/lit/ - Literature

>>12591340
The Greeks were notoriously shit to anyone who wasn't from their city (regardless of whether they were Greeks or barbarians, though that made it worse).

>>12591340
lol what pretty much every greek text makes it apparent that they saw non-greeks as a lesser species

>>12591340
Guest friendship (xenia) had the implication that the guest would leave

>>12591340
They got hospitality for what they called "brothers" , aka other state-city resitent

> The Western Civilization meme strikes again

>>12591340
Is this bait? Greeks literally invented the term barbarian. Plato thanked heavens he was lucky enough to be born Greek rather than barbarian.

>>12591340
keep that low tier bait on /pol/

>>12591340
not even true, the Greeks were extremely racist and classicist.

>>12591340
Ugh, greeks aren't one of the pillars of the west we are FAUSTIAN and greek were APOLLONIAN

>>12591340
Obvious bait but read Plato, faggot
Also nice book thread OP

>>12591413
This and anyone who was granted asylum would never have been granted citizenship of the polis. They would have represented a permanent under-class.

>>12591340
They were hospitable to Greek visiters not foreign settlers

>when a leftoid tries to use the modern concept of racism and applies it to the ancient world


You ever been so racist that only your ethnic group was white and even other europeons were niggers?

You want to know how the roman empire fell?
literrrly because of a bunch of god damn sausage niggers who spent all day in their god damn Forrests dressed up as god damn furries

>>12591340
retard alert
Xenia (guest-friendship) was a reciprocal relationship. Odysseus' treatment of the suitors, who failed on both accounts (in being guests and in receiving guests, that is Odysseus himself in disguise), was certainly righteous.

>>12591340
Being hospitable in our age would mean not sending moderates in to destroy another country, and instead developing relations which benefit the people of both countries.
'LET THEM ALL IN' isn't being hospitable, it's diplomatic sado-masochism.

>>12591514
This just isn't true. There are numerous examples of Greeks and barbarians sharing guest friendship.
But they didn't invite them to stay and become citizens they expected them to leave.

>>12591340
Why do people have to be so mean? How could someone as wise as Plato be an ethnic partialist, or even a racist? How could that be? Someone of such a divine mind, caring for the frivolties of one's arbitrary racial sorting? How can a person live with themselves, knowing within themselves that they see others of different backgrounds as beneath them? Why doesn't everyone have a conscience that recognizes the evil of such attitudes, and more importantly, why don't people just love everyone always? That's what I'm always trying to do, that's all I ever want to do. I don't care at all about any of these arbitrary particulars, I want only to satisfy the eternities in my present existence, and to love everyone that I see without distinction. I don't even see my own self as being of a racial category. Why are other people so cruel, to hold such notions towards other people? Why can't everyone just love eachother, always and forever?

>>12591628
And even then you had self-hating barbarians like Anacharsis.

>>12591630
Sup nigger

>>12591340
That's not 100% true. This is more about helenistic times when they stopped with all the crazyness bullshit like greeks = humans vs barbarians = orientals. But for sure they were very open to understand, exchange culture, etc with foreigns. Herodotus told us about that, about greeks traveling not only to trade, but also to know the world. Anyway the greeks were open even if they don't accepted in the appearances. Their own history, arriving the mediterranean coast, exchanging with the locals, miceneans, creteans, etc.
So, incels don't make sense because a lot of other things, but not exactly for the greeks. They propably only read the actual greeks instead of also reading their history and understanding their roots.

>>12591707
What in the hell are you trying to say?

>>12591441
>Is this bait?
No. Hospitality was huge in European cultures, almost all traditional cultures are like this in the world.

>>12591727
It's not about European cultures, it's about politeism

>>12591727
There is a difference between hospitality and taking hordes of strange people into your country as citizens.

>>12591630
Iudaeorum sunt hostis humani generis

>>12591340
>the Greeks would allow mass immigration from asia at a rate that outscales native births because hospitality
that worked out well for the romans

Look I'm just deeply angered that women haven't yet gifted me the sex I so clearly deserve.

>>12591739
Hospitality is about literally inviting strangers into your home, bro. This is what they still do in Iran sometimes today.

>>12591340
alt-right people think the greek were/are arabs or some shit and only read people with 100% certified europoid haplogroups

>>12591767
Yeah and then the guest is expected to leave. It's more rude to overstay your welcome than to not have someone in.

>>12591773
Modern Greeks are in fact more turk than ancient greek

>>12591791
like clockwork

>>12591743
Extremely woke

>>12591775
You seem to emphasise the "need to leave" a lot.

>>12591340
The greeks also had a great respect for Ethiopians and imagined that when their prayers/sacrifices failed, it was because the Gods were tending to the prayers of the Ethiopians at the time.

>>12591340
Everything you said was wrong. I’m centre left btw, European left.

Athens didn't even have an immigration policy, all foreigners were welcome in the city.

>>12591838
It's an important part of xenia (guest friendship). For example the suitors in the odyssey overstayed their welcome to their shame.

>>12591864
But not as citizens

The politically possessed are little more than mindless automatons spreading the word of their gods. It's like the cordyceps fungus which infects ants and controls their movements by hijacking their senses and desires, forcing them to climb to a high spot before the fungus bursts out of their heads and scatters it's spores onto as large an area as possible. Ideology does the same thing, burying deep into to person's mind and fundamentally altering the frames upon which they see the world. Then, like the poor ant, they move to a particular hobby or interest and the political ideology within them bursts out, infesting their interpretation and comments on everything. Little can be done about it, as not even they are in control.

>>12591870
So it was basically the same as the US with illegal immigration. To embody the greek spirit we should really have no borders and zero legal immigration.

>>12591630
>calling plato divine
he would kick your ass

>>12591630
Can someone give me a genuine response please? How can I idolize Plato or other geniuses of history, when I know them not to be noble in their souls? Why does it seem like I'm one of the few people who sees a problem in these kinds of attitudes, be it racism, classism, misogyny or otherwise? Why can't everyone just love everyone else, and make our stay on this planet easier for all? Life already has so much suffering in it (I've been very sad lately, crying alot, wishing I had someone to hold onto who'd care for and comfort me), why do people make it even harder?

>>12591997
Why do you say that?

>>12592229
At 1:16:15 to 1:21:15
https://youtu.be/9Hkov3QcCpQ?t=4575

>>12592229
The power of the moderns is inexhaustible.
https://youtu.be/oHSuyTrKwdg

>>12592229
https://youtu.be/YcbvGtRIjnI