/lit/ - Literature

>>12603307
What a horrible rumor to start. You should be ashamed of yourself.

>>12603312
Its just the facts, buddy:
https://medium.com/@devonprice/a-brief-on-hideous-things-about-david-foster-wallace-72034b20de94

>>12603315
Based Wallace showing the whores who's boss

>>12603307
I just realized his headwrap looks vaguely like a diaper.

What's insincere about rape tho?

>>12603392
rape is the sincerest form of flattery

>>12603315
>demanded she give back the shards of the coffee table he threw at her
Fuckin legend lmao.

>>12603315
Is there actually anything in there about rape? I skimmed and all I saw were the well-known stalking allegations plus a claim that he fucked a 17-year-old while on tour.

>>12603315
Did he really do this? He seemed so nice...

Are there any great writers out there who are/were genuinely kind people...?

>>12603307
a) He didn't rape his students.
b) Rape is, for better or worse, a brutally sincere action.

>>12603638
me

>>12603392
Most rapists are hypocrites

>>12603556
He had sex with some younger women whom he was in a position of power over

>>12603549
ha! good line!

>>12603307
*has women be attracted to you because you are successful and are in a successful position in your field*
*have sex with said women who are attracted to you*
"Um no sweaty actually thats rape"

>Some readers, many of them white, will now discard the writing of Junot Díaz, but will continue to consume David Foster Wallace’s overwrought, garbled narratives of misogyny because he was a white dude and he seemed so goddamned tortured about it all

Do people take this stuff seriously?

>>12603775
wow, that must mean he savagely raped and beat her. In the age of the #metoo movement this is NOT okay.

I still don't understand what New Sincerity really is.

>>12603795
>action-positing
shiggy

All these rape apologists ITT

>>12603820
It isn't so much sincerity but the attempted negation of irony, which (ironically lol) ended up being very insincere. David realised this and hung himself, which is the true goal of New Sincerity

>>12603833
>apologists

>>12603307
>>12603315
>I loved this guy's work, found out he was an abusive asshole, and disowned his entire body of work
>I refuse to acknowledge any of the reasons his works resonated with me in the first place
>the fact that this man's work captured my imagination despite being who he is doesn't make him a more complex person, and despite his own victims saying you should go ahead and read the books for their merits, I'm going to completely write off his whole work because he is irredeemably evil in my eyes

>>12603549
Not quite

>>12603835
Absolutely based and redpilled. I agree

>>12603911
Jesus christ

>>12603911
/fa/ doing God’s work again

>>12603911
How can you look at someone and feel disgust for their personality?
You don't even know them.

>>12604601
You can infer quite a lot from people's willingness to take sexually suggestive pictures of themselves and put them on the internet without a care in the world of the consequences.

>>12603911
horrifying

>>12603833
No one is apologizing here

>>12604625
Not really no.
I'd never do it, because I am ugly.
But if I was hot, then why not?
People enjoy these pictures, so why not make people happy?
Making people happy is a good personality trait, not a bad one.

>>12604631
An apologist is not someone who is apologizing.
It is someone who is defending something controversial.

>>12604648
There are quite a few ways to make people happy that doesn't include taking sexually suggestive pictures.

>>12603307
actually he was a writing teacher

>>12604667
And?
If you don't like it or feel offended, just don't be her friend or follower. Nobody is forcing you to watch this.
I and many others enjoy this type of pictures without turning into rapists.
Btw this is such a pretentious argument. You've probably watched porn numerous times, which is way more sexually suggestive than that. And stared at girls asses/tits IRL. Nobody is forcing you to do this. Just look away.
And finally this isn't even a sexually suggestive picture. Her body is not sexually suggestive in any way. Just wearing typical girl clothes and taking a picture.

>Nonbinary Social Psychologist & Writer in Chicago. They/Them pronouns.

heh

>mfw Thomas Pynchon could have raped billions of children and nobody would ever know since he keeps his life private
>mfw DFW and Junot Diaz fucked themselves over due to the sheer vanity of wanting to have their face on television

>>12603315
thats what growing up in the middle class does do you

>>12604724
Pretty sure thats not how it works.

>>12604648
posting softcover pornography of yourself so others feed your petty narcissism and inflated ego, isn't indicative of personality flaws?

>>12603911
Honestly insightful

>>12604648
>>12604689
Your morality presupposes a laissez-faire "negative liberty" style of utilitarian hedonism, which has a whole bundle of claims and assumptions that not everybody shares.

If people disagree with your axioms, and hold to different axioms, they are fully entitled to come to conclusions different from your own, based on their own axioms.

I hope this helps you to understand why nobody gives a shit about your sanctimony, and your whinging does not prevent people from having standards or morals for dignified behaviour in others.

He didn't rape anyone.
But he did have illicit relationships with students.

>>12603315
LOL this is such a shitty article!!!
The accusations of plagiarism and lack of artistic integrity are literally cringe-worthy.
She clearly hasn't read Pynchon or Delilo and she has the nerve to claim that he was afraid of being sued for plagiarism by them.
That's simply ridiculous!
I've read these works and the similarities are only superficial.

>>12603775
That's the whole POINT of becoming a writer. Do you not Harold Bloom?

>>12603795
>you are successful and are in a successful position in your field
So this is what passes for acceptable writing in /lit/ these days.

>>12603911
I was in that thread lol, people were so buttflustered

>>12604905
Shut the fuck up you faggot.

>>12604905
kek just admit the idea of a qt showing off infuriates you for some reason
/lit/ is one of the most emasculated boards on this site, not surpising you fags overreact to this

uh, how is raping your students and being sincere contradictory?

>>12604905
Absolutely based.

>>12603911
Teeheheheheheheh...

>>12605386
To be sincere means to be morally pure, undepraved, upright, virtuous. To rape is to have sexual connection with a woman without her consent. Is this not obvious?

>>12605439
I don't agree with your definition of sincerity. To me, sincerity is the air of seriousness that one do any action with. So, if dfw was raping his students unironically, then I would say that he was being a sincere rapist.

>>12604601
>>12604648
Ugh, repulsive. Haughty for not being judgemental, despite really being a prudish moralist.

>>12605378
It doesn't infuriate me, it just confirms her worthlessness to me
It's only infuriating in that it is a single instance of a greater societal trend of women devaluing themselves for online attention from lonely beta orbiters, but I'm not mad at her for the entire system being fucked, only for participating in and perpetuating the fuckery. I'll forget about her in five minutes, but I'll keep living in the world she helps maintain for the rest of my life. Nothing happens in a vacuum.

>>12603315
>Author wants to be addressed with They/Them pronouns
Stopped reading

>>12603307
This is in reference to him being a tough professor, IIRC. DFW was known to retain a box of disposable Tyvek suits for women that showed too much skin. No one seated in the front row could have open toed shoes.

>>12603307
You sincerely rape someone.

>>12603775
>>demanded she give back the shards of the coffee table he threw at her
How else do you get laid?

>>12605569
I wan her coat

>>12604601
Are you autistic? You can tell many things from body language and dress.

>>12603315
>that’s about 2% of what happened. tried to buy a gun. kicked me. climbed up the side of my house at night. followed my son age 5 home from school. had to change my number twice, and he still got it. months and months it went on
One of those two is really fucking crazy

>>12603775
>whom he was in a position of power over
The definition of rape is really getting broad isn't it

>>12604648
>Not really no.
How you act is influenced by many things including your values and character.
>I'd never do it, because I am ugly.
Irrelevant. No one said anything about what you can infer about someone in the absence of them something, you fucking moron.

>>12605707
It can really be both. A professor could bully a student into sleeping with him, but in reality a lot of people are attracted to their professors and seeing as he was young and famous it was probably that.

>>12603307
What's the point in teaching if you can't fuck your nubile 20 year old students.

>>12604648
>Making people happy is a good personality trait, not a bad one.
Your standard of happiness is a vulgar joke.

>>12605716
im going to teach on uni

>>12605716
what's the point of doing anything if you can't get pussy for it

>>12605718
This, happiness is subjective (unless I totally didn't get what you were saying; I'm honestly very tired.)

>>12605669
>Note to self: keep Tyvek suits handy and prominent.

>>12603315
>medium.com
stopped reading right there

Do not reply to tripfags under any circumstances, or this place will become more like reddit.

>>12603775
All men are naturally in a position of power over women. Wallace did nothing wrong.

>>12605680
Reminder to ignore and report all butterfly fag posts

>>12603553

>One night Wallace tried to push Karr from a moving car. Soon afterward, he got so mad at her that he threw her coffee table at her. He sent her $100 for the remnants. She had a friend who was a lawyer write back to say she still owned the table, all he’d bought was the “brokenness.”

Love this Such a good fuck you from karr

>>12603911
>"The other is what her head would look like on a stick!"

>>12603775
That doesn't answer the question.

>>12603911
Absolutely Based.

>>12605681
yeah body language from a single picture, sure thing mr incel

>>12603692
>not knowing ironic rape is a thing

>>12604601
You can potentially learn a lot from one's character from something like them posting those kinds of photos on the internet.

>>12604648
Not in all cases, but people who tend to post photos like that one chick do it for chiefly narcissistic and vain reasons. You can find countless women on Twitter, instagram, etc who post photos for the sole purpose of getting likes and being told they're attractive. There are lower characters to have, to be sure, but of the most vapid these people are among them. There is nothing redeeming of this kind of character.

>>12606477
>she still owned the table, all he’d bought was the “brokenness."

Jesus Chris it's like a comedy about Heidegger being a dick.

>>12605569
Hnnng... Martine Luther is hot af. I want her to put me in chastity and make me confess every sin I ever committed.

>>12603814
Yeap.
It's the same thing with Lovecraft.
>Jesus, he was a fucking racist
>Should we stop reading his works?

>>12603911
Now this is high-end radical (new) sincerity

Should I read infinite jest?

>>12603911
based. redpilled.

>>12603911

Pretty good.

>>12603307

Sounds pretty sincere to me.

How on earth anyone could take a grown man that wears a FUCKING BANDANA on his head seriously is absolutely beyond me. Oh yea he also fucking killed himself. Faggot.

>>12607917
Watch out, you can't insult autistic bandage man without the DFWIDF coming out

>>12606692
>tfw you're so autistic you can't read people's expressions on photos.

>>12603911
/fa/ is so self-aware it's a fever dream.

>>12605569
It's really obvious that all these 'nonbinaries' are just too ugly to be normal women.

>>12605569
I want Female Martin Luther to “burn me at the stake” (our term for jerking me off whilst pegging) for being a filthy lying Jew.

>>12603307
This is the same thread from earlier but with students in the stead of slaves.

>>12603315
This piece of shit owes me money for reading this garbage fucking article. Also they are non-binary lmao, and prefer they/them pronouns. It's funny how at the end 'the whatever the fuck it is' says 'they' are glad he killed himself.

>>12604905
I entirely agree with you, but fuck me if this isn't the most pretentiously overwritten thing that I've seen all month.

>>12605698
My money's on the son

>>12604905
Best post ITT