/lit/ - Literature

>>12495771
i am the best writer

The Plague is a shit novel

1800s novels are beautiful but don't know how to finish

>>12495792
I really like Camus and i honestly kinda agree. It’s really mediocre, even compared to his other works

>>12495771
Anna Karenina is better than War and Peace

>>12495792
Camus is shit.

Hitler was pretty average.

>>12495771
If see someone has like 15 books on their shelf, and 10+ of them are high brow classics from different authors, I assume they're an idiot who feigns taste

Object Oriented Programming should be against the law.

>>12495771
Atheism agnosticism and any religious affiliations are dishonest positions and should be treated historically for intellectual content but never driven to be justified

There has never been a truly great American poet.

I honestly feel a bit superior to people I know never read books.

>>12495771
generally NNT is shit and makes very simple information far more complicated than it needs to be apparently to validate his inflated opinion of himself, but every one of his critiques of the academy are fucking on point.
Without fail. The man is a machine. Justifies his whole schtick.

Most people are bipedal monkeys who don't need education.

German literature >>>> rest of the world ””””literature”””””

>>12495771
Academia is for retarded worker ants.

Haruki Murakami's work is comparable to most pulp romance novels. I know this is a popular opinion on this board but still very elitist.
He's also one of my favorite authors. His books are too comfy.

>>12495881
this is true though

I refuse to read female authors

>>12495783
lol

>>12495771
people who read translations should namedrop the translator instead of the author when they're talking about the book

>>12495844
I respond agreeably to this event

readers of mystery, crime and/or spy fiction should get a better taste and grow the fuck up.

>>12495953
Nah man these are just genres that haven't produced any danks lately, but give it a couple years I bet one or two of them comes back in a big way. People are getting really tired of YA fantasies, socially conscious scifi, and capeshit, something's gotta come next and they sure as fuck aren't going to do anything completely traditionless. Applies to lit as well as tv.

Beckett is superior to Joyce.

He won the Nobel, cucked Joyce and rejected his daughter, said more with less, and was generally more ambitious in his vision.

Also Beckett Trilogy > Ulysses
How It Is > FinnegansWake

>>12495967
crime survives in the neowestern

>>12495974
Fuck yeah. Good point.
Who's writing decent neowestern besides McCarthy, I wanna read me some of that.

>>12495979
Books I dunno, but in film it's Taylor Sheridan all the way, Hell or High Water, Wind River, Sicario etc

>>12495851
What are you then? A Deist? Surely a deist should feel some affinity for agnosticism

>>12495982
Only non-mccarthy quality I can come up with right now is deWitt's Sisters Brothers.
damn /lit/ used to be good at this stuff, help me out lurkers

>>12495989
I think there's an unknowable transcendent reality and some religious traditions can be navigated to take a glimpse at it, but I think one can get by fine without God with a thoughtful creed of ethics. If that's not compatible with what I said before, oops. I read (empirical) structuralist psychology often.

>>12495914
What about Jane Austen?

>>12495851
>admitting ignorance is dishonesty

>>12495860
If Frost, Dickinson, TS Eliot, and Ashbery aren’t great poets, then who is a great poet to you?

Literature written by minorities is inherently more interesting because of the rarity of the viewpoint in relation to the shared power structures I and the author might live in

>>12496262
whats wrong with a common viewpoint explored uncommonly well

>>12495771
Not a literature opinion but I genuinely believe that the only music worth listening to in a serious manner is Classical and even among that you should really only be listening to VERY late romantic and contemporary stuff

many books are nothing more than YouTube videos in text format. The book covers are often clickbait and the pages lack content.

>>12496262
>all wh*te people are in collusion to uphold their power structures that keep the P.O.C down!

literally identical thinking to stormfront jew conspiracy nuts but its trendy and woke

>>12496262
Bait.

>>12495771
Nabokov's opinions are completely dishonest and carefully engineered to try to lift himself up as much as possible. Thus, they are useless.

Same with Tolstoy hating on Shakespeare, Tolstoy, ever the literary narcissist, picked his most likely competition, his one better, and attempted to attack him in order to bring him down so that Tolstoy may be the all-time great

Im reading every post in this thread with an autistic nasally voice

>>12495771
I'm never going to read Finnegans Wake, despite liking Dubliners and Portrait and wanting to read Ulysses one day.

>>12495771
Dostoevsky recycles a lot of stuff in his books, I think Demons, TBK, and Crime and Punishment are the only ones worth a reread.

>>12495771
you should read like 15+ serious works before talking about philosophy. until then its speak when spoken to

Atheism and modernism are mental disorders.

>>12495771
All Kantians have a lower iq than me and there is nothing they can do to change this.

>>12496691
Inside the brain of Fly-Overs.

I have one of the most intelligent people to ever live!... The problem is that intelegence has very little to do with being successful

There's no such thing as a perfect writer.

90+% of humanity are NPC's.
If we got rid of everyone with IQ below 110 world would get unimaginably better.
All religions are fake & trash and when someone really "beliefs" its a sign that they are stupid.

neo-atheism + scientism are fucking cancer in 21st century. one of the fucking reason on why we keep continuing mistakes that people made in previous centuries — in 100 years this planet will no longer conducive for human and any other plants and animals species. y'all fuckup.

>>12496768
>neo-atheism
>scientism
>y'all

look /lit/, I've made up new words. Also Im stupid niga.

Reading the Classics would give people a better humanities education than what we have nowadays. I laugh when journalists say "but now we know better", smugly.

>>12495771
>>12496115
Jane Austen is YA-tier and holds no value apart from historical for modern reader.

>>12496311
No love for Baroque and Gregorian Chant?

>>12496462
That's not contrarian that's common knowledge.
>>12496853
Jane Austen is the best English novelist

>>12496857
Thackeray is already miles better and he's still not the best.

>>12496734
When is your euthanisation set for?

>>12495829
or they're just new to reading?

>>12496867
Wrong. Thackeray has one good novel and a lot of shit. Have you read the Newcomes etc? Dated rubbish. Austen has at least three masterpieces

Me > you

>>12495844
explain? it's pretty horrible tho. just sitting on intro lecture

Henry James is the greatest American writer and it isn't even close

>>12496903
Yeah but starting with Ulysses, Infinite Jest and Gravity's Rainbow etc seems a little questionable

Slam poetry is a crime.

>>12496946
which others have you read?

>>12495771
Philosophy ceases to be interesting when it abandons faith in favor of Marxism or some brand of Nihilism.

>>12496963
Twain, Melville, Hawthorne, Faulkner, Pynchon, Mccarthy, Dreiser, Sinclair, Wharton, Hemmingway, Fitzgerald, Steinbeck, Miller etc
You think casuals are coming on /lit/ to overrate Henry James?

>>12496989
How bout Coover

>>12496691
define "modernism" larper

Shakespeare is fucking trash compared to all the other old masters. He deserves about as much recognition as Wagner.

>>12496691
>butthurt christkek

>>12495803
get off antidepressants

>>12495968
>That chick is superior to that cracked shell.

>>12496311
Not a literature opinion but anyone above the age of 16 who uses "classical" as a catch-all term for any music that's not strictly modern should be beheaded.
>people should only listen to classical, such as stuff that's by definition not classical
That's how retarded you sound. kys.

>>12495771
Pynchon's characters achieve erections way too easily.

>>12495815
Really?

>>12497370
AK is excellent.

Democracy makes people miserable because it encourages participation in politics but it doesn't incentivize education in politics. These uninformed idiots will treat politics as a team sport since they don't understand other people and assume they're evil or selfish and they act like soccer hooligans as a result. It doesn't pay to understand what policies are good so every citizen has to suffer the mobs whim.

>>12495844
it gets the job done so idk men

Communism works

>>12495924
This is a good one

Some video game lore is as high in culture as great works of literature or operas of the past.

>>12495844
>>12496942
where you lads studying?

>>12497458
define 'works'

if that's the bare-minimum we're aiming for i'd say "no"

>>12497476
Opera is a degenerate art so you're not exactly setting the bar high. It was born from what some goofy European roleplayers thought the Greeks did with their music.

The words of Emil Cioran are closer to the Gospel than Billy Graham's. Any religious person that doesn't actively try to deny the world (not the material itself, but the secular ideology that seeks to define it) or hasn't at the very least hated their self for their lack of power to abstain from it does not honestly contemplate doubt or have any sort of genuine faith

Communism works

>>12496734
who would be left to do all of the mundane NPC-tier jobs?

>>12497501
>It was born from what some goofy European roleplayers thought the Greeks did with their music.
You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
But it is a degenerate art.

>>12497565
Don't just talk shit, correct me. Tell me how opera was invented if it wasn't inspired by what Europeans thought the ancient Greeks did.

>>12495771
There's no difference between what is elitist and what is contrarian

>>12497591
Telling stories -usually with a mythic vibe- by way of singing and playing music is, as best as we know, omnipresent in all cultures of the world and at all times.
As such, opera is just the logical continuation of the evolution of polyphonic italian madrigals/french chanson from the late middleages, early renaissance. Which themselves come from the middle age troubadours, and so on and so on.
There's no rupture in art, only evolution.
Now, if you're talking about the veneer of muh greek/latin mythology the opera took, well, that's renaissance for you, everything was just about spouting antiquity memes. Which, if that's your issue with opera, should logically be your issue with all art from the renaissance, including -gasp !- shakespeare.

>>12497636
Opera isn't just telling a story with music, otherwise nearly every single lyrical song would be called opera so it's disingenuous sophistry to conflate them. It is a particular type of music and storytelling and that particular mode of music was what the inventors of opera thought the ancient Greeks did.

>>12495844
Not realistic. Allow it but only in Java. Sacrifice one language to save more valuable ones.

>>12497682
>it's disingenuous sophistry to conflate them
unironically no u.
I never said they were all identical, and you implying I did is disingenuous sophistry.
What I said is that there's nothing in the way opera works that required a leap back more than a millenia in time to be invented. You claim that opera is based of what they knew of ancient greece. What I said is that opera is based on more contemporary artforms of madrigal/chanson (mixed with medieval theatre)

>>12495815
This is just factually true

>>12496435
Those are normally starter level books for people though. They read some of that BS and then once they discover that they enjoy reading they move on to some actual books.

>>12496463
Based

>>12496462
Which specific opinions of Nabokov's? Also, what makes you feel so? Also, is Tolstoy really THAT good? Second to Shakespeare, are you kidding me? He's THAT much of a master? I haven't read him but I can't tell if people overrate the Russians, or if he's truly a genius.

>>12495771
People on the right often whine about how society has lost its values by casting off religions, but they don't realize that they are just fetishizing religion at best, and clinging to it opportunistically as to a rock in times of flood, without real appreciation for it.

You just have to hear almost any catholic conservative in France talk to realize they have no inner drive to study the intricacies of their own faiths, no curiosity for the long and tortuous history of the Church, worst of all no theological imagination (not to mention rigor). Gone are the times of de Retz and the times of de Maistre.

Religionfags nowadays are just as incultured and beset by sterile ideology as the "new atheists" of Britain.

A few centuries ago you could have womanizing adventurers as cardinals in the Holy See and though scandalous it was also viewed as part of the deep entrenchment of the Church in the matters of human life.
The old Chuch, for all its flaws and hypocrisy (and there were many, but they were also a part of its power and exuberant reality), was not afraid of the "strong, lusty, red–eyed devils, that swayed and drove men".

Nowadays the Church can't stand anything stronger than saccharine moralizing, and the secular ideologues will be the first to chastise her for the smallest impurity as if she was a schoolpupil and they her schoolmaster. Even as an atheist I can't help but be distraught. I can't find a single living religious public that is as understanding of the terrible power and trappings of the ritual as the atheistic protagonist of Joyce's Portrait is.

The worst of it is how that shallow ideological approach to religion has long contaminated all public and private discourse.
We can't even tell apart supernatural from deity, deity from mysticism, mysticism from ritual and ritual from religion.

We can't think of religion aside from that simplistic triple Trinity, "the three monotheism", "the three abrahamic religions", "the three religions of the book".

Catholic historian of religions Rémi Brague notoriously called those three, in an interview, "three infernal triplets" and said he took care to "make them into minced meat" in his books.

Yet we are to believe that imbecilic portrayal of man's yearning for an higher view of reality is the last and only stalwart against decadence. If I have to make a choice based on intellectual and aesthetical standards I'm afraid I will have to choose modern decadence over that dessicated fake religiosity. Decadence at least has the merit of being more manifold and less hypocrite.

>>12498244
We need to stop being such cunts and relearn how to be bold including in our relations to all possible forms of divinity (of which only a small subset has ever been explored). We need to get back to the roots and mythology, of worship, of ritual, of theology and etiology. Unless what many unimaginative conservatives (and a few idiotic progressives) would have you think, religion never was a monolithic construct of secure dogma, it was a constant struggle that embraced all of human existence. Our ancestors were not wiser than us, but more child-like in their dreaming, more vigorous and creative and certainly less stunted by that lurid neverending dread of incompleteness and vulnerability that is the contemporary West's prime obsession. We need to think harder and dream deeper.
Thanks for offering me this occasion for ranting, OP. I needed it.

>>12495771
Not only are the feminist not feminist enough, the misogynist are not misogynist enough.

>>12498140
>Also, is Tolstoy really THAT good?
Yes he is, he's a giant of world culture, like Beethoven or Michaelangelo who wrote two books which both have a very good shout at GOAT status. He's the most important writer since Shakespeare.
Nabokov's literary criticism shouldn't be taken too seriously. I always get the impression he was trying to make himself sound super smart by shitting on everyone else.

>>12496490
You should read the Adolescent honestly (though I admit TBK can replace it). And the Eternal Husband is short and fun.

>>12496568
Does each Plato dialogue count as a separate serious work ?

My unpopular opinion is you needn't read to do philosophy and you mostly refrain from talking about it. You should mostly be thinking, an hour of thinking for every couple pages read. Writing is speech's whore, and speech is thought's lowly servant.

>>12496776
Those are old made-up words.

This chucklesome motherfucker is a better writer of English prose than Nabokov

I actually don't care what people read and enjoy.

>>12498280
I always thought Nabokov was mostly genuine (if cheeky), but that being a narrow-minded prick was in his character or even his aesthetical instinct.

The guy didn't like music (much to his chagrin), could never accept the importance of the genetic revolution in the biological sciences, was grumpy because he couldn't sleep well, say he didn't like the fact that you have to move your eyes left and right a lot of times to read a single page, and once publicly tore off a copy of Don Quixote because he didn"t like the book. He clearly was a curmudgeon, with an occasional taste for theatrical displays.

The syrian civil war is the spanish civil war of our time and the next Orwell and Hemmingway will have served their time amongst the PYD and the IS.

>>12498333
Pretty based but they'll probably become internet speaking figures instead.

>>12496691
>"modernism"

>>12495771
catch 22 was a perfect 4.5/10

everything has always been, is, forever will be perfect just the way it was, is, will be.

>>12495771
The best book ever writen is The Old Man and the Sea.
There, elitist, contrarian and plebeian I think this unironically and i've never been on a boat

>>12496734
sounds like we should get rid of you too

>>12498444
The baseball references ruined the title of "best book" for me.

>>12496734
so whether or not one is an npc is decided by iq? you, sir, truly are one big brained individual

Most of the plays written by Shakespeare were certainly written by a woman.

That is why they're so terrible.

>>12495885
This. Except they don't work.

>>12496734
We need to get rid of everyone with IQ between 110 and 130. Those are the people, who think they're smart, but they're actually still pretty stupid. Those above are smart, and those below know they're not smart.

>>12498403
I fucking hated catch-22. Talk about boring and trivial. "oh but bro it gets so darker about 300 pages in" - Oh, so I have to wait 300 pages for anything of actual interest to happen? 300 pages for something actually meaningful, 300 pages for me to give a single shit about whats going on? FUCK RIGHT OFF.

>>12495829
>tfw that's literally me

>>12495844
Did /g/ tell you this? Did they also tell you how well operating systems made purely in functional programming languages work?

>>12495829
I don't have even fifteen books on my shelf. I only read e-books anymore.

>>12496957
do you often find yourself in homes with shelves like these?

Most literature that is revered is actually trash and people only like it because they've been memed into it, emperor's new clothes style.

>>12496734

The NPC meme is a product of intellectual laziness and fear. Mass projection of a deluded solipsist mindset that is nothing more than coping because you can't fathom that others may have a different opinion and you are not brave enough to engage in a dialogue with someone not balls deep in your echochamber.

It's the "intellectual" equivalent of an ostrich burying it head in the sand.

Steven King is massively overrated and a fraud.

>>12498594
>tfw 125 IQ pleb and you agree with this

it's a self-extinction feeling, so no picture.

>>12498656
This a lot.

The NPC meme is not only morally repellant and reminding of a narcissistic if not psychopathic outlook, it's a aprticularly vile form of refusal to engage intellectually with the world.

>>12498656
>>12498767
>Orange man bad

>>12498790
nice fallacy you got goin there, and the contents are very telling

>>12495815
Is that even a contrarian opinion?

I enjoy and appreciate Ayn Rand despite her flaws. People determined to hate her blindly are either poor, stupid, or irrelevant.

>>12496691
imagine being so utterly modern that you psychologise everything and use the phrase 'mental disorders' to dismiss things

>>12498790
>criticizing a bad meme means you're liberal

The best argument against the use of the NPC meme is actually a Christian argument.

Liberalism is the most harmful thing that ever happened to art.

>>12495771
IQ tests are the biggest meme out there
they only prove you're good at IQ tests
>nb4 -100 IQ
I have a 135 IQ and i'm still a total brainlet

>>12498907
based levantine macedonian

>>12496711
>>12497002
The belief that there is no truth
>>12497196
>>12498402
>>12498888
seething braindead atheist faggots

>>12498931
modernism is literally 'objective truth' the era. next time don't play vidya while listening to your jordan peterson lectures

>>12495815
This is canonical consensus, anon. That’s like saying, “You know what would be a great book to teach high schoolers? This might sound contrarian— but The Great Gatsby.”

>>12498965
>Ask me to define modernism
>Define it
>No, IT'S ACTUALLY THIS

>>12495860
To corroborate: American Standard and American Vernacular English is not poetic enough to support such an enterprise. The only two poets worth mentioning in America, Whitman and Dickinson, mostly relied on ulterior means of poetic conception (great themes, philosophical insight, Biblical rhetorical strategies, alliteration, anaphora, etc.)

>>12496183
Dante, Shakespeare, Milton lmao

>>12495771
TV is trash and people who watch it are ruining themselves
The web will slowly eat everyone's consciousness into one monolithic being
High IQ is no indication of originality and can actually just make someone more dogmatically complicit with societal norms
Meta-cognition is criminally under-studied because it's terrifying. To put it in perspective, intelligence researchers estimate that 1/5 people don't benefit from structured education.
Human history is a series of accidents that are caused by banal things. Feminism is because of birth control. Hating war because of pictures & TV (women care/were effected). Democracy from coffee and the printing press. Kings because of famines.

>>12496462
I think this becoming less and less contrarian. In a similiar vein, Borges is the Malcolm Gladwell of literature.

>>12498879
I don't hate her blindly, I hate her because I read Atlas Shrugged. Hate's too strong a word really, more a settled decision never to read anything by her again

>>12498979
If you use phrases in ways that are wildly different if not opposite to their common meaning you're just making things difficult for no reason.

I recommend finding a phrase that fits what you mean like epistemological nihilism.

>>12499073
It's not like he's defining one to mean two. Modernism is a vague term and can mean many different things depending on who you're talking to. To dispute the definition is nothing more than pointless bickering. You wanted to know what he meant by that word and you got the answer. Do something with it or fuck off.

>>12496183
>Eliot

The man barely counts as an American.

>>12498140
>Which specific opinions of Nabokov's?
all of his pithy opinions about other writers that are commonly cited on /lit/. People like them because they are dismissive and sassy and incite arguments.
>Also, what makes you feel so?
I don't know if I can pin it down to one thing, but after appreciating Nabokov's own work for many years, reading his memoir, and familiarizing myself with his life, especially his time at Cornell as a professor, I've just arrived at the conclusion that Nabokov was doing everything he could to make himself a personality, and in a sense, a celebrity in literature. He did whatever would make people talk about him. He's a great writer but also a bit of a posturer. Everything is calculated to impress.
>Also, is Tolstoy really THAT good? Second to Shakespeare, are you kidding me? He's THAT much of a master? I haven't read him but I can't tell if people overrate the Russians, or if he's truly a genius.
I wasn't making a conclusion about my own opinions, just saying that I think Tolstoy thought of himself as competing with Shakespeare. He's definitely up there in terms of masters of the novel form, for Anna Karenina most of all.

>>12498468
double bait, nice

>>12495844
Good luck with that

Science-Fiction as a genre is a shitty one that needs to die.

>>12496262
Whites are a minority in the global world™

>>12498790
Leftist viewpoints stem from women with a nurturing instinct and high-estrogen men. Right-wing viewpoints stem from masculine mindsets that value protection, competition, and strength. It is really that simple.

The self-suppression, smug contentment, and love of comfort necessary for nearly all prestigious careers of modern days (professors, politicians, lawyers, doctors, etc.) means that nearly all of them are utterly unremarkable human beings.

On the other hand, NEETs are the greatest specimens of the human spirit in the western world.

>>12495771
The lit hivemind's most egregious sin is ignoring, discounting, and misunderstanding Edgar Allan Poe. He is very deep, and his ideas about literature are some of the most earth shaking of the past 200 years.

>>12499531
/lit/ ignores many things, but it's true that Edgar Poe is a tremendously important aesthetical thinker and short story writer.

>>12499531
Every word in edgars work has a reason for being there. If he couln't find a reason for a word being there he would chuck it out.
He was ground breaking on so many lvl it's uncanny

>>12499589
Except for the dog randomly disappearing with no explanation in Arthur Pym

>>12499531
It is weird how nobody talks about him.

>>12498896

The Bible tells us to love others like you love yourself. I genuinely believe that NPC posters are incapable of loving their neighbour because they can't love themselves. That's why they see as others as non existent, because they are unable or unwilling of any sort of evaluation or critical introspection. They close their eyes for the radiant appeal that emanates from others. The NPC poster is nothing more than an even dumber Stirnerite Spookposter. I pity them to some extend, because no one should feel so alienated that he no longer sees his neighbour as human.

It is actually the normies and plebs that are right and the elitists that are wrong. One is full of vitality, optimism, and willingness to change. The other is self-important, decedent, and still clings to 2,500 year old phantoms.

The goal of life should be its change and novel expression, not trying to emulate what has already been attempted.

Though I loath the intersectional,blue-haired feminists to a soul, I appreciate their desire for searching for new lives.

>>12499616
Based and transcendent

>>12496311
Almost, except Bach is the goat and Mozart is underrated and basically your retarded

>>12499531
Poe is a genius and an idiot at the same time, which is kind of what makes him so interesting. Some of his ideas are half-baked and others are truly very insightful.

>>12499616
>The NPC poster is nothing more than an even dumber Stirnerite Spookposter. I pity them to some extend, because no one should feel so alienated that he no longer sees his neighbour as human.
it's just SPD m8

>>12499605
i guess you didn't get it, read it again

>>12498244
>>12498251
Awesome, thanks for taking the time to write this. As time goes on, I find a religious yearning growing in me ever more steadily, yet I continue to have trouble imagining an outlet for it. Perhaps it's a wild fantasy to think a new religion is brewing, or at the very least a widespread revival. On a long enough timeline it's inevitable, I suppose. I just hope it happens before we collapse under our own decadence.

>>12497347
>he thinks that the term "classical music" means music from the classical period

>>12496262
>contrarian

>>12495924
I think this depends on what youre discussing, the ideas or how they presented

>>12498998
>intelligence researchers estimate that 1/5 people don't benefit from structured education
Care to expend anon ?

Joseph Conrad is the Shakespeare of novelists, and the extent of his achievement will recognized within the next half century, as the political pendulum swings back towards a centre-point.

>>12498998
Could you actually explain all your points please ? Very interesting stuff.

>>12499969
Look up IQ and professions/education attainment. The reality (or the correlative conjectures) are very very grim.
>>12500007
The world is a series of accidents, and consciousness is no different. Proceed that consciousness is an illusion, and that most people live their lives thinking all facets -memes, habits, cultural stratas, and ecclesiastical detritus- of their cultures are them. They don't even understand that it's not them, nor do most cultures understand that it's not cultures. From this standpoint, we realize that the largest influence in day to day interaction between humans, are food and chemicals. The situation of food, and then beyond food, of the chemicals we indulge in, and then beyond chemicals, it's the media we consume. Grain started the enlightenment. Coffee continued and manfiested it. Media ended it. Allow me to make a point, if everyone were to simultaneously experience a lacuna of consciousness, and everything within that were no longer perceptible, no one would notice. Now think the converse, if we can invisage an edifice of thought, or create one through habitual eating, caffeine, and media, then no one can forget it. This is the horridness of memory, it is very often we forget, but never on purpose, and it is almost never, that we have extra memories

>>12499308
This desu. NEET ascetics are the spiritually superior class of our time.

>>12499658
How can Mozart be underrated? Isn't he one of the most famous composers of all time?

>>12498594
Nah, it's the Zeitgeist. We need to make school challenging. If 120 IQ kids crash into intellectual difficulties early on, they become aware of their own limitations.

>>12500590
NEETs are neurotics which cause them to generally be more conscious than normals. However neurotics are also spiritually inferior and becuse of that more miserable.

>>12499589
idk I prefer works like 2666 where i can skip tens of pages and not really miss anything. i don’t like having to pay attention to what i read. not that i read all that much in the first place.

>>12499620
nice romanticization. the qualities you described as being exclusive to two loosely defined groups of people can in fact appear in each and across all groups

>>12495844
Realistically, it'd be fine if classes/objects were used very sparingly when it was appropriate.
Unfortunately every dumbass out there wants to turn anything and everything into a class for no reason other than it being the only paradigm they know.

>>12495803

A Tale of Two Cities begs to differ

Radiohead is awful. I cannot think of many a band with fewer redeeming qualities.
Short stories as a genre peaked at dubliners

>>12500590
Nay, it is the NEET who overcomes his NEETdom in order to fulfill his duty in service of a good will.

Melville's greatest work was not Moby-Dick, but Clarel

>>12498998
Good post
>The web will slowly eat everyone's consciousness into one monolithic being.
This is scary.
Anyone who's been on the web since the 90's has slowly watched it happen and it keeps getting worse.
It used to be when you asked for an opinion you had an equal chance of different answers. Now, 95% of the time you get the same rehashed mob think, and 5% you get something different.

>>12501103
Gonna be honest here I’ve never ever heard of it

>>12500614
yes and he is also the most overrated composer of all time
the only people who take mozart seriously are the same people who think that playing classical music to your baby in the womb will turn them into a piano prodigy

>>12496311
Baroquean music is overrated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeJiFXlvxqQ

>>12495771
The greatest American novelist is Jean Toomer.

>>12500545
Do you know of any good books on the phenomenology of memory? I'd love to read of this

>>12498998
Is this from norbert wiener?

>>12501104
How do I separate without going crazy from isolation

>>12501293
The guy who inspired Proust. Can't remember his name.
Proust as well.

Elitism and gatekeeping is a necessary evil for a subculture to survive and shibboleths are important.

>>12501329
Montaigne?

>>12501363
What do you mean by "subculture"? you talking about 4chan(nel)? m8 the necessary evil would be to shut this place down so we can all go outside

>>12496487
>implying there is a way to read it

>>12495771
Camus is great, the contrarians can go fuck themselves.

If you don't know at least 3 languages you are a pseud, women are almost always terrible writers, Most novels are too long

>>12495771
Sci-Fi and Fantasy mostly neglect well-written prose and nuanced character development in favor of pseudo-intellectual philosophy 101 shit erected clumsily on top of a cookie cutter story with goofy names for different races & cities.

>>12495807
The Plague is better than The Stranger.

>>12501472
Camus is great intro level

>>12501190
Okay so whose the composer I feign liking in order to be a convincing pseud, Bach? How about Beethoven?

>>12498603
I'm assuming you're a big Vonnegut fan? The only people who seem to hate Catch-22 that much are the neckbeard Vonnegut brigade who refuse to admit that there are better war satires than Slaughterhouse-Five.

>>12501547
This isn’t contrarian though, this is objective fact. Even people who enjoy fantasy recognize it

>>12495771
Murakami sucks dick at writing. Karl Ove Knausgaard is the best author alive....also Infinite Jest is terrible

>>12501608
>This isn’t contrarian though, this is objective fact. Even people who enjoy fantasy recognize it

Fair enough - But I guess, cogent as my argument was, it's contrarian in that it's a reaction to the fanbase

>>12501376
Plis

>>12495771
Mine would have to be that this is an off topic thread.

>>12501329
>>12501372
No.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Sollier
>Proust largely inspired himself from Sollier's The Problem of Memory (1900) for his emphasis on involuntary memory in his novel In Search of Lost Time.

>>12501309
Honestly my own thoughts.
>>12501323
I deleted all social media and accounts on websites that require registration. I don't read the news, I only read books, or browse /lit/ and watch benign youtube clips if I'm sick and can't read, or have a headache from too much work.
>>12501104
Thanks, Anon.
>>12501293
I audited a grad class in theory of mind, and oddly enough, memory is VERY poorly understood. From a nueroscience standpoint, it gets very uncertain very quickly. We barely understand how memory works, as memory has so many categories and types -sensuous, experietial, conceptual, personal, social, etc. ad infinitum. I would recommend How Emotions are Made as well as Behave by Barrett. Both are really foundational and tour de forces in their fields. However, memory is basically everything and a category of something. Words, are, for all intents and purooses, memories too. It gets very dicey very fast

>>12501190
Further proof Mozart is underrated

>>12495924
That's a good point

>>12499839
It's contrarian on this board

>>12501613
this Karl Ove Knausgaard is he really worth reading ?

>>12501552
agree