/lit/ - Literature

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Posted this in the last thread but it's pretty much dead.

I'm thinking of writing a story / novel in which people are able to adopt clones, most of which are clones of famous people and celebrities.

I was thinking that the main char would be one of the first, a clone of Scarlet Johannsen.

Has this been done? Any essential cloning recommendations for inspiration?

>>12560742
Characters are more important than everything.
Characters > Plot > Worldbuilding > Prose
Make sure that your villains aren't shit. The minor villain Gadrith in that Ruin of Kings book was the worst I've seen in a fucklong time.

>>12570550
>Characters are more important than everything.
>for scifi/fantasy genre fiction
No!

>>12570540
Real person fanfiction is already as controversial as shit, even in fandom. You'll need to swap out the names for a book unless you want to get c&d

>>12570540
This month's monthly read features cloning that is done in a pretty interesting way

>>12570559
You are spending all your time with that character. I drop shit books all the time because of them sucking.

>>12570500
What people see in Wizard of Earthsea ? It's boring

>>12570566
If you want to write le deep complex characters then write a literary book, the draw of a scifi/fantasy book is the scif/fantasy aspects. That doesn't mean that the characters should be 2D cartoon characters or they can't have depth at all but the focus should still be on what the genre is about.

>>12570563
Yeah, I hadn't really thought of that. Would a less recent celebrity be less trouble as a main or do you think they should be celebrities only within the novel's world?

You could just set your preconceptions aside and give one of these babies a go. Who knows, you might be pleasantly surprised.

>>12570596
write it about Burgundy Bjornsson instead

>>12560742
I'd answered characters. But lately I've been reading this webcomic (I know) Kill Six Billion Demons. The main cast of characters are sorta meh, but the setting and themes are so good it keeps me interested.
However the good characters are really fun, either in the main or side stories, so I always look forward to their appeareances.

>>12570595
>literary books have deep characters
I would sure hope so, given the fact that the authors of these novels are too unimaginative to change the setting away from the real world. If I wanted a photocopy of what is real I would go outside. Historical fic doesn't really count as lit fic in my opinion.

Also I doubt that the characterisation is inherently deeper in literary fic as opposed to genre fic as those characters don't face any situations more taxing than every day life. It's like playing on a beach as opposed to surfing on a wave, surfing is more risky characterisation wise but also allows for more dynamic situations.

>>12570596
I think it's safer but if some autist's family came and found you because of stuff. Well. Also remember when books had those disclaimers that they weren't based on real people and it was out of imagination? I remember.

Is Blindisght good?

>>12570563
What about politicians? Don't they give up the right to being a private figure?

>>12570649
It's great, do you even need to ask?

>>12570658
The one thing that I don't know anything about is law.

>>12570661
I'm a complete noob and the few people I've heard talk about it were extremely divided on it

>>12570563
I think historical and political figures should be fair game. I also think celebrities who transcend the usual level of fame to the point that they are iconic like Michael Jackson, Elvis and Marilyn Monroe should be fair game too.

>>12570658
Also, like I said, when I was a kid back in my day almost every book had the, all people depicted are works of fiction no inspiration taken from real people etc. I think they stopped publishing those messages

>>12570668
Basically if you go through the warosu archives there was a huge blindsight wankfest a few years back where I and a bunch of other people recced it to everyone on this thread and we had about a 100% approval rating for ages. A couple of people didn't like it recently I think.

I also discovered a leddit about a few months back to farm more book recs called 'printsf' which also tends to rec this book so I am quite sure that it's a generally good mass appeal book even if it is a bit hard scifi.

There are a few minor flaws like the biology being a bit campy in places and the characterisation can be a bit spotty in places but I highly recommend it plus the sequel. I stick it in most of my reclists but I won't outright rec it anymore as I'd think that most people have read them.

>>12570621
Why don't you give Dresden Files or some other book a try?

>>12570540
Youve seen HER last night didnt you?
Celebrities are gay

>>12570540
Why would anyone want a clone of ScarJo? She's got a volatile personality, no acting chops, and looks mannish in the worst ways.

>>12570590
I read through it in one sitting and thought it was very comfy.

>>12570705
Alright then, thanks anon.

>>12570772
HER?

>>12570794
Just an example really. I've not really decided exactly who it would be. I do disagree with everything you said about her though. She's not the best actress but she's decent and she has a nice set of tits.

>>12570772
Oh hang on, you meant Her, the Spike Jonze film. Your capitalisation threw me off.

>>12570595
Characters don't have to be deep or complex, just interesting or entertaining. But without that all the intricate world building and plotting you can muster won't drag me through a story.
You can carry a short story on a good idea alone, but not a novel.

Finished pic related. Seemed like a 500 page long build-up for what's to come next. I enjoyed the characters though. Starting Before They are Hanged soon.

>>12571350
The ononly characters you are supposed to like are West and Gloktha.

Is lit being raided? I swear I'm seeing more shit than usual in the catalog.

>>12571422
Can't say I liked West. Will see what he does in the next books.

Glokta is good. He's in hell, so he may as well keep on going.

>>12571422
Jezel is bestboi

>>12571350
the first trilogy is pretty much a continuous story

What are the fantasy/scifi books released during the last decade that are gonna be classics in the future, sffg?

>>12572298

Yes.

>>12570760
Oh I'm reading different sff books. It's just that Discworld is and old favorite, the ultimate comfy literature for me, with having read many of them twice at least.

Because of you I'm giving Dresden Files 1 a go next, because a professional wizard sounds interesting to me, as I'm interested in wizards a bit.

>>12572483
>Dresden Files
a fair bit of warning. the first few books are pretty great. as the series goes on it gets pretty bad. it progressively gets worse in writing, storytelling and characters. dresden also lateron suffers from a sever case of the mary sue.
personally i suggest you stop after blood rites(book 6) or dead beat (book 7).
there are very few actually good urban fantasy books. i head good things about the demon accords by joe conroe. but i personally cant vouch since i havent read them.
the whole urban fantasy genre is pretty sparse in terms of good actual books. most are romance drivel that you would find in an airport book store where the female mc gets a werewolf or vampire harem that takes turns banging her. so dont expect to find much.

>>12572298
All Sanderson desu

>>12572424
assuming this isn't the same 2 people spamming this meme series, it's not terrible, but not special either. it only gets circle jerked because Maas is a total mommy gf and it's one of the few YA novels that's palatable.

>>12572583
>here the female mc gets a werewolf or vampire harem that takes turns banging her.
I know you are specifically referencing Anita.

>>12573058
>one of the few
It's literally a bog standard YA series.

>>12572583
Those early Anita Blake books were actually very good gritty UF before the author went insane and changed it into harem smut.

There are unusually more good UF with female MC's than male ones. Dresden Files, .... ?

Some that come to mind are - Jane Yellowrock, The Hollows Series, Mercy Thompson

>>12573211
>>12573155
i actually wasnt. no idea who anita blake is.
the setting of getting the mc get a vampire or werewolf harem that takes their turns plowing her is just so common that it could have been any number of those authors.

>>12573229
Yeah there are a lot of harems in UF, it's part of the genre just like LitRPG, but a lot of them are simply copying the late Anita Blake books. It's the most infamous for it.

>>12573244
honestly i dont mind either. clearly there is an audience and people enjoy those books.
all i am saying the urban fantasy genre specifically is not particularly good for male readers.
the only good enough works that i can think of are the dresden files, demon accords(again havent read those), struck by lightning and a few neil gaiman one-off books.
im pretty sure some of those werewolf harem books might be good from a literary standpoint. its just the overwhelming majority probably arent. and since the genre is overwhelmingly romance novels, aimed at women mind you, it probably wont appeal to someone coming here.

>>12571422
Dogman best man

>>12573276
> urban fantasy genre specifically is not particularly good for male readers
Depends what you mean by that. If you meant books with a male MC then sure they are a minority.

>>12570500
can any of you anons help me find a book I've been looking for from childhood
>about a boy and a dragon
>They shrink and wander around the backyard
>both nearly get eaten by a cat
>eventually they end up flying with tons of other dragons
Had it in the late 90s if that helps. Trying to remember it's title since I'd like to get a copy of it for old times sake

>>12573276
>romance novels, aimed at women mind you, it probably wont appeal to someone coming here.
What are some romance books for a nerd male audience? Doesn't need to be full romance, a cute little girl as the lead is enough, maybe with some sexual innuendo. I just want to feel warm cuddly things while reading about cute girls.

>>12573553
codex alera is kinda like that.
waldo rabbit is kinda romance, i mean it takes a backseat to the plot but its there and its pure.

>>12573229
>the setting of getting the mc get a vampire or werewolf harem that takes their turns plowing her is just so common that it could have been any number of those authors.
Anita Blake started it.

>>12573211
>Jane Yellowrock
Ended kinda bad

>The Hollows Series
Ended bad

>>12573693
> Jane Yellowrock
Does it really? I must be missing some books as I hadn't realised it was over. It's been pretty good so far.

>The Hollows Series
Only the last book. It was a let down to be sure as it honestly seemed rushed.

>>12572298
i dont think the past decade has had any classics, at least not any true ones. there are plenty of pseudoclassics, but I think the only series famous enough to survive outside the genre bubble was hunger games

Don't suppose anyone knows a series that goes into deep detail for a about a century's worth of Roman history and political machinations?

>>12574097
Throne of Ass by Sarah J Ass

>>12573553
the name of the wind is definitely a romance. I would argue mistborn is as well but its a really juvenile one

>>12572583
>dresden files
>starting good and getting worse

anon, I have never said this before in my life, but jesus christ does your taste suck

what are some fantasy recs with good horror elements?

>>12570649
It’s trash and the author has a pleb tier understanding of the philosophy of consciousness. Anyone who who calls it good also is a low iq mongoloid who couldn’t understand philosophy if they tried. It’s literally 2deep4u for idiots

>>12574275
philosophy isn't real retard its all just some shit that some guys made up one day

I'm autistic. I draw maps, write histories, design languages, create speculative biology, and other stupid shit for my setting for my novel series. Here is one of the informational maps, this uses the Koppen Climate Classification system.

I am currently trying to write a novel series set in my world
>list out my protagonists
>bird boy slaver who drafts all of his slaves after his drug orchards are repossessed
>druggie slave owner who globetrots to find a new supply
>arrogant bird boy who wasted his inheritance and is getting sent to the jungle to die
>human slave who was sold into slavery because he was so incredibly unlikable
>human undertaker who steals from dead bodies
>slappy whale boy drone supervisor who was bullied so hard he became infertile

The story is mainly about a global political upheaval and economic shenanigans caused by the Osini subcontinent (the southern one on the right) having a drug supplied to them by the Vulkur subcontinent (the top middle one) banned by their main religion. This caused a chain reaction of debt crisis, wars, and government upheavals. A conflict that mirrors the opium war, but with the western powers having a much worse time. A military uprising similar to the rise of napoleon. Economic shenanigans similar to the south sea bubble. And more. The book deals with the ripple effect of the banning of the drug and it being the first step into causing the first world war on the planet.

>>12573817
>Does it really?
She had to turn into a loli Jane to save her life. And now Bruiser has to wait till she can take him to the hilt.

>>12573817
>It was a let down to be sure as it honestly seemed rushed.
>rushed
She rewrote her ending to match what the shippers wanted and fucked her entire series in the ass. See how no one speaks of Kim Harrison anymore? I don't even recommend her anymore, and I was one of her rabid fans. She could have done so much more with Al.

>>12574159
>the name of the wind is definitely a romance
>pining over an used up slut who literally fucks everyone else, even your enemies, but you

>>12574334
> See how no one speaks of Kim Harrison anymore?
I think that has more to do with the fact her follow-up series sucks ass. Ignoring the final book I still think The Hollows is the best Urban Fantasy so far. It has the best world building and storylines as nothing is over the top unlike most other series.

>>12574302
>it's the bird boy slave anon

>The Earth Abides
Jesus christ, I'm sorry /sffg/ but I rarely drop books and quit midway through but this shit is extremely boring and I'm a third of the way through. Does it ever pick up?

>>12574363
You probably a dirty elf lover.
They just gonna use you for genetic experiments anon, they don't really love you.

>>12574338
I didn't say it was a good romance, I just said it was one

>>12574505
I only posted it a few times. Fuck. I'll stop posting it now. I'm sorry. I'm a idiot. I'll stop.

>>12574510
Fuck the elves, demons ftw and manipulating those stupid humans.

>>12574506
i dropped it halfway too, dont think it will ever 'pick up', the story is made like that

>>12570500
>stasis
This has some good stasiskino in it.

>>12573058
her other series is better, desu.

>>12574302
>bullied so hard he became infertile

Is that a euphemism for castration or is it something that has to do with whale biology?

>>12575023
It has to do with their biology. Most of the society are infertile female drones. 19% of the society are 'supervisor' males. These can switch between fertile and infertile depending on signals given off by the queen, generally having to do with favor. 1% of the society are fertile female queens, who are fertile from birth and do not switch.


Traveling whale boys (they are called Pelkori) have their hormones screwed up and generally get stuck as one or the other.

Pelkori were created as a slave race with a built in fertility switch because what it is meant to do is allow their creator race to be able to turn off a population's fertility and just wait 50 years for them to die off naturally. This is due to their extremely long lifespan.

Fuck, writing is going so slowly, but at the very least I think I finally nailed most of the plot down

>>12575079
if they're a slave race, why not just kill them? Like, generally speaking a society that has dehumanized a species enough to enslave the whole lot of them will won't have any more issue murdering them than they would with butchering a pig. At that point sentient beings are just walking profit margins

>>12574302
>bird boy slaver who drafts all of his slaves after his drug orchards are repossessed
>druggie slave owner who globetrots to find a new supply
>arrogant bird boy who wasted his inheritance and is getting sent to the jungle to die
>human slave who was sold into slavery because he was so incredibly unlikable
>human undertaker who steals from dead bodies
>slappy whale boy drone supervisor who was bullied so hard he became infertile

your main cast seems like it's made up of complete assholes. Is that intentional?

>>12575171
The race who created as a slave race ended up essentially eating themselves alive. They died out some 40000 years ago killing one another. The Pelkori have gone through several societal collapses since then due to the echoes like by their progenitor race.

Pelkori are made because they are gifted speakers of the voices and produce something called 'the substances of the divine'. I could explain if you like.

>your main cast seems like it's made up of complete assholes. Is that intentional?
They ended up being very unlikable, I have considered trying to change things to make them less pieces of shit.

>>12573276
>implying

>>12574302
I still see lots of birbois an no catgirls

>>12575295
I don't like catgirls. I got whalebois based on these lads.

>>12575234
>I have considered trying to change things to make them less pieces of shit.

you might want to. People don't usually want to read about a character they hate.

They don't have to be good people mind you, just relatable or entertaining enough to elicit sympathy. For me, creating characters usually involves taking characters I've enjoyed reading about or watching and then allowing them to develop on my head, usually by imposing thematic rules they have to follow. As a result I've now got these

>a one-handed orphan with gordon ramsey's attitude and skillset
>a manic motormouth science nerd who isn't very good at hiding her weird fetishes
>a wisecracking lock picker with a compulsive habit of stealing anything that's not nailed down
>a timid comicbook nerd with a homemade superhero suit at the bottom of her backpack
>twin girls who share a comprehensive knowledge of horror movies and a love of fucking with people

I've got 9 main characters but these are the 6 I like the most

>>12575329
I mean, those are pretty cool, but how do you live with yourself?
Anon... did a catgirl eat your birdboy bf?
It's ok, you can tell us.

>>12575329
>>12575355
Seriously, sentient raptor lads and lasses make more sense.

>>12575355
I just don't like real standard fantasy races I suppose? My birdboys aren't really anthropomorphic, they just look like weird birds with creepy three fingered hands.

>>12575354
I think I can make this lot more relatable, but these are where I can see the stories I want to tell growing from. It shows parts of the world I want to convey.

>>12575359
So I have done a lot of speculative biology work. I can talk about the domestication of pack hunting bats.

>>12571422
I liked Cosca the most, up until Red Country where Abercrombie fucked him. Dogman and Curnden Craw were good too. The way West went down made me irrationally angry.

For me, still a classic.

>>12575525
Good.

>>12575525
Why didn't he just imagine the sphere to never exist in the first place?

>>12575539
Because the eagles would have been killed by the flying Nazgul.

>>12575363
>>12575361
>>12575329
>>12574302
Don't change your protagonists. They can be awful people, it all depends on how they're written. You can end up loving a scumbag.

>>12575363
>>12575361
I'm seriously into your world and ideas. Don't make the characters more relatable, that's YA and self-inserting autist shit.

>>12575572
I agree with this poster. Anti-heroes, dark heroes, the whole spectrum works. The Stainless Steel Rat is a series about a despicable guy who is still entertaining and relatable.

Digitalization of conciousness when?

>>12574292
Christ you’re stupid, stick to make believe books about elves and orcs you virgin

>>12575748
>despicable guy
Except he isn't

>>12570540
Feels like you'd be dipping into territory covered by this book.

>>12570794
>no acting chops
She's underutilised in Hollywood. Check out some of her work in the indie scene, she's a lot better.

>>12575589
>>12575572
I have one things I have not mentioned. My series, which follow the development of the world from the equivalent of the late 1700s to the digital era, are framed with a meta-narrative of a historian piecing together pieces of history for the purpose of rediscovering some secret of the two progenitor races of the world, the Sumori and the Tas Da Daunn.

Does this seem awful conceptually?

>Start outlining a far-future sci-fi story
>Re-read Dune for the first time in a decade for inspiration and to make sure I'm not ripping it off too badly
>Oh jesus it's nearly the same plot
>Even the name of the planetary seat of power for the MC's family is suspiciously close to Caladan

I hate my subconscious.

>>12576185
Do it anyway. Dune is so pervasive in sci-fi that no one will notice another rip-off.

>>12576265
There was one that came out last year that's basically a straight plagiarization of not only Dune but Name of the Wind and the Vorkosigan books. Naturally it got rave reviews.
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2438706777?book_show_action=true&from_review_page=1

>>12576265
>>12576185
I'm very new to sci-fi literature but I've wanted to read Dune ever since the early rts era. Would I ruin my own enjoyment of the genre as a whole by reading Dune early on, and making other books seem shallow and derivative in comparison?

>>12576497
You can read it just fine. It's not a typical sci-fi story. You could even say it's not a sci-fi story at all.

>>12576497
dune is pretty good but it wont overshadow or jade you to other sci-fi.
many people recommend just reading the first 3 instead of all of it. if you want just a taste read only the first.

Is this the biggest waste of potential in history of /sffg/? Imagine creating a lore this interesting...and dumping it all for a love story. I know that other writers took up the world, but I principally despise fanfiction.

>>12576573
tell me more

>>12574302
my first impression of your map: it looks a lot like real earth. mostly water with a handful of continents, capped by the poles. probably too late for you to redraw them, but i would prefer a more alien world.

They are making an Artemis Fowl movie. It doesn't look good. Artemis doesn't look like an autistic evil mastermind who doesn't feel empathy.

>>12577191
they made him good for the film iirc

>>12577191
>They are making an Artemis Fowl movie
FINALLY, I've been waiting for that since well before I turned 27.

>>12577191
He never really looked like that in the book, either. Even as a pubescent boy, he carried himself with poise and dignity. The old comic presents him well.

>>12577197
>they made him good for the film
That's my problem with film adaptations, they rush things. Artemis spends something like three books gradually evolving from a self-centered, egotistical jackass who writes off anyone as collateral damage to a kid who genuinely cares for the well-being of the people around him. Colfer deliberately married that transition with Artemis's physical growth and puberty. In the first book, he was undoubtedly the villain. I don't want him to be a "good guy" right off the bat, that's no fun.

>>12575759
They are working on it.

>>12576150
>Tas Da Daunn
The Irish gods?

>>12576497
Dune is dated as fuck. Read it to see how scifi has developed since then.

A word from the wise for you starving artists.
More POVs doesn't make your book better.
That cunt with 9 characters you better reconsider.

Apparently hiro doesn't want you to post photos or talk about the recapthca giving you a green tick, but 4chin not accepting it.

A word from the wise for you starving artists.
More POVs doesn't make your book better.
That cunt with 9 characters you better reconsider.

>>12577191
I really don't like the genderswaps, it will make Holly's arc worthless. Also Artemis starting out good makes his arc worthless.

But I guess they'll spit on the corpse of the book considering the length of a movie.

Other than that, the casting looks good.

Wait what the fuck, we're getting more Artemis Fowl books

>>12577280
>Also Artemis starting out good makes his arc worthless.
It lays waste to pretty much any character he and his story have. The transition from evil mastermind to brilliant good guy is really what gives the series its soul.
>I really don't like the genderswaps, it will make Holly's arc worthless.
Wait, what?

>>12577269
>Wait what the fuck, we're getting more Artemis Fowl books
I wasn't aware Colfer had stopped writing them, besides one or two hiatuses. He's not letting them die ala Silverwing.

>>12577309
Didn't you know that Commander Root is getting genderswapped? It's not that massive but I bloody hate it when canon is contradicted.

And yeah, Artemis Fowl starting out that way is definitely the charm to his character. I don't recall any character other than Johannes Cabal having a similar arc despite a decade in a half of non stop reading! Not even in anime or TV.

>>12577219
>He never really looked like that in the book, either
Well it's an assumption when I say look, I mean I haven't seen the movie. From the snippets I've seen he doesn't look like a scheming devious fuck. He looks like a kid way over his head. He is even shocked when he gives that fairy a youth potion.

Hollywood and directors just don't seem to understand.
If a book is popular, you don't mess around it for an adaptation. Especially a book that came out within 20 years of making the movie. If they want to tweest the plot of old dusty tomes go ahead. But somehow in their egotistical mind they don't connect them fucking with a book, and the movie shitting the bed at sales. Percy Jackson, Ready Player One, and so many others bombed because the directors try to put the Hollywood romance shit on them from the start of the first 10 mins. Now Artemis is a goodboi who has to save his father from the ebil fairies. The reason the Harry Potter films were so successful was because Rowling fought for the movies to remain true to the books. Those movies made billions. These fucking directors feel people want the same boy meets girl, and they have to fight the world for their love bullshit.

Just watched the trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXlBep9uFjI

Brief allusion to Holly (silhouette), watch them make her black or Arab. Anyway, Haven looks great and the setting has that MIB/Hellboy aesthetic I was hoping for.

>>12577333
I haven't seen Root, but come the fuck on, why? He's such a perfect big brother/dad archetype in later books. Besides, his boss is female. Why can actors rail on about not casting an Asian in an Asian role, but never gripe about artistic integrity when casting men for male roles? It completely subverts his character, especially since Root is such a hapless, grungy elf.

Also, we're going to need to address the elephant in the room: Black Butler.

>>12577335
>Now Artemis is a goodboi who has to save his father from the ebil fairies
>Save his father from the fairies
>from the fairies
>Not Russians

>>12577352
That soundtrack is both ambitious and chill. At least that's perfect.

>>12577335
I just don't understand movie/tv producer logic because when people decide to make an anime from a manga it's almost always a religious adaptation except maybe the ending or scenes skipped but when the west decides to make an adaptation, lo and behold!

>My favourite characters don't have the same personality ruining them
It's always my favourite fucking character
>random romances
>Random genderswapped characters.
>Characters deleted
>it's nothing like the original, it just has the name slapped on
Fucking why.

>>12577352
Butler's alright, he looks the part. Root doesn't even make sense plotwise.

>>12577352
Holly's white or looks white

>>12577367
>Fucking why

>>12577358
>Directed by Kenneth Branagh and based on the beloved book by Eoin Colfer, ARTEMIS FOWL follows 12-year-old genius Artemis Fowl, a descendant of a long line of criminal masterminds, as he finds himself in a battle of strength and cunning against a powerful, hidden race of fairies who may be behind his father’s disappearance.

>>12577367
Support based Cameron, people are saying his Alita adaptation is entirely faithful, maybe we'll get more stuff like that.

>>12577397
Alita looks like avatar with the big eyes. I'm feeling like I'm watching a non blue child sized navi or whatever the fuck they are named.

>>12577269
i should clarify that there are 9 "main characters", but only one will be POV. the others might get interludes to show off their backstories, but at least for the first book the Gordon Ramsey knockoff is the star

>>12577394
>hidden race of fairies who may be behind his father’s disappearance
That's not too far off track, though. To be honest, Eoin's answer to his father's disappearance was underwhelming. It drives Artemis's ambitions and is, in the first book, entirely why he revives the Fowl clan's ancient criminal franchise. In the second (or third?) book, he just saves him in a cool game of Counter-Strike at sea with help from the LEP (if I recall). It was a smokescreen for the real problem: his mother's health.

In any case, if I recall, wasn't it Root that helped Artmeis find his father's whereabouts? It's not too far off track. His grand plan was to get the fairies to help him by threatening to expose their civilization, resulting in an assault on him home.

>>12577335
>But somehow in their egotistical mind they don't connect them fucking with a book, and the movie shitting the bed at sales
I'm recalling avatar the last airbender. The only people that liked it were the poo-in-loos. Because their whole race was the fire nation. Man avatar shit the bed. Percy Jackson nor Airbender will get movie sequels. They will reboot them probably 20 years from now.

>>12577403
With how completely dogshit every other adaptation is in every conceivable way I wouldn't get so stuck on one nitpick about the character's eyes. That said I haven't seen the movie yet so I can't guarantee it's good, but being a passion project of a good director I doubt it can be worse than the standard cash-in hollywood anime/manga adaptation.

>>12577403
>>12577449
It's uncanny valley, but the entire movie is CGI. People are either gonna hate it for that or love it for its themes and ambitious plot lines. Hollywood and its drones'll eat up anything with a young heroine. Let's throw that trailer in, too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3D2vmWD88w

>>12577482
My problem with this is that it's channeling YA shit like Hunger Games and other "young god coming of age" tropes.

>>12577485
What the fuck does "channeling YA shit" even mean? We shouldn't have anything with young characters and action anymore because the hunger games made you feel bad? Nigger I read that whole pile of shit when it came out, I don't have a problem with the concept of The Hunger Games, it's the execution that was terrible. Horrible flat characters, repetitive plots, nonsensical garbage conclusion, I am sure the only reason it ever got big was the kind of interesting world it set up, but did nothing with it in the end. The movies were probably even worse than the books somehow.

Or if you mean it was made to cash in on the hunger games, that's even more dumb, every recent clone of it flopped really badly, he's only making this because he loves the source manga.

>>12577482
u didnt even know there were doing an alita movie until a few weeks ago. i loved the first two original manga versions but i never watched the ova.
i really dont know how i feel about the movie. its a radical departure from the orginal gunnm material that i feel it does it discredit simply by existing. also james cameron. fuck him.
ill probably just skip it.

>>12577531
i didnt even*

>>12577517
>Glossing over the Hunger Games --->movies<--- that clearly inspire the motivations, screenplay, and scripting
>H-he just loves the m-mango
You clearly haven't watched the trailers. I'll even hazard a guess there's more Divergent in there than Hunger Games.

>>12577535
>motivations, screenplay and scripting
>trailer

Teach me your skill at discerning all these from a trailer. The movie is already out in some countries and from what I hear it's pretty faithful, think I'll take those opinions over a fucking trailer expert for now.

>>12577449
>one nitpick about the character's eyes
Gally is described as so beautiful people have a hard time believing she's a robot at first .Her looking perfectly human is one of the basis for the whole "what does it mean to be human / is she a human or something better" themes. She has big eyes in the manga because artstyle
>HEY LET'S MAKE HER EYES BIG IN THE MOVIE LOOOOOOOOOOL.
>if you don't like it it doesn't matter, it's only a nitpick.
It literally means the faggots who made this decision haven't understood the most transparent theme of the manga.

>>12577414
>Eoin's answer to his father's disappearance was underwhelming
I quite liked it. It made sense that two criminal networks would clash, and the resolution developed Artemis' character further than muh I'll be better than my father. Also his relation with the fairies evolve pretty organically for such a genre.
The first 4 books are really top tier YA.

>>12574751
What’s stasiskino?

do you think fantasy has become socially acceptable enough in recent years that fantasy books can become classics without being aimed at kids?

ill be honest, I don't

>>12576497
You can read it,Dune is entry level space opera

>>12576573
>reading for the lore
Go back to /v/

The queen.

>>12578457
Consul > Queen

>>12574506
>Earth Abides
>quit midway through
Try Swan Song by Robert McCammon, that is some genuinely wild post apocalyptic shit.

>>12578457
Anon,I JUST masturbated to pov mommy porn

>>12574302
Do people really put this much work into 'background' for their writing? Seems pointless.

>>12578457
The Maas with plenty of ass

>>12578766
her smirk tells you she likes to be choked while taking it up the ass.

>>12578807
>>12578766
>>12578524
Fuck. Now I want thicc white milfs taking anal in their wide asses.

I'm running low on obscure modern books to read. Please rec some.

>>12578603
he literally said he's autistic

>>12574302
I'm a geologist
I fucking love you, I also like figuring out the geology of fictional maps but I've never done this much work for one
God bless you, anon

>>12579157
Is Super Sales on Super Heroes any good? Is it redpilled?

>>12574302
Super fucking interesting. I would read your genre fiction.

>>12579157
Curtis Craddock - the Risen Kingdoms. The second book that just came out is a great mystery.

>book is secretly a dying earth book
>only hints at this early are references to the sun and sky colour
damn this is nice subtlety

>>12577296
What?

>>12579301
personally i liked it. its pulp schlock basically. don't expect some epic fantasy but a fun nonsensical romp instead and you'll be entertained.

>>12579455
About Myles and Beckett

is The Terror worth reading if I liked the show?

HOLY FFFFFUCK HOW CAN THE BONERHUNTERS BE SO GOOD
I'm near the end during/after the Otataral Island HAPPENING with the xboxhueg jade arms and everyone getting closer and closer to meeting up GODDAMN how is this allowed??

>>12579837
Erikson is like that girl that starts giving you a handy, and it's okay at first. But sometimes she forgets the tempo or goes too tight or not tight enough, and when she feels you get soft she tries weird things like slapping your balls or biting your nipples. You're still not so sure but as you near climax she's suddenly tugging ferociously, giving it her all dammit, and before you know it your eyes are crossed and you're plastering her tits with rope upon rope of glistening semen.

>>12574302
This is great but remember it doesn't make up for the writing and story but it does keep people interested in a series especially if all the details are revealed gradually. It's quite literally world-building.

>>12580721
>doesn't talk to his partner during sex regarding what works and what doesn't

Buncha weird, silent fucks.

>>12579357
>steampunk
Uh.. All the books I read were trash. Not giving the sub genre another chance unless it's from am author I know and trust.

I’m trying to come up with magic for a story I’m writing that revolves around animals. I want it to be interesting but NOT furry shit. These are the different ideas I’ve come up with so far, thoughts? Also all animals are real, no dragons and shit. However almost all extinct animals exist in this world
>humans can fully or partially turn into an animal. The animal you turn into is one that you’ve touched/ate at any point in your life. The more you eat of this animal the more power you get, this is a balancing system of sorts so people with weak common animals have more control than people with powerful dangerous animals. Through meditation and training you can turn into more animals.
>the same idea, but instead of getting more random animals, you get animals related. So you start off with a species, then get mastery of the whole genus, then the whole family, then the whole phylum, etc.
>there are three different types of beast Magic. (1) The first type is like the first two ideas combining with beasts. (2) The second is mentally controlling animals. (3) The third is combining animals with other animals (these are called chimeras). There are combinations. 1+2= Can mentally control humans mixed with animals. 1+3= can mentally control chimeras. 2+3= can give other people animal characteristics
Which one sounds good?

>>12578118
LOTR is considered a classic, and it's not aimed at children (only The Hobbit is).

>>12581029
>I want it to be interesting but NOT furry shit.
>humans can fully or partially turn into an animal.
You dun goofed

>>12581019
The weirdest thing about this author is that the characterisation/plot/worldbuilding/prose is so perfectly balanced.

The prose is so smooth it can cut butter and is the exact right flavour of complexity, the worldbuilding feels particularly authentic without being Simmons tier overbearing, the plot tends to develop in unpredictable ways that stretches the belief but not so much that the novel turns into plot tweest: the sage and the characters have a hidden life all on their own without going against the grain like authors tend to do.There was a pacing issue in the first one but it's corrected in the second one.

If you don't like steampunk though, you probably won't like it. It's very much Dumas + steampunk.

>>12581029
is that from Morrison's Animal Man?

>>12579384
whats it called

>>12581094
Come on, biology is cool and I’m planning on using mostly insects, sea life, and reptiles. Right now my main characters powers consist of cicada, Greenland Shark (for long life), plesiosaur, a Marine Iguana, and a bison. It’s not gonna be furry I swear

>>12581113
*saga

>>12581094
Come on, biology is cool and I’m planning on using mostly insects, sea life, and reptiles. Right now my main characters powers consist of cicada, Greenland Shark (for long life), plesiosaur, a Marine Iguana, and a bison. It’s not gonna be furry I swear
>>12581115
Not Morrison’s, it’s the new 52 run which I daresay is even better

>>12581127
I didn't say that I thought it was a bad idea :3

>>12575234
>>12574302
looks interdasting

>>12581029
>humans can fully or partially turn into an animal. The animal you turn into is one that you’ve touched/ate at any point in your life. The more you eat of this animal the more power you get,
I see you liked wild wastes too. The sex scenes aside, they were preddy gud. You are what you eat after all.

>>12579081
Based,finally someone with good taste in this general

>>12576150
Conceptually no, it sounds fine. Sounds vaguely like Asimov's Foundation series. What it does sound like is hard to do. It sounds hard as fuck. I hope you make it anon.
As other have said in this thread, focus on the characters a lot. Make them believable and understandable.

>>12578457
>>12578766
>>12578807
>>12579081
In keeping with the topic, what about humanoid, sentient raptor ayyyss? Asking for a friend.

>>12578603
>He doesn't worldbuild
>He doesn't engage in worldplay
>He's ignorant to the proven connection between high IQ, giftedness, and worldplay
Literally a sub-double digit IQ troglodyte.

>>12575234
>Pelkori are made because they are gifted speakers of the voices and produce something called 'the substances of the divine'
everyone can do that with enough stimulation

>>12581029
Very strange situation. Everyone would be trying to eat dinosaur or tiger and nobody would eat chicken for fear of becoming a chicken monster. It would be impossible to sustain the demand for "powerful" animals, since they are carnivores and hard to breed in captivity.

I am back. I'm figuring out which region should get a 4k map first. In the pastebin is region descriptions and defined terms. Thank you friends for being so supportive.

POLL: https://www.strawpoll.me/17408725
PASTEBIN: https://pastebin.com/0EHxV0Li

I can also list the regions by narrative importance if anyone cares.

>>12581712
>poor peasants have to eat shitty animals
>rich upper class and only dine on rarities
>demand for powerful animals causes them to only become even more rare in the wild
>this causes the upper class to maintain power easily
Maybe a balance to this could be some sort of vegan church that refuses to eat animals and also tries to save wildlife

>>12581720
List em baby

>>12581720
How can they make pelkori slaves it they are an eusocial species? Do they enslave a queen?

>>12581815
Pelkori sell drones and 'rent' a supervisor or fertile male to keep them going. The drones are conditioned to listen to both males and queens. Basically the Pelkori have given themselves a slave income and liaisons in Vulkur culture by having large swathes of drone slaves being supervised and managed by supervisors & consorts.

>>12581802
I will list both where the protagonists are from and where the bulk of their story takes place.
>historian who is piecing together the truth from scattered histories
From: X
Bulk of Story: X

>bird boy slaver who drafts all of his slaves after his drug orchards are repossessed
From: VIII
Bulk of Story: VIII, VII, & VI

>druggie slave owner who globetrots to find a new supply
From: IV
Bulk of Story: V, VI, IX, & VIII

>arrogant bird boy who wasted his inheritance and is getting sent to the jungle to die
From: VIII
Bulk of Story: IX, III, & VIII

>human slave who was sold into slavery because he was so incredibly unlikable
From: VII
Bulk of Story: IX & VIII

>human undertaker who steals from dead bodies
From: V
Bulk of Story: V & VI

>slappy whale boy drone supervisor who was bullied so hard he became infertile
From: II
Bulk of Story: IX & VIII

Overall I expect the importance to be:
VIII = VI > V = IX = III > VII > XI > IV = II > X > I

>>12581784
Guns and technology in general are the balance. What good it morphing into a cheetahfalconraptor when you get cut in half by a terrified farmer with a 4 winds shotgun.

As I'm writing I'm starting to think my main character seems a bit too angry to be endearing. There's a difference between being a sarcastic snarker and being a rageaholic who basically just spits venom every sentence, and I think I'm on the wrong side. Jesus christ, is this how I sound half the time?

>>12582020
usually, the rich try to avoid arming the poor, at least in historical settings. Too easy for them to revolt if they're armed.

maybe I'm leeching off a tired cliche, but it seems to me like you need an edge case that breaks that balance, a small subset of the population that the main character fits into. Traditionally, it would be a power advantge, but your mechanic really lends itself to a main character who for whatever reason can't gain powers from the animals he eats. Maybe he just can't access the power, or maybe he doesn't eat meat for religious reasons. A third option would be that he gains the traits of plants instead of animals

>>12582097
Read the wild wastes first >>12581280
You are basically rewriting his book.

>>12582106
you're talking to the wrong anon. I'm writing something entirely different

>>12582204
You mentioned about eating to gain power. Everything you mentioned was from that book.

>>12582233
Not the anon you're currently replying to but horizontal gene transfer exists.

>>12581869
>>12581720
why do we allow genrefiction autists like this on the board?

>>12582233
look, I I'm not going to claim my own story doesn't have eating to gain power, but you're an idiot if you think wild wastes invented that trope

>>12582106
Haven’t read that but if anything I got this from animorphs

>>12570500
Is the books The Expanse syfy tv show is based upon worthy reads? I really like the feel of the show. I know it's basically contemporary science fiction, but is it post modernist garbage?

Help me choose between
>The Forever War
>Leviathan Wakes (The Expanse series, book 1)

>>12582258
>muh genrefiction
>with an anime reaction pic
You have literally no room to be talking shit
Also, fuck /outerlit/

>>12582481
>post modernist
This term is literally meaningless, go back to /pol/

>>12582508
Ummm no, sweetie. You are wrong. I'll have a venti vanilla bean frappacino extra caramel with that, thank you!

>>12581869
>>12581720
>>12574302
If anyone is curious I can explain my method of story creation. Basically an invented technology has long reaching consequences. The first is the ripples caused by the invention of chemical warfare, which leads to the first world war for the planet. The second is caused by the invention of audio recording devices, which leads to collapse of the Vulkur colonial powers. The third is caused by the invention of anesthesia which leads to the discovery and subduing of the Susajahi.

This is all leading towards a transition into the digital era for the world. I am framing these stories with a metanarrative based around a later historian piecing together truths of the world to try to come to a conclusion about the world's two progenitor races. This metanarrative is occurring roughly fifty years after the subduing of the Susajahi.

>>12582565
Fuck off Peterson

>>12582481
>post modernist garbage
>referencing literature
Just say cultural marxism if you're referencing the referencing post modern social critique/theory/whatever. Any SF&F writer that tries to step away from the genre part of genre fiction, defying the mold created after Tolkien, is somewhat post-modernist. Hell, second only to Gravity's Ranbow (which most would not even call sci-fi) BotNS is arguably the defining post modernist work of SF&F.

>>12582508
Image related, it's you and possibly also the post you're replying to.

>>12582642
>referencing the referencing
Oops

Is it possible to write about anthropomorphic characters but avoid the taint of furshit?

>>12582733
check out redwall aesop's fables

>>12570500
Question for my web novel bros, would you read a wuxia featuring a girl?

>>12582733
Yes, just don't be a furry.

Replace eroticism with humor.

>>12582745
>wuxia featuring a girl?
what's a wuxia?

>>12582757
Chinese kung-fu fantasy, it's very paint by numbers typically.

>>12582565
>>12582642
read the reminder fags

So I was reading the part right before Kvothe getting to the University. He meets this girl for two seconds and falls in love with her.

Yeah, okay. Thanks.

This isn’t going to be a thing, is it? It’s because he’s young right? Or is all the romance in this book going to be “instant love.”

anyway now I’m at the part where he’s at the University and what is up with the treatment of Women in this book? It’s like the only noteworthy thing about them is that they’re women??? Like, this professor yells at two boy students for being late, and when a girl walks in, he helps her get seating and get her papers out. He makes this weird comment like, “Could you cross your legs, dear?”

GROSS GROSS GROSS GROSS

What is it like, being a guy and knowing you’ll have your gender represented in ways that aren’t deeming and the characters will actually be cool, interesting, and dynamic people?

Okay, I’m just being nasty, but I wasn’t expecting the blatant sexism in this book. What is the point to it? And why do fantasy books always have sexism (to be historically accurate or whatever), but don’t usually deal with racism? Out of curiosity, what fantasy series deals with the topic of racism?

Or am I just being ignorant?

>>12582745
Why wouldn't we read a wuxia featuring a girl?

You could argue that 95% of /a/ is exactly that.

>>12582811
I always took it as the unreliable narrator. His "dream waifu" treats him pretty casually, and while he says she's the most beautiful in the world, everybody around him is kinda like "eeeeh". The Narrator is young, naive, and really kind of an idiot.

As for racism, Terry Pratchett always claimed that when you get elves, goblins, and dwarves, there's really no point in being racist against other humans.
If you want actual racism, then just read Tolkien. The black people that sauron hires are just as inherently evil as the orks.

>>12582811
>Books written by females for feminine power fantasies are good and just.
>Books written by males for nerd power fantasies are bad and gross.

???
If you want developed characters and nuanced plot, then perhaps you should try some other genre.

>>12582812
It's somewhat subversive to the genre.

>>12582829
Yeah terry has always been kinda dim, adding more superior humanoids isn't going to make people hate blacks any less.

>dark elves are bow'd on sight.
>chaops dorfs are cursed and spoken of in the same hushed tones.
>nega-humans are somehow allowed to sleep inside.

>>12582811
For most of human history racism was an after though, there was nowhere near the population mix we have now to the point that interaction to a large scale was unheard of.
Also it's a crap subject that adds nothing to a plot.

>>12582879
What do you have against dark elves. They're much hotter than regular ones.

While we're on the topic, any books about sexy dark elves?

>>12582894
dark elf trilogy. its forgotten realms though.

>>12582879
>It's somewhat subversive to the genre.
theres a lot of wuxia with female mcs. surprisingly though most of them arent actually reverse harems. most mcs in that are actually lesbos.

>>12582898
I feel like drow should be considered separate from dark elves.

>>12582904
That's not surprising at all.

>>12582904
This isn't particularly surprising.
Yaoi = all dicks = means that it's less gay for girls to self insert into
Yuri = all vaginas = means that it's less gay for guys to self insert into

>>12582811
>characters will actually be cool, interesting, and dynamic people
Was Kvothe any of these things? I dropped it very quickly because his own perspective made him sound like a total cunt.
But I'll never understand the need or expectation that fictional characters represent a sex, race, species, or whatever.

>>12582879
>For most of human history racism was an after though, there was nowhere near the population mix we have now to the point that interaction to a large scale was unheard of.
>Also it's a crap subject that adds nothing to a plot.
Racism has been a mainstay of human history, large scale population movements are frequent throughout all ages.Countries like Turkey, Iran, Russia and so on are very much shaped by the interaction of different people and "racism" between groups. The difference is that back in the day you would simply displace the native population and segregate into separate communities, or kill the males and take the women. What is somewhat quaint with the modern age is that immigrants are a lot more diverse, from areas much further away, and the native population is forced to live side by side. Even then you do have a pronounced tendency of displacement in large cities where immigrants form their own communities and natives move away to ethnically similar areas elsewhere.

Racism has always been implied even if it hasn't been formulated as a policy or whatever you read into the term. Bantu slaughtered all the natives in sub-saharan Africa based on their superiority, Indonesians wiped out the indigenous people and are currently doing the same in West-Papua based on racist principles. The same applies to Chinese expansion, Slav expansion, Germanic expansion, splits between Turkic and Mongol people, Indo-Aryans in India displacing the darker natives, Celts being wiped out of Europe... and so on. Ancient Greeks were fiercely racist, as were Romans.

>>12582919
Kvothe is a literal shiteating character. The ledditor who originally posted which some autistic retard reposted as >>12582811 has unironically just saved herself one autistic book of elf sex, MUH UNIVERSITY FUNDS, getting cucked by Denna and a non existent third book to this series that was cancelled for a Rick and Morty guidebook.

>>12582925
Yeah what I was referring to was racism as a social issue, for most of human history group think was considered standard and not in anyway weird.

>>12582925
The reason why racism exists is because of incest. People must have really enjoyed fucking their cousins, parents and siblings in order for white people to look white and black people to look black and for all asians to look identical.

The reason why you shouldn't fuck your sibling or yourself for that matter is that it allows recessive genes to be expressed. Yet different populations are already so inbred that things like cystic fibrosis in white people exist.

They say that opposites attract, but I don't think so.

>>12581019
I read the Mortal Engines series a while ago, they were surprisingly OK. Not what i had expected. The ending didnt pull any punches.

>>12582937
Incestuous traditions are especially pronounced in Sudan and Pakistan, and in the middle east in general. In Europe it is virtually non-existent if you don't count in royal houses.

>cystic fibrosis
On what grounds do you make the claim that this genetic disorder is caused by incest?

>>12582967
The fact that it is extremely prevalent in the white population and not in any other racial groups. And the same goes for other racial groups with their own little problems like the alcohol dehydrogenase enzyme gene in asians.

Anyway, that is my theory.

>>12582946
Have you seen the movie?

>>12582994
>whites have a low level of incest
>a thing only appears in whites
If anything, cystic fibrosis would correlate low amounts of incest then.
No way to say anything about causation.

>>12583074
If it's not in other populations it means that someone acquired this rare mutations but only spread it around in one group and no one in the group passed it on to another group. You just get the weirdest feeling imaginable looking at these recessive genetic diseases (which you have to get two copies to express) that only affect so and so population.

And then there's that weird section in the canticle of leibowitz where they say that racism was defeated because every country sent up tiny expeditionary forces and if they wanted to survive they couldn't inbreed themselves to death.

It makes you wonder, is selected for? Is it selected against?

How many humans really began the human race?

>>12583220
>How many humans really began the human race?
2

Just finished God Emperor. It was really good.
Is it true that I should stop now? Should I not read Heretics and Chapterhouse?

>>12583220
Depends entirely on your definition of incest. From a light reading on wikipedia it is apparent that these faulty genes do exist in all populations, just at a lower rate. There are also multiple different genetic disorders that impact this pair of genes. The gene is recessive, and does not lead to adverse effects, unless it is coupled with another recessive gene to disable the pair. This results in male infertility among other things.

Beneficial genes spread because they allow the individual to outperform the competition in some way (looks, brains, brawn, digestion). Adverse genes generally spread in two ways, A) it doesn't negatively impact the individual until after childbearing age, or B) the adverse genes are coupled with strong genes that outweigh them, or in some other way does not contribute to negative selection. Imagine that one ultra chad born 10.000 years ago had a small unimportant defect, it could spread by hitch-hiking on what would otherwise be a superior genetic mix.

So incest is not the cause, it is a benign genetic flaw that probably appeared in Europe and spread normally. Now for the actual issue. For the genetic disorder to become apparent you need two parents with the recessive gene. 30.000 people in the US have the disorder, out of 220 million with European ancestry. Being a carrier does not equate incest or inbreeding, and I don't think either term really applies here.

>>12582481
The expanse is decent, not genre defining good but i enjoyed the ones that ive read. The first book is good but the second one is quite bad imo, it's just the exact same plot again but with a slight spin. Read the first one then the rest if you like it

>>12582925
>Everyone in history was screaming "1488, kill all darkies" at anyone vaguely different
imagine being this race obsessed, an actual mental illness, not even memeing. Thinking that all history is some big race war is just wrong

>>12583264
Personally I loved Heretics and Chapter House. The only thing I didn't like is that they basically end on a cliffhanger that will never be resolved.
>Also that feel when no sex witch gf

would you buy the spacex mars ticket and live there anon? i imagine someone as useless as me would have a role there

>>12583373
>>12583373
>>Everyone in history was screaming "1488, kill all darkies" at anyone vaguely different
I never mentioned this, neither did I mention skin colour. Stop being dishonest and stop strawmanning.

>Thinking that all history is some big race war is just wrong
You are here because your ancestors exterminated the people who lived here before you and raped their females. There is a reason why there is a great distinction between patrilinear and matrilinear genetics. I don't care about your uneducated interpretation of "race war" or whatever buzzword terms you are going to use. All history is the history of one group of people outcompeting and displacing other groups of people.

>>12582330
Where did I say it invented the trope? For millennia people ate the hearts of their enemies or strong animals because they said it gave power. Hell, when I was 6 and my uncle killed and cleaned turtle meat for us, he swallowed the beating heart, because he said the turtle lives for so long, it would transfer some of that life to his.

There's nothing wrong with being racist. Live near a signifiant amount of blacks for about two weeks and you'll be racist too. It's one thing of one or two people act like shits, you can just ignore them. But when an entire diaspora acts like a bunch of retarded animals then it's hard not to form some kind of bias against them.

>>12582570
>google Susajahi because wtf
>bird slave boy anon is a tg fag
You know subconsciously I knew, it didn't really surprise me.

>>12582811
This is the most goodreads post I've read in a while, good job!

>anons think when people are fucking their mother, sister or cousin behind the bran they will shout it from the bran tops
Don't go acting all know it all because Wikipedia said something. Incest was prevalent in Europe and Asia.
The saying "cousin and cousin make a dozen" doesn't come from thin air.

>>12583599
Somewhere cousin vs cousin is 5% of all marriages (4 million people out of an 80 million population).
Otherwere cousin vs cousin is the standard at half of all marriages (40 million out of a population of 80 million).
One is more incestuous than the other, can you guess which?

>>12574528

Is there lewd interaction between birdmasters en human slaves?

anything like this? (1/2)

>>12583823
(2/2)

or like this? (3/3)

>>12583866
please fuck off

>>12582481
Forever war sucks dick. I regret buying it.
Weird mixture of men and female on a rotational sex scheme. Meh war. Meh characters. Werid pacing

>>12574302
Just came out of a dream that felt like a million years.

This looks as real as real life, I hope.

I'll read your book.

Rate my chart

>>12582570
who is this bird boy?

>>12583991
>kings of the wyld
opinion discarded

>>12583991
Is Fimbulwinter actually good or just smut?

>>12584200
its kinda smutty. theres somewhat explicit sex but its not the entire book. the story is alright but he really could use a better editor.

>>12583765
No really, don't have have compatible sexual organs.

>>12583501
Yes I am from /tg/. Is it bad to be a fa/tg/uy?

>>12584004
Which birdboy? The historian? Right now the working concept is that he is a government employee tasked with this because of a greater looming threat.

>>12584200
Its smut, but a very high quality smut. There's a ton of sex scenes, but the overall story is interesting and makes sense.

>>12574302
>>12581720
>>12581869
Praise autism. Be sure to let us know when you publish your book.

>>12584291
I can answer questions about too if you're at all curious. I can talk about bird religion.

>>12583599
Never heard that saying in my life y*nkoid

>>12583832
Belgariad

>>12583823
>>12583832
Sorcerer's Son by Phyllis Eisenstein

>>12582809
For fucks sake, post-modernism in literature is NOT a political movement and anyone posting on a board focused on literature (or who have graduated high school) should know that.

>>12583991
>Kings of the Wyld
>Poppy War
>not mainstream

hey /sffg/, flavoranon here. just wanted to give an update since its because of the promise I made to you that ive started writing again.

the novel's moving slowly, but its picking up speed and I think ive finally settled on story plan. its a bit similar to the wizard of oz, but since that's a classic I don't mind as much as I would if I ripped off something less famous

>>12583991
did you mean <5 years of age? city of brass came out last year

that said, the ones on the list that i've read are pretty good

>>12581869
>>12581720
>>12574302
This smell, it smells of autism.

>>12583074
Whites have low levels of incest only NOW. Einstein, E.G. Poe, etc. married their cousins. It was very normal until WW2. When women got "liberated", cousin marriage declined.

>>12584553
But he lives life well.

First time joining a reading event since I happened to stumble on the thread just as you picked and my library had a copy. How does the discussion part work?

>>12583466
Just change that to whites. White people are the nastiest humans I ever come across. They don't like to bathe regularly, and don't wash their clothes often enough.
I've lived next to enough whites to know they are the most filthiest humans on the planet.

>>12584664
Good reason to live with your own kind, then.

>>12584679
Then tell them to gtfo of my country and stop migrating here.

>>12584699
t. Dubliner

>>12583866
Is it that easy to get a thicc qt japanese gf?
Just throw yen at her?

We got any easy to read fun wankfest like everybody loves large chests but without the rape and emotional abuse?
I want a break from serious reading but fuck me that shit is way too dark for my tastes

>>12582809
>leftist bait poster
Yeah leftists are known for posting about post-modernism and cultural marxism

>>12583991
Is this bait? There are a lot of avoid at all costs on that lists, some I haven't read, and some that are okay.

>>12584362
>google y*nkoid
>pol responses up the ass
>it's the pol wikipedia facts anon from a few thread ago
I thought you were btfo by reason so much you left.

>>12584719
>only europe and burgers use 4chins

>>12584315
bird religion? probably just a shit copy of christianity

>>12584775
If you are a good looking westerner you don't even need to do that.

If I get published is it possible to get on /sffg/'s reading list?

>>12584643
>How does the discussion part work?
Monthly reading fag post a couple of questions and everyone write what they thought about the book.

>>12585177
That's a pretty big if anon...
ganbare!

>>12585119
The basis of Vulkur spirituality is a combination of ancestral worship and non-deific philosophy similar to Buddhism with strong themes of self perfection. Most of the main Vulkur religious practices are some combination or variation on these ideas.

Their main concept centers around these three phrases:
>"We That Were"
>"We That Are"
>"We That Will Be"

They have an overarching cultural obsession with their origins and brought around that with physically emulates them. As a species they revere their primitive equivalents. Think of it as if humans brought Chimps and Bonobos with them as they spread across the world. They reverse these as they believe that they were once the We That Are and sacrificed to create current Vulkur, their We That Will Be. Then it is the duty of the current Vulkur to continue this trend and become the We That Will Be.

This entire philosophy essentially discounts non-Vulkur has not having any form of philosophical or relevance, or in cases of extreme sects non-Vulkur sapient races are a universal threat to the Vulkur as they represent a different passage along the Were->Are->Will Be line that infringes on the Vulkur's.

There is another idea separate from this, the "We That Are Not". Essentially the idea of other possible scenarios for the future if other choices had been made. It is fashionable for affluent Vulkur families to essentially have alternate history fanfiction written for their families. So they sideworship versions of themselves that could have been, or at least revere them.

Depending on the fashion of the times how you write these fanfictions change, but writing your enemies to be doing better in these stories basically implies they made poor decisions in the real timeline and could have done better, while writing yourself as an underdog with less than you have implies you did the best possible, if that makes sense.

>>12585177
Considering the absolute dogshit recommendations & trolls that get posted here the bar is set very low so anything is possible.

>302
post shit so i can make the next thread
i've been laying in bed for 4 hours trying to sleep
i give up

>>12584842
>being a proud newfag

>>12584806
>>12583991
is this harry potter fanfic really that good?

>>12585218
>4 hours
You could have made 240 posts in that time.

>>12585237
yeah but i would get a global ban for a few days

>>12585213
>cultural fanfiction

>>12584699
Which country is that?

random chart on my folder

>>12585290
>>12585290

>>12585177
Even rabbitanon didn't try that.
Or did he? I forget.

>>12585213
It seems you have made hundred of pages of deep lore for your project.
How many books do you intend to write? I think that if you want to give the reader a true glimpse of your lore, youre going to have to write like 1000 pages. Otherwise the reader will always be left wondering "wtf was that about?" Thread carefully.

>>12585223
>if you don't know polnoid speak you are a newfag
Pol is a containment board for a reason. Why would I partake of your memes? Do you see me posting pony memes all over the place?