/lit/ - Literature

>>12570832
For the last time, no. There are plenty of incel writers for you to emulate.

>>12570840
*good writer
Nice try, keep your hopes alive.

Doesn’t need to be sexual but an experience of love and touch is very important.

Absolutely. It's a rite of passage in society. Imagine writing a book that is going to deal with human relationships and not portray a such a basic thing that most people experience. If you're a virgin, you have the hope if at least, you had some GFs but for some reason, no sex. Because sex really is the culmination of the whole dating and male-female relationship process. So you have some idea on how humans in relationships behave. However, if you're a kissless gfless virgin who has never experienced love then you have absolutely no chance in writing.

Life experience is important. Who wants to read about the masturbatory adventures of a NEET?

>>12570832
not at all
actually people with less sexual experience are usually more intelligent and make better writers

>>12570832
pic not related?

>>12570832
no but a fart fetish is

>>12570911
My sides are now in orbit

>>12570832
hör auf den Sonderschüler zu mobben, du Untermensch

>>12570832
if you're a virgin, you can't be a good writer.

>>12571036
anyone who tries to dispute this is a virgin and doesn't know what they're talking about.

>>12571036
>tfw even the medieval scholastics liked to party and smashed pussy on the downlow

>>12571036
/thread

>>12570862
>It's a rite of passage in society.
Why would it be?

>However, if you're a kissless gfless virgin who has never experienced love then you have absolutely no chance in writing.
Do you think every story is about the minutiae of romantic relationships?

>>12571036
Based on what?

>>12571039
Based on what?

>>12571248
>Why would it be?
What do you mean? It is. You are barely recognized as a man if you haven't lost your virginity. There is immense pressure for you to lose it, particularly in high school, and in college it gets ridiculous, it's pretty much the only thing people talk about. When you get to work things cool down but if you're a virgin at 26 you will absolutely be considered weird.
>Do you think every story is about the minutiae of romantic relationships?
No, but the intimate affection and the comes and goes of romantic relationships are just a step above from the normal affectional love you show to your friends and family. If you can't report on such a basic human experience, then i'm skeptical you can report on any human emotion at all, since love is such a basic will towards life.
Writing isn't for virgins and socially retarded people. Most of the writers, with minor exceptions, were cosmopolitan bohemians or normal people who lived a life of meeting people and reporting their experiences to the page. You won't find a writer who lived his life shitposting on 4chin and not getting outside writing a compelling outlook on society. He has barely experienced society. All he has is his childhood and his stunted emotional growth, and his distorted adult views. There is nothing of worth that can come out from a socially misadjusted virgin.

>>12571248
dumb virgin

>>12570862
>books are for portraying human relationships

>>12571248
Literature is about life and people. A kissless virgin knows nothing of life or people. He doesn't even understand his own body

>>12571309
you're right they're actually about portraying smelly virgins wanking into socks over hentai

>>12571299
>You are barely recognized as a man if you haven't lost your virginity.
Losing your virginity has nothing to do with being a man.

>If you can't report on such a basic human experience, then i'm skeptical you can report on any human emotion at all, since love is such a basic will towards life.
There's no reason at all why this would be true, and romance in fiction tends to not even be realistic anyway.

>Writing isn't for virgins and socially retarded people.
There's no reason at all why this would be true.

>>12571306
Why does the left consider it a grave moral transgression to be a virgin or to not be able to have sex? Why does the left bring it up constantly and out of nowhere?

>>12571317
>A kissless virgin knows nothing of life or people.
Based on what?

>He doesn't even understand his own body
Based on what?

>>12570862
>>12571321
>books are for portraying human relationships

>>12571326
It's not a moral transgression, it just means the person hasn't experienced life. Expecting a virgin to write well about life is like expecting a deaf person to write well about Beethoven

>>12571326
Who said I was a leftist? Losing your virginity has everything to do with being a man. The brain's reward system and bio-feedback systems are built upon getting men to fuck women, and to claim otherwise is to be a dumb virgin.

>>12570960
feel free to rein them back in

>>12571338
It is a moral transgression. The left has been continuously portraying it as such. Why do you consider it a moral transgression?

>it just means the person hasn't experienced life
Based on what?

>Expecting a virgin to write well about life is like expecting a deaf person to write well about Beethoven
Based on what?

>>12571335
Not sure why you're citing Kafka here since he is THE writer on modern human relationships. His prose isn't that good or special, but his tales about humans are what makes him famous.

>>12571331
>Based on what?
Based on him having never experienced life or people or his own body beyond a surface level. A blind man knows nothing of painting, a virgin knows nothing of life, society, his own body,

what are some books by virgins

>>12571326
>Losing your virginity has nothing to do with being a man.
Based on What?
>There's no reason at all why this would be true, and romance in fiction tends to not even be realistic anyway.
There's no reason at all why this would be true.

Nigger and virgin. Nigger virgin.

>>12571342
It's a leftist meme. Leftists have declared war against anyone who is a virgin or unable to have sex for any reason.

>Losing your virginity has everything to do with being a man.
No, it has nothing to do with being a man.

>and to claim otherwise is to be a dumb virgin
There's the leftist meme again.

>>12571349
>Based on him having never experienced life or people or his own body beyond a surface level.
Based on what?

>>12571353
>Based on What?
On what basis does losing your virginity have anything to do with being a man?

>Nigger and virgin. Nigger virgin.
Why don't you try arguing what makes it a moral transgression to be a virgin or involuntarily celibate?

>>12571348
Almost none of the relationships portrayed in his books are realistic, or,, for that matter, are they supposed to be.

>>12571347
When you haven't experienced a thing it means you haven't experienced that thing. Sex and sexual love are perhaps the single most fundamental aspect of existence, as recognised by all cultures and all art. A virgin hasn't not experienced this fundamental aspect of existence, and thus has little to express about it
What do you think a deaf man can tell me about Beethoven?

>>12571352
anything written by a monk/priest (hopefully)
gargantua and pantagruel

>>12571357
>On what basis does losing your virginity have anything to do with being a man?
There's no reason at all this would be true.
>Why don't you try arguing what makes it a moral transgression to be a virgin or involuntarily celibate?
Based on what?

>>12571360
The world is full of stories that don't include sex, and it is possible for people to write about things they haven't personally experienced. Sex is no different at all from anything else in this regard.

>>12571366
>There's no reason at all this would be true.
So you agree with me.

>Based on what?
Based on the fact that you are claiming it to be one.

>>12571354
way to ignore the whole point of my comment.

>>12570832
Anyone who wants to be a writer on this board should just give up. Nobody cares what you [don't] have to say.

>>12571358
Not sure why you're citing "realism" when no one mentioned that. You don't need to autistically replicate relationships because that's dumb and impossible. But there is an obvious baseline "realism" to whatever portrayal of whatever experience, an obvious point in which suspension of disbelief is achieved. To get to that point, you need life experience, virgin boy.

>>12571369
>So you agree with me.
Based on what?

>Based on the fact that you are claiming it to be one.
There's no reason at all this would be true.

>>12571375
BASED

>>12571369
>The world is full of stories that don't include sex,
Not really, but I understand why a virgin would think this. I can't think of a single story I have ever read that didn't have a sexual aspect.

>>12571371
What was I ignoring?

>>12571383
Ah, ok. You're having a psychotic episode.

I've noticed for a long time now that some people on 4chan will go into a psychotic state if you repeat yourself a few times. This causes them to flip out, and they begin to repeat what you repeated. I have no explanation for it, but it's a common occurence.

>>12571387
Yes really. Lots of stories don't include sex. For example, there is almost never sex in anime.

>>12571391
>Lots of stories don't include sex
They do, you just don't notice. I've never seen an anime without a sexual aspect

>>12571378
Hey, don't single me out. I'm the one who wrote this

>>12571375

If you think your sexual experience is going to get you ahead in the literature game, then I suppose you're just dumb.

>>12571402
They do not. You are so degenerate, so sex-crazed that you are hallucinating sex where none exists.

>I've never seen an anime without a sexual aspect
Again: sex is rare in anime. You just haven't seen anime, period.

>>12571402
>watches anime

This is a bigger sign someone isn't going to make it than being a virgin. You have no taste.

>>12571326
>Losing your virginity has nothing to do with being a man.
You can't even get a fucking femal to touch your small penis and you want to consider yourself a man? Imagine if our species, back hundreds of thousands of years ago, had been inundated by "men" like you. There would be no humans at all. You are a failure, a genetic undesirability.
>There's no reason at all why this would be true, and romance in fiction tends to not even be realistic anyway.
No one is talking about realism, or "romance" fiction. Of course there are reasons. Imagine a mathematician who doesn't know algebra or basic arithmetics. Impossible. Just as it's impossible for a writer to be successfull and write well without having human relationships, and in particular, romantic relationships, since they are just the final expression of all the other relationships. Even writers such as Borges, Kafka, Pessoa, and other meme writers this board loves to associate with virgins, were in fact, quite the contrary. Borges for example was a cosmopolitan and travelled the world and lectured in many colleges, and had a wife to help him when he went blind.
>There's no reason at all why this would be true.
Anon, i'm afraid this writing thing isn't for you.

>>12571416
What is the problem with watching anime?

>>12571420
The writing for one.

>>12571365
>anything written by a monk/priest (hopefully)
If they are from the middle ages, then there is a possibility they were Monk Chads using the church's money to fuck whores and have sons and shiet.

>>12571418
>You can't even get a fucking femal to touch your small penis and you want to consider yourself a man?
You are projecting, and again losing your virginity has nothing to do with being a man and there's no reason why it would.

>Imagine if our species, back hundreds of thousands of years ago, had been inundated by "men" like you.
More projection.

>You are a failure, a genetic undesirability.
And more projection.

>Imagine a mathematician who doesn't know algebra or basic arithmetics. Impossible. Just as it's impossible for a writer to be successfull and write well without having human relationships, and in particular, romantic relationships, since they are just the final expression of all the other relationships.
The equivalent to your mathematician comparison is a writer who doesn't know the technical aspects of writing. Whether or not one has had sex has very little effect on their writing ability. It only means there is one thing they don't have personal experience with. Nobody in the world has personal experience with everything in existence.

>Anon, i'm afraid this writing thing isn't for you.
When will you stop projecting?

>>12571425
How?

>>12571405
Well start naming these stories and animes without a sexual aspect. Take your time.

>>12571358
That's the point, they're absurdist.
You need to know the reality before you expand upon in absurdity.

>>12571391
bio-feedback loops. male psychology.

>>12571434
You have no idea what you're talking about and have never watched anime. I repeat again: sex is a rarity in anime. There is no reason for anyone to list all the anime that don't have sex, because most of them don't have it.

>>12571437
What are you talking about?

>>12571433
>How?

You can't tell because you have no discernment. That's why you're not going to make it.

>>12571443
I said sexual aspect, not sex. Again, take your time, come up with a really good answer.

>>12571433
>p-projection!
This is actually a projection because you're projecting that i'm somehow "projecting" onto you your own flawns, when i'm merely pointing them out. No matter how many virgin tears you cry, masculinity has a real role in society and it doesn't include being a weak faggot who's afraid of women. Again, you can't get a fucking WOMAN to touch your penis, dude. Have you ever seen how stupid they are? It's not hard.
>The equivalent to your mathematician comparison is a writer who doesn't know the technical aspects of writing. Whether or not one has had sex has very little effect on their writing ability. It only means there is one thing they don't have personal experience with. Nobody in the world has personal experience with everything in existence.
What are you talking about, the plot IS a technical aspect of writing, retard.
>Whether or not one has had sex has very little effect on their writing ability.
Wrong. It signals that this man can't relate or comprehend a basic feeling of humanity. Also, see my original comment. I said that if you at least had a GF, then you're somewhat fine, because you experienced a romantic relationship. However, for the kissless hugless virgins there is no chance to make it.
> It only means there is one thing they don't have personal experience with. Nobody in the world has personal experience with everything in existence.
It's not just "one experience". You're talking about sex as if it's an experience like travelling to Greece or France that not everyone will have the chance to experience in their lives. This already shows how opaque you are to human interactions, and that you are simply not fit for writing. Sex happens all the time. There are people having sex right now near to where you live. If not sex, then people are at least engaging in romantic relationships.

>>12571354
But I'm a communist and a virgin

>>12570832
No, the Apostles, St. Augustine, St. Anselm, Martin Luther

>>12571468
>It's not just "one experience". You're talking about sex as if it's an experience like travelling to Greece or France that not everyone will have the chance to experience in their lives
This. Virgins just don't understand what a fundamental aspect of life sex is how it underpins everything like the foundation props up a building

>>12571452
You can't answer because you have no answer, and you have no answer because you don't know what you're talking about.

>>12571459
We have been talking about sex this entire time.

>>12571468
>This is actually a projection because you're projecting that i'm somehow "projecting" onto you your own flawns, when i'm merely pointing them out.
I haven't said anything about myself, ergo you are projecting. This is irrefutable.

>No matter how many virgin tears you cry
Explain why you, as a leftist, think that being a virgin is a moral transgression.

>masculinity has a real role in society and it doesn't include being a weak faggot who's afraid of women
Projection.

>Again, you can't get a fucking WOMAN to touch your penis, dude.
Projection.

>What are you talking about, the plot IS a technical aspect of writing, retard.
Did I say it isn't, retard?

>Wrong. It signals that this man can't relate or comprehend a basic feeling of humanity.
It does no such thing.

>It's not just "one experience".
It is. It's no different from anything else.

>This already shows how opaque you are to human interactions, and that you are simply not fit for writing.
Projection.

>Sex happens all the time.
Playing video games happens all the time. Drinking alcohol happens all the time. Driving a car happens all the time. Flying on a plane happens all the time. Taking care of a pet happens all the time.

>>12571478
What are you talking about?

>>12571482
What is it supposed to be underpinning?

nope
t. greatest poet of the 20th century

>>12571489
>I'll take a potato chip, AND EAT IT!

Oh yeah, top shelf stuff, really.

And once again, what kind of solipsistic piece of shit do you have to be to be an aspiring writer in 2019 anyway?

>>12571489
>Leftists have declared a war against anyone who is a virgin

>>12571502
There's bad writing everywhere.

>And once again, what kind of solipsistic piece of shit do you have to be to be an aspiring writer in 2019 anyway?
Where did I ever talk about being an aspiring writer?

>>12571508
Yes, they have. That's what I said. Your point?

>>12571511
Have I declared war on myself?

>>12571511
If in saying that, you actually meant the exact binary opposite then sure, you have a point.

>>12570832
lol thats a german youtuber called "drachenlord"

>>12571522
What are you talking about?

>>12571525
What are you talking about?

>>12571489
>What is it supposed to be underpinning?
All of human experience, all of life

>>12571534
In what way?

>>12571531
I meant that you would have a point if you said leftists have declared war on everyone who is a virgin. The other way around just sounds like a bizarre non-sequitur

>>12571548
>I meant that you would have a point if you said leftists have declared war on everyone who is a virgin.
But that is exactly what I said.

>>12571489
>I haven't said anything about myself, ergo you are projecting. This is irrefutable.
Irrelevant. You don't need to say a single thing about yourself for us to make a character judgement. By your actions alone we can see what you are and screaming p-projection! isn't going to help your case.
>Explain why you, as a leftist, think that being a virgin is a moral transgression.
Explain why you, as a retard, think that i am a leftist?
>p-projection!
See my point above.
>Did I say it isn't, retard?
Yes. I pointed out how a writer not understanding human relationships (which is obviously a plot point) is like a mathematician not understanding algebra and you pointed out that the "apt" comparison would be one to a technical point, implying that plot isn't technical. Retard.
>It does no such thing.
Based on what?
>It is. It's no different from anything else.
Says the virgin.
>Playing video games happens all the time. Drinking alcohol happens all the time. Driving a car happens all the time. Flying on a plane happens all the time. Taking care of a pet happens all the time.
Not comparable to sex. These are cultural and technological expressions of our time while sex is deeply ingrained within the species evolution. It's universal. Sex and relationships happens to all cultures, all the time. Not understanding such a basic experience of life, again, is like not understanding basic Arithmetics. You aren't fit to be a writer.

no. you dont really need much real world to be a writer anyway and if you think so you are probably a bad writer. what yiu need is talent and a good imagination writing doesnt have anything to do with being social if anything one could argue the opposite

This thread is now a "no-virgin" zone. any virgins seen posting will be prosecuted.

>>12571557
>Irrelevant. You don't need to say a single thing about yourself for us to make a character judgement.
This is just pure idiocy and makes no sense.

>By your actions alone
I have not taken any actions. We are on an internet discussion board.

>screaming p-projection! isn't going to help your case
When people project, I point out that they are projecting. If you don't like it, stop projecting.

>Explain why you, as a retard, think that i am a leftist?
Because you are one. It is leftists who have recently been pushing for a war against anyone who is a virgin or involuntarily celibate. So why do you think it's a moral transgression to be either of those things?

>Yes. I pointed out how a writer not understanding human relationships (which is obviously a plot point) is like a mathematician not understanding algebra and you pointed out that the "apt" comparison would be one to a technical point, implying that plot isn't technical. Retard.
Sex is just one of many possible plot points, retard.

>Based on what?
Why would it?

>Says the virgin.
It's just a fact.

>Not comparable to sex.
They're no different.

>You aren't fit to be a writer.
Projection.

requirements for being a great writer
A LOT of reading (thiusands of books)
talent
good at dreaming

>>12571527
He has cameras rigged all over his house and people write to him pretending to be women with like Chris Chan and whatnot. I forget all of it.

requirements for being a great writer
A LOT of reading (thousands of books)
talent
good at dreaming

>>12571596
Oh, you're mistaken. According to the expert writers on /lit/, just losing your virginity is all you need to be a great writer.

>>12571600
it's not all you need, just one of the things you need.

>>12571583
>This is just pure idiocy and makes no sense.
Since when do you need a clear confession out of someone's mouth to make a character judgement? If i see a man raping a woman, i know he's a criminal. Do i need him to tell me he's a criminal?! I surely don't need you to tell me that you're a genetically failure. Just by your posts i can infer that quite clearly.
>I have not taken any actions. We are on an internet discussion board.
Posting is an action.
>When people project, I point out that they are projecting. If you don't like it, stop projecting.
See points above.
>Because you are one. It is leftists who have recently been pushing for a war against anyone who is a virgin or involuntarily celibate. So why do you think it's a moral transgression to be either of those things?
Paranoid delusions. Refer to a psychiatrist.
>Sex is just one of many possible plot points, retard.
Not sure why you posted this. In no way it contradicts what i've said. Read your comments again, faggot.
>Why would it?
Are you having an alzheimer episode, my friend? Refer back to the previous posts in which i laid out the facts about the topic and try to engage with them. One line responses don't make you a Socratic warrior, they make you look like a low IQ retard.
>It's just a fact.
It's not.
>They're no different.
Says the virgin.
>Projection.
Character judgement.

>>12570832
pessoa allegedly died a virigin. it mentions it in the intro to his meme book

>>12571619
based.

>>12571545
You'll find out one day kid...

>>12571615
It's none of the things you need.

>>12571619
>Since when do you need a clear confession out of someone's mouth to make a character judgement? If i see a man raping a woman, i know he's a criminal. Do i need him to tell me he's a criminal?!
You can't make judgements about my life if I don't say anything about my life.

>I surely don't need you to tell me that you're a genetically failure. Just by your posts i can infer that quite clearly.
Ok, explain in detail how you have inferred from my posts that I am genetically a failure.

>Posting is an action.
Posting is by itself a completely neutral action that communicates nothing.

>See points above.
Just stop projecting.

>Paranoid delusions. Refer to a psychiatrist.
Why do you leftists always refuse to explain why you are crusading against virgins and the involuntarily celibate? I keep asking and you keep evading.

>Not sure why you posted this. In no way it contradicts what i've said.
Then what are you supposed to be saying, faggot?

>Are you having an alzheimer episode, my friend? Refer back to the previous posts in which i laid out the facts about the topic and try to engage with them. One line responses don't make you a Socratic warrior, they make you look like a low IQ retard.
So you can't explain. Guess you just have low IQ.

>It's not.
It is.

>Character judgement.
No. Just projection.

>>12571645
I'm older than you.

>>12570832
>There are """""""People"""""""" in this thread who think you can be a great writer without ever owning a home

>>12570911
When they're young, yeah. If you're over 25 and still like this then you might as well kill your sorry ass.

>>12571480
>implying monks didn't get laid
They weren't allowed to get married anon, that's not the same thing. Augustine famously had a mistress and a kid

>>12571668
Homeownership is not the essential aspect of life sex is. You may not be descended from a long line of homeowners. You 100% are descended from a long line of sexually active people.
It's funny how the angry virgins in this thread can't point to any great literature to prove their point

>>12571697
>>12571495
>>12571309

>>12571697
It's funny how the angry leftists can't explain why they've declared war against virgins and the involuntarily celibate.

>>12571708
I'm a leftist. I've declared war against the wealthy. That's what leftism is. You're referring to the American liberals and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop mistaking them for me.

>>12571719
More evasion. The left cannot ever explain this. Either because they have no idea why they're doing it--which means they're admitting to being NPCs--or because the reason is so scandalous that they can't say it.

>>12571705
Neither Borges nor Pessoa were virgins

>>12571697
yeah honestly this is 1000% true

but at the same time, many truly profoundly outstanding writers died virgins.

>>12571733
>More evasion.
I just got here, you dumb fuck.

>>12571745
I don't care. I asked you a question, the same question I've asked many leftists, and you can't answer it. Dumbfuck.

>>12571737
Were the Apostles, St. Anselm or Martin Luther virgins?

>>12571737
They still didn't write about sex, you cretinous flesh-intoxicated monkey.

>>12571739
Such as? I can only think of Emily Dickinson.

>>12571737
No one knows whether Pessoa was a virgin or not but most scholars on Pessoa state that he is. Borges wrote the majority of oeuvre while being a virgin.

>>12571750
Retard. Your question doesn't apply to me. I haven't declared war against virginity. Liberals have. I'm simply trying to explain this to you and refuse to accept it.

>>12571753
Of course not. Why would you think that?

>>12571786
It applies to you because you are a leftist who has declared war against virgins and the involuntarily celibate. And you cannot explain why you are doing so.

>>12571758
of the top of my head I was thinking of Pessoa, Lewis Carroll, Isaac Newton

>>12571756
>They still didn't write about sex
Everything is about sex kid. One day you'll see that

>>12571795
I don't give a shit about your late-night romps or lack thereof. I have declared war against money. That is leftism. Those you describe, who shame the sexually inept, are American liberals. They are not leftists. Stop attributing them to me. That's all I'm trying to say.

>>12571822
You made this post: >>12571697

You identified yourself as a leftist who has declared war on virgins and the involuntarily celibate.

Bible - Bi + Able

That which at its core is able to be bisexual.

Father, Son & the Holy ghost.

The Holy ghost in Mary and the Father a part of the Holy ghost.

Mary getting DPed by Father & the ghost.

Father & ghost indulging in their own consummation.

Bisexuality is at the core of the biblical theology...

>>12571840
>You made this post
False. Pic related. Fuck off now and stop pushing liberalism onto leftists.

>>12571851
Not false. I replied to the post with this: >>12571708

And you replied with: >>12571719

I sweat to god Im not virgil but sure I know I cant write

>>12571861
Yes it is false. I did not make that post. I am an outsider trying to explain to you that the liberals you hate for their shaming of you are not leftists.
Why do you insist on calling them leftists? I am a leftist. I don't care that you're a virgin. Why do you insist on telling me that I do?

>>12571889
You absolutely made that post, otherwise you wouldn't have made this reply: >>12571719

The left is either a bunch of NPCs screeching at virgins and the involuntarily celibate for no apparent reason, or cannot reveal their true motives because it would be too damaging.

>>12570832
Obviously not, since history is filled with great writers who were virgins. You’d have to be actually retarded to think you had to have sex to write well.

>>12570832
Chekhov would have been nothing without the poosay.

>>12570832
Yes

>>12571908
You're really fucking stupid dude. I posted proof that I didn't make the post.
You know what's funny? For every liberal making fun of conservative virgins like you, there's a liberal virgin, and a conservative making fun of him. Both sides hate you, yet you insist on blaming an outside party for your problems. You may be as retarded as is physically possible.

>>12571809
Maybe if you're a dumb demiurge worshiper

>>12571945
Attacking virgins and the involuntarily celibate is now one of the most crucial talking points of the left. This is all coming from the left. Don't even try to bullshit me. I'm onto you.

>>12571956
Wrong again. The faults of Capitalism is the crucial talking point of the left. We don't care about your sexual experience.
Note how the guy who does care never claimed to be a leftist and the guy claimed to be a leftist doesn't care. How much more evidence do you need?

>>12570832
If I'm voluntarily celibate/brahmacharya, can I still become a writer? Even writing of romances, though without sex, which I personally find dirty? Do you have to do things like have sex, and other life experiences, in order to be a writer? Can someone who vows never to be with a girl, due to his spiritual path, still create artistic works depicting romances? Or do I need the experience, to write of them accurately?

>>12571953
stay mad, sweaty

>>12571982
The left has nothing to do with opposing capitalism, it is all about being anti-white, anti-male, anti-West etc.

Our sexual experience is one of your greatest obsessions. And you are unable or unwilling to explain why.

>>12571993
I can explain why liberals are obsessed with your sexual experience, but first I need you to stop being an absolute dipshit who thinks that these liberals in question are leftists.

>>12571956
I think its a nonpartisan issue actually. However the left is certainly using it as an excuse to take over the narrative. Its just that the right wont come to the defense of the group being attacked. But we can agree its a primarily leftwing tactic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NOPQw1FXLY

man i dont get why all the people on this board judge me just because I havent had sex just leave us alone most celibates dont do anyone any harm and keep to themselves stop judging people.

>>12572011
You can't fool me, so why bother trying?

>>12572019
Why would I want to fool you? If I took issue with your sex life, I'd just say it. Give me one reason why I'd try to hide the fact?

>>12572051
Leftists are always trying to fool people.

>>12572054
Says the guy who doesn't know the difference between progressives and leftists.

>>12572080
This is coming from leftists and it's completely futile for you to try trick me into thinking otherwise.

>>12572082
What if I told you that I was citing a Fox News report that I read on /pol/?

>>12572115
Why are you still posting?

>>12570862
anyone who disagrees with this is showing their own lack of even the most average human experiances. virtually all of your favorite artists and writers banged, the fact you have not makes you worse than random people that dont read your special little books

>>12570832

if you'r writing about sx, ys.

>>12571317
/thread

>>12572338
There is no particular value in having sex and you are massively overinflating its importance so you can use it to attack virgins and the involuntarily celibate. Why does the left do this?

>>12571674
writers who probably died virgins:
>henry james
>kant
>kierkegaard
>thoreau
>lewis carol
>dante

>>12570832
No, some writers are asexual

>>12571708
Its not a leftist thing, its just people in their 20s who identify with their sexual experience.
Most people 30+ dont have a satisfying sex life.

>>12572456
It is a leftist thing. The left has been pushing hard for a war against all virgins and involuntary celibates. Leftists are degenerates who are fucking all the time.

>>12572467
What a fucking brainlet way to view the world.

>>12572484
This has nothing to do with me.

>>12570832
Only if you want to write about banal topics like sex.

>>12570832
No, you can write about not having sex as well, something those who have sex can't relate to and may be interested to read about.

>>12571708
they probably feel guilty about having sex and so resent virgins and the celibate for being pure
virgins and incels become scapegoats for the guilt stemming from their immorality
"rapists" too
yet their sexual morality is hypocritical - you have to do it and absolutely everything you do is somehow about sex
fuck people are stupid

>>12571989
when i went to france on a school trip the one thing all the kids at our host school commented on was how sloppily we americans dressed in public, like we just walked out of the house with our lounging clothes on
and they were right

>>12572467
Outside of pol, the right laughs at your pathetic existence too. Can't wait see the news report about you shooting up a school, anon.

>>12572555
Why have you declared it a moral transgression to be a virgin or to be involuntarily celibate? Nobody can answer this question.

>>12570862
>because sex really is the culmination of the whole dating and male-female relationship process
feel bad for you mate

>>12572569
It is not a moral transgression for you to be a virgin. It is because of your moral transgressions that you are a virgin.

What the fuck is it about /lit/ that you discuss autism and virginity every day?

>>12572601
You have declared it to be a moral trangression yet cannot explain why.

>It is because of your moral transgressions that you are a virgin.
I have not said or implied anything like that, so you are just making this up.

>>12572601
fucking atheist liberals inverting conservative morality
being a virgin was once viewed as good, moral, upright and pure

>>12571983
Please respond to this, friends?

>>12572612
I think a lot of people here that are either incels, volcels, virgins or asexual.

>>12572624
It's just leftist propaganda. It makes no difference whether or not you're a virgin or celibate.

>>12571983
good literature is almost never erotica
erotica is the genre of literature that deals explicitly with sex
you don't have to write erotica anon
you can write literary fiction instead
imply but leave out the sex lives of the characters
good sex scenes in fiction are few and far betwee

>>12572631
But jesus fucking christ just look at this thread. Everyone behaves like some brainlet. My favorite is the guy who literally thinks that there is some epic despacito plot on virgins by the libtards. Fucking jesus how is this possible?

>>12572613
>You have declared it to be a moral trangression
I just said, god damn verbatim, "it is not a moral transgression".
I changed my mind though. You're not a virgin because of your immorality. It's simply because you're a tard.

>>12571338
>deaf person to write well about Beethoven
Oh, anon...

>>12572653
Yeah I think that guy is b8ing. At least I hope he is.

The moral transgression dude is pretty funny.

>>12572614
>being a virgin was once viewed as good, moral, upright and pure
It still is. For women and faggots. Which one are you?

>>12572653
it's part of feminist anti-male-shaming
just another way for women to psychologically/emotionally/verbally abuse men
if you're male, everything you do is always wrong

>>12572653
The left has very vocally and very openly declared war on virgins and the involuntarily celibate. Why deny it?

>>12572663
You have declared it to be one.

>It's simply because you're a tard.
I have not said or implied anything like this. You are again making things up.

>>12572672
By pulling the bait card you are automatically admitting defeat.

>>12572674
neither, you fucking mtf transexual ladyboy
kys degenerate scum

>>12572653
>>12572663
By the way, I'm the one who sent him this message >>12572484

>>12570832
Meddl loide

>>12572695
By the way this still has nothing to do with me.

>>12572663
>You're not a virgin because of your immorality
this is the entire basis of libtard morality - lick the shit out of retarded feminazi ass in the hope of getting some
goddamn feminism

>>12570832
no

>>12572704
shut the fuck up ladyboy

>>12572720
I have not said or implied anywhere anything that would in any conceivable way suggest that I'm a ladyboy.

>>12572710
t. chinless manlet

>>12572681
Look retard. The "left" hasn't declared any war on incels. Everything that happend was that one incel dude with the truck killed few people and the incel paranoia spread around. Most people don't care that much about incels and those that do mostly just parrot talking points about ebil incels murdering women for MYSOGINITY!!1!1! for internet points. I get that it's hard for some people to find relationships, Be that because of looks or personality (and it is hard for me too) but you don't need to create a stupid paranoia around it.

>>12572690
>3 part insult, all 3 parts chicks with dicks
Tell us what's really on your mind, anon.

i dont understand why you guys dont just hire a prostitute and get it over with

>>12572681
>involuntarily celibate.
No such thing. People choose to make themselves unattractive

>>12572735
That's against incel rules

>>12572729
The left has declared such a war, but as always when the left is confronted about something they deny everything.

>>12572740
There is such a thing. If there wasn't such a thing you wouldn't have declared this war.

>>12572725
>>12572727
>>12572733
holy shit ladyboy i said shut the fuck up

>>12572735
Same reason they can't get laid. They're pussies.

>>12572748
I have not said or implied anywhere anything that would in any conceivable way suggest that I'm a ladyboy. Only one of those posts is mine.

>>12572740
>>12572727
t. whiteknight soiboi faggot cucks

>>12572740
Not necessarily. Incel standards are simply too high for their low charisma level.

>>12572644
>>12572651
okay thanks bros.

>>12572756
ok, sorry ladyboy. you're a real woman

>>12572758
t. Le Supreme chinless Gentleman

>>12572735
not everyone lives in a free country
some live in dictatorships which forbid prostitution

>>12572747
Well show me when has the left declared the war. Some antifa-boss twitter message or something? Did hillary clinton say something?

>>12572748
>thinking three different people are the same guy
How do you survive with that little brain?

>>12572768
I have not said or implied anywhere anything that would in any conceivable way suggest that I'm a woman.

>>12572776
You know the war is going on, but the left always conviniently denies everything when it suits them.

>>12572773
i guarantee you that there is prostitution in every country on the planet dictatorship or not

>>12572779
Go to hell.

>>12572772
>>12572778
>>12572779
is this the future you want?

>>12572787
I'm not going to hell, but you leftists are.

>>12572735
Because the point is not to have sex, its to be intimate enough with someone to have sex with them.

>>12572790
Yes.

>>12572790
That horrible thing isn't preventing you from getting pussy.

>>12572790
Where did I say or imply that I want such a future?

>>12572779
Put your dick in my mouth or shut the fuck up already ladyboy!

>>12572794
>intimacy
miss me with that shit

>>12572799
I have not said or implied anywhere anything that would in any conceivable way suggest that I'm a ladyboy.

>>12572795
>>12572797
>>12572798
this is what you're fighting for

>>12572790
>Being this scared of women/feminine men

>>12572807
Based.

>>12572784
Kinda wish your chanel4 persona was real but it's obvious you are baiting. It's kinda sad because incels on their forums frequently dig up some "studies" like the one by okcupid to back up their facts.
>>12572807
Honestly a world where kids are tought by goth punk transgenders doesn't sound so bad.

>>12572807
Where did I say or imply that that's what I'm fighting for?

I'm a gay incel with a fetish for straight incels. Will any of them help a brother out? I've got a big dick

>>12572805
You're gonna jizz down my throat anyway you soicucklibgenfaggotnigger

>>12572807
is this supposed to make them look bad? because desu that unironically looks absolutely based

>>12572816
I have not baited anywhere. By pulling the bait card you are automatically admitting defeat.

>>12572827
I have not said or implied anywhere anything that would in any conceivable way suggest that I'm a soicucklibgenfaggotnigger.

>>12572805
lmao

>>12572800
Whats the point of having sex without intimacy?

>>12572833
>>12572805

but you're not denying it tho

>>12572836
hardcore fucking
intimacy just gets in the way of that

>>12572807
Is that what you're into t-chaser? You seem way too fixated on it.

>>12570862
>Imagine writing a book that is going to deal with human relationships

Does anyone actually read such drivel?

>>12572836
cumming big loads

>>12570832
>who is Henry James
>who is Jane Austen
>who is John Ruskin
>who is Lewis Carroll
>who is Emily Dickinson
>who is Emily Bronte
>who is early Yeats
>who is early Eliot
>who is Houseman
>who is Hopkins
>who is Nietzche
>who is Swift
>who is Thoreau
>who is Kant
>who is Borges

>>12572844
I just clearly did.

>>12572833
>I have not baited anywhere. By pulling the bait card you are automatically admitting defeat.
C'mon you can do beter than this. Even I know some epic incel facts like that women won't date some men because they have slightly slanted eyes. You can be more entertaining. Put in some effort.

>>12570911
Based and volcelpilled

>>12572807
>Denigrating Paul Stanley
Piss off. KISS rocks!

>>12572864
You have admitted defeat.

>>12572812
>>12572816
>>12572828
>allowing your children to be raped by trannies
christ

>>12572881
Is that from your fap folder?

>>12572868
Are you really just giving up like that?

>>12572868
Look if you are an real incel post the epic incel theory or fuck off. You writing "you have admitted defeat" six times in a row isn't interesting. I came here for the lolz and the only thing I get is the borz
>>12572881
My fetish f a m

Well. I guess I still got STEM careers.

>>12570832
Definitely.

>>12572881
How is it rape if I allow it?

>>12572881
more

>>12572885
I did not say or imply anything of the sort.

>>12572887
I am writing that you have admitted defeat because that is what you did, by your own volition.

>>12572898
You miss out on banging one tranny and you just give up on the rest of them? Anon, there's plenty of women's dicks in the sea.

>dumb, smelly, diseased, sexhavers think they hold a monopoly on everything, including literature.

Begone, hedonistic vermin!

>>12572917
I never said anything about any tranny.

Incels are unironically the most oppressed group today in the western world. Nobody can refute this. However they are able to become writers, contrary to the retard baiters on here who say otherwise

>>12572887
Pretty cringe post. You're trying too hard

>>12572920
Which is why you'll never have her/him. Fucking uncells. Can't even bang a mentally ill pseudo-man.

>>12572955
I never said anything about any tranny.

>>12572885
>>12572917
>>12572955
Did you have a bad day today?

>>12572970
I think this is like the seventh time you've said tranny. Is littlechickswithbigdicksdotcom just not doing it for you anymore?

>>12572996
It isn't the seventh time, and I am simply stating the fact that I never said anything about any tranny. If you don't like it, stop making false accusations.

>>12572983
I had sex this morning, so it was a better day than your entire life.

>>12573006
>tranny
That makes eight. I'm starting to feel your pain, anon.

>>12573022
No it doesn't, and again I am using the word because of your false accusations. If you are so offended by this then stop making false accusations.

>>12573008
Why are you so angry then?

>>12573032
>the word
Anon, never be afraid to be your faggot self. You can call your desires by their name. There's no shame here. We're all here for you.

>>12573054
I never said or implied that I'm a faggot. I did not allude to any "desires."

>>12573041
Because I have testosterone. You wouldn't understand.

>>12573059
>I'm a faggot
It's okay, anon. It's not your fault.

>>12573060
Is testosterone linked to resentiment and LARPing on 4chan?

>>12573066
I did not say that. Why does the left always lie?

>>12570832
I think anyone can be considered a writer as long as they don't post on /pol/

>>12573008
>I had sex this morning
Haha

>>12573069
Imagine being so lonely that you think anyone who claims to have had sex is larping.

>>12573083
>>>/r/eddit
Is where you belong

>>12572014
Never post this narcissist douchebag again

>>12573089
Not anyone, you.

>>12573095
>only reddit opposes nazism
No, you're actually not welcome anywhere. Much like a literal piece of shit.

>>12573099
>>12573099
I didn't post him because I like him, I just wanted to show that anycels are taking it from both sides politically.

>>12573121
But I am anyone. What do you think anonymous means?

>>12571809
If you're lower animal pretending to be human, certainly. I say that with all respect for animals, who embody their own nature perfectly. But any human making comments like yours, cannot be considered a "human" in the truest sense of the term.

>>12571809
>Everything is about sex kid. One day you'll see that
>hur dur i wuz a kid now i haves sex im adhult now hur dur
fucking moron

>>12572529
This is definitely part of it, I think. They recognize virginity to be a marker of having held onto the purity one was born with, but resent their lack of it, and therefore attack those still in possession of theirs.

>>12572860
All of them were actually virgins? That's awesome. I feel more normal now for being celibate, realizing such famous people were. Not that I respect all those characters, but people like Austen and Carroll I most certainly do. I didn't realize they were virgins, but I'm glad to know it. If such famous, talented people were virgins, then nobody can shame me, a young man, for choosing to follow brahmacharya/celibacy.

>>12573200
>choosing
kek

>>12573183
yeah
kant says morality humiliates the immoral
but it's an evil world and most people are literally evil
they hate incels and virgins because incels and virgins are morally good and the people who hate them are literally evil lmao

High sentience individuals who make good writers usually have poor social skills.

>>12573249
>not fucking
>morally good
Why?
>involuntarily not fucking
>morally good
Lol

>>12573313
>why?
sex is immoral
>involuntarily not fucking
if you perceive it as that, that's also immoral

>>12573417
Please tell me you have some substance to this bait. Why is sex immoral? You've piqued my interest.

>>12573481
i'm tired af but i'll see what i can do
well to kant it's immoral outside of marriage because you reduce the sexual partner to an object. to me i'd say fucking is immoral because it's a negation of the other. sex can be morally good within marriage or a true subject-to-subject relationship (those don't exist) wherein both partners could flourish spiritually. but, since, sex now is reducing the other to a sexual object (both sexes do this now, personally i despise female objectification of men, or any objectification of men whatsoever) to use for personal, base, physical, sensual gratification - forgetting oneself for carnal pleasure, for some action - it's pretty clearly immoral. also the amount of self-conceit one requires to weave a fiction about one's sexual pursuits isn't exactly immoral in itself, but is surely unreasonable, irrational, confused, divorced from reality, and therefore stupid, if not immoral also.
so yeah -
>sex is immoral if you're reducing the other to an object, to a thing
>sex is immoral if you're negating the other

sex isn't in-and-of-itself immoral

>>12573572
Unless they're locked in your basement and only let out for sex, I don't see how you're negating them or reducing them to an object.

>>12573249
Anyone who identifies as incel isn't morally good; the key word there is involuntary. An Involuntary celebate is a detestable failure in a society where sex is as easy as it is in ours. A voluntary celebate on the other hand is someone worth idolizing; they have placed higher goals and aspirations over baser instinct.

>>12573602
you're too far gone
>>12573622
based
wow, fuck incels (but not literally, then they wouldn't be incels anymore)

Plenty of good writers werent really socialites

ITT: incels getting triggered bc some anon tells it like it is

>>12573745
how is it?

>>12573644
No. I'm smart as fuck, dubz man. Tell me how sexual desire reduces someone to an object and I'll go celibate right now.

>>12573786
sexual objectification reduces the other to a sexual object, sexual desire/the libido is ambiguous and does nothing to anything. it's almost the a priori faculty of sexuality.

Everything is immoral because humans are born into sin.

If you were aborted before birth you could have detoured all of this life shit and gone straight to heaven.

Now think about that for a second and thank your mother for being born.

>>12573246
>free will

XDDDDD

>>12573781
it's great!

>>12570832
Brudi, haha das ist doch dieser Drachenlord!
haha, da hat mir ein Freund letztens erst auf Facebook ein Video geschickt hahaha
der ist ja so dumm haha
und fett!

>>12573249
Same anon you responded to. That's interesting from Kant, and I agree with it completely. The guilty feel guiltier in sight of the guiltless, and, rather than following their example, most seek to tear down the object which serves as a mirror to their sins. You find it in "slut-shaming" among women, for example, wherein those women who have retained their virginity up to a certain point are made victims of psychological assault (i.e not being their friend, spreading bad statements about them, etc) from other women who have already lost theirs, out of jealousy, and where the latter faction also shames those who DO have sex, when the volume is more than their own, to feel better about their own status as a sexual creature. All of this evil, merely born from the inward cope of insecure girls. I say this as someone who loves women, and hates to see the evils they do to eachother. It's honestly scary to imagine how grotesque people can become, from something so delicate as "insecurity". Haven't read Kant, but I agree completely with his assertion. And you can see quite the cope in this thread here.

>>12573246
I am literally Brahmacharya dude, that's the Sanskrit term for "celibate". I have never once attempted to have sex with a girl, and if I stay true to my path, I never will.

>>12574109
Brahmacharya is based beyond a shadow of a doubt if done after having experienced sex. For you it's a cope and your path leads nowhere.

I can't believe TMSfag posted here.

no, but it's gonna take an honesty about your situation your insecure question betrays you don't have the strength for

the best incel writers are the ones who never even considered that they should be concerned about it (Kant)

>>12574098
kant has some interesting stuff to say, i almost want to reread critique of practical reason. i'm definitely speaking from experience too as a degenerate fucker who once hated virgins and sought to tear down the mirror of my sins and drag them down into sin... damn... insight into myself...
i almost think that rape accusations are just male slut-shaming - or rather slut guilting.
insecurity is born of negativity imo, negativity creates neuroses and can fester into evil. negativity, jealousy, hate, the desire for revenge. women create incels. incels are women. women want to emasculate everyone out of their resentment of men. gender equality seems like a good thing if it'd put a stop to that. but it doesn't. damn i'm overtired sorry
it's interesting to consider the humiliation endured in masochism with regard to kant's statement. thus freud's term "moral masochism" lol

>>12574123
You know nothing about me, or of Brahmacharya itself, which does not permit one to have sex even once, in the truest sense of the term. You responded quite rudely to a person who merely stated a self-pursuit of theirs, and I imagine that, as many others here have mentioned, you deep within yourself feel a bit intimidated by the notion of another person willfully refraining from sexual activity, being something you could never do yourself. Maybe I've mischaracterized you, but you've definitely mischaracterized me; and while I have not shown rudeness to you, you've certainly dealt some to me.

>>12574199
What a great post you've written here. I appreciate your honesty and inward examination greatly, it makes you a far more noble individual than most who cannot stand to stare at themselves with all their sins attached. Don't call yourself degenerate my friend, you should not be so degrading to yourself. What actions of your past cause you to call yourself such? I'm just curious. But you've said many interesting things here. Above all I enjoy the sincerity I see in it, it feels like you've allowed me into the depths of your soul. R*pe accusations are a male slut-shaming, that's interesting. What exactly do you mean by that? That the male, who doesn't sleep with them, brings them to feel insecure about their own desire for him to have, and thereby direct a false accusation towards him? Anyways, as a person who has unironically been victimized before as a result of following a purer path in life, by others who presumably felt insecure like we have discussed here, I think you're a very noble person for acknowledging whatever your faults are, something most people genuinely can't do. It's like meat-eaters who fly into a rage of rationaling, when presented with the simple statement that their own lifestyle is less ethical than one of vegetarianism or veganism. If you desire to become celibate, you can do so my friend. Or to simply abstain from sexual practise as much as you can, having sex only infrequently and in situations of meaningful character. You can ascend to the heights you presently degrade yourself for not being part of, if you put in the genuine effort to.

Are you the same anon who I spoke to, who spoke about how he used to pursue casual sex, but Womanloveranon made him reorient himself towards more wholesome relationships with them?

Anyways, take care my friend. I've really enjoyed our little discussion here - you've informed me of a lot of things which hadn't been known by me explicitly, only inchoately.

>>12570858
>but an experience of X is very important
I dispute this notion. There is always room for a narrative written from a position of ignorance. Analysis of the ignorance can itself be the revelation that the writer was not able to directly render in his work. I freely admit that this result is not a likely one, but it does happen.

>>12570832
not a requirement but it helps. sex is a huge part of the human experience that we try to put onto paper.

bump

>>12570832
Only if you want to write about all the stds you got from toasted roasts.

>>12574199
Anon, please respond to me if you can.

>>12574534

>>12570832
books about love and other normal fag shit is common and boring

books about incels are original and can be thought-provoking.

>>12574098
>loving anything purely because of their gender

Cope harder, white knight.

>>12576322
I was contrasting myself from the many misogynists who live here, and bring up the evils women enact on eachother as a means of displaying how inherently unpleasant they are. I was merely stating that I am not one of those people, despite bringing up the darker aspects of female nature.

>>12576347
>I-I was just pretending to be a white knight

Wasn't Kafka a virgin incel? Thoreau certainly was. Henry James probably was, too.

>>12576677
kafka masturbated and fucked prostitutes, had a couple of girlfriends, got engaged once, and had a son who died

>>12570858
explaine to the folks at home what love is