/lit/ - Literature

>canceled YA
And nothing of value was lost

>>12510320
Why are you so fucking cancerous, you worthless fucking nonce. At those people are actually doing something with their lives? What have you achieved with the precious oxygen you've been using up. What has your mom to show for the painful labour she went through bringing you into this world? You're insignificant and dim-witted. You're so desperate for something to distract you from the fact that you don't fucking matter at all.

but does she have nice feet

>>12510320
>6 figure debut
You have got to be shitting me. Is there a market here? Should I change my pen name to Ching Chong Ling Long and pretend to be a women whilst I right schlock about a teenage girl who empowers herself taking over an evil empire?

YA is dominated by women, and there is nothing women like more than destroying other women. Especially if said woman is more attractive than them.

>>12510366
You can't write, but if you could, I would recommend doing this. However, once you get caught, you'll be likely sued.

>>12510359
all asians do

>>12510563
>You can't write
like that ever stopped anyone

>>12510563
>implying you or this chick can

That's what happens when your sales figures are determined by how much you virtue signal.

>>12510563
Are you knowledgeable about the industry?
Is YA really the best bet if you want to make money as an author?

>>12510359
sadly no. they're huge and square and hairy, and they remind you somehow of 1960s-era NFL

but she's got a good heart

>>12510320
cunt.

>>12510568

My ex gf had horrible feet.

Be careful.

>>12510320
Rkasties

>>12510681
Why would that be a red flag?

She played the game too well and rose too fast. Her swarthy peers started sabotaging her career under various false pretexts.

Remarks from her agent.

>>12510611
Yes. YA is a good way to make money, mainly because most booktubers that are popular are pretty/quirky 19-30 year old girls that were weened on a diet of YA and still read it.

>>12510586
We're going to find out if one of us can. How far are you along in your manuscript?

>>12510343
Are you the same one who was just posting in that thread about writing women characters? You have serious issues, dude. Time to take a break from the internet.

Can someone explain this to me? Is the whole persecute person with special powers, à la X-men, anti black now somehow?

>>12510381
and this one is rather attractive, so much so that I'd like dilate her anal sphincter with a speculum and fill that void with large helpings of baby oil, only for my glistening chode to dive within, and for her to subsequently let out a natural, transparent chime of braaaps. Etc.

>>12510710
Wh*te "people" can't be oppressed or discriminated against.

>>12510563
I thought pen names and pseudonymes are not uncommon? Are there really legal ramifications if Max Mustermann is not really an exotic german, but just the pseudonym of Wan Han, average Canadian?

>>12510320
>https://www.vulture.com/2019/01/ya-twitter-forces-rising-star-author-to-self-cancel.html
>“I’ve been asked several times why I didn’t write a Chinese #ownvoices novel. I don’t want to be boxed into the permanent ‘Other;’ I want diverse books written by PoC to become part of the mainstream.”)
She did nothing wrong, that's the mindset pocs should take. To the ivory tower liberal, a chinese person may ONLY write about being chinese, a negro may ONLY write about being negro, a woman may ONLY write about being a woman. God forbid a chinese tries to write a generic YA fantasy or a woman tries to write a historically-accurate historical fiction where all the characters of import are men. How DARE they?
>but women and minorities should be able to do anything a white male can do--
Nope, not today's backwards land shitlibs. They're too retarded to breathe, we should just mercy kill them all.

>>12510776

This is so weird.

>>12510787
Germans aren't PoC so that's a nonargument in the logic of the people that would scream over John James, straight white male, writing as Han Xin Bao, author of the traditional chinese feminist fantasy novel Dragon Rises as Sun Sets

>The cast of characters was ethnically diverse, but the book does have issues with racism. Using prejudice against magic powers as a stand-in for racism is incredibly problematic, especially if that prejudice targets white people as well, which will always read as an implicit "reverse racism exists." On top of that, the author introduced chattel slavery and killed off underdeveloped characters of colour.

>I was also disappointed that there wasn’t any queer, genderqueer, or disabled rep. I'm not counting the villainous crime lord who walks with a cane since I wasn’t even sure from the text whether he actually was disabled. Either way, having your only disabled character be a villain is a huge issue, and more so if he’s only pretending to be disabled.

>All in all, I can't in good conscience recommend this book to anyone.

>>12510787
They're very common. Technically, J.K. Rowling was a pen name intended to sound like a male. But, I wouldn't want to be a guy larping as a black female for diversity bucks—especially if your publisher is on the horn about it.

>>12510856
That's transgenderraceophobic anon and I hope you feel bad about insulting Anon's wizard powers which just makes the whole thing worse than slavery tbph

>>12510828
>walking with a cane is ableist because you're pretending to be disabled
How can these people be even remotely functional in their daily lives?

>>12510828
These are great reasons not to recommend a book
Jesus Christ im in tears over here

>>12510738
He doesn't think they'll ever let her publish anything, does he? Now that they know she'll crumble under pressure they'll never stop giving her shit.

>>12510828
there's something hilarious about the fact that there are YA "influencers" who police the authors they read and have the ability to crush them if they do not conform to reader expectations, i.e. push out the same slop over and over

the increasingly frustrating life of a YA author on the cusp of mainstream breakthrough constantly having to dodge these clout-wielding shithawks would make a fun little novella

>>12510810
It's almost as if I was making fun of these people.

>>12510856
Eh, if your book is good, it should sell. The publisher and author that are the first to tell the mop to sit down and be quiet will get a lot of positive publicity. It's not like a majority of people want books censored.

what are characteristics of the YA genre that aren't obnoxious, gay and stupid?

>>12510343
>"Waaah respect my unoriginal market slaves shitting up Western literature to sell to degenerate lonely women"
No

>>12510586
>Implying anyone can

>>12510923
Being published before 1996

>>12510916
It depends on the publisher.
Some will sell your book, give you an company agent, etc, but not campaign your book. Others will invest in advertising. Also, tons of trash gets published and tons of good books can't get published.

It's MFA-tier. It's a way to make money and still be a "writer"

>>12510343
Mad

>>12510785
Anyone can be discriminated against.

>>12511001
Someone hasn't received the memo

>>12511016
Someone doesn't have a fucking brain.

>>12510828
She's right about one thing: "reverse racism" doesn't exist. I dont understand the mental gymnastics that lead one to say being racist against whites is literally impossible.

>>12510881
>How can these people be even remotely functional in their daily lives?

It's just a mask to conceal petty jealousy. They don't actually care.

>>12511016
If that memo was written by someone living under a rock, then yes, I suppose I missed it.

>>12510959
Sure, but in this case, the author already has a publisher. If you self publish, why care about SJWs at all?

>>12510909
>the increasingly frustrating life of a YA author on the cusp of mainstream breakthrough constantly having to dodge these clout-wielding shithawks would make a fun little novella

Imagine if Kafka was alive today!

Who else could it be?

>>12511001
nice try, bigot
*cancels your book*

>>12511150
Is he talking about the supreme gentleman Eliot Rodger?

>>12510909
YA is very basic shit. It's the literary equivalent of a telenovela or a Big Mac. The readers are borderline retarded due to this and can't be bothered to be challenged by the material they consume in any shape or form. They want simple gratification without having to feel uncomfortable or using their heads. I have little pity for YA authors because what do you expect writing for this kind of demographic?

>>12511167
We can smell the pseud emenating from you. Light books have their uses whenever one wants a book but can't commit to concentrate deeply, such as when commuting or traveling.

>>12511122
Oh, well if you're self-published with no hype-train then don't worry because no one will buy or read your book.

>>12510359
Stand still.

>>12511198
I'm not saying this isn't the case but those kind of books also (overwhelmingly) attract an audience that doesn't want to leave their comfort zone and prefers the echo chamber just like they prefer simplistic plots with simplistic themes.

>I bullied someone over something I knew shit about but it is her fault for not spoon-feeding me
Hmmm...

>adults who read books written for children are emotional, petty, and vindictive
Shocking

>>12511228
>people who whine about being discriminated against based on their appearance and preconceived ideas discriminate against something based on its appearances and preconceived ideas.
I first find the irony delectable. But then it enrages me that they're so far up their own asses they don't even realize it's ironic.

>>12511203
If your hype train is the kind of mouthbreathers shown in this thread, then you picked the wrong demographic.
But let's take an author at the same level of success as this woman just self published. Would that author had any reason to pull their novel? Would the outrage have affected sales negatively?

>>12510320
It's basically a book burning for thought crimes.

the cancellation of the pussy and other tales

>>12510741
>
Most booktubers are not cute, but chubby girls with pounds of make up on

>>12510772
So, its not just me, there really has been some particularly retarded hostility going around in todays threads

>>12510828
>written by a white woman

Wow! I hope she is able to see how problematic it is for a white woman to silence WOC voices.

>Tip of the day: When someone says POC, assume they are alluding to the deceased America rap artist Tupac Shakur.

>>12511167
yeah most of them are probably get-rich-quick grifters or bitter failed novelists but i imagine at least a few are good people who just want to tell a decent, simple story and maybe inspire a couple of young people to read, and instead they get this clique-y psychotic crab bucket audience of developmentally stunted adults

>>12511263
This is getting oddly specific. Let me see if I have this right:
If a self-published author enjoyed the same level of success (despite how incredibly unlikely this is) of a published author assisted by posing as a minority to trawl for publicity, would their sales be effected as negatively?

I guess I don't really know what would happen. I assume since you did it in bad faith, your readership would dry up since you would, in fact, be pandering to the mouthbreather demographic that based their purchase off of your cooked-up identity. You would have a hard time moving future books I'm guessing. BUT, if your book was positively stunning... who knows? But why pose as someone to begin with if your book was that good? If your book was that good, you wouldn't be self-publishing.

>>12511283
Listen here nigger, I'm going to marry galatea van outersterp and I'm going to slice your little pee-pee off when I find you.

>>12510320
I don't understand why anyone listens to twitter. It's not like there's even that many of them, it's not like they can muster an army. What is the source of their power, why do people give a single fuck?
Is it through the gambit of social media marketers inflating twitter's importance to corporate marketing groups?
They represent a tiny ideological minority of a tiny very online minority of americans. They are nothing.

>>12511491
>by posing as a minority to trawl for publicity
Hu?
No, I'm talking about an author at the same level of fame as the woman from OP who's for any reason getting attacked by SJW. You think that author would lose sales if they told his critiques to fuck off?

>>12510828
Is this trolling?

>>12511526
>tiny ideological minority
You missed the news when they harassed the MAGA hat kid and his family and peers to the point the school canceled their schedule due to threats?

>>12511549
it takes <100 people to accomplish that. <50 people ever participated in the lulz shit from the old /b/.

>>12510828
These "people" are like characters in a hyperbolic satire. How can they have such a complete lack of self-awareness is honestly beyond me.

>>12511542
We're getting some crossed wires, because the original root of this conversation was about using pen-names.

Anyways, attacking critics is a bad look if you're an author. You can write Infinite Jest or Ulysses and critics will shit all over it. Will it cost you sales lashing out at them? If it does, probably not an insubstantial amount. Hell, it might even get you sales. The real issue is how attacking critics looks from the outside, and that is (of course) petty.
The only time you should do this is if you somehow become famous and are a keynote speaker or some shit, than you should be ready to lay down some brickbats. Otherwise there is no point in engaging these people aside from dismissing their criticisms or making light of them. Something-something idiots will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

>>12511526

???

pls amelie just publish ur book don't let a couple of one stars from twitter teenagers censor u. make ur money.

love u

>>12511578
Interesting but I think this is more a theory accounting for positive feedback loops in social media in general rather than those positions' apparent significance to multinational corporations.

>>12511593

There's an interview about Woke Capitalism here if the subject interests you.

https://parallaxoptics.wordpress.com/2018/11/12/on-woke-capital/amp/

She cute

>>12511576
Alright, alright. I got confused a bit, too. But do you really call these people critiques? Nobody should take them serious. In the past they always deflated once challenged, because nobody actually agrees with them.

>>12511662
Every shitheel is a blogger or YouTube critic these days. I mean do it at your own discretion if you're seriously staring down the barrel of self-publishing. But I would never dignify these people with a response or get into the trenches with them. Especially if you've vetted your material with a number of beta readers and editors. You sure as fuck don't fold over to them either though. Take proper criticism from actual professionals and normal people and avoid petty squabbles people that want to warp your material. If want to talk them because you feel they may have mischaracterized your work, DM them and speak with them privately, but avoid public spats.

>>12511662
Enough people agree with them to further the growing trend of publishing nothing but trash (at least in America)

>>12510587
maybe you should read the article, sister.

>>12510681
this person doesn't even know she's a fascist, but she is the worst kind of fascist.

>>12511759
Read this gem here. >>12510828
The only people that agree with them are their liberal arts professors and only so because these people copy their opinions from authority.

>>12511742
I'm not saying to come out and attack them. It's enough to not retract ones work. A simple statement that that's their opinion and yours is different, essentially politely telling them you don't care is all that's needed.

>>12510798
A disgusting level of undergrad entitlement here.
These people are the embodiment of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". Emphasis on little.
Btw, all of these conclusions drawn from a book they haven't read, and hasn't been published. All based on SJW-generated rumours and jealous gossip.

>>12511782
>The only people that agree with them are their liberal arts professors and only so because these people copy their opinions from authority.

Ok but its still enough to co-opt entire sections of the industry with no end in sight as of now (look at the Hugo awards). A minority of people agreeing with them isn't a good thing when that minority is disproportionately placed in positions of power

>>12510681
>Is 25
>Hasn't moved on from YA

>>12510828
I wonder if these people can go an entire lifetime thinking like this, or if they grow up at one point and feel the shame of the harm caused by their past stupidity.

>>12511770
She's getting attacked by other authors, dumbfuck. Maybe you should read more than the headline.

>>12511817
>(look at the Hugo awards)
Pls explain I don't know about whatever has happened.

>>12511830
it's got nothing to do with her virtue-signalling tho

>>12511837
t.brainlet.
It has with the other authors attacking her so they can virtuesignal. All the authors mentioned in the article are black wymyn. Because their sales are dependent on their virtuesignalling, they pounce on any prey they spot to tear it to shred.

>>12511831
https://www.latimes.com/books/la-et-jc-nk-jemisin-hugo-awards-20180821-story.html

Jemisin won for 3 books written in 3 years arguably for no reason other than being an AA female author. Even fans of hers don't universally the last two books in her trilogy really lived up to "best book of the year". The virtue signaling is so prominent that she had to tweet this a couple weeks ago "Folks. I did not write a book last year. Do not nominate me for a Best Novel Hugo again. (WTF) I didn't think I had to say that, but apparently I do."

https://twitter.com/nkjemisin/status/1083477419443609603

>>12511198
Embarrassing, get the fuck out

>>12511876
Don't lie. Your mom raised you better. Even you sneak in a bookburger from time to time.

>>12511891
Not the guy you're responding to but I agree with him. If you resort to YA when you're looking for a nice relaxing read then you are kinda dumb af. Do you watch Saturday morning cartoons instead of intellectually draining things like Law and Order too?

>>12511854

This, sadly, leads to impostor syndrome.

>>12511938
is it really imposter syndrome if you just finally realize that you've been performing a neo-minstrel show for most of your career?

>>12511782
I wouldn't give them the dignity of a (you) honestly, because that's what they're after.

>>12510828
This legitimately reads like something a /pol/ user would write as satire, or to bait other polfags

>>12510679

What was bad about them? All tootsies sux0r if the girl doesn't have good hygiene.

>my former creative writing professor got nailed for this just recently but I graduated before I could witness the shitstorm firsthand

>>12511891
My mom raised me abysmally and no I don't read ya ever. I watch dumb movies if I feel like doing nothing, mostly horror

>>12510828
Somebody should write a satirical fantasy YA novel in which every single character is a trans-disabled-genderqueer-polymorphic-poc-whatevernonsense and these people would probably praise it.

getting tired of wokeness tbqh

>>12510798
Doesnt she think it’s odd that magic users make up 6% of the population, but committ 100% of magic related crime?

>>12511821
SJWs always eat their own.

>>12512175
No, not if by "somebody" you mean "somebody on /lit/", as we're all white males.

aLright one of you fucks tell me how to write stories targeted at vlogging womenchildren and make 6 digits

>>12510366
Won't work, you have to literally suck off someone at the publisher to get this sort of deal.

>>12512504
Anne rice has better things to do than hang around /lit/

>>12512504
Write harry potter but change genders and skin tones, also throw in smartphones and ditch magic for teenage angst that adult women can identify with

>>12512504
Create a main character they can identify with. Mediocre but with hidden potential, pretty but not overly so, insecure about something, "nerdy" hobbies. Add a healthy dose of wish fulfillment. For women that is being desired, being amazing and being powerful; keep the arduous training to a minimum. Keep setbacks emotional and not physical. If your ninja girl main character loses to the villain, have somebody else suffer the consequenses and have your main character grief and angst over it. Lastly, keep it a cut above average IQ but not so high that 120IQs need to concentrate.

Oh and a dash of verboten in matters of love.

>>12510978
What does this even mean? YA would get laughed out of almost any MFA program. There are problems with mainstream literary fiction, sure, but this comparison just seems uninformed.

>>12512837
what are the big trends in YA now, anyway? i swear to got it can't still be witches and werewolf vampires, dystopian hamfisted media allegories in 2019. there has to be something for these black jewish lesbian protagonists to actually do

>>12510320
>In the past, this sort of grumbling over imperfectly woke books has sometimes grown into a five-alarm social-media fire replete with vote brigading, form-letter writing, and petitions to cancel publication. But whether Blood Heir might have eventually become a target of animus on the order of The Black Witch, American Heart, or The Continent, we’ll never know. Just as Twitter was beginning to fan the flames of the controversy, Amélie Wen Zhao — who had been silent since before @LegallyPaige first accused her of plotting against book bloggers — gave her first and (for now) last statement on the matter. She had not intended to evoke an offensive analogy to American slavery, she said, but she had nevertheless asked Delacorte not to publish her book.

From this article the YA "community" appears to be a horrible backstabbing place full of woke POC intent on striving to the top of their niche. It looks absolutely toxic.

honestly i feel sorry for her. black sjw are obsessed with playing oppression olympics and will call every and anyone anti-black just to feel righteous and destroy anyone that isn't black, especially other poc who they think are stealing their victim identity turf

>minority tries to write about something other than their own victimhood
>gets hounded into cancelling their book
hmm

>>12510320
SJWs realize lynching can be brought back, right?

>Zhao had plagiarized a death scene from The Hunger Games, lifted a line from Tolkien, gotten the conventions wrong on her Russian-inspired characters’ names, and indulged in problematic world-building by putting a slave auction scene in her book — in which a black character was ignominiously killed off.
LE EVIL SJWs ARE KILLING YA FICTION

>>12510320
Fuck niggers tbqh

>>12510359

can someone on twitter inquire after her feet? i think that could win her a new audience

>>12511821
A lot of these people are in their 30's, they're not naive kids

>>12513110
desu its mostly white women who care about this shit

>>12510563
>you'll be likely sued.
why?

It's not rare for people to use pen names. Also women used to publish under male pen names, like Currer Bell and A.M. Barnard

>>12510563
>you'll be likely sued.
Sued for what?

You're allowed to publish under any name you choose.

>>12511034
What she means is that you can't be racist towards white people, she's saying the opposite of what you think she's saying.

>>12513317
>and the charge of racism, led by a series of caustic tweets from YA fantasy author L.L. McKinney
>It’s worth noting here that the role of Asian women within YA’s writers of color contingent has been a flashpoint for conflict before — one that led Zhao to butt heads with YA queen bee Justina Ireland in May 2018. After Ireland wrote a (since deleted) tweet that some readers interpreted as exclusionary gatekeeping of the “POC” label, Zhao launched a long thread asserting that Asian women are, indeed, women of color, including some pointed language about those who would suggest otherwise.

two black women trying to destroy her because she's not black. white women are irrelevant except as easy targets

>>12511626
Amusing how the guy being interviewed sounds like a 4channer.
Will I ever see Moldbug mentioned in a non-meme context.

>>12512175
It could actually be pretty good. I kinda feel like doing that.

>>12512175
poltards lack the necessary subtlety to pull that off

>>12510828
look at the the schnoz on this one, unreal

>>12510320

>>12514023
>transcendent to earthly
lame

>>12510828
dat resemblance

>>12511324
Sweety, they are not a woman but a 26-year-old disabled queer agender human who enjoys rambling about books, diversity, and disability. They mostly read fantasy, science fiction, and non-fiction history books, and they really love bumblebees.

>>12511891
I read high quality children's literature if I need something light.

I seriously couldn't stop from laughing reading the summary of this book. Nothing has given me greater hope that I can publish someday

>In the Cyrilian Empire, Affinites are reviled and enslaved. Their varied abilities to control the world around them are unnatural–dangerous. And Anastacya Mikhailov, the crown princess, might be the most monstrous of them all. Her deadly Affinity to blood is her curse and the reason she has lived her life hidden behind palace walls.

>But when Ana’s father, the emperor, is murdered, her world is shattered: Ana is the one framed as his killer. To save herself, she must flee the safety of the palace and enter a land that hunts her and her kind. And to clear her name, she must find her father’s murderer on her own. Yet, what Ana finds is far worse than she ever imagined. A greater conspiracy is at work in Cyrilia, one that threatens the very balance of her world. And there is only one person corrupt enough to help her get to its rotten core: Ramson Quicktongue.

>A cunning crime lord of the Cyrilian underworld, Ramson has sinister plans–though he might have met his match in Ana. Because in this story, the princess might be the most dangerous player of all.

This whole thing of course is just THE prime example of how these young left-lib people eat each other up. The only people who actually listen to lefties are other lefties, plain and simple. They're the only ones that buy into the ideology, but the ideology is inherently "transgressive", IE confrontational, even predatorial. It requires argumentation. If the only people who will argue with your are your ostensible allies, then fuck them. It's just like when the BLM float stopped the Toronto pride parade a few years ago, and demanded the people running it banned uniformed police from the event. Lefties eating lefties.
The only exception to this are boomers, who think this new wave of identity politics is cool- thus their unholy alliance with millenial yuppies created the ultimate evil: Woke Capital

>>12514925
I've unironically written better plots for my Dungeons and Dragons game

>>12514925
It got published because she was a young Chinese woman, not because she was a good writer. It doesn't matter how good a writer you think you are, anon. One day, you'll have to convince a middle-aged woman, most likely with left-wing views, in a publishing house that you deserve to be published instead of the hundreds of other manuscripts she's sitting on.

>>12515133
I love middle-aged women.

>>12515136
But do they love you?

>>12511283
Chubby girls are cute and soft,anon

>>12515141
I like to think so.

>>12515157
She's nice, but I've never seen a woman in publishing that looks like that.

>>12515136
>>12515156
This is now a milf thread
Fuck YA and fuck jannies

>>12510978
most 25 Year old MFA fags write 1000 page manuscipts so up its own ass the title to every one of them should be THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT SHIT EVER TO BE WRITTEN

>>12515133
>white people patting themselves on the back for publishing a chink
sssssurrrrrrrrrrrrre, it totally wasnt more likely "this shit could be the next harry potter"

>>12510320
>twitter forced
The greatest travesty of the last decade is that people got somehow convinced that what people say on twitter somehow reflects the opinions of the general public.

You can safely ignore what twitter says 90% of times.

>>12510320
The related links are some fucked up shit. Like Jesus Christ.

This dumbass kind of had it coming but the girl in the toxic article didn't do shit to nobody had no internet presence and got torn apart.

>>12515220
I'm sure it's a perfectly adequate book and I don't want to suggest that her success was based purely on her race and gender, but it absolutely gave her a competitive edge. I doubt anyone was expecting this to be "the next Harry Potter".

>>12510828
Imagine living like this

>>12515258
asians dont get sympathy from self exalting whites, they dont even like when too many of them apply to their pay for play papermills why would you think publishing industry made up of those same people would give a fuck

>>12510320
>A lady was told not to include minorities because it would just invite controversy
That is some self defeating fucking bullshit.

>>12513146
indeed

>>12510779
The "Etc." is a nice touch, I must admit.

but /lit/ leftists told me this sort of thing never happens in the world of writing

>>12510828
>As a diverse book blogger, I have a responsibility towards my readers to be honest, and being white, I especially don’t want to fall into the trap of glossing over racism in favour of other diversity issues. But that’s exactly what I did in my original review of Blood Heir, and I’m sorry. I currently only have a small following on this blog, but that doesn’t absolve me of the responsibility. However, I am glad to have the opportunity to remedy my mistake and to be even more aware of my potential pitfalls as a white reviewer of diverse books in the future. I won’t be pulling my punches going forward.

Half of her "review" is her confessing that her opinion doesn't matter because she is white...

>>12515520
Can't speak to the general world of literature but I highly doubt the YA industry is representative of all writing industries desu

>>12516546
What if you're wrong though and it is decently representative with the state of publishing as a whole?

>>12510320
They're Zoomers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0YsOMcy4qc&t=213s

>>12514101

Physiognomy is real

>>12511324
Maybe she's Jewish.

>>12511526

>>12514925
This reads like your average setting for a pen and paper RPG campaign with friends, not a fucking best selling book. What the fuck?

>>12515236
>You can safely ignore what twitter says 90% of times.
When is that remaining 10% that you can't ignore?

as someone who pretty much only reads nonfiction and historical fiction, I'm really enjoying myself in this thread so far. This is terrific.

>>12513516
And what anon means is that racism is racism, no matter what color you're racist against. Ergo, there is no "reverse" racism.

>>12517428

That's why some of her peers became vicious rivals/enemies overnight. She was given half a million bucks to pump out some silly little story that any of them could have written. The publishers all decided that pretty young Chinese female author writing a story set in a world inspired by Russia with anti-racism themes was the next big thing, and this made them all very mad.

>>12517465
I've made this same argument before.

>>12517467
>pretty young Chinese female
being honest here, this is probably the entire story itself

>>12517474
Apparently she "won" her book deal in a Twitter pitch for "marginalized" authors. Honestly, I think she was the only one who didn't offer up a Harry Potter rip-off or have an obvious chip on her shoulder.

>>12515278
I'm glad I can't.

>>12516265
You let this future happen. You could have stopped it but you didn't.

>>12511778
Fascist isn't a synonym for moralizing ideologue. It is a political movement with policy preferences and none of them involve this feminist nonsense.

>>12512504
Choose a classic and turn it into something you wouldn't read.

>>12510320
>anti-white bitch reaps what she sowed

>>12517529
Still, I’m with that other anon in this sense that it gives me hope that my own writing might be published. I’m planning a fantasy book that’s neither a Harry Potter nor Tolkien rip-off, so it seems like I have a better chance.

You know the world's gone batshit crazy when there can be such an uproar over the contents of a book that hasn't been published or read (except for apparently a single "critic") AND in the YA field.

>>12513919
And? Anon said ‘somebody’ should write it, that could mean anyone. How about YOU write it and show the “””””””poltards”””””” how it’s done.

>>12512504
>for a millenium, every girl in the Commonwealth has been matched with a state issued boyfriend.
>But not long after her 16th birthday, on the day of the Intertwining, Alyssia Stormtree's world is shattered when she is matched with TWO boyfriends.
>"There has been no mistake," said Grandmaster Bortu coldly,

>>12515278
it would be incredibly tense. if you were a self hating white, your sword could be turned against you at any moment.

>>12512504
make a shitty anime harem but reverse the genders. women eat that shit up.

>>12517898
>>12517919
fucking internet

>>12510320
>meanwhile Zizek parades his assortment of rape jokes and Stalin posters all over the place
They have as much power as you give them.

>>12512504
watch lifetime movies

>>12510779
What did he mean by this?

>>12517441
whenever trump is tweeting

>>12517856
You could have made your point with 10 less quote marks m8. I know this is 4chan but don't be sloppy. I'm watching you.

>>12517969
To be fair his tweets are cinematic.

>>12510788
This. What a time to live - to see an era in which supposed anti-racist activists are more racist than most Jim-Crow supporting southern democrats. At least the latter is fine with minorities writing and learning about things that do not pertain to their own race and experience. These "activists" are unwittingly going one step further, segregating people mentally as well as physically from one another; they are doing within a few years everything that white supremacists have attempted for decades.

>>12512197
underrated

>>12518062

Seconded.

>>12516265
This quote implies that she changed her review/opinion of the book only after the “problematic” and “racist” parts of the book. Lmao this person is just bandwagonning so they don’t appear insensitive.

>>12517778
I guarantee your average liberal on a college campus has no clue about this. Same goes for your average person. We’re looking at a small subset of the population here. The only reason it is being talked on /lit/ is because of zeitgeist on the board.

>>12518549
This same story plays out over and over everywhere now

>>12517764
>censoring the word extinct
What the fuck

>>12518651

The dreaded E word.

>>12515202
Wrong. Most write short storied or novellas. Maybe you're projecting.

t. New york mfa

>>12510776
>>12510798
What makes this especially shitty is that instead of attacking the X-Men or Dragon Age franchises, they went after someone they could actually hurt: a first generation immigrant woman PoC.

To a certain extent, I understand the point that they're making, but in no circumstance is it a point to ruin somebody's career over, and it's clearly not the sole reason they went after Wen Zhao.

>>12518908
what about your peers buddy?

>>12519058
They write YA, sci fi, fantasy, immigrant realist, pseudo pomo, fem fantasy like kelly link, memoir disguised as fiction, and some nice students of Chekhov or Faulkner.

>>12517900
99% of those self hating "whites" are actually jewish

>>12519112
>immigrant realist, pseudo pomo
what are some examples?

>>12518549
Shut up faggot.

>chink calling herself a person of color

nice

>>12519223

That's what this is all about fundamentally.

>>12519153
Not going to give specific examples, but one is an old guy who reflects before bed on how all the women he's had sex with are the same person in the end, but the grammar isn't consistent and there's no tense shifts or anything necessary for perspective, so it reads like an /r9k/ post without any of the irony.

A lot of writing isn't able to make fun of itself. It's a lot like writing threads here, if all you do is ignore advice from macarthur and mann booker writers you're paying for.

>>12510381
We have a winner. The latest female past time are wedding shame private groups on facebook where they pack attack other women for choosing the wrong flower arrangements, invite cardstock, and whatnot in their wedding photos. Petty sadists who love nothing more than crushing other women's joy.

>>12510381
>>12519659
the only thing women hate more than other women is Asian women, arguably because they are the womanest women.

>>12511778
Sorry what does this have to do with a Lombard revitalization movement to actualise their natural position as the head of the human race?

>>12512504
All women are overgrown children.
Sidestep the YA genre and stick to the tried and tested formula of teenage vampire erotica for 30-something catladies.

>>12519659
Fuck that pic is brutal.

>>12514925
The plot of Dishonored 1 but playing as the girl.

>>12515078
Or rather the Blacks inside the movement eating the naive Whites as easy prey.

>>12515280
It's more than the progressive stack. It's weak willed women getting bullied by aggressive high-test Blacks. The demur Asian women can not match the high aggression of the literary Serena William's of the YA world.

The might of the angry aggressive Black is what makes them right. The weak Prog cowers in fear of high-test Black aggression. It's cowardice more than ideology.

>>12519813
that's because it's illegal to be mean to black people

>>12515078
They're in the Cool Kids Club and want to be King Shit of Fuck Mountain. Nobody in the club of muscle car owners goes around making fun of regular jerkoffs driving regular jerkoff cars, but the guy with the Hemicuda is sure gonna look down on the guy driving the AMC Javelin. I, against my brothers, etc.

They went after her because it's twitter and that's what they do over there. No reason to look deeply into it.

I really think Im starting to lose my grip on reality.
I want out of this parody timeline

>>12520021
>and that's what they do over there
It should exist at all. You can't just pretend this nonsense exists in a vacuum

>>12510320
Sure, it's just worthless YA, but it's an indication of where the rest of the book world is going. Already publishers have 'sensitivity readers' to smooth drafts into a characterless paste suitable for social media idiots seeking anything to censor, and who knows how much self-censorship is going on behind the scenes.

We've already seen the effects of this kind of approach. Have there been any novels published in the past 20 years that might end up being future classics?

The ride never ends.

I have garbage writing skills
How do I write to at least the level of the "best" (lmao) YA books
Not high standards I know but help me learn to write, only need it for writing a draft for a creative project

The ride never ends II: Whitesplaining.

>>12520076
This image sums things up fairly well

>>12520100
>yikes

>>12520113
Is he culturally appropriating those noodles?

>>12520118
yikes, pretty problematic whitewashed advertisement. Are you kidding me? Couldn't find a single POC actor for a JAPANESE product?

>>12520118
LOL

STOP ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room. THIS is the real problem. It's a campaign of Black aggression.

>>12511034
It's such a bizarre argument and one that I think could have only sprung up in America by ignorant Americans. Just look at the Irish, the Poles, the Greeks and everything related to the Balkans, all in the last century. That wasn't just people calling them names either, it was quite often outright genocide.

>>12520132
The yikes is on you, my man. (unless you're trolling which you'd have to be)

why are there so many redditers in this thread

>>12510909
>clown stalinism
I've said it before and I'll say it again, reddit is the final proof that capitalism is worse than communism.

>>12520100
NIGGER II: Hitler Gets Blacked
COMING SOON

>>12520100
Why does no one ever speak of the indomitable pain of the albino? Suffering both the greif of niggerdom and the internalised whitesplaining-ableism of metawhiteness.
Should they not be instantly propelled to the top of the intersectional hierarchy?

>>12510563
>you'll be likely sued
more like pseud lmao

>>12517944
i think it's some kind of invocation ritual

>>12519659
is that sort of abortion legal though? i thought mid-to-late semester abortions werent allowed

>>12510381
Also she got a sizeable advance from her publisher to do her first book (with 2 more to come). The main women undermining her were other YA authors, so I wonder to what extent jealousy caused it.

>>12520469
Late term abortions are generally illegal. They are legal in North Korea and on the United States, albeit with extreme limitations. There has been some controversy there recently, with New York eliminating most of their legal limitations and a (failed) bill proposed in Virginia doing the same.

>>12518908
i forgot anyone could be sane here
wheres your program at?
i write and at some point want to join a quality workshop, just moved herr

>>12518908
Serious question--what lit/art journals do you think are good right now, and what seems to be trending? I'm stuck in St. Louis writing advertising and I want to figure ouy how to get out of this terrible no man's land.

>>12520695
submit to glimmer train before it closes.
end of feb

>>12520709
I've not heard of it before. Is there any particular interest that they seem to have? What do you like about them?

>>12520728
why don't you read what they publish and make that ascertainment yourself?

you won't get in. they have an acceptance rate as low as the new yorker.

>>12520760
Obviously I'd read it before submitting. But this is the first I've heard if it. I was just curious. Further, I'd asked bout recommendations to read, and you (or some other anon) told me to submit. Why them, especially if you're going to be pretentious about it? I'm not really concerned with whether or not their accept rate is better than the New Yorker. I only care if what they publish is better than the New Yorker. I really hope you're not the mfa anon, because this kind of behavior is precisely why literature is bad. You are more concerned with the prestige of acceptance than with the quality or relevance of the writing. Typical bougie badge collecting.

>>12520815
you're such a basic bitch. why do you need someone to tell you whether the quality of something is good or not, are you not able to discern that yourself? or are you such a sheep you can't even determine what publishers are good or not and need other people to tell you.
i have no interest in spoonfeeding you what's good or not because that's subjective. the acceptance rate is a simple objective measure, you autist.

>>12520840
Because I work 50 hours a week, and live in a city with no writing. I only have so much time and so much money. You criticize me for wanting others to "spoonfeed" me, but that's precisely what you are doing by caring about acceptance rate. After all, you're in New York studying for an MFA. You should be surrounded by good writing that hasn't even been submitted yet. Because you are there, I was curious about you opinion, but clearly your opinion is shit. Good job collecting a couple hundred gs in debt so you can act like a private school white girl who just spilled starbucks on her uggs. If writing is subjective, why the fuck would anybody want an objective measure you absolute degenerate fuck?

>>12520869
if you don't have the time to read, then you're not gonna make it. enjoy being a hack.

>>12520877
I'd rather be a hack than a fraud.

>>12520883
lol my CV filled with my publications is completely fraudulent. if that's what lets you sleep at night.

>>12510320
wtf is a "Young Adult"? fucking Americans

>>12520919
Ironically all mainstream adult fiction in America is written at the YA level. So YA is a meaningless label. It's just airport novels.

>>12520896
If you care more about the words on your resume than the words in your stories I'm not sire what to call you other than a fraud. I hope it's comfortable to sleep on a bed of your parents' money.

>>12520919
Books for adults that never graduated from Harry Potter. Mostly women.

>>12510828
Does this person also think harry potter is problematic because it implies reverse racism is real and everyone who enjoyed it as a kid was forever corrupted and turned out to be absolutely garbage human beings?

I wonder if this entity monetizes its blog and is just trying to write contentious bullcrap for the views n' clicks

>>12510738
>I’m listening and learning
If I ever utter this phrase, please just shoot me in the head

>>12520682
>mfa
The answer is that I never come on here except when I'm done workshopping stories for class and need a break. Mine's in NYC. It's expensive but you learn a lot and if you're smart with writing and reading and meeting people, great professionally. Don't go to NYU.

>>12520695
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh I have no idea. My professor just had us meet this publication called ZZYZZVA I think, and another professor publishes best short stories. I have no idea about anything contemporary, but if you google publications and their ranking, this one woman has listed them by tiers of popularity, circulation, and how much they pay you. Sorry man. I'm only here because I did this straight out of undergrad, but I can also tell you that the St. Louis MFA is held in higher regard, and the faculty seem pretty approachable.

>>12520840
>the acceptance rate is a simple objective measure, you autist.
lmao imagine believing this. bet you couldn't defend this with any philosophical sophistication because you are a basic bitch mfa faggot.

>>12517931
This. The people most subject to the rules of the game are those who choose to play in the first place.

On that note I love how these PC types eat themselves alive. It's an ouroboros of petty offense jealous rage.

>>12521175
Hey, thanks for the info anon. Really glad you're not the guy who responded to me first. I've been turned off by The New Yorker and the Paris Review, so I'm glad the credentialism isn't as prevalent as it seems from the outside.

>>12521154
>Does this person also think harry potter is problematic

Maybe. Many in the YA ambit have turned against the author. Offenses multiply with every passing year.

>>12520815
hey dudes, sorry, that guy isn't >>12521175
me.

I'm sorry to say I don't know more about publications than your general google could give you, and it's actually the thing that gives me most anxiety after graduating, because I never send anything out.

But I will tell you that one of my professors brought in the editor at the New Yorker, who joked she'd rejected my professor several times, and that your best bet starting out is to find regional journals when you're beginning, and work up a portfolio of stories.

One of my professors graduated from my program and his first book did horribly, profit wise, but here's what he said if you got a book that you've revised 20 times (editors can tell)
Find your favorite contemporary authors, look at their thank yous and acknowledgements for their agent's names, then contact that agent and say you're a big fan of the authors they represent, and that you think your book might interest them too.

Everyone who's actually editing below New Yorker seems incredibly approachable and friendly, open to giving you a shot, but my advice is try to give your most polished and self-representing stuff the first time, because while people are helpful, you're also one among thousands.

Hope this makes sense, I'll be up and editing for an hour. Ignore that one dude. At my undergrad, this one cunt was so concerned with winning writing awards, would tell people I only got into my MFA because I let my mentor fuck me, but all that time they were asking questions like "but did you win any awards ever?" and I'd say I never did, I just had progressive years where I got better at what I was trying to say.

>>12519813
This is true

>>12520709
>Pay $21 to submit to a dead journal only read by people who have been published in the journal and their ashamed parents.

>>12521208
Thanks, really appreciate the follow up. Beyond mags/journals, are there any trends/movements that seem particularly interesting to you right now? I'm so out of touch. What are the general conversations going on in non-/lit/ literature right now?

>>12510828
If there's any reason not to write YA, it's this - this will be your audience. And that's bad.

What the fuck is a "YA"?

>>12521342
Young Adult

>>12521342
Adulette Women

>>12521228
No worries, I'm out of touch too. I honestly think that following trends or movements is a losing situation, because by the time you can collect a bunch of art together and say "yeah, this represents something that's happening" it's either already happened or the name you're giving it was curated by a publisher. One of our faculty teaches the Latin Boom and discusses how it never existed outside Penguin, and he knows what he's saying because he's an exec editor there,

I generally don't read a lot of contemporary novels, but the ones I do I come across by reading what I like. Sometimes I'll come on lit and see Evan Dara mentioned, who I've read a bunch and emailed once, then I'll be reading Lanark by Alisdair Gray and this guy Sergio De La Pava comes up in related, because both of them published awfully late despite their talent. That's how I find stuff, how I interviewed one of them, and how my current workshop professor discusses writing too.

Conversations? It depends too, because some of the writers who teach also curate magazines or journals, and except for the MacArthur, all of their tastes seem to sway and move with where they are in their lives, because writing and what art you consume generally reflect that position in the world.

Orson Welles has this famous quote about an artist always being out of place with his time, and I think that makes much more sense than knowing what people want to hear, because I don't like the Franzens or Lispectors or Delilos of the world, and the art that I love or try to write feels out of sync too. My current professor feels the same way too, that people see a lot of "in the moment" things in his writing, whereas he's basing everything he knows off Hegel, but he's also just won a bunch of awards for his book, so maybe he's more right than the people creating Space Taoism thread #3927 on lit.

>>12510563
>However, once you get caught, you'll be likely sued.
I don't know why I laughed so hard at that.

>>12510343
Dumb faggot

>>12515156
Chubby girls give better head because they're hungry.

>>12521342
Yeast Allergic

>>12513266
You'd think that they are, but they're not.

>>12520076
This is what this world will become if we don't act now?

>>12511198
That's why you read Stephen King.

>>12521784
Not gonna lie. I read some of the books and enjoyed them. But I stopped when I read It. That weird sewer gangbang between 10 year olds weirded even 10 year old me out. After I masturbated.

>>12511854
>Folks. I did not write a book last year. Do not nominate me for a Best Novel Hugo again
kek

>>12521794
King is legitimately good. Is it strong literature? Not really, but the man writes a good story and pretty fucked up characters. Some of his books I'd even say are very good and I enjoyed immensely (Dolores Claiborne, Different Seasons, Misery). I've gotten to the point in my life where I know how much of a psued somebody is when they unironically shit on King without having read him.

>>12521694
>This is what this world will become
How can you be worried about that? What stuff like this demonstrates is that oddballs like this will attack each other at the slightest opportunity.

Anyone else wondering if this 'pulling her book' thing might just be a publicity stunt? Surely a publisher wouldn't care that much about stupid shit people say on Twitter?

>>12521916
It could be, but the YA world is a strange place. It's likely that she could foresee herself becoming a pariah in the subgenre, all because some people with influence claimed her first book had 'problematic' content. In those circles, she might as well have posed for pics in a MAGA hat and started quoting Jordan Peterson.

>>12521916
>Surely a publisher wouldn't care that much about stupid shit people say on Twitter
Online reputation seems to be hugely important for YA authors. Pretty sure shit like this can hurt sales a lot.

>>12521916
All of these YA publishers are full blown SJWs. They care a lot about what twitter says because they are the kind of idiots who post on twitter all day.

>>12522031
Interestingly, if you look at her Twitter apology you see hundreds of comments saying she should publish it, and very very few saying she 'made the right decision'.

On the other hand, the publishers would have to consider that virtually none of the people speaking up for free speech and against online bullying would actually be interested in buying a YA book.

>>12520255
But they deserved it, it was a small taste bbn of what they'd done to the poor defenseless blacks.

>>12520469
As of recently, abortion in the state of New York is legal up to the date of birth.

>>12520076
cant even tell if shes trolling or not

>>12520695
>I live in a provincial, shit-tier American city, am miserable, and write advertising copy, a job I hate.
I don't see why you don't just start that novel now, this is gold. You don't need an MFA at all. I'm not fucking kidding.

>>12520076
is this the kind of blubbering mass you turn into if you're a writer online and try to respond to every ostensibly woke criticism of your work? have enough self-respect to realize that you can't please every single Goodreads user who has a username like "Flame of Plath" and whose reviews are 70% gifs from CW shows.

Why are all these people so damned spineless, it's painful to watch.

>>12510916
>if your book is good it should sell
How naive you are! We’re discussing YA!

>>12521438
>Sergio De La Pava
Naked Singularity was amazing. Lost Empress felt... rushed. Blame the publisher?

>>12515136
me too anon ^_^

>>12511526
because lazy journalists for large publications can just post a few obscure tweets and then they blow up in the mediasphere where negative publicity nowadays means you're cancelled. I encourage you all to use adblock on any newspaper or news site that engages in this, I'd rather the traditional media die than have it turn into this.

>>12521694
I think and hope it's a generational phase like the boomers in the 60s and we'll go back to the apathetic 90s/00s mentality soon. Unless something catastrophic like an economic depression happens.

>>12523540
Not during the interview that's out there but around it, he said he was just trying to merge two concepts of the novel together, Invisible Man and Pride and Prejudice together, and that his biggest goal was making sure he didn't write Naked Singularity 2, Electric Boogaloo.

I think I liked Personae best, but what Lost Empress does best is its physicality and dialogue.

>>12523830
What the hell was with the screenplay format for the dialogue of Act 1?

>>12524025
It isn't a screenplay, it's a stage you're entering, a miniature world, and the seams of the world slowly fade as you move in. He begins with a Tempest Shakespeare intro, "let us give you peals of laughter"

If you wanna' know what he was trying, just google his latest interview, which some guy wrote in september.

>>12524084
Style over substance...ehh.

>>12524104
I mean, it can not be your cup of tea, but don't tell me that Naked Singularity is just a bunch of philosophical quotes and a boxing short story strung together with Bob Newhart dialogue. De La Pava's odd in that he isn't trying to be like Pynchon or Musil, who he likes, just write what satisfies his sense of craft, and in that I think we see a very 21st century sense of the US.

You should also check out his public talk with Paul Auster and Salman Rushdie, it's on youtube.

>>12524132
Don't get me wrong, he's still very impressive. That's why at first I thought that it was the publisher who pushed things along when they were a little half baked.

Maybe it's just a sophomore slump. He still has a lot of time, and he's still on a lot of people's radar.

That talk sounds cool, will check out.

>>12517898
lol

>>12524156
Yeah I agree, was just giving info I got from actually talking to the guy, and the nicest thing is he probably agrees with you, because he said he didn't think he succeeded.

You in the book world or just like them? Because knowing if he's talked about implies something.

>>12521175
t.rich boy whose parents paid for his Columbia MFA

>>12520076
>>12520100
I want to be a cyber fly on the cyber wall when classicists 2000 years from now try to peice together what the hell our generations were up to

>>12524301
Wrong mfa and gender

>>12524266
Oilfield engineer with too much time on my hands. Wrote a novel, about 70k words, given to wife to beta read.

At this point, it's a cheap hobby. DESU, the industry is shrinking and seems to be prone to people buying their contacts in the publishing industry via expensive MFAs and such. When money determines access, quality is doomed.

I've only seen him talked about here and another website. 4chan seems to have the best discussions and recommendations.

>>12524343
Apparently "To Be Honest" translates to DESU.

>>12514925
>Based on Russia
>Cyrillic empire
Jesus Christ

>>12524343
Sounds like my older brother desu, congrats on surviving ChemE
I recommend you send it out when you're comfortable, because publishers are getting tired of it too, some at least, just send it to the agents of whoever you want to be compared with.

I agree completely though, but I sadly think /lit/ is not a good place for literathre anymore. I actually discussed guy de maupussant on v awhile ago lol. Lithub is where all my undergrad friends go, and there you got Lethem getting his shit checked too.

>>12520695
>>12520709 is me

the idea for submitting to journals is to start with the best and move down. you don't want to start with a tier-3 journal and get accepted there if at tier-2 one could also have accepted it.

top journals
tinhouse
new yorker
ploughshares

good
guernica
five points
missouri review
gulf coast
zoetrope
antioch review
paris review
zzyzzva
glimmer train
granta
mcsweenys
kenyon
threepenny
shenandoah
BOMB
hazlitt

>>12524362
That's the plan, and maybe a couple of rounds of critiques/editors via Reedsy.

Too many memes on the site these days, but some conversations happen. I'll start checking out lithub more.

>>12524398
Great list, dude, that's a boon for everyone in this thread who's lurking, and I'd only caution that tin house is closing soon too, I heard from someome at another MFA.

The other important thing is read what these journals have submitted, and make damn sure you bring up how your story is a lot like one they published five years ago, because no one likes anyone who follows trends.

>>12521208
this is inaccurate

from prof who knows new yorker folk: as told by long time new yorker editor: "the amount of times we've published pieces from the slush pile i can can count on one hand"

>>12524429
Apologies if my grammar was poor, but that's what I meant, that the editor said your best bet was to apply elsewhere first. Thought I was being clear and helpful, cheers.

>>12524415
thanks

more advice ive gotten from published writers/prof: if given a chance to write a bit about yourself when you submit with submittable or whatever, definitely mention any professors or writers you know / workshopped with who have been published by that journal. easy way to do this is search people you know and find their websites and see where they've published

consistency with a journal is essential. i had a prof that really championed what i was doing and sent it to the editor of tinhouse, who liked the "innovativeness", but said the voice, even used archly, wasn't consistent with the journal

which means then that you're basically subject to the whims and themes of the established journals which i find annoying af when people dont want what you do, but it is what it is

>>12524504
Don't throw those away. Who do you liken your style to? Also check out Subtropics.

>>12524531
autistically borgesian stuff. fun to write but very few people like it, which is fine by me, but recently been getting a bit fed up with it

current work is roman a clef and satirical, because i find it fun and it channels my resentment

i will thanks. havent been writing much

>>12524557
Hey, it happens, and I get that about resentment, just don't let it get antisemitic or anything, unless that gets you a 180 to Celine, lol.

Sometimes I find it fun to just write in the exact opposite style I've been writing. Joy Williams' stories help me lately, and Gass has been pretty cool.

I dunno how to spoiler, but if you want a reader, link if you're comfortable, and if not, you're gonna be okay.

>>12524598
thanks
and lol, its more just pointing out the absurdities i encounter in my life (as well as my own absurdities)
>Sometimes I find it fun to just write in the exact opposite style I've been writing.
ive thought about that but never really tried it, good for you. i do like reading different styles, at least for my own erudition. williams is great. havent read Gass, which have you?

>>12524736
Ahh, try Ben Marcus' latest collection, and Kathryn Davis near you does that too. Deborah Eisenberg has a Paris review interview about this writing process and how she's just trying to represent a lot of things, even if she never begins her stories with ideas.

I read In the Heart of the Heart and Ornstetter by Gass, as well as Temple of Text


I think the writer that excites me most in the US right now is Paul Beatty, because he's like if Delilo or Murakami actually developed their language.

>>12524763
ive heard about marcus, not davis, thanks. and thanks for the interview tip.
what do you like to write?

>>12510320
She's quite pretty.

>>12525300
My problem is I like to write everything, so I'm not good at anything yet. I finished my first novel though, which is small and plays with Dara and Bernhard a little, but we'll see how it works.

I really like guy de maupussant and poe, and I think my writing goes between the two, I think a lot about natural dialogue and naming characters too.