenomenon of mass culture." Readers may be shocked to learn that H.G. Wells liked to think that this newly emerged "mass" would be eliminated by plague and atomic bombs; that Yeats wished them to perish in an apocalyptic war against the educated classes and that D.H. Lawrence visualized a huge lethal chamber in which they could be exterminated. John Carey's devastating attack on the intellectuals exposes the loathing which the mass of humanity ignited in many of the virtual founders of modern culture: G.B. Shaw, Ezra Pound, James Joyce, E.M. Forster, Virginia Woolf, T.S. Eliot and others. Professor Carey compares their detestation of common humanity to Nietzsche, whose philosophy helped create the atmosphere leading to the rise of Adolph Hitler. Any student of modern literature and history will find John Carey's incisive book both enlightening and disturbing, an essential read for a full understanding of where we are today.

>muh political dichotomy
hahahaha kill yourself children of the CIA

>>12671411
Do you think that it's an author's fault that he's overrated?

>>12672726
It was satirical to highlight the possibility to his fellow Fabian socialists that retards like you would rather pretend that a meritocracy already exists instead of actually building one.

>>12671991
>"Individualist anarchism is when you have a based dictator ruling your country"
your brain on p*l

>>12671697
he started his career right-wing, he supported the Kaiser, and was a faggot

>>12672744
Read my posts nigga rawr!

>>12671391
>All the greatest writers of the 20th century were right-wing
>lists some of the worst writers of the 20th century

>>12671411
>fascists let rich people keep their money

Oh no, it’s retarded.

>>12671810
Vallejo was leftist too.
Also Machado. (underrated poet.)

>>12672493
Lying and swindling is the merit promoted by the system. Your confusion stems from that misunderstanding. He who makes the most money from his product wins, not he who makes the best product. This is also the great delusion that ancaps and lolbertarians suffer from; the drinking of the disney kool-aid lie that the market reinforces positive social contribution instead of cunning self interest above all. No amount of laissez-faire policy nor economic planning can shift that underlying paradigm as long as they take it for granted.

>>12672500
>Hating everyone universally is commie now
>But I'm not a commie promise I just want to be impressed and am going to complain until I am
Uhuh sounds like commie disinformation alright.

>>12671681
He was influential to many, even other authors when he was alive.

>>12672836
The left is incapable of understanding right wing ideology outside of their own ideological lens. Any overlap between the two is dismissed as the right co-opting their talking points to serve some other concealed interest. I have even heard some say that the right shouldn't be allowed to use the populist label, because populism is inherently left wing.

>>12673570
The left is just very obsessed with controlling the discourse. All things can only be evaluated through their linguistic and moral paradigms or else it’s a “bad faith” argument.

>>12671639
>it's left they want to go
except it's not

>>12671411
>this poster
Faggot

>>12671422
Joyce was an overrated philo semitic degenerate whose daughter ended up with down syndrome.

>>12671639

>>12673570
hey guys did you know that the left can’t understand the right because if they did they’d be right wingers? curious. anyway I’m not saying hitler was good but he didn’t do anything wrong

>>12672477
Do you - do you not know what overrated narcissist means?

>>12673226
>repeating what i just said
>"your confusion"
???

>>12672751
>Right wing must mean fascism

>>12672836
oh no it’s retardeder

>>12673897
You realize that Stirner/Nietzsche fucking hated nationalism/race “solidarity” right? Literal definition of spooks. Individualist anarchism isn’t left wing but thinking it’s right wing is stupid enough to make me feel bad for you

>>12673911
>Stirner/Nietzsche
The fact you even compare that pseud to Nietzsche and completely misrepresent his views is very telling
Go fucking kill yourself

>>12673911
Nietzsche was literally a race theorist wtf are you talking about

>>12671399
??? You have completely won everything and you have for a coupla hundred years now.

>>12673911
Yeah, dude, you blew up your own point by connecting those two. Also, even without the fascist editing by his sister, his works consistently mention race/society (which, to him, were something less than separable)

>>12671399
How exactly is the status quo "on the rise"?

>>12673993
>>12674056
Nietzsche constantly satirized other points in his writing. Race theory doesn’t mesh well with his shit.

>judging artists on a spooky left/right dichotomy

>>12674099
>it was satire
Pseud swerve
You're worse than those faggots who say Plato was being ironic

>>12672049
Kafka was skeptical of authoritarianism

>>12674109
so what about all the times where Nietzsche says he hates nationalists and anti-semites

>>12674109
Have you read a single page of Nietzsche?

>>12674109
>implying Plato wasn’t wrong about everything

>>12671391
I bet you care what your favorite actor's politics are too, mong.

Hilarious to think that literally ANY SINGLE AUTHOR listed here would put up with intersectional pig-shit leftism we have now. Joyce would shit in the mouth of Anita Sarkeesian and AOC if he could.

>>12674120
those were satire

>>12673896
Capitalism is a meritocracy, you're just misunderstanding what merits it selects for. That's the whole point of that post.

>>12673905
Much confusion stems from people not knowing what a corporation is in the context of fascism.
https://youtu.be/ypj3UF2wTQQ

>>12671399
The left wing, and consequently mediocrity, are the staus quo. The fact that you're unable to understand that is further testament to how leftwingers are absolute brainlets.

>>12671427
It's weird to call Twain a lefty given how removed he is from modern politics.

>>12674099
Race theory is literally central to his shit

>>12671614
Joyce and Beckett just wrote masturbatory garbage tho.

>>12671919
I'm not sure about brown people, but Hemingway was undeniably anti-semitic.

>>12674129
Plato was basically the foundation for all of Western thought. The very concept of ideas is crucial to Western success.

>>12673658
>the yello jackets are mostly upset over immigration, drrrrrr
Decades of soc-dem policies have made them feel entitled to it if not more. They demand of the rich their share, not austerity.
Did you want to talk about the US though?

>>12673878
I don’t get it. I know some girls who could fit that body.

>>12672511
Says the observant ex-Christian conservative

>>12672102
So he was an anarchist. Neat. Lefter than I thought

Saying something like “x author thought authoritarians were bad” is the most redundant shit ever. Nobody thinks it’s good even fascists. Too much centralized power always leads to death camps regardless of your silly post French rev. Ideology.

>>12674122
I have read two of his books and wrote an essay about him

>>12674160
Capitalism isnt a meritocracy.
You're misunderstanding what constitutes merit.
Fascism is a meritocracy.

>>12674234
Lmao what?
Plenty of people approve of authoritarian society. Fascism is absolutley totalitarian in nature, it even literally says so in "The Doctrine of Fascism".
"Nothing can exist outside the state, much less have value."
Individualism is a relatively new concept and its a failed one. Both Fascists and Communists identified this problem.

>>12674226
The fact that you think anarchists are”left” in any sense of your brand of leftism is so funny. Borges saw the embattlment of the Federalists and Unitarians and perceived himself as above the fray albeit thankful for his roots that link him to more cosmopolitan and snobbish society. He condemned fascism from the very beginning and was outspoken as a conservative later in his life when he was seasoned and producing arguably his best work. Just like Camus, being too smart for communism left him out of some of the inner circles of his time even though both men were correct. Communism is essentially an ideological cult which means if you aren’t with them you’re an outsider despite its continuing failure. Every time it does it seems to keep coming back even after 91’.

>>12674274
I'm not a commie but
>anarchist taking the intellectual high ground
Please dont make me laugh
Anarchism is a literal fantasy

>>12674272
Fascism means strong civic nature and nationalism which isn’t to be conflated with totalitarianism faggot. Especially if we’re talkig Italian fascism. It must hurt your baby brain to not be able to singularly say “ HAHA FASCISTS ARE ALL AUTHORITARIAN AND NO OTHER IDEOLOGY IS HEHE BRO SCIENCE PICKLE RICKKKK”

>>12674285
Absolutely dripping with Seeth, I’m not an anarchist faggot.

>>12674300
Embarassing post

>>12674202
The actually wrote masturbatory gold.

>>12674314
Wow gay

>>12672021
>Should have said propped up
How are they being propped up? The media refuses to cover left-wing harassment and terrorist attacks, that is propping up the left. Trump supporters are being jailed for defending themselves, and their bank accounts are being shut down. Tommy Robinson has been jailed and tortured for his beliefs (he is being charged under a law that is being selectively used, which journalists violate all the time). Meanwhile the EU is working to put sanctions on Poland, Hungary and Italy. Ever news paper in our nations demonize them as dictatorships and illegitimate democracies. You are a fucking liar.

Name an instance where a left-wing news organization has been deplatformed, or a left-wing person has had their bank account shutdown (they don't get to keep their money)

>>12674327
They're still just a couple of wankers tho.

>>12674329
>>12672021
>>12671707
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/02/25/paypal-ceo-admits-partnership-with-far-left-splc-to-blacklist-conservatives/

>>12671411
Faggy fagfag

>>12674328
Not gay at all.
Its beautiful realism.

was Henry James a nonce?

>>12674366
George’s Sorel helped develop fascism out of Marxism, any totalitarian element in the party comes from communism exclusively. Nice screen grabs from a quick google search but it’s much more complex than that. Totalitarianism denotes oppression of people which the people living under fascism didn’t suffer; in fact they loved it. Nice try faggoli.

>>12674336
>breitbart

>>12674334
No, they're THE wankers.

>>12674390
>nice screen grabs from a quick google search
It's from the PDF of the Doctrine of Fascism by Mussolini you retard.
The fact that you're scared of submitting your own individual desires to a higher cause just proves you're not cut out for fascism
Totalitarian doesnt mean that, thats the modern definition. It meant a society that directly controls all aspects of its culture. Fascism is an attempt at creating Plato's Callipolis. Mussolini was heavily inspired by the Republic.

"Fascism sees in the world not only those superficial, material aspects in which man appears as an individual, standing by himself, self-centered, subject to natural law, which instinctively urges him toward a life of selfish momentary pleasure; it sees not only the individual but the nation and the country; individuals and generations bound together by a moral law, with common traditions and a mission which suppressing the instinct for life closed in a brief circle of pleasure, builds up a higher life, founded on duty, a life free from the limitations of time and space, in which the individual, by self-sacrifice, the renunciation of self-interest, by death itself, can achieve that purely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists."

>>12674109
It was, dumb cunt. Sarcasm and spite.

>>12674451
>dumb cunt
I guess everybody in the history of philosophy but you is a dumb cunt then

>Believes that politics is real
LEFT OR RIGHT WAKE THE FUCK UP

>>12674413
I never claimed to be a fascist you dick riding cum gobbler. So you screen capped it from your hard drive or Jstor same thing, it’s clear this is just a semantic game at this point. Modern or antiquated definitions aside the heft if my point is that following any of these ideologies dogmatically has potential to be totalitarian and that any one of them isn’t necessarily worse than the other. I’m above identifying with any brainlet positions of communism or fascism or even capitalism.

>>12671566
lmao
who vs who

>>12671391
seems like your actual critique is about wanting more unironic masculinity on the left, which I fully agree with.

>>12674274
Leftism, as far as this shorthand term goes, is perfected in what is known as anarchism. Write it down.
You also fundamentally misunderstand the word communist, but everyone is still holding onto out dated Cold War antics. What you mean is Marxist-Leninism or generally authoritarian-socialism.
This is not leftism. Leftism is about freedom. In order to defend their gains, the M-L establish an authoritarian vanguard party. Fearing a backlash of reactionaries they seem to hire them for the job.
Yes of course they fail.

>>12674285
Humanity in the 22nd century is a fantasy, thanks to your fundamentalism.

>>12674329
>Trump supporters
I said I was talking about Europe. In the States we have maga terrorists killing people. The police and CIA do defend the rightwing protesters more though. The street fights are all just distraction though. The political elites are also distracting us with “russiagate” bs. They’re both for the wall, both for the endless wars and regime changes

And again, privately owned social media censors by their and the Pentagons whim.

>Margaret Atwood
>Deepak Chakra
>Richard Dawkins
>Amitah Gosh
Checkmate nazis

>>12674591
>. Leftism is about freedom
Jefferson was to the left of Marx, you heard it here first folks

>>12674689
Fascism is so about freedom you have to follow the great leader who will tell you How to be free

>>12674713
Democracy is so about freedom you have to follow the whims of an oligarchical class who tell you how to be free.

>>12674591
Whatever bullshit zine your tranny friend gave you that you read this in is ridiculous. It’s simply a matter of word games and semantics. Libertarianism is about freedom you retard and freedom for them is freedom from the government. Freedom for some people is Scientology. We could go backs fun forth all day every day but you’ll just use the device ( read:meme ) that true socialism/anarchism/communism has never been tried. Then you’ll tell me about the three years Spain has anarchism for literally a few million people. Your ideas about economics and people are simply outdated as they’re a failure and frankly based on pre-internet age ideals. You’re getting phased out and the truth is is that communism and leftism more broadly has never in the history of planrt earth been more ineffective and more disliked. People are even actively vandalizing marx’s Grave on a regular basis. It’s quite literally easier to burn it to the ground than wade through identity politics, neoliberals, stalinists, and a million other splinters of what you believe because of your purity testing while the mindless middle class with their iPhones will continue to crush you out of the conversation.

>>12674732
>It’s simply a matter of word games and semantics.
Such as the you poltards play when you dismiss us all as tranny.
>Libertarianism is about freedom
Hence why the fancy way of saying anarchist is to say “libertarian-socialist”. The US Libertarian party stands for the exact opposite of what actual libertarians stand for. Which to free markets, unleash and unfettered the capitalists to do as they please. Not freedom for all. They hate all. All are entirely too dark skinned to them, so the goals of the revolutionary run counter to their plans. NOT FREEDOM

Capitalism actually needs a government, a state, to protect its property laws. So the bastard child of the neoclassical liberal right calling themselves “ancap” are in no way anarchist or libertarian.

>never been tried
It has. And it has been stamped out. But it flares up again and again. But we were talkin terminology.
>outdated
you say on the cusp of another economic crash. I stay pretty updated. I do still have much to read. You’ll stick to brietbart of course.
They have you for life, don’t they? Poor little brain.

>>12674825
Nigger

>>12674849
Pedophile

>>12674825
I never said I identified with pol or brierbart but it’s cute how you try to say capitalist hiccups are analogous to complete disasters of communism lmfao. Yeah bro a salesperson getting downsized or having Their job outsourced is totally the same as sandinistas raping 11 year olds. This is your brain on communism. Keep being mad that you’ve lost for almost two consecutive centuries my nigga.

>>12674591
>Humanity in the 22nd century is a fantasy, thanks to your fundamentalism.
Humanity is a 20th century myth reified by the UN.

>>12674921
>>12674975

>>12675002
Wow imagine my surprise detached irony wrapped up in a supposed art film. Listen hipster there isn’t a more American invention than rooting for the “underdog” so just realize your never ending tragicomedy that is being a commie doesn’t make you interesting to anyone other than men that use nihilism
As an excuse for narcissism and bad behavior so have fun with that one big guy. Unless you’re a lesbian which makes the most sense. Have you ever had an original thought in your life?

>>12671391
...Is no one going to mention Oscar Wilde, avowed socialist and notorious homosexual? Or Don Delillo, or Franzen, or Tolstoy...

>>12674717
You see, we cannot have democracy with capitalism. It corrupts EVERYTHING

>>12675036
>commie commie communist commie red communism commie commie
I am an anarchist. Okay?
And those “hiccups” in the economy cause revolutions.
As for original thoughts: I donno. I come up with a lot independently, but I can’t be sure. You spout old platitudes I’ve heard and tested before though

>>12675317
>You see, we cannot have democracy with capitalism. It corrupts EVERYTHING
What do you mean by capitalism? If you mean the modern industrial system + the abstractions of wealth engendered by the birth of the joint stock company and investment banking, then how would ending that end the corrupt human drive to always be acquiring more power and more influence?
If you mean commerce in general, that's impossible

>replying to tripfags

>>12675252
do any of those authors really count as 20th century to you?

>>12675252
>avowed socialist and notorious homosexual
Wilde disavowed homosexuality later in life and we've already established that 19th century socialists weren't exactly left wing

>>12671391
>Bolaño
>Cortázar
>Pynchon
>Neruda
>García Márquez

Whew how can the left even recover?

>>12671859
what is wrong with marquez

>>12671399
That explains the absolute state of literature

>>12671859
Hacks

>>12674243
And you never once detected any sarcasm in his writings?

>>12674226
There were more FN voters in the Yellow Jackets than Socialist voters. Saying 'hurr it's a socialist uprising' is just fucking bullshit when it's filled with reactionary workers.

>>12675400
can you imagine wanting to be smart this bad

Socialism is a middle/upper class movement which believes it is working class. Fascism is a working class movement that tries hard to be upper class.

>>12676949