/lit/ - Literature

>>12653797
Once you take the Christ-pill, most philosophy becomes a joke. Enlightenment and modern philosophers are overrated hacks.

>>12653797

Hegel explains, as usual: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lectures_on_the_Philosophy_of_Religion

>>12653797
God doesn't like sheep.

Christianity can be unspeakably comforting but the believer is still subject to pain like anyone else, also why wouldn't you learn philosophy whilst learning about religion they're two separate things

>>12653797
If you merely seek comfort, then commit yourself to a lie, but beware; superstition, regardless of it's manifestation, breeds fanaticism, and susceptibility to further indoctrination.
Shattering the illusion of religion can be frightening, and lonely - but only a weak fool would choose comfort, and the subsequent obligatory betrayal of one's intellect, over an actual understanding of reality.

Reject religion, gods, the afterlife, and everything bordering on the metaphysical, and then you will have taken the first, and biggest, of many steps towards truly becoming free.

>>12653797
>>12653976

You don't seem to care about truth very much. You instead seem content to subscribe to a thing, call it truth because you have popularity on your side (and nothing else), and wait. For all its faults, philosophy tries to get at truth. The point is to read multiple people and then write about them, to see about it.

THE LITERATURE BOARD

You dont need to be a philosopher to realize religions are man made and those books were written by men, not god.

And holy shit, why the fuck would you even want to worship the abrhamic demi urge. A mentally ill retard who threw you out of paradise because muh apple and sits on his throne judging you because you touched your pee pee

>>12654076
based

>>12654102
wait what? i thought god wrote the bible

>>12653797
>If religion is enough to comfort you
It has never been enough, that's how schism happens.

Unless there is something truthful about that religion, it is the worst kind of cope for (You): one that doesnt even comfort.

As for the social and selfhelp aspect, scientology, thuggee, and a few apocalyptic cults fit an overlapping bill.

Your idea sounds calm and comfy anon; wait till you see NPCs take them to their absolute conclusions.

>>12653797
>why value truth over comforting delusions?

>>12653976
Christ pill includes Neo-Platonism and Hermeticism, but you are probably a retarded protestant faggot

>>12654102
By the same argument, philosophies are man made and we can ignore them without loss. I am not sure this is true.

Here's one thing about successful cope: it reveals a weakness and a need implicitly, and contains a counter. All these bear examination, if only cursorily.

>>12654955
Neoplatonism is fundamentally incompatible with Christanity and it's a sign of Christians intellectual bankruptcy when they try to coopt it. In the Byzantine Empire prominent Neoplatonists were often executed and they would have to pretend to be Christian and cloak their ideas in Christian terms in order to not be killed.

>>12654969
Christianity borrowed a lot from Neo-platonism

>>12654076
/thread

>>12654076
>an actual understanding of reality.
God is real though, and atheism is a comforting delusion which prevents you from being free

>>12654997
prove it

Atheists are too dumb to realize that human brain is unreliable.

>>12654969
Love of Christ is more important than ancient byzantine politics and dogmas.

>>12653797
didn't you read about Solomon ?

>>12655005
How can a man be free if he turns away from God?

>>12655022
everything about God you ever received was mediated by at least one unreliable human brain

>>12655049
You have done nothing to establish to necessity of God for human freedom, nor have you indicated what kind of freedom you're talking about. Can you describe the state you mean when you say "freedom"?

>>12653797
Because it builds up your faith. If you don't understand and go through philosophy your faith is childish and brittle.

>>12654980
It borrowed where it could from it but they are still fundamentally incompatible insofar as Neoplatonism is a form of non-dualism and Christianity posits a central duality between creator and created, between God and man. Important Christian theologians and mystics have also borrowed from Jewish and Islamic thinkers before but that doesn't mean they compatible with one another.

>>12655063
>You have done nothing to establish to necessity of God for human freedom
If you don't understand how this sentence contradicts itself, you have a ways to go kid. Come back when you even understand what it is you are pretending not to believe in

>>12655022
I mean it depends on what you mean by atheist, but if we're to take atheism as not believing in a God or gods, then what you bring up is precisely why some people are atheists. There needs to be the distinction between Gnosticism and agnosticism. When some people say "I don't believe" what they mean is that they have a lack of belief either way. Its not a binary answer; you can choose neither to affirm or deny, but it it's the latter it still technically falls into "I don't believe", it's just not in the "I believe there are no gods" sense.

>>12654963
Philosophy is for smart faggots, there’s no way around it. Brainlets like me can’t and won’t understand it.

>>12653797
I have some questions to ask, just for the fuck of it.

>>12653797
>religion
>simpler
>posts the good Doctor
>philosophical dithering

mate you're retarded

>>12654023
> they're two separate things
not really, or at least, not through most of the pre-modern era. Modern sub-disciplines like analytic philosophy of science or something are relatively distinct from religion, but its never entirely out of the picture overall.

>>12654076
>"reject...everything bordering on the metaphysical"
>makes metaphysical statements
Ah, the power of the free and enlightened mind

>>12654102
you're about 15 years too late for this to be worth responding to, even Dawkins doesn't talk like this anymore

>>12655152
them thangs, them thangs, don't even ask me

>>12655100
Please, give me even the semblance of a position rather than just hiding behind vague and pretentious statements.

>>12655199
based

>>12653797
why not both?

>>12655154
>Ah, the power of the free and enlightened mind

Is this your refutation of my argument? Strawmanning my ideological convictions to confirm a false hypothesis?
You pseudo-intellectual religious nutjobs never cease to amaze me.

Are you capable of differentiating between empirical observations and unfalsifiable theological drivel?

Post-twentieth century metaphysical literary works are almost exclusively theological - if you accepted how limited your knowledge of this subject was, you would not quarrel.

In conclusion: if you truly wish to assert outdated philosophical practices in place of modern scientific inquiry, then be my guest; please, school me on the prerequisite aesthetical maxims required to enjoy the beauty of a sunset.

>>12655324
how many mistakes can one post contain?

>>12655324
Everything about this post and your previous post sets off my pseud detector, and the line I quoted was the most economical way of illustrating it. You know just enough terms to pepper in your sentences, but you don't use them in the right way, in the way that someone with actual philosophical training would.

Example: Metaphysics is not a synonym for "spooky conjecture". You're using a lot of words above your pay grade to hide the fact that you're not saying anything particularly interesting. Also, how you can even conceive of "modern scientific inquiry" apart from philosophy, which I remind you contains epistemology, is just baffling to me.

>>12655265
How is belief in God a vague or pretentious position? It's about as certain and humble a position as its possible to have. Do atheists have any self awareness?

>>12655739
I'm not that guy, but you were the one originally making a claim (the necessity of God for human freedom), and then when they called you out for not substantiating it you fell back and just tried to act as though they were calling belief in God vague/pretentious when really they were criticizing the additional claim that you never substantiated.

If you want to genuinely change peoples minds and convert them, or even improve your own argumentation skills, you'd do well to at least try to provide an argument for the original claim; after all there is no consequence if you do poorly because its anonymous.

>>12655796
>you were the one originally making a claim (the necessity of God for human freedom)
Other way around kid. He claimed you had to pretend God wasn't real to be free (a self-evidently false claim). God is obviously necessary for human freedom as he's necessary for anything at all

>>12655850
>Other way around kid. He claimed you had to pretend God wasn't real to be free
Oh okay, my mistake then

>God is obviously necessary for human freedom as he's necessary for anything at all
This is itself though an unfalsifiable claim that's also circular

philosophy should be about reaching comfort as well

>>12654557
No, it was "God-breathed", never mind all the contradictions.

>>12655850
bro, I came in with "prove it"
and you still have yet to prove it

>larping as an atheist on the internet

the two are naturally connected

t. philosophy grad doing a masters in theology

>>12656855
Sound interesting anon.

>>12654076
>Reject everything metaphysical for "true freedom", a metaphysical concept
Wow dude you are very deep and smart

>>12656841

On the contrary, every infant is an atheist. Human beings begin life as atheists, by the most proper etymological definition, absence of belief. No, the infant doesn't have a soul (nor IS he a soul) or a special spark in which god is immanent, or anything else of the kind.

Before you try misconstruing the above, let's pre-emptively shut you down: the above is not a value judgment to conflate any purported "goodness" of atheism with "goodness" or "innocence" of infants, nor is it some admission whereby atheism itself can be judged stupid (as opposed to impossible), merely because it is attached to stupid people (infants). It is, simply, a statement of fact based upon the definition of the word.

On the contrary once again, there has never been any such thing as a sincere practicing Christian who uses 4chan, a pornographic website historically populated by nihilistic young men.

On the contrary a third time, "LARPing" is a banality which has been misused on 4chan in these and related contexts for the past few years. LARP stands for "live action role playing", which entails that the people involved actually get together, get into character, and put on costumes to act out their autistic game in a directly interpersonal way. While the exchanges here take place in real time, they do so at a physical remove, and so cannot be referred to as LARPing. LARPing is what you actually do when you're a jew and you put on the funny hat and coat and live your jew life in modern Israel.

>>12656855
what school?

uchicago div?

>>12659435
I don't know why you cannot be a normal Christian and go on /lit/ every once in a while.

>>12659583

Christians do not use this website, anon. Stop with the pretending, it gets old.

>>12653797
because some people are looking for the truth instead of comfort

>>12659738
>No true Scotsman

>>12659435
>every infant is an atheist
Uh huh huh dumbass
>http://islam101.com/dawah/newBorn.htm
In any case its literally impossible for humans to be atheist. Its like hard skepticism or full of nihilism. Such positions can exist conceptually, I understand that. But no human has ever sincerely held such a position.

Do you know what comforts you even better? Oxycodone

>>12659435
>On the contrary once again, there has never been any such thing as a sincere practicing Christian who uses 4chan, a pornographic website historically populated by nihilistic young men.
When the teachers of the law who were Phariseessaw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
On hearing this, Jesus said to them,“It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

>>12660351

You were pre-emptively dealt with in the post that you replied to, and so you have simply blithered. You confuse your displeasure for an impossibility, again already treated before you even wrote.

Most tellingly, you repair to the world's youngest major cult of all things-the worst choice short of minor ones. In doing so, you embarrass yourself. At least Christianity has a somewhat more historically robust (though equally false) historical corpus that it can draw upon to pretend truth.

>>12660395

I knew this stupid crap was coming; it has been suggested before as I've made the same true point before. I repeat that no Christian uses, or ever has used, 4chan. As you yourself know, you yourself are no Christian, but simply someone having a bit of fun, role-playing.

>>12660402
>You were pre-emptively dealt with in the post that you replied
Not really, you told a lie about babies being atheist and you've been called out. No baby is an atheist, such a thing is literally impossible. Nobody is an atheist, including you. You pretend to yourself that you are for egoistic reasons, but deep down you know its bullshit, like you know the universe doesn't really disappear when you close your eyes.

>>12660416

No, I did not. Babies are atheists. You're doing rote sentimentality because you do not understand reality.

>>12653797
Religion is good for stupid people that should be ruled over and bent into good citizens by fear and force.

Philosophy is for individuals who need something more.

>>12660415
What is interested anti-Christian about 4chan? Is it a requirement of the website that you be nihilistic and watch porn? What's wrong with a Christian going on /lit/ to discuss literature?

>>12653797
Why did you post a picture of Thomas Aquinas, a Christian who wrote a massive book of philosophical explanations of Christianity?

>>12660430

This is a stupid post, because you're side-stepping the central claim. I told you what you already know: that no Christian uses 4chan. Secondarily, you also have poor English grammer like the above poster >>12660416 who is also substantively wrong in his ideas.

>>12653797
It really boils down too whether you want a comforting lie or an inconvenient truth.

The problem with the lie is that its not actually that comforting unless you're a total brainlet who can't see that wool pulled over your eyes.

>>12660446
How do you know there is not a single Christian who uses 4chan?

>>12660456

Now you're asking the interesting questions.

>>12660421
>Babies are atheists.
No babies believe in God like all humans. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. I understand you are on the Internet, and 4chan is a good forum for playing devil's advocate and holding positions you don't really hold. It's fun to pretend to be a nihilist, or a solipsist. But, it's literaly impossible for humans to be atheists. Our brains just aren't made that way. You can't even conceptualise the possibility.
>>12660456
He doesn't, he's being edgy on 4chan.

>>12660456
Because either you are a shitty Christian or a LARPing atheist. Pick one.

>>12660467
But why? That's why I asked what makes 4chan inherently anti-christian. What is it that makes 4chan so fundamentally opposed to Christianity that, by the mere fact that someone uses it, they are incapable of being a true Christian?

>>12653797
>It is far simpler
>posts a guy who's writings are still not understood by most of Christendom to this day

>>12660477
Probably the sheer amount of sin you indulge in by merely being present here.
>>12660482
Aquinas is, ironically, better understood if you aren't a Christian. Since you'll just understand that he himself didn't know a lot about what he discussed.

>>12660486
You can be surrounded by sin while not indulging in it.

>>12660493
You enable it with your active participation.

>>12653797
>God
>far simpler to grasp

>>12660494
Forgiveness from sins is kind of a big deal in Christianity, but you knew that already
>give me freedom from waifus and an end to shitposting, but not yet

>>12660498
>I might actively indulge in degeneracy but Jesus will forgive me so its all good
It's a pretty fundamentally retarded facet of the religion, but I think you knew that already.

>>12660504
Yes, to be a Christian is to know we are all sinners, since Adam in fact. Yet through Jesus we may be redeemed. It's a pretty good system

>>12660504
>Forgiveness is retarded

>>12660519
People shouldnt be rewarded just because they apologize, they should live their life through virtue and earn it.

>>12654076
Cringe

>>12660415
I thought I was blackpilled