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12556214 No.12556214 [Reply] [Original]

>Picked up an apparently well regarded book on US history that opened with a quote from Henry James about how culturally barren and hollow the United States is
>Author proceeds to confidently follow this by talking about how the pretentious french literati don't see what america does have, and that's guts!

why are burgers so fucking horrendous?

>> No.12556247
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>>12556214
A. Most of our culture is local, hence why different states and regions have different accents and ways of life. You can't clump america in one category as we have more than a hundred cultures. An example i could use would be our horror for example. In the north we have sleepy hollow but the south has voodoo.
B. Our past, without any sugar coating, is very racist. We have prided ourselves on the concept of freedom while denying it to people for centuries. It's hard to take pride in the myth of the wild west when it comes with the baggage of genocide. You can't really be happy with the "picket fence" idea of america when segregation and the cold war loomed over those times.

>> No.12556296

>>12556214
All I have to say to you is “Manginot Line” faggot.

>>12556247
This is a pretty good analysis but you sound a bit childish In explaining that we can somehow dismiss American ideals simply because the country hasn’t lived up to every iota of its higher and theoretical ideals. There isn’t a nation state that exists that has ever done this. Considering that America is indeed the most racially diverse place that has ever existed on planet earth I’ll pass on your half baked ideas.

>> No.12556309

>>12556296
I'm not saying we can dismiss the ideas of america, but to simply acknowledge that there is hypocrisy in them is disturbing. The main point though is that we have a variety of culture as stated in point A.

>> No.12556317

>>12556214
That picture makes me hard as rocks /b/ros... what (should I) do?

>> No.12556332

>>12556309
In that case I can agree with you. I don’t want to leave you with the idea that Americans don’t know or care about such hypocrisy but you need to realize that there isn’t a single day that goes by where our media and entertainment industry doesnt beat us over the head with these facts. Even people you meet at parties can’t stop talking about it which is for me cliche at this point. America is far from perfect but this subject specifically is admittedly sore.

>> No.12556335

>>12556214
>jezebel posting

pls anon

>> No.12556380

>>12556332
Right, my sentiments precisely, while looking towards the past, the morally ambiguous and the morally reprehensible seem now, to us, clear-cut, though, this led to the enormous variety of DNA in the modern US. Now, one would be borderline psychotic to defend or commend the actions taken while on western front of expansion, but one would also be idoitic to dismiss them altogether as they've led to the unchangeable "NOW"... we can learn from it, use it to govern our current choices.

Also, PSA: stop tearing down historical artifacts of the confederates, we wouldn't want to forget where we came from would we?

>> No.12556392

>>12556296
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>> No.12556395
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>>12556380
whoa, don't pretend to me anon. especially when you have loaded statements like that PSA.
>>12556332
Anyway, the simple fact is that while we can't throw the baby out with the bath water, the bath water has to go.

>> No.12556420

>>12556317
run

>> No.12556437

>>12556247
cope

>> No.12556520

>>12556395
Evolution has a funny way of sorting itself out.

And that's all I've gotta say about that.

>> No.12556627

>>12556214
>pretentious french literati
Like that guy who bragged how gay sex was so liberating and got pozzed on purpose in SF? then he died?

>> No.12556699

Why are you people always contemplating us. It's kind of pathetic having an ancient little brother always obsessing over you.

>> No.12556714

>beautiful bare ass thread deleted
>hairy boobs still up
Mean.

>> No.12556910

>>12556392
Escargot is delicious
I don't understand how people can be disgusted by snails but also love oysters and mussels and clams, all taste the same and all are pretty much the same level of grossness
French food is overall really fucking good and not a meme, you could easily get a much better meal for 15€ in Paris than $90 in NYC

>> No.12556931

>>12556910
It's true, I've tried it, I was just memeing

>> No.12556941

>>12556627
now that's fucking based

>> No.12556952

>>12556214
As a burger, I like to think that our success with global, cultural hegemony, or at least our perception of it, all stems from opportunity and thievery. We took European enlightenment philosophy to validate our revolution, even though we were a British colony, very few colonists contributed to philosophy. Then we entered both world wars toward the end, where europe was exhausted in a way that we weren't, so we were able to exploit.

American philosophy is mostly analytic or trash, for instance Graham Harman's Object Oriented Ontology or Ayn Rand.

We are all about being the big swinging dick, mostly southerners are at least.

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>>12556952
You know, for an american you sound very un-american.

>> No.12556995

>>12556971
No I think opportunism is fucking great, we played the game properly, but I think we're on the decline culturally and need more intellectuals, or some movement non-partisan and not based on youtube celebrities.

>> No.12557062

>>12556952
>American philosophy is mostly analytic or trash, for instance Graham Harman's Object Oriented Ontology or Ayn Rand
Burger here, and I agree. Utilitarianism is also a dumpster fire ideology.

>> No.12557461

>>12556214
Holy fuck that fucking pic

>> No.12557916

>>12556952
Irrelevant seeing as Britain and co only degenerated afterwards while those burgers became the actual footsoldiers of the enlightenment philosophers' accomplishments. You gaining are fighting a losing battle trying to find anything of worth whatsoever in Europe intellectually.

>> No.12559027

>>12556910

For 15€ you could cook a better meal

>> No.12559038
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>>12556214
>Doesn't understand Americanism is self-deprecating and elitist at the same time.

Why live?