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How ironic

>If Gods real how come I can't see him?

>>12554277
It's true. Compatibilism is a condition that affects thousands of people all over the world, and we need to approach them with frankness and honesty.

There’s simply no polite way to tell people ur so much smarter than them

If theres no god why dont we just kill this faggot lmao?

>>12554277
Does anyone else simply refuse to read books written by bald men? lmao

>>12554615
Because you're a pussy

>>12554623
doesnt matter according to this guy

>>12554277
The struggle is real

I thought this was intense until I read the filename. This quote should be acknowledged as something else. Aspirations and illusions are not the same thing.

*ehem*
You cannot redire Him

>>12554643

>>12554277
Yet, he's dead now. How ironic.

>>12554635
Is Yahweh making you a pussy or what the fuck are you implying

>>12555571
Bro.....
poosay you GET it or you ARE it. (No one steal this im posting it to showerthoughts right after this blunt)

>>12554277
I hate this line of thought, I mean shit you old faggot bastard, don't every single human being dedicate themselves to illusions? No, go ahead, tell me what part of human endeavor is not an illusion you cum guzzling harlot, tell me what part of your life was not dedicated to illusions.
Eat dirt, you fucking chicken shit intellectual.

>>12555595
He’s an atheist. They operate out of pride. It’s really as simple as that.

>>12554548
more like everything we know about the universe points to it operating automatically.

>>12555695
>if God’s real why cant i see him?

>>12555695
>automatically
what do you even mean by this?
deterministically? independentally? what?

>>12554277
https://youtu.be/2tIwYNioDL8

>>12554548
>I demand to see that which will kill me
Ok then...

>>12554277
>new atheists
The only group that manages to be dumber than modern Evangelicals. Bravo

>>12555718
wtf did I just watch?&

>>12554277
>Aspirations and illusions are not the same thing.
Then what the fuck is an Illusionist?

>>12554832
>proving my point

>>12555601
I operate out of love, anon.

>>12555716
He probably meant mechanistically. What a psued

>>12554548
>If xrays are real then why can’t I see them?

Everything is an illusion, one decides to dedicate the time you want.
We are responsible for our destiny, we know very well within our beings that destiny is written.

>>12556550
>you can’t know nuthin you can’t know nuthin!!!

>>12555601

I don't get the connection between atheist and pride.

>>12556584
One way I can think of that they would determine that is that it has to do with thinking you are better than God by not following His word.

>>12554277
Atheist preacher, the self awareness of an insectoid: can one refute a dung heap?

>>12556656

That would be in the case that you believed in God.
Here we do not touch the issue of the existence of a God. Simply that one can consider his destiny and know that all of us are building it day by day.

2/10 bait

>>12554277
That quote lives independently with daniel dennett.

>>12556690
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_5:44
>Jesus has just stated that some had taught that one should "hate your enemies" and in this verse he rejects this view.
>But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Yes, dung heap.

>>12556713
My belief has nothing to do with it, I'm using the Christian perspective/belief. I spoke with one two days ago that used that line of reasoning. Whether the person with the pride believes in God doesn't matter, any act where you don't humble yourself in front of God, whether aware of it or not, will be considered prideful by some Christians.

Politeness is an illusion.

>>12556584
It's more that people who live off of smug pride are naturally attracted to atheism. It's an extremely simple philosophy. It only requires skepticism of institutions. If you want to illogically leap from apathy about everything to suddenly feeling superior, just act skeptical of everything and adopt super vague principles. That's why these people are also always neoliberal leftists. It's easy to adopt

>>12555695
Your smartphone operates automatically, yet it was created by a man

>>12554277
If you're a such a miserable cock mongrel that social conventions stop you from shattering someone's illusions you're an illusion

>>12554277
the guy is a self admitted p zombie. why take anything he says seriously?

>>12557697
Oh look, a meme making fun of Descartes
But that isn't Descartes in the picture.

>>12557697
Do you really think someone who has worked for over two decades on a philosophic project didn't think of such a simple quip?

Eliminativism is not undermined by such claims as "illusion is a state of consciousness" (whatever it is that actually means) since they are not denying that consciousness doesn't exist IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER. Only that it is not Objectively existent.

The ground of consciousness is undoubtedly Illusion. Consciousness does not exist.

>>12556105
The best thing ever.

>>12557744
I meant
>Consciousness does not exist beyond that.

>>12557744
>the ground is an illusion
>but don't worry, the sensation of standing is still real
>teehee

>>12556584
They associate everything they say with the certainty of science.

>>12557806
>the certainty of science
but science is the pursuit of facts

>>12554643
I hate you

>>12556169
1. You definitely operate out of pride. Everything you post strokes your ego.
2. There is no struggle. If you really believe in letting people live their lives then you have absolutely no struggle regarding the faith of others.
3. You have made a god out of a strange hybrid of the self/society/history/the state. Odds are you'll deny this with half arguments and that's fine. Basically all I want to say is that you're self righteous and full of shit.

>>12556584
Gayness

>>12556581
>>12557740
>>12557826
See? A smug and condescending sense of superiority that is typical amongst marxists. There is no right side of history. There is no glorious future. There is no utopian dream. You can dance around it all you want but you just keep making a new god out of mortal things and doing so while denying an immortal god doesn't make you any better than religious zealots. It makes you a religious zealot.

refuted

>>12557895
>an illusion is an appearance that is contrary to reality

stopped reading

>>12557895
>>12557697
>consciousness is necessary to observe reality
If I program a robot to say "I am conscious" every 5 minutes, did I create real consciousness?

>>12557940
let's hear your definition then eh

>>12557845
I actually have a gloomy prospect for the future.
The universe is an eternal and infinite no-so-void. And I think it's likely an immense fireworks display. No god, no eternal soul, no after life nor before. That's not a "new god"

>>12558003
What is your take on pic related?

>>12557997
Not that guy, but I would define illusion as an abberation in representation borne out of the imperfections of transmission. Simplest example is colorblind people. The see the world of illusory colors (or lack thereof, I don't really fucking know how colorblindness works), yet they have the chance to be aware of this imperfection due to the vast majority of humans not having it. If consciousness is illusory for all people, we'd have no chance to reconcile with it because only a few intellectuals out of billions of people could reason their way into realising it.

>>12558035
>an abberation in representation borne out of the imperfections of transmission
how is this substantially different than
>an illusion is an appearance that is contrary to reality
you've just included a cause of the contrary appearance as part of the definition, making it less valuable, as it is now contestable in a way the more abstract definition was not.

>>12557826
1. I know some things. But I ask questions too.
2. True enough, but I care enough to challenge their minds. I was once in their place.
3. There is no replacement god in my mind. I think the universe was created, I know their is no eternal soul and therefore a before or after life. There no hybrid god here.

>>12558022
Le Guin described it in The Dispossessed as a joke. Well, isn't it?

>>12557997
an illusion is a commonly believed misperception

>>12557744
Yes, he could easily be wrong. Doesn't matter if he spent 20+ years on this project. Hippocrates and his followers were wrong about the four humours for over 2 millennia. Listen to Chalmers and research neurophenomology.

>>12558082
that is an auxiliary definition, yes, but very obviously not the one needed for the discussion

>>12556524
We use instruments, like the brain you seem to lack :^)

>>12558080
*I DON'T think the universe was created

>>12558080
Why would it be a joke? It is useful to consider the question of change in an eternal universe.

>>12554277
Science can't say that God doesn't exist but only that there's no way of testing whether or not he exists, nor is there any consistent definition of God that could be used in a working hypothesis. It's a vague, unscientific question that he's trying to treat in a scientific way, because ultimately he's just as much of a pseudo-scientist as any religious person.

>>12558136
Not good in mathematics. I've only ever heard of it in The History of Philosophy podcasts and Le Guin's

>>12557744
Eliminativism is just silly m8.

>>12554277
Of course there is a polite way. Engage them in a debate and try to interrogate why they seem attached to what you consider an illusion. You might both learn something.

>>12558003
>That's not a "new god"
>>12558080
>There no hybrid god here.
A green synthetic cock could be someone's god, many people do that today.

Some people even worship actual tools, like hammers and sickles, in the 21st century.
Post atomic age, people still thinking inert instruments are sacred cows and must not be slandered, despite believing themselves atheists.

A lot of nihilistic materialists worship their own assholes. Maybe you got some of the "I AM GOD" bug from 3rd wave feminism on the internet, idk.

>>12557981
Who is it hearing the robot?