/lit/ - Literature

Millenial woman bad

>>12521838
AOC is great. I wish she could run in 2020. But IDK how much hype she can keep until 2024 (or 2028 if she avoids challenging an incumbent Democrat)

Both, Plato would not see a distinction, ideally. Just micro and macro

>>12521842
>if she avoids challenging an incumbent Democrat
i mean she already has

>>12521842
Why do American conservatives hate her?

>>12521863
House incumbents can expect to be primaried by their own party.

It almost never happens at the presidential level. She'll cause a shit storm is she primaries Kamala Harris. Maybe she can get away with challenging Biden if he wins, since he's and old white guy and a centrist.

>>12521870
Many of them are animated boomer memes who have a meltdown any time someone wants to raise taxes or says anything negative about Israel.

Ben Shapiro is obsessed with her.

Plato was horrifyingly racist even for his time.

>>12521842

>those feet

>>12521871
Challenging an incumbent is political suicide, the party will never forgive you.

>>12521842
cummies for mrs. president

>>12521836
Kind of both; remember that the original impetus for designing the ideal city was to find what justice was for the individual human being, taking a "city" as a macro-image of the human soul. But as the dialogue continues, the metaphor takes on a life of its own. I don't think Plato thought it could be realized though. I don't remember the Stephanus number off the top of my head, but there's a line where Socrates tells Glaucon that they city they're imagining is definitely not a Greek city; ie, Plato did not imagine that the Republic could be instantiated. Not sure about the relationship to his trip to Syracuse, though.

>>12521875
Anachronisms like this make me reeee so fucking hard. Our conception of race is the result of Europe's colonial history; the Greek conception of the differences between peoples bears no similarity to our concept of race.

>>12521842
I think she's more of a 2024 deal (if not, more realistically, 2028).

She's not a serious presidential candidate at all. She's Sarah Palin for liberals

>>12521948
This. She is utterly incompetent, both in terms of general reasoning and breadth of knowledge. The moment she shares the stage with anyone barely mediocre, she will get btfod. Her support is overstated, because the 16-25 year old illiterate internet activist is also the type of person who takes over most of the online real estate.

>>12521836
He was obviously being serious. And the reason he was being serious was because his book starts with trying to answer the question of what justice is; his reply is basically that you create a society based on a strict hierarchy and as long as everyone just obeys you are living in a just society.

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>>12521963
t. seething boomers

>>12521973
not seething here. Just realistic.

>>12521973
>rob the rich for every penny they have
>open borders
>free shit for everyone!
Yes these are totally realistic policies.

>>12521875
Racist is being just thrown around now. People who live in X city state aren't a race.

>>12521990
Not him, but I mean, there are sensible ways to argue even for those. Her main problem is that she has no fucking idea what she's talking about.

>>12521948
>She's Sarah Palin for liberals
Sarah Palin was actually extremely competent as a governor.

>>12521994
>there are sensible ways to argue even for those
No, there aren't.

>>12522007
I certainly lean towards you in that I find them ridiculous, but there are ways to address them sensibly as long term strategies. You also need to learn to control your public reeeing and not mirror the people you probably hate most.

>>12521875
Every philosopher was until recently, even Hume was racist and anti-Semitic as fuck.

>>12521990
>>12522007
She supports Keynesian MMT. Calm the fuck down, literal fox news watcher.

>Claim ICE is racist and should be abolished
>vote for funding of ICE days prior
anyone who thinks she's anything other than hot air is deluded

>>12522037
Nobody asked you, silly cunt. Go fuck yourself.

>>12522032
MMT has a similar reputation among economists as Austrian economics.

>>12522043
t. butthurt AOC drone

>>12521836
It was mostly an allegory.

>>12522044
what's so bad about mmt?

Americans are always so infatuated with personality, I don't get it. Same shit happened with Obama, he's literally the most status quo defending liberal warhawk that exists, but sprinkle a little LGBT rights on top of the drone bombing and every single liberal in the U.S swallow it hook, line and sinker and defend him to the death.

>>12521870
Because she constantly says retarded things that are factually incorrect, and then dismisses the criticism that she has no idea what shes talking about by saying shes right morally.
>"Its immoral that there are billionaires"
>"Poor people are getting ringworm because they don't have healthcare"
>Proposing America becomes 100% renewable energy feuled in 12 years
>Saying israel an apartheid state but not being able to say how
>Not knowing the 3 branches of gvt
>>12521874
Obviously the only people that will cover the retarded stuff she says will be conservatives. Everyone else is obsessed with her for being a young cute female POC

>>12522045
Eat shit, bitch. What credentials do you have to be claiming anything. What are your education levels? C'mon, list them. I'd like to have a laugh at the expense of a dumb motherfucking piece of shit.

>>12522057
Ahahah. You tell 'em girl. Queen be on da slay prowl. Yassss

>>12521842
La goblina de Nuevo York Ciudad

>>12522057
>becoming this sensitive because someone doesnt buy into the hype of your precious little candidate
extremely sad

>>12521842
Dios Mio... Goblino Megalodono!

>>12522051
Identity politics is probably what defines American politics nowadays.
Trump is a lot closer to the center than the average Republican. He is not a free trader, he is not bombing the middle east, etc.
But since he fights the Culture War, the corporate media calls him a super conservative.

>>12522057
This is how AOC supporters respond to criticism.
This is why engaging with low IQ people and ideas is fruitless.
They don't want to debate the merit of ideas they just want to live in some autistic fantasy world.

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/pol/ posts that have absolutely nothing to do with literature

>>12522090
Neither does /lit/.

>>12522090
Piss off.

>>12522090
Very little of /lit/ has anything to do with literature. Also, very few of those are /pol/ posts.

Why are people saying Plato about things Socrates said?

>>12522104
It is believed that the Republic was Plato's views rather than Socrates' views.

>>12521870
She has a fundamental misunderstanding of economics. The programs she's proposing would spike the national debt to $218T, on top of a $84T baseline deficit driven by social security and medicare.

>>12522124
Fundamental misunderstanding of economics =/= Wanting to funnel money elsewhere.

SocDems want to give poor people the subsidies that Big Oil already get.

What's wrong with that exactly? The United States already has socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor, so might as well be time for some socialism for the poor and actual capitalism for the rich.

>>12521874
tfw no milkies POC AOC socialist gf

>>12522140
She said that unemployment is low now because people are working two jobs. That's so extremely stupid that it's not excusable.

>>12522149
>implying chads with two jobs aren't less unemployed than söyboys with just one

>>12522156
But seriously, how does someone with a double major in economics and international relations not know how unemployment works, or a single detail of the Israel/Palestine dispute?

>>12522149
explain it to a brainlet, please. How is this causality flawed? What's the true causality?

> The United States already has socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor, so might as well be time for some socialism for the poor and actual capitalism for the rich.
I've been saying this for years.

>>12522158
>implying US citizens with double major have any use for knowledge about being a lazy leech or a sandnigger

>>12521836

See:

>>12521848

Also, what's up with women and misshapen ankles? Even among miserable ogre-like men the ankle seldom reaches such tragic proportions relative to the calf, never mind such beet-like morphology.

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>>12522158
because mickey mouse courses and mickey mouse universities.

>>12522165
Unemployment is people not having jobs.

>>12522165
Unemployment is measured as the percentage of people that dont have a job. Suppose there are 20 people in total, of which 5 are unemployed and 15 have a job. This means unemployment is 25%. Now suppose all those 15 people with a job each take on an extra job. Now you have 15 people working two jobs each, and you have 5 people wihout any job. Unemployment will still be 25%, because it measures the amount of people that dont have a job.

>>12521875
Horrifyingly? Kid, let me tell ya somethin.

>>12522165
Oh dear. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+is+unemployment+measured

>>12522183
Fuck you, I didn't actually need an explanation. Made you type that out for nothing, cunt.

>>12522171
socialism is when da poor ppl xddd

>>12522124
Those are some concrete numbers. Got 'em from a Ben Shapiro video?

>>12522199
A scathing critique.

>>12522192
hahahahgfhg gawwdeeeeeem

>>12522201
I would never admit to copy and pasting statistics from a Ben Shapiro video.

>>12522183
seems simplistic. wild guessing here, but is it not like this: in the 70's everyone people had a dumb job, but full time 9 to 5. ffw to 2019. technology reduced work, ergo less labour, yet more people. jobs and work places still exist, some of them don't need work hours from 9 to 5, 7 days a week. so we work in two places, or work on demand. Big-brains have two shitty jobs and two money. Brainlets have one job and one money. Percentage of jobless may remain the same. People work more and shittier jobs.

>>12522212
I used think I'd never confess to being asexual but now that I've accepted I feel like a more whole and self-accepting human being.

>>12522232
That's not the point i was making. The point was that AOC said unemployment is low because people work two jobs, which can never be the case because unemployment measures something different than that.

Less American politics, more pictures of AOC.

>>12522430
Here you go.

>>12522436
I said AOC, not ЛOC

>>12522463
Like I give a shit.

>>12522430
The AOC in most US states is 16. Doesn't matter to me, I'm asexual.

>>12522090
*Twitter posts
This thread is you brain on Twitter brainrot

>>12522489
Yhis was very epic. Yhanks.

>>12522052
all of that is true and correct desu

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>>12521993
Race has always been used as just a general "different people than us" term.

Nominally, I'm the type of person who should support her, but something rubs me wrong a out her. It might have been her fundraising for "drag kids" which is obviously a (((pedophile ring))). She could be a lot tougher on Israel too.

>>12522052
America being renewable only in 12 years is more out of necessity

>>12522559
>Tougher on Israel
You didn't buy the Palestinian dindu narrative, did you?

>>12522625
Its also fucking impossible, guy. Subsidize the hell out of solar panels, promote green alternatives all day, but AOC and the nu-democrats eagerness to take the authoritarian route is pretty alarming

>>12522628
I have no love for Palestinians, but the enemy of my enemy and so on
(I'm asexual btw)

>>12521836
Both. Disregard retards who think he was being ironic.

AOC is gay, Tulsi is my democratfu

Jesse Ventura is running as a green next election. I really hope he can get into a debate with Trump and pull supporters away from him. I'd say his chances are good if he can get in the media spotlight.

>>12522237
Can I be asexual with you my fren? Can you teach me how to know if I am? I already disdain penetration, and find it way too grotesque. What else do I need to do?

>>12522667
i don't think america will ever elect a Hindu into office desu

>>12522796
Why not? Americans don't even know what the fuck a Hindu is. It'll probably be easier than getting a Jew or Mormon into the presidency.

>>12522052
It is immoral that there are billionaires lmao

>>12522847
This. 48% of the total wealth is owned by 1% of the global population L M A O

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>>12522874
I hope you're both not old enough to vote lmao

>>12522014
>I agree but its possible to be an insufferable intentionally retarded and dishonest devil's advocate for no reason
Some day in the near future people like you will be lined up and shot

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>>12522874
Why is the existence of billionaires immoral? If it could be proven that allowing billionaires to become billionaires creates enough wealth that even the poorest were better off, would the existence of billionaires still be immoral? There are some good arguments against capitalist accumulation, but I'm suspicious that most of them are just resentment masquerading as principle. But convince me otherwise.

>>12523049
Do you think it's fair for there to be billionaires, living as they do, and many merely inheritors of an existing family dynasty, while there exists so much, unparalleled poverty in the world? as said, 48% of total wealth in hands of 1% of total population? and the divide is only increasing over time, since the "rich get richer"?

>>12523084
You still haven't explained why the division in wealth is itself immoral. If there were no billionaires, there would still be teeming masses of impoverished people, as there were in the days before there was enough wealth such that a person could be a billionaire. I agree that billionaires should probably also be philanthropists, but I still don't see why the mere existence of a billionaire is in itself immoral.

>>12522895
I'm 20
>>12523049
The trickle-down effect doesn't work. People hoard, wealth isn't shared out fairly across society.

>>12523111
trips of truth

>>12523101
I guess it isn't merely the existence, necessarily (though personally I would agree with some kind of cap on net-worth being implemented), but also the fact that they are part of and perpetuating a system which allows them to maintain their power while the ones who work for them, referring to the lowest of the lowest class here, never had a chance to be anything else in life, and are fated to slavery for their own life and for their future descendants too. i consider wealth inheritance evil, to be honest, and think it should be removed as soon as possible. if billionaires existed under that system, i'd have much less of a problem, but still a problem.

>Wants to abolish ICE
>just another le epic twitter ownage personality

Lmao why do people take this girl seriously

>>12523111
If trickle-down did work, though, would it still be immoral to be a billionaire? I'll agree for the purposes of this argument that it doesn't work. But, for the purpose of the argument, if it did, would you still consider the existence of billionaires to be inherently unfair?

>>12521836
Gonna be the first post to be an actual response. As far as I am familiar, I’m sure he was speaking to more of the political angle, but not exempting the personal: that an ideal approach to governing isn’t just about just achieving ambitions by pondering about how one should shape the state and country, but also how one should consider shaping themselves to be effectual at attaining political desires.

>>12523133
They're literal incel bugmen who are so sex starved they think this horse faced hag who looks 15 years older than she actually is, is "hot"

>>12523084
You clearly don't understand that there will always be roughly 50% of population in poverty simply because poverty is usually defined as certain percentage below median income. It's okay, it's useful manufactured political talking point to bamboozle imbeciles. Wake me up again when HDI, infant mortality, caloric intakes and other concrete metrics are going down, then we have a situation at hand.

>>12523142
Also, the other board I frequent more than lit is pol. All responses regarding OPs pic belong there. A shame it is that in a lit board the barely related pic gains more attention than the actual post.

>>12522794
You are already asexual if you decide you are.

>>12523171
>lit
>pol
>lit
Holy fucking newfag

>>12523152
>poverty is usually defined as certain percentage below median income
Poverty is defined against cost of living, market basket and living wage, you humongous retard. That's why a lot of first world countries have no poverty despite having significant income disparity. Go post your ebyn anime pictures on /pol/ or whatever other double digit IQ subreddit you crawled out of.

>>12523214
>whines about anime pics
Leave 4channel

>>12522090
Excuse me sweetie this is a /pol/ website, we make up most of the members so every board is for us

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>asexuality

>>12523136
Yes, I think billionaires profit from a system that is inherently morally wrong for placing capital over human value, and which uses humans as means to ends. To be a billionaire is to knowingly benefit from this system, and then refuse to share money which you have earned unfairly. Nobody needs that much money - money which can be used to fund welfare programs, climate research, health research and hundreds of other good causes (causes which have usually been necessitated by the destruction caused by the rampant greed of the 1%).

>>12523193
Oh c'mon ur just a memer, i thought this could be a serious enterprise for me to join and identify myself with

>>12523214
You are incorrect. Even the richest social democracy in Europe has poverty because poverty is defined like I said.
https://www.tnp.no/norway/economy/poverty-income-inequality-increase-norway

>According to the EU poverty line (those who earn less than 60 percent of the median income), the proportion of poor in Norway has risen from 7.7 percent to 9.3 percent four years later.
>EU poverty line (those who earn less than 60 percent of the median income)
>EU poverty line (those who earn less than 60 percent of the median income)
>EU poverty line (those who earn less than 60 percent of the median income)
>EU poverty line (those who earn less than 60 percent of the median income)

Of course it's hard to admit to being a bamboozled imbecile but look, we are all anonymous here, you won't get downboats.

>>12523242
but i legitimately disdain penetration and get nothing but disgust from seeing it, also never imagine it or perform it except a few times and realized thereon that it is the most cringey act ever created

>>12523264
>durrr these countries have this very specific form of poverty that isn't actually like real poverty at all but that doesn't matter I'm right and you're wrong!!!!

>being a filthy leftist
>voting Blue, ever

STOP RUINING MY COUNTRY YOU GODDAMN FUCKS

>>12523249
http://www.whatisasexuality.com/intro/

Good luck my friend.

t. asexual human

>>12523275
people will vote blue as long as retard republicans concern themselves more with the persecution of brown people than the persecution of mega-corps, there's no reason to vote red beyond short-sighted and ultimately self-harming bigotry

>>12523274
yikes
>>12523283
>not wanting people to just flood your country is persecution
oh sweaty, you haven't seen anything yet

>>12523276
what is your motive? why r u doing this? i'm tryna find real answers to my idosyncracies and ur just here meming for no reason beyond meming

>>12523264
>resorting to bureaucratic semantic games
Sad. The context of conversation clearly indicates abject poverty as opposed to extreme wealth, not Norwegians who have to finance their Tesla Model S for 3 years instead of 2. If you're looking to win epic sophist games, you should, as already noted, go back to your oligophrenic containment forum and stay there.

>>12523244
This is about to run into a discussion that could be very long, but more harm is caused by dogooders who have only the purest motives at heart than by those pursuing their own material gain. What have you done recently that treats human beings as an end in themselves, except for identifying with this concept of "man"?

>>12523294
>yikes
lol nice argument faggot

>>12523283
>You can only persecute one or the other

Tfw no anti immigrant anti corp party

>>12523274
Yup, I was right and you were wrong. Poverty is meaningless metric. Only way to erase poverty like you bamboozled imbecile understand it is to have everyones income precisely median income. Really makes you think, doesn't it? It should at least explain why left is always more concerned with income equality than improving concrete human welfare metrics.

>>12523303
>you have to care about retards who breed beyond their means
Nope. You don't either. You just want to impress other white people with your olympic virtue signaling. As a POC its honestly disgusting.

>>12523297
What do you mean, buddy? I'm giving you sincere access to resources about asexuality. That should help you decide if you're ace or not.

yours truly,
a male who is asexual

>>12522057
She went to BU to get a degree in Economics and was working as a bartender. She complains about being in debt. She's a fucking retard who should've went to Binghamton or Baruch instead.

>>12523310
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_poverty

>>12523312
>As a POC
Nobody cares what you think, nigger. Fuck off.

>>12523328
That's exactly what I said

>>12523312
No one cares about you being colored you fucking attention whoring nigger. Come up with a good argument and people will listen, or did you time as a sociology major teach you otherwise?

>>12523322
Doesn't look like poor are getting poorer according to that metric either. You should really stick to median income mental gymnastics to justify your existence.

>>12523315
okay. ur posts, and their being spammed across this board, have an air of irony to them. cant tell if ur being srs or not

>>12523322
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists
What do you think?

>>12523310
everyones income should be precisely median you fat fuck

>>12523309
get rid of the corps, and there'll be no pressure to import cheap labour

>>12523307
I gave a homeless man change, even though I didn't want to - because its my duty

>>12523351
The graph doesn't contradict the statement that poor are getting poorer in any way.

>>12523368
In my opinion best way to eradicate world poverty as bamboozled imbeciles on the left understand is to wall in every single leftist into their own containment zone and make sure they all earn exactly $2 every day
>not a single leftist is in extreme poverty
>not a single leftist falls outside median either so there is no poverty according to that definition either
There, your poverty crisis solved!

>>12523368
Be nice

yours kindly,
an asexual person

>>12523372
Nah there will still be pressure since leftists cant fucking help themselves

>>12523376
It clearly shows number of people in world living in extreme poverty have fallen from 2 billion to 0.5 billion while world population has more than doubled in same time span.

>>12523379
>calls others bamboozled imbeciles
>posts anime pictures

YIKES

>>12523405
How is that relevant to wealth levels?

>>12523438
>gets stuck on picture instead of addressing text like retard without medication
Sassuga leftist.

>>12522124
National debt literally affects nothing. It’s a bullshit meme made by neoliberals to cut spending so that employees have longer hours, lower pay, no payed overtime, vanishing pensions, and now they want our fucking retirement money too. fuck neoliberal scum such as yourself, you people are the reason 2008 wasn’t the last crash.

>>12523449
The point is that "wealth levels" doesn't matter, you doofus. You're angry that the rich are getting richer even as the poor are getting richer because inequality in itself is offensive to you because you are the last man.

>>12523449
If you can't understand how more people earning more is related to wealth levels you need better brain.

>>12523472
>National debt literally affects nothing
That's what socialist Argentinian government said too. Then it couldn't repay debt and was forced to get money off IMF and World Bank as last resort. Who would have guessed that would happen!

>>12523482
>poor are getting richer
tell me which general direction this graph is going after 1975

>>12523513
That United States neoliberal monetary policy and the financialization of the economy has been garbage since the latter half of the 20th century does not mean that capitalism is bad, you fool. Typical leftist, thinks history started sometime in the 1960s, with everything prior to that being some unaccountable dark age.

>>12523503
largely a result of capital flight since decreasing unemployment does this crazy leftist thing called improving working conditions

>>12523315
if asexual is refering to someone with "very little interest in sexual actitvity" everybody feel cheated.
asexual is asexual, someone incapable of have sexual feelings. choose other word to someone with "little interest". y know is simple but i think is a problem of a possible acceptance of "very little interest in sexual activity" people.

>>12523482
>lmao it dont matter u mad and bad
Save these quality posts for your home subreddit.
>>12523483
No, my cognitively impaired friend, you should. Not only does rising income alone not beget wealth accumulation, but once again, nothing in the aforementioned graph indicates rising income.

>>12523527
I’m not saying capitalism is bad retard. Most of the shills in this thread are neoliberals who think Milton Friedman and Reagan dindu nuffin

>>12523527
>reee strawman strawman
why don't you faggots stay in your dumpster fire of a board

>>12523513
>waaah I'm not bamboozled imbecile referring to percentages of median wage!
>presents extreme poverty instead
>gets btfo'd by own link
>waaaahh I'm not referring to extreme poverty here look at this median income defined poverty rate!

>>12523554
I’m not even the guy you replied to, I just posted that graph because I jumped in this thread and saw nothing but retarded neoliberal shills like yourself.
yes believe it or not relative poverty is an actual metric that actually affects your life you cuck, unlike starving low IQ Africans across the atlantic

>>12523553
This is my board, god fucking damnit. Stop shitting it up with resentment-soaked leftwingery!

Anyway, maybe we should all just stop fighting about nothing and just get back to talking about how great Pynchon's farts smell, or whatever.

>>12523544
>nothing in the aforementioned graph indicates rising income.
Are you colorblind? That graph is red-green with red part indicating sinking extreme poverty.

>>12523533
No matter what your mental gymnastics, fact remains that Argentina could not repay its national debt which supposedly affects nothing.

>>12522874
Pareto distribution, you retard. You think this doesn't happen in every society, including "communism"?

>>12522242
the point you were trying to make was irrelevamt because the point that anon just made was the same point AOC was making.
unemployment is low now because there's a lot of temporary and low stability work availablw that people have to take to in order to survive. so low unemployment figures are not the indicators of a robust economy that talking heads are trying to spim them as.

>>12523554
It's not even me, but this is too retarded to not reply. Poverty measure in the US is measured on income _compared to market basket, CPI and amount of dependents_ not just by taking the bottom percentage of income, you colossal fucking retard. You're arguing against your personal strawman, not any actual real world metrics. I sincerely hope this is just some autistic (you) collection operation, but judging by anime pictures it's probably genuine developmental disability.

>>12523574
I don't believe any completely arbitrarily defined metric has any effect on me. Wake me up again when HDI, infant mortality, caloric intakes and other concrete metrics are going down, then we have a situation at hand.

>>12523527
>The only reason capitalism is bad is because of *policy*

Imagine being this level of a low IQ brainlet.

>>12523599
Yes, do you still not understand what extreme poverty means?

>>12523622
none of those things are the consequence of the concentration of wealth and political power in the hands of a very small portion of the population
all of those things are occuring in spite of this

>>12523622
>my personal income in relation to minimal commodity bundle is a metric that doesn't affect me
>nationwide averages do affect me
Okay, this is epic.

>>12523599
argentina does not have a sovereign currency
the united states does
national debt is irrelevant for a country with a sovereign currency

>>12523607
>the point you were trying to make was irrelevamt because the point that anon just made was the same point AOC was making.
OR she just doesnt know jack shit about economics and is just pulling stuff out of her ass, including a faulty definition of unemployment. You can say that unemployment being low isn't necessarily a good indicator, but you cannot say that unemployment is low because people are working two jobs.

>>12523669
*isn't necessarily a good indicator of human happiness

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>>12523664
I'm beginning to see that you are all illiterate, mathematically and otherwise. You don't even make any sense at this point.

>>12523599
>any counterargument to anything I say is mental gymnastics
Wow, I haven't seen retardation this powerful since the death of /b/.

>>12523695
>I've run out of arguments and anime pictures
OH NO NO NO

>>12522806
>Americans don't even know what the fuck a Hindu is
Answered your own question

>>12523701
Your argument was not counter-argument to fact that Argentina collapsed under public debt. It was possible explanation why it happened. "Why" is completely irrelevant since your original claim was that public debt doesn't matter.
>window doesn't break
>but look that window is broken
>nuhuh, it was just a rock that flew at it
is your retardation in nutshell

>>12521836
OP here. Seems like most of you (all of you) didn't realize my thread was directed at fellows who have read through the works referenced in my post at least twice. Instead, the lot of you, stirring from your sleep still nestled in your warm, childhood bed, grabbing the phone from your bedside (or perhaps it was still firmly secured in your hand) stumbled upon my thread, already teeming with excitement from rushes of dopamine, having passed over more than a couple pictures of silly memes and bulging breasts, then proceeding to coarsely skim the content, ignoring the fact that there were a number of terms whose meaning escaped you, you defaulted to whatever memespeak loosely corresponded to the topic at hand, leeching off the half-coherent thoughts of others mindlessly reproduced, not for their intellectual merit, but for their potency in producing dopamine. A bunch of drug addicts you all are, your vocal apparatus entirely under the mastery of chemicals, and yet you have the gall to post in my thread, spouting the first thoughts to enter your brain, all doubly bastardized by the still-lingering haze of sleep and the chemical high already coloring your experience in kaleidoscope fashion, causing your vision to lustily scour your phone screen for pepe-green and wojak-white, all else being a fragmented blur. How dare you impose your unoriginality upon the earnest viewers of my post who now timidly recoil from sharing their sincere thoughts, intellectually bludgeoned and shoved aside as it were by a gaggle of offensive plebeians who rudely and loudly insert themselves into every discussion, contaminating the board with a foul stench and a viscous oily paste of vulgarity and pomp, impossible to wash clean, inevitably driving away all those with no taste for such things, indeed, even you peasants would flee from your own stench if it had not so dulled your own sensibility, short-circuiting as it were your nervous system, which now, tired and heavy, serves the will of fluids, whose blind, infernal influences battle it out in the wild, lawless colosseum which has become your quotidian state.

>>12523704
kek

>>12523704
You ran out of arguments. You bunch are at best going on same circle over and over again alternating between different measures of poverty, at worst not understanding simple graph or your own definitions, or just spewing total nonsense not related to anything. Complete imbeciles as is pre-requisite to being a leftist, simple as that.

>>12523669
>you cannot say that unemployment is low because people are working two jobs.
but that is literally true; that is why unemployment is low. more people working multiple precarious jobs rather than less people working a single, stable job.

>>12523788
Unemployment does not mean number of open jobs jesus christ how fucking stupid leftists are holy shit absolutely surreal

>>12523798
that isn't what i'm saying
people with one job cannot claim unemployment
nor can people with two or more jobs, regardless of job stability

>>12523788
No it doesnt you fucking mongoloid. See>>12522183

>>12523816
>employed people cannot claim unemployment
truly profound

>>12523828
>>12523816

>>12523835
right.
the point is this:
more people working two or more jobs with terrible pay and no security is not an indicator of general economic health. unemployment numbers are low because more people are working multiple shitty jobs.

>>12523854
Jesus Christ, for the last time.

AOC claimed that unemployment is low because people are working multiple jobs. She did not claim that the economy is healthy because people are working multiple jobs. The statement she made is obviously false, and shows that she knows jack shit about economics.

Why the fuck do you keep returning to "it's actually about economic health, not employment" when she fucking said it was about employment?

>>12523854
imagine being so fucking retarded you don't understand what unemployment measures

>>12523854
Are you implying that unemployment statistics measure how many employment positions are unfilled, rather than how many people are unemployed?

>>12521842
Nah. She's fallen for Identity politics like the rest of the Democratic party, so she'll soon be another tool of big corporate.

>>12523876
okay, dude, listen:
there are 100 people in an economy
95 of them are employed in year 1, all working 1 job each
unemployment rate for year 1: 5%
Year two, Q1, 10 people are laid off. Y2Q1 unemployment rate: 15%.
Y2Q2, gig economy is introduced. 13 of the 15 unemployed people manage take on several different jobs with the various platform-based contracting firms. Unemployment rate for Y2Q2: 3%
So the unemployment rate for Y2Q2 is lower than the unemployment rate for the entirety of Y1, but now more people in Y2Q2 are working multiple jobs than in Y1. unemployment is LOWER because more people are working MORE jobs
is that clear?

>>12523904
>>12523923

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>>12523926
>so she'll soon be another tool of big corporate.

/thread

>>12523928
2%*** obviously

Why do people even give a shit about unemployment? Are you guys politicians or somebody actually has a dog in the fight?

If not, Jesus Christ, spend your energy on something else.

>>12523928
>So the unemployment rate for Y2Q2 is lower than the unemployment rate for the entirety of Y1, but now more people in Y2Q2 are working multiple jobs than in Y1. unemployment is LOWER because more people are working MORE jobs
That's not because they're working 2 jobs, it's lower because theyve got jobs. The fact that they work multiple jobs has no fucking impact on the unemployment statistics whatsoever. The only thing that matters is whether they are employed or not.

>>12523970
I care because AOC is a retarded balloon of hot air who knows nothing about anything (economics especially) and yet she's hailed as this messianic figure and the democratic answer to Trump.

>>12523926
>so she'll soon be another tool of big corporate
No. She's the most talked about politician who isn't Trump. She doesn't need to sell out. She has more power than any Democrat.

>>12522052
Its immoral that the elites are so divorced from any noblesse oblige or collective covenants that they’ve reduced status to accruing abstract representations of economic value and make of the quasi-mystical force projection their ancestors wielded over the lower castes, “wealth creation”. People getting ring worm and forgoing basic checkups which lower their life expectancy is directly related to having to settle for medicaid or awful exorbitantly overpriced private hc. America is driving the biosphere towards a repeat of the Permian extinction event. Israel is a national socialist state sweaty. The unitary executive has rendered such knowledge frivolous and a form of status signaling between spiritless political science insects, AOC is a woman of elan and will.

>>12523990
the rate is lower because more people are working, yes
but a lot of those working people now have to work multiple unstable jobs to survive whereas before many of them got by with one
the point, AGAIN, is not this pedantic hair-splitting over an unfelicitous turn phrase, but that the labor market is not as vigorous nor as robust as the numbers suggest. what the low unemployment figures mask is lower qol for more people.

>>12523994
She should run in 2020 before her 15 minutes are over

>>12522496
implying /pol/ is anything but twitter screencaps: the board:

>>12523928
>unemployment is LOWER because more people are working MORE jobs
Guy A and Guy B are standing in a room. Guy A has a job, Guy B doesn't. The unemployment rate in the room is 50%. How many jobs does Guy A have to have to lower the unemployment rate in the room under 50%?

>>12524071
Hi! Just wanted you to know that I'm ASEXUAL! Pleased to meet you.

>>12524071
it would go better for you if you could just admit you don't understand

>>12524087
it would go better for you if you could just make an argument

>>12524101
guy b accepts guy a's offer to wipe his ass for him, and to trim his toenails. teeth only. these are separate job offerings, but guy b accepts both because each only pays enough for half his living expenses. job positions in the room have TRIPLED thanks to guy a's crucial role as job creator, and unemployment is now at a literally unachievable 0%. this would be the case even if guy b only filled one of thw available positions, but he's a real go-getter, and he loves his new boss.
what a wonderful world.

>>12523990
>I care because AOC is a retarded balloon of hot air who knows nothing about anything (economics especially) and yet she's hailed as this messianic figure and the democratic answer to Trump.

Yeah, and if that's your opinion you should just not vote for her instead of giving yourself a heart attack at the age of 50.

>>12524135
Good work, you figured out how to stop conflating job positions with unemployment. I'm putting a gold star sticker next to your name on the good boy board.

>>12524136
Thats not how politics works. Retards ought to be called out.

>>12524151
this isn't about my ego
it's about your deliberate attempt to muddy the waters and detourn a straightforward point into an attack on a political opponent's character
you disingenuous slime

>>12524186
>straightforward point
the cunt was talking about unemployment. So she's either so retarded that she doesn't know how unemployment works, or she's so retarded that she mixes unrelated terms together. In either case, this confusion is all on her and it's not 'straightforward' at all. If it were, then she'd just be blatantly wrong.

>>12524186
>this isn't about my ego
Who brought up your ego?
>it's about your deliberate attempt to muddy the waters and detourn a straightforward point into an attack on a political opponent's character
Motherfucker she said that the same number of people working more jobs alters the unemployment rate, implying that 'unemployment' and 'percentage of people unemployed' are separate statistics, which they literally aren't.

>>12524231
>>12524253
https://mobile.twitter.com/aoc/status/1019342875841187840?lang=en

>>12524231
>>12524253
>>12524267
fed data on unemployment does not track gig work or 1099 status

>>12524267
>CLEARLY, unemployment is unchanged by the # of jobs each person has.
In what way? If I got 1000 jobs tomorrow, what happens to the unemployment rate?

>>12524296
please read carefully before posting again

>>12524367
not an argument

>>12524500
no point in arguing with someone that can't understand what is being said
might as well be talking to a plant

Considering that he literally tried to create philosopher kings in the most autistic way possible, I'd he at the least meant it both ways.

>>12524508
>"unemployment is unchanged by the # of jobs each person has"
>How?
>"ur dumb"

/leftypol/ think tank at work

>>12524529
group a: n=100
95 have one job
unemployment rate of group a: 5%
group b: n=100
75 people have 1 job; 20 people have 2 or more
unemployment rate for group b: 5%
are you still confused?

>>12522057
Pic related applies to these situations as well

>>12521842
>watch how i derail this thread completely

>>12524564
wait...

>>12521836
yes

>>12524617
>>12524267

>>12522090
AOC is as /lit/ as a politician gets. This is the first time I'm hyped for a politician. She's just everything that this shitty country needs.

>>12524665
I agree she's amazing and a breath of fresh air but she doesn't have anything to do with literature.

>>12524675
So what? There's nothing wrong about celebrating a badass woman.

>>12524665
>>12524695
> She's just everything that this shitty country needs
> There's nothing wrong about celebrating a badass woman

>>12524564
Disregard everything I've posted. I suck cocks.

>>12524713
>insecure machito

>>12524757
>you're not man enough to be a flagellating faggot

The world is indeed getting better, except for white people

>>12521836
Both.

>>12521836

>>12521913
>Our conception of race is the result of Europe's colonial history
It's cute that you repeat things your priests tell you

>>12523753
Awful post

>>12521848
Best post. The Republic is both practical and allegorical, much like Sun Tzu's The Art Of War

>>12521842
Way too hot to ever be my president

I though /lit/ was suppose to be the smart board.

>>12525981
She will win.

Too bad some ginger is the leading candidate for first man.

>>12521842
ice la fox in an oac porn parody when?

>>12525981
feel like literally any democratic candidate that runs against trump next election will have it in the bag, unless they pick someone like hillary again lmao

>>12526919
dude trump has more campaign cash in his war chest than any sitting president in history, and the main argument against trump was that he was worse than hitler, but after 2 years all that happened is the stock market went all time high and unemployment went all time low, oh and he's winding down the war in afghanistan something neither bush nor obama could do, if you think some phoney doofus like corey booker isnt going to beat trump you're buggin, the dems are just throwing overly ambitious losers to get ground up by the trump machine, oh and the dems new push for post-birth abortion ain't gonna win over any voters, in fact many hispanics (who dems bet the whole farm on) find abortion abhorrent, moreover, blacks aren't gonna be too happy that governor coonman has refused to resign, not a good look, and trump strong support for israel means most of the jewish community will have to support him despite public liberal virtue signaling, face it man, trump has it in the bag, dems blew it again and it didn't even start yet

>>12526919
dude trump has more campaign cash in his war chest than any sitting president in history, and the main argument against trump was that he was worse than hitler, but after 2 years all that happened is the stock market went all time high and unemployment went all time low, oh and he's winding down the war in afghanistan something neither bush nor obama could do, if you think some phoney doofus like corey booker is going to beat trump you're buggin, the dems are just throwing overly ambitious losers to get ground up by the trump machine, oh and the dems new push for post-birth abortion ain't gonna win over any voters, in fact many hispanics (who dems bet the whole farm on) find abortion abhorrent, moreover, blacks aren't gonna be too happy that governor coonman has refused to resign, not a good look, and trump strong support for israel means most of the jewish community will have to support him despite public liberal virtue signaling, face it man, dems blew it again and it didn't even start yet

>>12526919
good luck with that

>>12523743
you’re shilling monetary policy because of one shithole third world country? that’s a weak argument and you fucking know it.

>>12523622
literally all metrics are fucking relative. you should kill yourself for being such a retard.

>>12523771
Imagine believing lower wages don’t affect you.

>>12526919
would that include an asexual candidate?

>>12523771
>get a new job where you produce 11$ of goods a day for 6$ an hour
>get a job after that where you produce 11$ of goods a day for 5$ an hour
>nothing has happened because Africans are finally coming out of anarchy’s for the first time
pure mental gymnastics

>>12527052
>nothing has happened because Africans are finally coming out of anarchy’s for the first time

what i thought anarchy is supposed to be good? now you tell me its bad

>>12527076
why would I do that?

corporate dems will fund someone to defeat aoc next election cycle, and if that doesn't work will gerrymander her district out of existence like they did to kucinich, she'll just end up a commentator on some left wing blog like the intercept in ten years, which is why the dems are such losers, they finally have a rockstar that millenials love and their first instinct is to find a way to get rid of her

>Still, he alluded to other actions in his past and disclosed that in 1984 he won a dance contest in San Antonio where he wore dark shoe polish on his cheeks as part of a Michael Jackson costume. He seemed ready to demonstrate his moonwalk in response to a reporter’s question, but the teary-eyed first lady dissuaded him.

oh man democrats are a fuckin trip