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My own flavour of kantianism.

Nietzsche, but replace slave morality with Sartre's Bad Faith and master morality with Stirner.

>>12554854
Plato's. Every man is Just by esscence, not because is beneficial in appearance.

mine

>>12554935
Nietzsche but replace anon and his slave lineage with /lit/posters in general and master morality with me

>>12555355
I'm getting annoyed at this meme I have created. It's not that good.

>>12555375
i created the meme

>>12555382
I should probaly stop replying to myself, it can't be good for my mental health.

You know

>>12554854
Two-level utilitarianism (with bias towards general rule mode).

>>12554854
Virtue Ethics.

>>12555434
literally this.

>>12555662
I see a man of good taste.

Spinoza's

Derrida. Being a post-modernist is so 2019. Gosh anons why do you only look to old white men for moral guidance?

Unironically Wittgenstein’s

>>12554854
How do I become half as smart as Aristotle

>>12554870
>tfw the entire 2nd critique is built on circular logic
Kant was a based lad, but he fell flat on his face with that one

Nichomachean Ethics

>>12554854
God's.

>>12556095
>Lol you can’t have an Ethics it’s all just misunderstandingz!!!

Analytic philosophy

>>12556764
Imagine thinking this is what Wittgenstein actually would have said about ethics

I get that post-ironically acting like a pretentious continental is hip with the kids these days on lit but still

>>12554854
You posted him.

Mencius

>>12554854
None, they're all spooks. Even sexuality is a spook. That's why I'm asexual.

>>12556764
cringe

>>12555662
>Virtue Ethics
This.

https://www.iep.utm.edu/virtue/
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ethics-virtue/

>>12555662
This

>>12555662
>system developed by an ancient slavery defender and pederast

ok

>>12557000
He has a speech on ethics where this is basically what he says. I’m willing to try another Analytic work (the guy talking about time in Analytic philosophy the other day made it sound really interesting) but am pretty unimpressed so far.

>>12557525
Yeah he thought we couldn't say anything of value about ethics, but I think the part people misunderstand is the fact that he did not relish this fact like the logical positivist and members of the Vienna Circle of his day did.
Or in other words what was said in the original post was correct, but it would be inaccurate to add exclamation marks indicating that Wittgenstein was enthusiastic about such a conclusion. And more importantly, it is why Wittgenstein was never happy and smug with his conclusion is what ultimately proved to be the most important and interesting part of this philosophy

Herbert Spencer

>>12557582
Ah it’s good, some philosophers are better at metaphysics than they are at ethics, and he was single-handedly moving English philosophy away from math language.

Did any of his students make a decent ethics?

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>>12555837
Alright gents, which virtue ethics?

Thomism.

>>12554854

Mainlander's.

>>12557948
Historically mediating between different tables of virtues, creatively establishing my own dynamic table, while still in accordance with natural law within my own moral community (categorically forbidding assault, murder, lying and swindling, with regards to those I consider friends.)

>>12557853
Anscombe has interesting ethical thoughts. MacIntyre was influenced by her, and thus indirectly influenced by Wittgenstein, but I don't know enough about him to say whether this influence was important beyond making MacIntyre generally interested in the linguistic dimension of morality.

>No Hume
Hume

>>12559226
Explain the difference between a cool passion which appears to us as a reasoned judgment and an actual reasoned judgment. I've never understood that part of the treatise

>>12559244
Sorry if I'm not using the right terminology here, I can't remember exactly how Hume describes the different kinds of passions

Also meant to say "could you explain...", my post comes off as too curt

>>12556104
you can't

>>12559244
From what i understand, its not possible for people to make truly reasoned judgements, or at least differentiate them from illogical ones. Basically we think backwards, drawing conclusions and then reasoning our way to them
>>12559249
Kek. Your post was fine

>>12559215
Anscombe is a good find. I’d love to read some of her stuff. Analytic philosophy and Thomism would be a hell of a combo

>>12555390
kys pls thnx

>>12555860
Clearly.

>>12559264
Holy shit...

>>12559264
This is so dumb. Aristotle was a student of Plato, and there were centuries of pre-Socratic logical thought

>>12559264
That pic is 90+% fluff and is very misleading since it doesn't explain the immense influence of Plato and the pre-socratics and other contemporaries on Aristotle. I hope you don't take it seriously.

>>12559611
Anscombe is great but Alaisdair MacIntyre is the real find if you haven't read him already. Especially if the idea of mixing Thomism and analytic philosophy is appealling to you

>>12554854
Anything that owns the Libs. Fuck them, they ruined America

>>12561139
So Hitler it is?

>>12561139
based boomer

>>12557948
Actual Stoicism and not $toicism.

consequentialism, the only ethical system that makes sense

>>12559264

This is shit. Ancient Greeks weren't redditors.

>>12555375
what do you expect to happen when you say this?
>oh my god you created that meme anon?!?! youre so funny xDDDDDDDDDD

>>12559264
What a dumb fucking post. Did the man miss the literal centuries of science, philosophy, and mathematics that had been going on before Aristotle strolled into the picture?

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>>12561752
it's a joke

>>12554854
Epicurus probably. A happy life is the best way for all to live because when we're all in pursuit of fulfillment (real world meaningful fulfillment) then it emanates throughout. Denying pleasure is pointless unless that pleasure causes harm to others (usually sexual, or excess for yourself).

Being chill and having a good life and some good friends is objectively the best. But, you need some greatness as well imo

Spinoza's

the one that says to do good stuff and not do bad stuff

>>12558126
you all right, anon?

>>12561514
Agreed. One of my friends/convertees bought a few of the modern books (like Massimo Pigliucci’s “The ancients we’re actually cucks yo!!”). It’s clear they’re just pop self-help translated into a different vocabulary for millennials.

>>12560713
Sounds good. Is After Virtue a good place to start?

>>12560713
>the idea of mixing Thomism and analytic philosophy

>>12562404
Pigliucci in particular is actually OK though. It's clear he has his own bend on things, but he is competent enough to write the IEP Stoicism entry.

>>12562448
He clearly knows the stuff, but his presentation is ridiculous sometimes. For people too scared to jump into the Long and Sedley, I don’t mind Robertson’s stuff.

>>12562408
Definitely man. After Virtue is one of the all time greats for me, really changed the way I conceive of the task of the philosopher. MacIntyre has a very distinctive way of doing philosophy, with a keen eye for historical and sociological context.

>>12562424
Lol, but continental philosophy is dying. Obviously there are some great thinkers in that tradition, but it was always doomed to fail because it took such pride in its esotericity, leading to the average continental influence philosopher being a mere parrot with no real understanding of the concepts they were using. While analytic philosophy has its obvious problems, it became more moderate over time, giving it an obvious upper hand over the ever more insular continental works produced after the first wave of post structuealists stopped producing important work.

As for hating Thomism, I don't know what to tell you, apart from start with the Greeks

>>12554854
Hippolochus remained and fathered me, and from him I claim descent. He sent me here to Troy and charged me earnestly to be the best and bravest, and not bring shame on my ancestors the best men in Ephyre and all broad Lycia. Such is my lineage, from that blood am I sprung.’ homers iliad

its like if wolf larsen had a soul.

>>12562663
You, of course, have a bullet proof understanding of continental philosophy's every facet. To such an extent that you can glibly and easily dismiss Kant in favor of Aquinas, too. Very impressive.

>>12554854
Thomistic ethics

>>12557525
You really shouldn't be reading wittgenstein to get a picture of analytic philosophy... He's a whole different thing altogether. I mean if you want to read some good analytic moral theory then read Reasons and Persons or On What Matters by Derek Parfit. Don't read fucking Witty. He didn't care about ethics at all.

>>12562870
>He didn't care about ethics at all

There is a difference between not caring about ethics and not thinking we could honestly say anything meaningful or valuable about ethics

see >>12557582

>>12562663
retard
furthermore, cuck

>>12562844
>glibly dismiss kant in favor of aquinas
Kek gotta love when conties imply that disagreeing with their role models means you think too much of yourself

>>12562911
If he actually cared about ethics he would have realized we can talk about it just fine

>>12557185
How can one man get so based
Me 2

>>12562930
Disagreeing with a misguided genius in favor of a liar at best and an idiot at worst, and being proud of this fact, yes, I would say that is an inflation

>>12562938
Its possible to care about something with out doing it, just like how its possible to do something without caring about it, as is the case with me with your mother

>>12563555
Kek

Who here /feminist care ethics/?

>>12563803
forgot that happened, thanks for ruining my week

>>12562938
Have you read any Russell? Witty didn’t have much to work with. The fact that he managed to read the first page of the Confessions and knows enough Plato to argue with him in the Philosophical Investigations puts him lightyears ahead of his peers.

>>12554854

Become passers-by.

>>12562844
Bruh I said literally nothing about Kant, who I respect immensely.

I'm making a stylistic point that the average continental philosopher (as in academics influenced by phenomologists, structuralists and post-structuralists, as well as psychoanalysis and marxism to various degrees) simply do not have the same understanding of the concepts they use as the thinkers from whom they took those concepts. Just look at the way that the average thinker in your field manipulates concepts from Marx, Freud, Deleuze, and Lacan, as if those thinkers had some kind of base level common understanding that allowed all their ideas to somehow fit together. This is a direct result of the obscuritantism of these thinkers and how poorly they defined their positions, leading to a lax attitude amongst their interpreters as to how their concepts should be manipulated.

The average continetally influenced work now consists of a soup of diverse ideas, none of which actually fit together, simply deployed rhetorically with little reference to their original meaning. The fact that it's so easy to slip under the rader with no understanding of your own field shows that continental philosophy could never make it as a popular philosophical practice.

And now that Analytics are becoming less dogmatic while still sticking to their rhetorical minimalism (thus exposing where thinkers do not understand the concepts they use more readily) continental philosophy is basically doomed man.

>>12562448
I'm not a fan of Pigliucci. His philosophy is not really Stoicism, but American Liberalism mixed with CBT.
In Stoicism, pleasure is neither good or bad. For the "modern Stoics", it is a good. For the "modern Stoics", virtue is whatever modern liberals consider to be good.

>>12554854
Virtue ethics of course: it is internally the most consistent, externally the most comprehensive, and the least affected by contrived examples such as the trolley problem. All other positions are only rigid, tunnel vision corruptions of virtue ethics.
>Virtue maximizes happiness because true happiness is reached through virtue
>Virtue is exactly that which can be willed as a universal law without contradicting itself, because it is the natural inclination toward unity

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>>12555662
The correct choice. The only ethical system supported by modern science.

>>12555662
Based and redpilled

I met Aristotle in a dream.