/lit/ - Literature

>>12504936
It's, uh, not worth the "bother", friend. Now here, buy my books and let me spoonfeed you these thoughts which you should believe yet will never find me to live by. No, no, don't dare suggest that my philosophy is a charade I wear to make a living. No. I mean every word. Now buy these books of mine, and propel me to further celebrity. If you're lucky I might even give you an autograph.

>>12504936
He used to say that it was too late even for that and that he had to slander the univers even further

Because if he did, he would no longer be able to wish he were dead

>>12504966
Wtf i love Morrissey now

Why should he punish himself for something he never asked for

>>12504975
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>>12505143
>hurr durr world is pointless suffering I wanna die but excuse me gentlemen I'll keep living the life of a Parisian urbanite
he was a low iq brainlet who coped so hard about being unable to commit suicide, his worldview makes no sense whatsoever and if you think he's deep you should stop coping and just pull the trigger

>>12505195
>he was a low iq brainlet who coped so hard about being unable to commit suicide, his worldview makes no sense whatsoever and if you think he's deep you should stop coping and just pull the trigger
t. has never read Cioran
You retards are pathetic. How about you try reading what you're discussing

He was aesthetically depressed, but unironically suicidal

>>12505249
not*

>>12504936
too busy enjoying Eraserhead fame

>>12505195
Absolute idiot.

>>12504936
Is that Jack Nance? Lynch thinks a couple beaners beat him hard enough that he got brain bleeding.

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>>12505288
t. unironically thinks flies aren't conscious
Stop sipping the pop-science, "le unicerse dun care for us" narratives, and try maybe reading the philosophies of people who are actually seeking after truths instead of those attempting to spin their own egoic pseudopoeticisms into such, irreverent to reason, by people without the character to even live by their own philosophies they claim to believe in. Then again, the French intellectuals live to posture so I don't even blame them at this point, I've accepted them to live in their own microcosm wherein their seemingly neverending degeneracies are presented as some form of modern, innovative genius.

>>12505356
the philosophies of people who are actually seeking after truths instead of those attempting to spin their own egoic pseudopoeticisms into such, irreverent to reason, by people without the character to even live by their own philosophies they claim to believe in.

Truth seekers are the biggest egocentric maniacs. Have you actually read Cioran? His work is just a call for humility and resignation.

>>12505356
>>12506470
I forgot the green text

>the philosophies of people who are actually seeking after truths instead of those attempting to spin their own egoic pseudopoeticisms into such, irreverent to reason, by people without the character to even live by their own philosophies they claim to believe in.

Truth seekers are the biggest egocentric maniacs. Have you actually read Cioran? His work is just a call for humility and resignation.

>>12506478
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>>12505356
enuff internetz for 2day

>>12506478
>His work is just a call for humility and resignation.
he's an atheist who denies god but is still ultimately a christian

>>12506561
I've also thought this. He's probably a crypto christian coping with the death of god just like many romantics did but in edgier way.

>>12506691
În Tears and Saints he states that he considers himself more of a mystic of dread than a philosopher as philosophers are too detached from sainthood.

>>12504936
Because "eraserhead" wasn't that bad a film.

>>12505356
He was Romanian not French you retard.

>>12508861
He was both. He relegated that shithole, but of course couldn't stop being one of them, for better or worse. He Frenched himself pretty thoroughly though.

>>12508861
Lived and wrote in Paris most of his life, most books written in French, and superbly emulated the French in their trademark manner of "philosophizing". French is the label I will give him.

>>12506478
A call for humility? No, it's the same narcissistic school of "philosophizing" which began with Nietzsche, wherein you leave your own personal opinions in a delicate and pretentious set of aphorisms, all of which only highlight the immense egocentricism of the author, rather than any sort of attempt to honestly and sincerely determine truths. You think he's claiming truthseeking to be egocentric? He's just pushing his own narratives with the same matter-of-fact assertiveness.

Also I'm not intimidated by the implications of his "philosophy", and am here spinning my wheels trying to fend myself against his sentiments, I just despise the manner of philosophizing which Nietzsche began, wherein a person can now write a book on philosophy containing lines like:

"Bach's music is the only argument proving the creation of the Universe cannot be regarded as a complete failure. Without Bach, God would be a complete second-rate figure"

in a dainty little self-obsessed aphorism, and then legitimately publish these shower-thoughts directly into the realms of "philosophy" and "intellectualism", instead of a merely on their twitter or a lonely internet blog they run. It is the most vacuous, empty, pretentious mode of production that one can find of any field today, beginning with the clown we call Nietzche, and I also despise his hypocrisy on top of that, that he couldn't even abide to the philosophical implications he based his life around spreading. Absolutely talentless, vacuous, hypocritical, posturing, pathetic, pretentious, charlatan, pseud of a man and a great symptom of how low the standards for these fields have become today.

>>12509948
You seemingly didn't get much of Nietzsche past his theatrics (which can be grating I admit, at least in translation). Read Genealogy of Morals and try to follow the larger point he makes about human history and prehistory.

He was, despite the appearance, a rather acute and scholarly thinker.

As for your take on "self-obsessed aphorism", remember Nietzsche in his more snappy writings was emulating the French moralists he admired (such as Pascal, La Rochefoucauld, Fontenelle, even Montaigne). So that tradition is not only older than Nietzsche, you might find examples of it as far back as Antiquity with the apocryphal stories about Diogenes.

Same for the lack of acting on one own's philosophical conclusions, hypocrisy among philosophers is at least as old as Seneca (and could already be spectacular at that time).

TL;DR: I understand your sentiment and don't really disagree with your take on Cioran, but you clearly need to dvelve more into history and philosophy

>>12510100
That's fair, and I do need to read more about Nietzche. Regardless of who he was himself influenced by, he seems to be the singular figure who spread that style to the rest of the world following him, being its most famous exporter as it were. And I should've clarified I wasn't speaking of all Nietzsche's philosophy, merely the more vacuous strands which (though done well by himself) have produced empty imitators like Cioran as progeny.

Thanks for your response. I've never heard of those figures before, outside of Montaigne. What should I read by those names, if you don't mind telling me?

>>12504936
Here you go, OP.

>>12504936
Because he had already been born so he had already lost.

>>12508861
Why did he hate Romania so much that he wanted to become a baguette?

>>12510205
He didn't, he supported the Leggionaires which were essentially Romanian ultra-nationalist traditionalist Orthodox jihadis.

>>12506561
>>12506691
"I'm a Christian but I don't believe in God"-Eliade
>>12510233
That's true but the legionaries failed, the communists took Romanian so he distanced

>>12504936
Btw Cioran is indeed not so bright or something, but hes decent
http://www.estcomp.ro/eminescu/dacian.html

>>12504936
>"My merit is not to be totally ineffectual but to have wanted to be."
From The Trouble With Being Born

>>12504936

There are preachers of death: and the earth is full of those to whom re- nunciation life must be preached.
Full is the earth of the superfluous; marred is life by the many-too- many. May they be lured out of this life by the "life eternal"!
There are the terrible ones who carry about in themselves the beast of prey, and have no choice except lusts or self-laceration. And even their lusts are self-laceration.
They have not yet become men, those terrible ones: may they preach desistance from life, and pass away themselves!
There are the spiritually decaying ones: hardly are they born when they begin to die, and long for doctrines of weariness and renunciation.
They would rather be dead, and we should approve of their wish! Let us beware of awakening those dead ones, and of damaging those living coffins!
They meet an invalid, or an old man, or a corpse - and immediately they say: "Life is refuted!"
But they only are refuted, and their eye, which sees only one aspect of existence.
Shrouded in thick melancholy, and eager for the little casualties that bring death: thus do they wait, and clench their teeth.
Or else, they grasp at candy, and mock at their childishness thereby: they cling to their straw of life, and mock at their still clinging to it.
Their wisdom speaks thus: "A fool, he who remains alive; but so far are we fools! And that is the most foolish thing in life!"
"Life is only suffering": so say others, and lie not. Then see to it that you cease! See to it that the life ceases which is only suffering!
And let this be the teaching of your virtue: "you shall slay yourself! you shall steal away from yourself!" -
"Lust is sin," - so say some who preach death - "let us go apart and be- get no children!"
"Giving birth is troublesome," - say others - "why still give birth? One bears only the unfortunate!" And they also are preachers of death.
"Pity is necessary," - so says a third party. "Take what I have! Take what I am! So much less does life bind me!"
Were they consistently pitiful, then would they make their neighbor sick of life. To be wicked - that would be their true goodness.
But they want to be rid of life; what care they if they bind others still faster with their chains and gifts!-
And you also, to whom life is rough labor and disquiet, are you not very tired of life? Are you not very ripe for the sermon of death?
All you to whom rough labor is dear, and the rapid, new, and strange - you put up with yourselves badly; your diligence is flight, and the will to self-forgetfulness.
If you believed more in life, then would you devote yourselves less to the momentary. But for waiting, you have not enough of capacity in you - nor even for idling!
Everywhere resounds the voices of those who preach death; and the earth is full of those to whom death has to be preached.
Or "life eternal"; it is all the same to me - if only they pass away quickly! -

>>12504936
cunt