/lit/ - Literature

sanderfag a hack

Second for Throne of Glass.

New Stuff WHEN?

First civilised post for Masters of Rome

What is /sffg/'s opinion on Erikson's Malazan books? I just picked up Gardens of the Moon and I seem to be digging the concepts of divine intrigue and tricksters meddling into mortal affairs. Am I in for more of the same or am I massively misunderstanding the first couple of chapters?

>>12518980
Haven't read them, but they're shit.

>>12518983
>I haven't read something, but here is my opinion
>/lit/

Ok, listen up you faggot LARPers.

I want huge ass space battles. I want honor, bravery and duty. I want pride, betrayal and fanatism. I want assault ships on fire near the Tannhauser gate. I want manly captains going down with their ship.

You have five minutes so serve me up a good book. Go.

P.S. No gay anime shit.

>>12519087
Undying Mercenaries.

>>12518872
>written by a woman
Bet that shit is as accurate as Mary Beard

Hey /sffg/. I wanna get back into reading sci-fi. I have this pretty common trope I like, where a story is set in the fairly distant future, and their past (but our future) is forgotten. So it's usually post apocalyptic, but no one really has the full story as to what happened, and there is a bunch of tech lying around nobody knows how to use. Perhaps through the story you get fed tidbits of information about the mystery.

Books I read as a kid that had this kind of thing going on were the Mortal Engines series and Canticle for Leibowitz. Wondering if you have any recs for me.

>>12518980
Malazan is huge and complicated all throughout. Tricksters meddling into mortal affairs and stuff similar to that is a large part of Malazan. There's a lot of it.
Malazan can be very confusing though, but as long as you pay attention and continue reading everything will become clearer.
There's also other series in the Malazan universe, but finish the 10 main books in order before starting anything else.
Gardens of the Moon is commonly looked upon as being one of the weaker entries if not the weakest, however the very next one, Deadhouse Gates, is a tremendous improvement.

>>12519259
book of the new sun
tales of the dying earth
although, those might not be what you're looking for considering those are in the very distant future, but you'll probably enjoy them regardless

Favorite magic/mythic sword/weapon?
Mine is Stormbringer

>>12519221
Honorary man

Absolute dead thread

>>12519087
stop being a gay dork and read Master and Commander instead

Seems to be a lot better than I thought it would be and the second setting which appears to be the major one is giving me a definite Code Geass setup vibe so I don't think all of these characters will be living for too long. This one seems to be targetting pretty much your usual fantasy audience, your Brent Weeks fans, your Sanderson fans etc standard plot > prose affair but the writing definitely has more meat on its bones than something like Sanderson which is nice.

should i read fostering faust

>>12520011
>should i read fostering faust
No.

>>12520011
Read what you enjoy reading

Does it matter if a story doesn't have a message, because I'm not sure mine does

>>12520092
of course not

>>12518850
Damn,the new Phantasy Star game looking good!

>Sweating silver droplets was a constant irritation in the spring. It was possible to accidentally create an evil duplicate, to transform one’s hands into flowers, to be hexed with hallucinations, or to be turned into an apple—an incredibly grave insult to one’s honor.
>or to be turned into an apple—an incredibly grave insult to one’s honor.
May the anon who shilled this book have a blessed day

>>12519087
The Sten Chronicles
>>12519259
Feersum Endjinn by Ian Banks
City by Clifford Simak

>>12519259
The only one I remember other than Canticle is the Coldfire Trilogy but it's much more of a plot point in Canticle than it is in Coldfire.

>>12518577
>>what unmentioned works are you reading
>>how is it so far
It's not unmentioned, but not commonly discussed: the once and future King. Wrapping up the ill made Knight. White's writing and anachronisms charmed the pants off me in book one and two, then he hit me where it hurts watching it all waste away with the decline in book three. Both looking forward to and dreading Arthur questioning what is was all for in the last book.

Making my way through Guy Gavriel Kay's works and really enjoying them. Anyone know of anything similar?

just finished it. first half was boring but then it got really good.

>>12519294
Clang

>>12521078
I know that feeling, it was my second Dick and it felt underwhelming until that payoff right at the end made it all worth it.

>He was a senior editor on the staff of the journal Plant Engineering for many years[8] before retiring to write full-time, but his most famous professional engineering achievement is a contribution to the machine used to make Pringles potato chips.[9]
Gene Wolfe invented Pringles kek

Are Pringles the official snack food of /sffg/ now?

>>12521275
wew

>>12521200
>it was my second Dick
lol

>>12519294
The Dragonslayer from Berserk and Terminus Est from TBotNS are two of my favorites.

Alright guise, hopefully I’ll be home and ready for discussion and nominations when next thread drops.

>>12520800
Yeah for most of Coldfire it's more of a background thing up until the third book, because the way "magic" works means that if say, people don't believe a car works it'll likely explode, or their fear of werewolves will cause werewolves to exist.

Still a really good series and worth reading. I'm tempted to do a reread of it actually, since it's been about a decade since I read it.

Also anybody got suggestions for translated Japanese novels that are well written? LNs are okay too but no "anime trope bullshit" stuff, I'm looking for "big boy stories" not isekai moronics.

I believe BRANDON SANDERSON has a foot fetish. My reason for believing this is because I have a foot fetish so I pick up on things most humans do not. Take for instance the ever shitty House of Cards. Now, I do not like this show (House of Cards) but I did sit through 4 seasons of that crap hoping it would get better, and in that time I noticed numerous examples of blatant foot fan service. It is a good fetish to pander to because it occupies a gray area due to the lack of nudity, which is why its perfect for a guy like BRANDON SANDERSON. Reading Mistborn, I can't help but notice how many times we are reminded of Vin's cute bare footedness. She's barefoot on the roof, toes clutching the edge. She's barefoot on cobblestone, only to walk on marble. Vin walked to his bed BAREFOOT, making no sound. Of course the obvious explanation (for the mundane majority of men) is that Vin is a Mistborn -- a thief -- and strives to remain quiet. She has to make lots of sacrifices due to the magneto magic of BRANDON SANDERSON'S world, such as never wearing toe rings or anklets (unless they are wooden or something) but I do not believe this is the sole reason for the foot prose on display in these books. The author (BRANDON SANDERSON) has fueled my spirit with his depiction of Vin. I have a hard time getting through the pages when I keep seeing examples of her beautiful foot-based dexterity, yet its these very passages that push me further on. I see visions of Vin toying with Elend, giving her man a royal footjob that any king would crave with her expertly trained toes. I think about Vin embarrassed, painting her toe nails to match her dress while Zane watches from the window. I think about her wearing glass slippers to show off her new feminine toes at the balls! Oh what a sight to behold! I am not even on the third book so I can't begin to imagine how much footy goodness is still to come. Anyway, these are my reasons for suspecting BRANDON SANDERSON has a foot fetish.

>>12518577
This is probably not the place to ask but whats the deal in litRPGs when a character gets unique quests,etc point of mmos is that everyone gets same shit but in the lit versions there is usually 0 balance with some fag getting super gear in the first zone. Its usually written by some DnD fanatic so its not like they can't know about the issue.

>>12518850
I don't what to research deep meta lore. whats the deal with all the cross-promotion?

>The Kingdom of Copper
I think this author either has godly planning skills or is really inspired at setting up plots because I shall definitely remember this book as having one of the best sequence of plot twists at the end in living memory and the anon who kept shilling this book does have good taste. I like how even the assholes get characterised as people who you can't help but agree with and the fact that even though the main villain is an asshole, he's thoroughly competent and more than willing to compromise and threaten when it suits his agenda.

However, I would not be surprised if this trilogy is the next in line to fuck up the final book.

>>12521625
>This is probably not the place to ask but whats the deal in litRPGs when a character gets unique quests,etc point of mmos is that everyone gets same shit but in the lit versions there is usually 0 balance with some fag getting super gear in the first zone. Its usually written by some DnD fanatic so its not like they can't know about the issue.
most mcs in any kind of fantasy literature become very powerful. its because of the demographic. most people self insert even if they dont admit it. when the mc gets powerful they feel that it affects them too. this isnt even a litrpg thing. there its just plainly represented. its a fantasy trope that happend since the 70s. itll continue to happen cause readers like it and it sells. its not hard to imagine why it would spread into fantasy sub-genres. plus you know why would you even root for the mc if he were just like everyone else?

What do you guys think of Jesse?
He's probably my favourite reviewer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApgbjD-IhTs

We need more duologies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX66nqLfzwc

SORTING CHARACTERS INTO HS STEREOTYPES! | JOCK? NERD? QUEEN BEE?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i9kZXi5mjI

dead bread

>>12521962
This is a slow board. The thread does not need to be fast.

>>12521966
>average anime gets yes! 10 threads! And about 100 fanarts and gets about 1000 mentions off 4chin
>average book gets 1 post at most and at most 1 fanart and gets about 20 mentions off 4chin
Being a bookfag is the ultimate suffering

>>12521977
This is a website that was created to give some lowlifes a place to jerk off about anime, after all.

>>12521981
>>12521981
>>12521981

>>12521628
super sales and wild wastes authors are the same dude. it all started with otherlife and pretty much all his works are in the universe created by otherlife. so crossovers happen to varying degrees. sometimes they are mere cameos but in the case of wild wastes and super sales they are directly related because the mcs are actually related by blood. all the meta lore can be ignored for the most part. since every book explains the relevant parts if they come up. the mc from otherlife however or someone related to him will show up in the authors books though pretty much in every series. since they all are tied together in some fashion or another. heres a tl:dr with spoilers if you want:


all the stories of the author happen in the otherlife universe
runner the mc becomes essentially god because hes trapped in a video game
he creates world just for the sake of it and each story by the author that plays in a different world is in reality a different server
using portals to other worlds is essentially bunny hopping.
pretty much all characters that show up arent real people. they are AIs so advanced that they are essentially sentient they just dont know it save for runner and the people on his world(the original game server) since its no secret there.
theres also the whole meta plot that humanity in reality has been wiped out bay their ayylmao secondary evolution and made an ai called zeus that is fucking with runners worlds and tries to destroy the space ship they are by gradually corrupting the servers in order to gain power over the space ship that is headed into space to find the last remnants of humanity hiding among the stars.

>>12521281

>>12521920
>>12521942
>>12521958
OMG YASSS LETS WATCH TOGETHER GAISSS!!

>>12518980
>Am I in for more of the same or am I massively misunderstanding the first couple of chapters?
No, it's pretty much like that the whole way through.

red-pill me on N.K. Jemisin

>>12522270

blackity black black

>>12522270
The epitome of everything that is wrong with modern fantasy.

>>12521670
I want to read it but can't find a working link.
Where do you guys get your ebooks?

>>12522270
Quite a good writer.
Not great, and not a fan of identity politics but she's decent enough.

>>12522270
I've read worse, they're painfully mediocre, although I've got a particularly high tolerance, I wouldn't recommend them though unlike other mediocre authors.

>>12521977

>>12522302
Mobilism let me know if it's not there, if not I'll upload mine tomorrow (I love to read so late that I start hallucinating books).

I also want to read A Labyrinth of Scions and Sorcery by Curtis Craddock right now but this guy's books have a truly cursed time getting uploaded anywhere.

I've read all the shit /lit/ usually suggests. Post new books faggets!!!

>>12522270
Broken Earth is good, the rest except Dreamblood is shit

Third BE is average compared to the other two which were way better.

>>12522405
Yeah it's not there, that's the first place I tried. Also the only place. Thank you in advance, anon.

>>12522281
> everything that is wrong with modern fantasy
every time someone says this it makes me laugh. did a bunch of new authors get to getting and have a secret meeting to all write stories just to upset some basement dwellers?

I have been reading Majipoor by Robert Silverberg and I must say that if I ever get trapped in a room with a few books to read. I'd rather have these books to accompany me. The world building is so grandeur and painted so well that you can't hep but get lost imagining the world the author tries to build. The characters feels like they are just walking around these grand world and goddamn it makes me want to explore the world well

>>12521001
No one can compare to the King.

>>12522480
that's exactly what (((they))) did

test

>>12522414
I'm sure you haven't read my self published chart.

>>12522563
You probably enjoy juggling.

>>12522674
Ban evading are we?

>>12522763
nah, for some reason my adblocker only blocks my posts on certain boards.
Not on this one though, idk why.

The last one is great.

Any realistic depressing sci fi shit?

>>12522834
Why is the main character anorexic?

>>12522873
Idealized author self-insert

>>12522956
>can idealize herself however she wants
>chooses to be a sticc
why.

>>12522994
Because she is chubby and like every other woman she wants to be really thin? I mean it's not rocket surgery.

>>12523002
>like every other woman she wants to be really thin
yeah but WHY?
Why do male and female tastes diverge so hard?

>>12523007
I'm not a psychologist anon, I mean, I really hate the sticc meme, I like my women to have curves. But some women are plagued with a lack of self confidence so they believe being thin is what all men want (they are wrong). I have a friend (girl) who starves herself and still, she is single. Women are weird.

You guys memed me into Gormenghast.
Apologize

Nearly done with Asimov's Foundation trilogy. How are the sequels and are they canon, what are they even about, Poochie's empire?

>>12523253
> How are the sequels
Generally poor. They seem to only exist to combine the story universes of Foundation and I Robot.

>>12520696
What book?

>>12519087
Use of Weapons

>>12523146
No apologies

>>12519294
Anglachel, aka Gurthang, the Iron of Death.
A sword made from a black meteorite. Ideal for killing your best friends, dragons, and even yourself.
As a plus, it can talk.

>>12521001
He helped Christopher Tolkien to edit The Silmarillion when he was still a student.

>>12523287

As bad as post-Dune Herbert or post-Tolkien Middle Earth?

>>12523373
Are you really saying that Christopher Tolkien's loving and faithful endeavour to publish his father's unfinished works is the same as Brian Herbert's bloated and cynical milking of his father's works?

>>12523373
>post-Tolkien Middle Earth?
>bad
CT has done a fucking amazing job honoring his father.
It's only Brian faggot who's completely fucked over Dune and is not even close to being anywhere near even a quarter as good as his father.

>>12522834
Is this a /lit/ meme?(that's why there are only 4 books in the pic?) I don't post here often. first 3 were tolerable, getting increasingly worse with each book but after that I could not even finish it.

>>12523007
They don't.

>>12523541
>Is this a /lit/ meme?
Yes, it's literally one person shilling it

>>12523541
I think you're confusing a meme with a single retarded troll. What enjoyment he gets my posting his trash in every single /sffg/ thread for over a year no one can know or understand.

>>12521867
yeah I get that and cool whatever(for any other setting) but whats the point of picking a setting were everything is regulated, if you are going to act like all the other plays are retards who could not figure out basic combos, have MC getting "cheat" skills, having more info then others from being in beta, picking a secretly overpowered class others don't pick, getting secret quests no one has ever gotten, etc. it reeks of insecurity, like MC/author could not tolerate even the idea that someone could be equal to MC. What is even a point of a litrpg at that point, you end up with filler text resitting stats and a "broken" game. Its already like watching someone play a game in a text form (which is more boring than a youtube lets play, especially since its all MMOs instead of mysteries,etc) while its an uneven comparison its like buying a ticket to a gala and showing up in jeans and a shirt. Am I autistic or do you get what Im saying?

>>12523558
>>12523562
well /lit/ is slow moving so I guess one person is most that can be hoped for.

>>12523558
>>12523562
ok and whats up with all the asexual posting?

>>12523610
Pardon?

>>12523737
Ignore the shill

>>12523596
I get what you are saying, and you are autistic if this is bothering you. If you want to ease your autism with logic think of the extra perks as a glitch. Nothing is perfect, especially computer coding. Just think of it as the MC doing a series of events in a certain manner from when he first opened his eyes in the game that triggered the glitch, and it gave him access to better equipment, and broken logic tree quests that were in the beta stage.

Do you all agree that Prince of Nothing is the best series ever written?

>>12524023
>if this is bothering you.
Im bothered because I can't seem to find a book of the genre that actually matches the description of it. its like buying a DVD of a film only to find someones cam recording of a play on it.
>as a glitch
in some they are a glitch(that no one else can replicate) my question is why set it in a controlled world if you can just write a generic fantasy

>>12524050
have not gotten far into it. all Bakker's books seem like a convoluted grimdark slog. I love me some grimdark but not when its written in his style.

>>12524050
I just wanted this betraying whore, who did what comes naturally to her to die.

>>12524060
Read the ritualists by Dakota. You will understand why people can't replicate a glitch if you didn't do the exact same thing as you. You behave like a glitch is logical. I'm just getting extreme autism vibes from you.

>>12524171
A glitch is logical lmao, things don't just happen acausally. It's a valid criticism, they don't like the idea of a world like in MMOs in which things are literally constructed but the MC is the only one exempt from the rules and no one else at all can replicate it, in a world where everything is constructed.

>>12523541
I have to agree that it started going downhill after the first 3.
4 wasn't that bad, but mostly because Manon and Elide are more tolerable than Aelin.
5 was bad, Tower of Dawn focused wholly on the worst character and I regret reading it.
Kingdom of Ash is at least better than Tower of Dawn...

Read pic related series. Easy to read, with a few original ideas in it, but it mostly catters to rpg players that want to read something familiar.

>>12524150
are you talking about the one who became queen or her daughter? There are so many treacherous whores in those books

>>12524221
Manon and Dorian had potential. Manon was fun until she got main character sickness and turned out to have been good witch or half breed or whatever, queen of crock. Dorian's gender bending should have had a bigger page count, since its my fetish. beyond all the issues about all the characters pointed out 100 times, like many multi pov books these series suffers from the same issue where individual stories are not good enough to carry a book and the author tries to trick you by mixing them together.

>>12524203
You do know that logically in a computer program, your username with along with your thief class, your tank regen arm bands, and talking to a shop owner with while bending down to pick something up when the shop owner said "well I have" could trigger a glitch.
Tell me how in the fuck would someone be able to duplicate this without knowing the exact actions you were taking and what you were wearing?

I just gave you the glitch idea to help your autism cope, but there doesn't seem to be any hope for you. Enjoy being single because people aren't doing what you expect, and you can't understand that nothing is perfect especially fucking code.

>>12524242
summary does not seem interesting. what original ideas are there?

>>12524270
>not even worth 12 talents
Did you read the fucking series? Who do you think I'm talking about? Are you new to 4chan or something?

>>12524318
im not him. pure statistics, especially when its a game everyone in the world seem to be playing. also using such excuse for every MC is even more tiresome then them being a chosen one.

>>12524313
Another issue is the bloat.
The books just getting bigger without adding anything substantial.

Just be glad you didn't read Tower of Dawn. It was 85% Chaol and 15% Nesryn.
While Nesryn is a decent side-character, no book can be saved if that much time is focused on a horrible character like Chaol.

>queen of crock
Yea, she became quite bland.

>>12524203
i agree with anon
read awakening online and the ritualists
both shows and deals with the problems your ocd cant digest

>>12522270

Only read The Fifth Season, it was ok. But I’m not really into fantasy stuff anyways. I liked the world building a lot, but the characters and the story itself was just meh

>>12524332
It's the matrix upside down. People try to escape global extinction by uploading their minds into a mmorpg. However, most of the book revolves around the protagonist's class, his level ups, and the quests he must overcome to survive in the new digital world.

>>12524352
there is that bloat, then there is the cast bloat which leads to everyone getting even less development time while having many characters who have the same function in story. which is something else that is very common and has annoyed me in another book I read recently. Why add new people to the cast if you A)did not do anything with the ones you already had B) have readers coming back specifically for characters you already have

>>12524355
better to go for stories that have game elements but are not set in games (as far as the characters know).

>>12524351
Its a fucking genre book. Of course it's a chosen one scenario. Stats don't mean shit hi pol you are telling me that someone with your name (when each player has a unique name), and all the other shit I said could pull it off? If it's tiresome fine, but stop behaving like you triggering a glitch that gave you better equipment is logical.

In a litrpg setting where everything seems "life like" there would be billions of lines of code, not to mention the millions of billions of code for the near sentient machine that ties everything together. No wonder you autistic fucks fail at life. This is my last response to you, I have better things to do than argue why a computer program doesn't work with the logic you personally use as a dungeon master. I bet you were really pissed when people found ways around your rules and "broke your game", while still following your rules to a T. Just stop reading litrpg and lurk only in outer lit, and read some fluff piece on the human condition.

>>12524386
That book was so shit... Were you the one who shilled it to me a few months ago in this general?

>>12524463
unlikely. What as so shit about it? I enjoyed the horror elements of the "last boss"

>>12524453
>stop behaving like you triggering a glitch that gave you better equipment is logical
I never said that.
>genre book
all books are genre books.
>Of course it's a chosen one scenario.
by what logic. MC can be good without being better than everyone
>In a litrpg setting where everything seems "life like" there would be billions of lines of code, not to mention the millions of billions of code for the near sentient machine that ties everything together.
yet somehow they are even more shit than MMO's we have today?
>dungeon master
only "dnd" I played were from Black Isle Studios.

>>12518980
I dislike the series, personally, on account of Erikson's confusing written expression.prose, but a lot of people seem to dig it.

From what I've read, there is a whole lot of intermingling between the mortal and the divine, particularly (without spoiling anything) when the Crippled God becomes a factor. The Gods have quite a personal stake in mortal affairs from thereon, so there's a lot of that as the series progresses.

>>12524494
>>12524453
>I never said that
I'm breaking my no reply rule to do some corrections.
It's supposed to be not logical, or illogical.

>>12519259

Give me a tdlr about writing science fantasy and what to avoid.
Imb >Don't.

>>12524520
well it is illogical. glitches don't give unique items or perm bonus. even if they did, like I said statistically there should be at least other plays in the world who get the same. This also does not side step issues when its not about glitches but existing gameplay that no one else is utilizing the same way.

>>12523146
t.brainlet

Anons I'm building a scifi setting and need some Space Fantasy/Planetary Romance recommendations. As well a something that explores living in outer space inside of space stations and space ships and less so on actual planets.

Bonus if people in this universe prefer to use melee weapons and if there are some non-humaoid aliens.

>>12524607

>>12519087
The Honor Harrington series by David Weber. Also the "Dread Empire's Fall" trilogy by Walter Jon Williams. "The Algebraist" by Iain M. Banks might also fit the bill.

>>12524670
Book of Skaith by Leigh Brackett
The Sword of Rhiannon
The Star Kings
The Paradox Men
And Jack Vance and Tanith Lee have a shitton of books about planetary romances and exploration of alien worlds

Welp, trying to slog through the slynx. Does is get more interesting? I'm a third in and its still really not dragging me in. Really seems like theres nothing deeper going on than a shitty regime controlling a post-apocalypse moscow

>>12521670
those were my thoughts too. its too good, there's no way it won't manage to let the readers down

>>12522834
Those must be the most boring book names I have ever seen.

recommend me some quality easy to read fiction /lit/. I'm bored of trying to understand secret meanings behind words, I just want to read a good story

>>12525411
The Strange and Beautiful Sorrows of Ava Lavender

>/sffg/ is actually backing up my recs and trivia

I feel oddly validated.

>>12525411
Goblin Slayer
Dragon Lance
H.P. Lovecraft
Moomin

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/akl7zq/the_2018_rfantasy_favorite_standalones_poll/

Any books here actually good?

>>12524539
Guys I can't continue the book without you.

>>12525411
Throne of Glass.

>>12525487
Pretty much a cookie cutter list.
Decent enough.

>>12525487
I could have told you that they really like Neil Gaiman.

>>12525411
Conan

>>12518577
>Is Good Omens one of the best collaborative novels ever written? https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2019/jan/29/good-omens-successful-joint-authorship-neil-gaiman-terry-pratchett

>>12523253
The sequels are definitely canon and they're great little stories (although they're not short stories) and Asimov makes them feel very fresh. There's a bit of horror in the sequels which I enjoyed immensely and as a plus I love the Robots crossover (but you have to have read Robots too) and some of the decisions some characters make might shock you a little.

>>12523314
City of Brass

>>12522423
https://transfer.sh/m3KXe/Downloads.zip

>>12525487
Yes but as with everything from r/Fantasy it's always to an extent. From the one's I've read:

GOAT TIER:
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell should be tied in equal first place with Tigana.
Good Omens by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman should be ranked second

GOOD TIER:
The Lions of Al-Rassan
The Golem and the Jinni
The Hobbit

FUN POPCORN TIME TIER:
The Emperor's Soul

COMPLETELY OVERRATED TIER:
Uprooted - The ending sequence was quite dumb
The Goblin Emperor - Only read this if you enjoy slice of life politics

Lord of Light is worth being in GOAT tier too and Cloud Atlas is ranked somewhere between GOAT and GOOD because some of the stories suck ass.

>100000 year old natural formed sentient spirit
>protag eats it to save himself a month of effort

>>12524607
It's shit and too descriptive
Maybe because I'm reading it in English, even though it isn't my main language?
But I had no trouble reading Tolkien in English, so I decided to try the same.
It's not that I can't understand it, but it is really boring

Me I just watched forbidden planet. Give me some short golden age pulp like this. I already read foundation

>>12525858
t. plotfag

>>12525884
t. t.

>>12525751
Could be worse
He might eat it because he's hungry and bored

What do you want to see in TWOW if and when it comes out, /lit/?
>Mance beats up Ramsay, glamours himself as Ramsay and Ramsay as Mance then delivers "Mance" to the dungeons to be flayed by Roose
>Roose thus gets revenge for Ramsay killing Domeric even though he doesn't know about it
>If Roose finds out we get to see how emotionless he really is

>>12525986
It's just a script of the last season of the tv show.

>reading asoaif when you could read MoR

>>12526034

tv show is fanfic m8

What is a good fantasy with a non binary main character with tasteful LGBTQ+ themes? Preferably in a non white or European setting.

>>12525986

>>12526093
>MoR
That's like 10 different books friend. Be specific.

>>12526174
ask >>>/lbgt/

>>12526174
The Traitor Baru Comorant is /u/
Ancillary Justice if you are willing to drop this series after the first book (the other two are total shit)
Also LGBTQ+ themes are always in the background in genre fiction and whilst you might see other books recommended at least in the case of anything /y/ related they are always shit (unless it's bait)

>>12526355
>the other two are total shit
Glad I didn't bother with them then, I had intended to get to them eventually

>>12526365
The other two are the very definition of constant tea drinking with ambassadors in a very limited section of space. Which is comfy but doesn't deliver at all on what I actually wanted or expected. You can get them off mobilism anyway.

>>12526451
It's bizarre, it's like she had no idea what actually made her first book successful.

I'm starting to realize that the reason people don't take the left seriously anymore is because there is no longer any concept of subtlety

It is so easy to rewrite this idea to have the exact same message without it feeling like a soapbox, but no, we have to beat people over the head with the point

What are some good fantasy works influenced by slavic mythology? Not including witcher.

>>12526584
>Great-Esacpe

>>12526584
>Chalkboard
How small is this river? and why a "shy boy" also why is everything so perfect? no conflcit? Nobody seeing it as negative? The only conflict is the hijinks with adults. In addition switching places? Are you kidding?
>Yo Tony why you suddenly blonde with tits?
>Yo Angelica why you suddenly flat chested with brown hair and an Adam's apple?

>>12526571
The first book was the very tip of the war so it didn't require much skill to write. Many authors suffer from being unable to write space warfare in a /m/ way that makes it convincing. Other times it fails to communicate the sense of space.

Ninefox Gambit also has a great first book and fucks up hard in the second and third books but I think the author tried their best on theirs rather than doing the equivalent of retreating into a foetal position like the Ancillary Justice author did (it was still really quite shit though).

I guess it's just the way people's minds work. I'm not sure about you guys but it is really hard to write convincingly about something you have no experience of or of subjects which are usually badly covered in fiction, for example war.

>>12526584
not gonna lie that movie idea sounds like a great idea for a stand-alone book or even a videogame. a mix between dating sim and bully style adventure game. you play as the either the female or male gang lead and have to start illicit relations with the other gang lead without even your guys knowing since they aint all that loyal. all the while helping the tranny and tomboy into their school of choice.

When is this book coming out? And where is Doors of Stone?

>>12526636
>most anticipated books of 2013

>>12526617
>>12526629

here's how I'd do it – with more subtlety and a /sff/ twist

>there are two schools in this version: an all-boys technical school and an all-girls school for witches
>naturally, one of the boys enrolled in the technical school really loves magic and and sucks at pretty much everything math and science related, but his parents enrolled him against his will
>together, the boys and girls band together to disguise the boy as a girl and sneak him into the witches school
>the thing is, it's not just about that one boy to either of them. Most of the boys have at least some interest in magic and plenty of the girls have a passion for science and technology
>ultimately the conflict is between the children who want freedom in their education and a school board that stubbornly imposes a science/magic dichotomy on them
>the trans issue is never explicitly stated, but by making the boy's conflict to be a witch rather than a wizard, the implication is clear

>>12526708
>girls
>passion for science and technology
Suspension of disbelief has been ruined

>>12526708
Male Witches are a thing though. Media just made people think it's only ladies.

>>12526720
Witches belong to the realm of fantasy and are thus whatever you want them to be. If you want male witches to be a thing, they're a thing. If not, they're not.

>>12526720
Indeed, during Salem trials many men were convicted.

>>12526708
Would be an interesting book tbqh. The people pushing for trans rep in media would take it as everyone in that world is trans though.

>>12526720
In wicca maybe, but outside of that subculture that male counterpart has always been either wizard, warlock or – for some reason – werewolf

>>12526719
nah

>>12526747
the people who would take it to mean everyone's trans would probably the same people who create trans headcanons about characters for no reason

>>12526708
its basically that one simpsons episode where boys and girls had been segregated in school.
i dont really like the magic and science approach though. i feel that its too common in sff. keep it without magic is my opinion.
maybe make it so that the schools are actually elite schools and the kids are offspring of officials and government leaders. then you can have a layer of political plotting and treachery.
after all who would want it exposed that their kid pretended to be a boy or girl to get into a different school.

>>12526875
I'll be honest, I had that episode in mind the whole time I was typing that.

the thing is, I hate that everything these days has to be political scheming. everyone wants to write the next game of thrones, nobody cares about the stuff that makes fantasy and scifi special

>>12526929
I think we past the Grimdark era now.

This is the only entry in the Amory Wars that isn't a graphic novel. It helped me to believe in heroes again.

Guys, how do I cope after finishing Rise of Endymion? I can’t think of any other authors who have wounded me so.

>>12526708
>the trans issue is never explicitly stated, but by making the boy's conflict to be a witch rather than a wizard, the implication is clear
Showing rather than telling is always stronger. I hate it when authors trying to hit me over the head with a message rather than allowing the reader to actually develop their own opinions in such a didactic manner.

>>12526955
>I can’t think of any other authors who have wounded me so.
I know right

>>12526941
we won't be until we start churning out good fantasy that isn't dictated by in-universe political intrigue

dammit, I just want fantasy about heroes, not fantasy about nations

How come “The Six Concentrics” series is nowhere to be downloaded...

>>12526992
https://forum.mobilism.org/search.php?keywords=The+Six+Concentrics&sr=topics&sf=titleonly
What?

Anyone seen any videos by Chris Fox on Youtube or read any of his books?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9lz0WkA4gs

>>12527026
On that note, any good "how to write fantasy" channels?

>>12525487
>Fantasy
>Lord of Light
God i hate reddit.

I wonder how fantasy writers know what to write when they have multiple ideas. I just can't choose and any time I do choose I regret it and switch

>>12526593
you could try The Bear and the Nightengale or Deathless

>>12527083
Combine them (the ideas)!

>>12527074
Some scifi fans live on r/fantasy. I'm actually surprised that the votes weren't cast on completely shit books because r/fantasy is full of people with incurable shit taste.

All-1.nyou writing advice fools. Stop asking u s fodf jel

>>12519294
Loric's Krill

Im closing in on the end of Mistborn by Sandman and WOW, this book is a lot of hot air. It isn't bad and I'm enjoying it half the time, but this feels like the longest 600 page book I've ever read. So much unnecessary exposition. Are all sanderson books like this?? If they are then I can't imagine what the stormlight archives much be like.

>>12527410
we told you sanderson is anime.
its basically a 300 episode shonen anime like dragonball or naruto where things only really happen in 25 episodes and the rest are exposition and filler.

>>12527410
Yes. Muh world building.

>>12527429
you got me. When you guys said he was anime I was thinking in terms of stereotypes like well thought out action and epic build ups. I hadn't taken into consideration things like heavy exposition and complete filler chapters

plus action sequences are not meant for the written word. the fight between vin and the other mistborn i just skimmed.

>>12527490
well sanderson is anime in both senses. in terms of pacing and storytelling as well as plot elements and the actual things that happen.

>>12518980
It's good if you're a fan of gratuitously long fantasy ebics. If you're a man of taste, it's garbage.

>>12522857
Three Body Problem

>>12523146
Eh, people either love it or hate it.

>>12526571
It's reasonably common for new authors to begin a series by writing a strong novel and then get out of their depth as the stakes, scale, and scope increase. Hell, GRRM wasn't a novice and he still did it. I blame Robert Jordan; we need more standalone novels.

One complaint I have with fantasy books is that the magic used is oftentimes not "brutal" or "violent" enough for my taste. It is often described that magic kills people, but we are, most of the time, left wondering how exactly. Is there something out there with strong, gritty magic that can just blow people up if they are too weak to resist or counter the attack? Also no child characters.

>>12527715
Malazan

>>12527639
>depressing
>3 body problem
it's not that depressing really. just the first chapter. overall it's just like nay other sci-fi in terms of tone. maybe a bit more stoic in actually given the hard science exposition.

>>12522857
A Scanner Darkly

>>12525411

>>12523541
>series is named after the first book's title
when will this meme end?

>>12525882
The Dragon Masters by Vance

go fuck yourselves

>>12528087
rude

>>12526636
>where is doors of stone

Not happening bro

>>12528087
Rude

What's most easy-read hard scifi you could recommend? I mostly read scifi in english which is my third language so heavy reads like Reynolds are exhausting.

>>12528499
Three Body Problem

>>12528500
Read that entire trilogy already, was excellent, especially Dark Forest and ending. "when does dimension reduction end?" "never, btw universe originally had 11 dimensions so yeah such is war"

>>12526093
What's MoR?

>>12526636
>where is Doors of Stone?
Does it matter anymore?
Doors of Stone is just the conclusion to the intro trilogy. It's never going to get finished.

>the review that killed Jordan

>>12528499
Reynolds, Watts and Arthur C Clarke are fairly interchangeable authors, in my opinion. If you can't get through Reynolds' long novels I highly suggest his short stories for example Galactic North.

If you are a Doctor Who fan, Lawrence Miles writes a bit like Reynolds, it's harder scifi than the actual show but the prose isn't difficult.

His Interference Duology is quite good stuff. Part of it is set in a Saudi camp which brutalises prisoners, another part of it follows unveiling the nature of Cold, a spray that can remove individuals from the physical universe and another part of it follows Dust, the dead edge of a human empire and a carnival lead by a showman who is blind who can bleed from his hands (his stigmata) and whose travelling caravan came from nowhere and part of it follows the Faction Paradox, a voodoo timetravelling cult whose homeworld is set on the 11 lost days from the changeover between the Julian to Gregorian calendar which have established a colony called the Remote.

He also has a book called Alien Bodies where the Doctor attends the auction for his own body which is quite a weird affair. I loved the idea of Mictlan, an artificial hell created through the use of block transfer mathematics by Time Lords (as a hiding place for the War in Heaven) and a conceptual entity called the Shift.

>>12527429
>we told you
>we

>>12527821
most PKD is pretty depressing tbph

>>12528764
>If you can't get through Reynolds' long novels I highly suggest the chronological ending to his most-populated and known series
Why not recommend any of his stand-alone novels, or literally any stand-alone short story? wew lad this thread sometimes

What /sff/ has featured any form of amnesia done well, or presenting any originality?

>>12528825
Use of Weapons

>>12528822
>asking a lore/continuityfag for a logical answer
Seriously?
Standalones have left me with nothing but the shortlasting but painful torment of knowing that my current favourite seasonal book, which I will probably forget in two weeks, will never get a sequel.

FUCK STANDALONES FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

>>12528825
Chasm City > Use of Weapons. I liked both though.

>>12528825
>one poop
I'm going to take a dump myself.

>>12526999
The other books silly there are 5 in the series

>>12528825
Latro in the Mist does it in a highly original way.

>>1252098
What do you mean by decline? The only place where it really drops off is the final book, where Merlin rants about politics and those damned commies.

Though it certainly gets less childlike in the second half.

>>12522480
>secret
http://www.thehugoawards.org/

>>12528087
very rude

>>12529136
Anon, new authors only go to awards *after* they've written their books.

>>12519087
Legend of the Galactic Heroes

>>12529136
Dont forget big publishing is on a huge sjw streak. Which is why every author is running a femc series right now.

>>12524242
Hi David.

>>12524150
Same here. I really liked her in book 1, but from 2 onward, she was unbearable. She and Kellhus were my most hated characters. Really, the only thing good about her storyline was watching Kelmomas constantly ruin her life for attention.

>>12528690
>Chubby tavern girls
WTF i love WoT now?!

>>12530019
>that part in book 2 when akka comes back to her and finds her in kellhus's bed.

Just painful. Akka did nothing wrong.

what epic scifi should I read if I am looking at getting back into reading?

I've read LOTR, Wizards first rule and Wheel of time.

>>12530370
Honestly, having to deal with a book and a half of Akka getting cucked, then mindraped into thinking it's okay is what makes me not want to reread PoN. It's too painful to revisit. I might go back and revisit Aspect Emperor, but they did my boy Proyas dirty there too. He got literally and figuratively fucked over by Kellhus.

I am getting annoyed with Windup Girl

>>12530200
>fantasy with braphogs
putting everything else on the backburner while i read this series desu

>>12530423
What? You don't like the wikki tikki pussy?

I'm reading Foundation for the first time. Love the style with the timeskips so far but something has been niggling at the back of my mind from the start: I understand how the Roman Empire was too large to be properly administrated but how can the same possibly be true for a galactic empire where you can go from the edge to the very center in a couple of hours?
I'll take the stagnation and complacency but I refuse to believe "the emperor can't help us because we're so far away from his reach" when the very first chapter introduced hyperspace jumps

>>12530505
Based and fatpilled

>>12530384
Proyas got what he deserved for selling out Akka. Poor old man wizard did not deserve this suffering.

>>12530674
Are you talking about when he abandoned Akka after the library incident? I really disliked that decision. That being said, I don't think it was worth being damned to hell for all eternity either, and he showcased serious regret and remorse over it later. But I guess everyone who follows Kellhus as a prophet is automatically damned, right?

Please could someone recommend me some literature that's similar to the film Event Horizon, or just Space with depictions of Hell or Hell with set in space?

What's some good current scifi that's shaping up to be a future classic? I wanna read future predictions and then laugh at them in a few decades ust like I'm doing now with '60s scifi

>>12525411
Discworld. I'm personally just beggining to read in the Watch order, and loving it. Vetinari is such a charmer.

>>12530799
>But I guess everyone who follows Kellhus as a prophet is automatically damned, right?

Its worse than that. Everyone is damned regardless. That was the whole point of the judging eye and kellhus making his deal. Everyone is just varying shades of damned. So the consult did nothing wrong.

>>12524150
this scene was where I realized PoN was god tier. Honestly achamian impregnating their daughter is pretty brutal. She may not be dead yet but shes suffered for her "choice" if you can even call it a choice when kelhus can seemingly make non dunyain do whatever he wants.

>>12526174
seconding baru cormorant

>>12530909
We are a race of lovers.

>>12531037
>ywn get raped by an inchoroi
just die in my sleep already

>>12531113
inchoroi are great. They're better villains than the Dunyain

>>12530586
A horse and ship passage could supposedly get someone from any two points in the Roman Empire within 30 days.

As far as Foundation, you're underestimating travel time -- I think it's clear that these journeys take days or weeks, if not months. If Asimov doesn't make it explicit enough, it's probably because he assumed the reader would be familiar with the length of sea passages since the book was written before mass air travel became very common.

>>12531171
I suppose so. It's really not clear. The initial journey at the very start does mention several Jumps, but also this:
ravel through ordinary spacecould proceed at no rate more rapid than that of ordinary light (a bit of scientific knowledge thatbelonged among the items known since the forgotten dawn of human history), and that wouldhave meant years of travel between even the nearest of inhabited systems. Throughhyper-space, that unimaginable region that was neither space nor time, matter nor energy,something nor nothing, one could traverse the length of the Galaxy in the interval between twoneighboring instants of time.

>>12531228
I think it was probably in the next book -- Foundation and Empire -- where he says each Jump consists of a fairly brief (hours? seconds?) travel time, but then a while (a few days?) while the pilot/navigator pulls out his star charts and observation instruments to determine and recheck his actual position. The jump drive might have had to recharge too. Either way, I'm certain that Asimov was basically modeling space travel as a sea voyage. It certainly wasn't a matter of a few hours -- and I think even in the original Foundation is was pretty obvious that crew and passenger had to live aboard their ships, it wasn't like an airplane.

>>12530799
>and he showcased serious regret and remorse over it later.
>because he was sorry it makes everything alright.
I really hate apologist like yourself. He did the deed, so he suffers the consequences. Him feeling guilty after the act doesn't change the fact that he did someone wrong.

>>12531274
Maybe he also noticed that he never explained it in the first story. But like I said it's fairly obvious that space travel is supposed to take a long time and just the explanation at the very start clashed a bit with that. Not a massive problem for enjoying the story, but thanks for clarifying.

:)

>>12530799
>abandoned Akka after the library
Its worse than that, hes the one who told the scarlet spires that Akka would be there alone.

>>12530799
You sound like one of those faggots who would kill or rape someone, then expect to get off with a slap on the wrist because you said sorry.
kys. proyas deserved worst.

>>12530379
scifi right? not fantasy, it's a bit hard to discern when you say you're looking for epic scifi and list 3 epic fantasy's as examples.
If scifi then Dune (just read the first Dune, and if you like it then read the rest of Frank Herbert's Dune books, DO NOT READ BRIAN HERBERT'S DUNE BOOKS, THE SON FUCKED IT UP)

>>12530818
Warhammer 40k novels have tons of stuff like that, though there's many so you're gonna have to look into which ones contain the stuff you're looking for yourself.

>>12530877
So if I understand correctly, those that worship the gods faithfully (and suffer) are sweetening their souls to be eaten later, and those that don't are damned, and their souls are cast aside to be tortured by Ciphrang? Is that how the afterlife works in the series?

>>12531669
Basically. Shits fucked.

Any scifi with Marxism (positive) as a theme or discussed?

>>12531680
Basically everything that Kim Stanley Robinson has written
The Dispossessed by Ursula K Le Guin

>>12531677
Damn, that does suck. I thought there was a way to reach salvation or something.

>>12531695
Yea you cull the world to under 200k souls and close off the afterlife and live forever in depravity and decadence.

>>12531680
Noon Universe I think. I also think that Asimov's Foundation is this ultimately with Gaia but don't ask me I don't know anything about politics.

>>12531702
Is there any reason why the Inchoroi want to live on Earwa after closing it off? I remember reading that they refer to it as "the promised land" and I think the Sranc were created to live off of the land instead of destroy it, so that it could remain intact after the population dwindled enough. Is there a reason they don't just kill everyone on the planet then go back home?

>>12531680
(Cont.) I think there's also the Culture by Banks but this is basically written by a writer without much talent

>>12531732
Because their space uterus crashed after it came through the nail of heaven. They can’t go back.

>>12531738

>>12531772
Speak your feelings anon that's what 4chan is for unless you want to see nothing but my overwhelmingly fusty opinions.

>>12531738
Banks has some good novels (player of games, use of weapons, fersuum enjiin)

>>12528690
author of this review seems very annoying

>>12531894
>this chap doesn't like WoT rabidly like I do
>he is very annoying

>>12531988
>tfw couldn't make it through Winter's Heart
I tried, man, but I couldn't survive the slog of slogs.

>>12531680
The Red Star is the first marxist utopia

>shallan chapter

>>12532232
What happened to Chloe's ass that made that guy look so disgusted?
I always wanted to know.

>>12531645
>Dune
Actually, probably just stop at Chapterhouse.

>>12521670
>>12522405
I read it, was alright. Would read the sequel. The plot twists that I were looking forward to however weren't that great and I saw many coming. Also basically the reason behind every of the cast of main characters' actions (with the exception of a very few) boil down to irrational decisions caused by love and I am so fucking tired of that.

>>12531894
You seem very annoying.

Why do web novel places allow people to publish before they have 500 chapters written
It’s friggin ridiculous all the shitty stories with 10 chapters. On royalroad

>>12532683
>Also basically the reason behind every of the cast of main characters' actions (with the exception of a very few) boil down to irrational decisions caused by love
I guess most authors do that, except Reynolds' characters who make frighteningly pragmatic decisions

>>12518577
What's that one book called in which a bunch of rude (as in insulting people) aliens invade earth? i think it's from the 50s or 60s and a comedy

>>12524050
I don't know about that, but it's definitely one of the worst. :3

>>12524050
I dropped it

Is this the worst general on /lit/?

>>12533806
Unlike the rest of the shithole we actually read.

>>12533806
This is the only general on /lit/, so yeah.

>>12533808
>>12533808
>he doesn’t use audible

>>12533845
>>12533806
no there's that space taoism autismfest

>>12533503
Found it, it's called Martians go home

Start of this book is so boring I didn't expect this

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