/lit/ - Literature

I would have to read one of his books then. Thankfully, that'll never actually happen.

>>12488731
since there will be 2 prizes awarded this year who do u think will get the second one?

>>12488731
Do you really think the cucks at swedestan will give him a prize?

DUDE WHAT IF ISLAM TOOK OVER BUT IT'S ALL THE SAME

>>12488742
Imagine being this much of a sheep.

>>12488744
Me

t. Cormac McCarthy

BETS OPEN NOW

>>12488770
>"If I point out the motifs found in a book surely this will show how awful and amateurish the book is!"

vollmann deserves it

>>12488731
Is this guy any good or it's just respected as an intellectual and writer because of the controversial themes he talks about and his "enfant terrible" status and people on /lit/ like him just as a fashion accesory?

/ourguy/


https://youtu.be/m8tmCQUURiY

>>12488845
>enfant terrible
Funnily they call him a "bad boy" in France lol in English, while Anglos call him enfant terrible.

>>12488863
really makes you think about our society...

>>12488845
Read "whatever", and see for yourself. It's not a very long read.

>>12488784
Imagine being this mad that I read books that have won the Nobel prize out of curiosity about their merit.

Sad.

>>12488941
Simply pathetic. Worse than a grouppie. Consider suicide.

>>12488845
Houellebecq is principled. You could almost call him a moralist. I think that is what underlies his controversial status. He is good insofar as he says things about the culture that others are not willing to

>>12488967
What the fuck is a grouppie. Learn English before posting on this board, please.

>>12488979
>doesn't know what a groupie is

I think they will somehow find a way to award it to "Female Authors in General"

>>12488990
Imagine being so retarded that you spell groupie as grouppie. Simply pathetic.

>>12489008
>correcting people's spelling on fucking 4chan(nel) of all places
cringe

>>12488845
His books are mostly concerned with alienation, capitalism, pessimism, and modernity. The edgy stuff (like racism) is mostly the result of the aforementioned themes. If you aren't easily triggered you'll see that there's more to him than the controversy.

>>12488845
Whatever and The Elementary Particles are novels that needed to be written, but the more he writes the more juvenile he comes across.
He’s intriguing at least.

>>12488742
t. NPC

Finished Platform not long ago and I think it might be his most underrated novel. It doesn't seem to get as much love as Submission or Atomised.

>>12488845
Standard issue edgelord with a faint veneer of intellectuality. His work is your average /polit9k/ whining about modernity, inceldom and muzzies, but adapted for normies and wrapped in prettier verbiage with some graphic sex to spice it up. It's hard to imagine how it can appear substantial or insightful to anyone but woke bugmen taking first steps out of their safe space, and it's quite sad that this is ostensibly the best France has to offer nowadays. But, considering the track record of Nobel committee for literature, I wouldn't be surprised if the shit eaters will give him an award anyways.

>>12488845
his books are shallow garbage masquerading as deep critiques of western society and they all feature the same alienated one-dimensional character in different clothes. read one of his books and you've read them all.

G I V E
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T O
M U R A K A M I

Who gives a shit about the Nobel literature prize anymore? They gave it to a subpar musician, it's a worthless accolade. I hope they give it to Lil Wayne next.

>>12488845
He's a pseud LARPing as Celine. Read Journey To The End Of The Night, then imagine what it would be write if someone wrote fanfic about it set in the present day, and then you won't have to read Houllebecq.

>>12489302
dude cats and jazz lmao

>>12490040
Wrong Murakami, brainlet.

>>12489316
Joanna Newsom would unironically be a better choice than most
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRnikXRJ6hY

>>12489339

this.
Céline is far far better and actually a really funny dude.

>>12489252>>12489252
>>his books are shallow garbage masquerading as deep critiques of western society

hence the appeal to women and humanists

>>12488770
It'll become white sharia tho.

>>12490059

>>12488845
He's not a good writer nor even really a good storyteller, but seems to be the only person writing about what he does. I didn't find him at relatable as I thought I would, but he's still worth at least one read.

>>12488731
His last book is very very bad desu.

Source : I actually read it

When do they announce the winners?

>>12490257
The only good murakami

>>12488731
I Have no problem believing that. The Nobel prize is distilled bullshit.

>>12488941
>t.

>>12489167
This is certainly not what the best France has to offer, he's just the author that gets automatically promoted by the media. He's an easy product to sell, a good client, follows the tradition of the (boring) "decadent intellectual sad about life and that has so much to teach you believe me". Sérotonine is so poor I could'nt believe it.

>>12490802
and what is the best France has to offer?

>>12490062
Hell naw. Go read some Louise Glück or something.

Would personally like Peter Nadas or Jon Fosse to win, but it probably eon’t happen.

>>12490802
Inb4 Michon or Guyotat. Houellebecq is second-rate, mais la France n’a guère mieux à offrir.

>>12488731
DeLillo or Cormac should really just get their Nobel prize.

>>12490854
>>12490874
It's all a matter of personal taste and I won't discuss it here. It is relevant however to expose Houellebecq as he is being pushed far too much down the throats of my fellow citizens.

Nobel confirmed.

Serotonin was shit btw. If you need confirmation that Houellebecq is a 2nd rate reactionary with no new ideas, this is the book.

>>12491159
Nobel can not happen. Nobel Institutiongoes through a severe moral crisis, and it would to be the worse moment for them to sanctify a borderline "racist" "misogynist" in terms of image. In the times of me too, this is simply not possible.
Sérotonine was shit btw

>>12488941
>>12488979
>>12489008
holy cringe

>>12491159
>Serotonin was shit btw.

Tell us more you faggots. Plenty of frogs here and they all said that they've read it but they can only write shit like that. Write at least one paragraph, clearly there are people interested in it here.

>Caring about the Nobel Price

Why?

>>12491278
If you adhere to his nihilist vision of the "end of christian civilisation", then it is fan service.
However if you are able of any critical thinking, you'll see that this book is vapid, just gimmicks one after another.
He's trying to sound smart by giving observations on trivial stuff (train french network, Supermarkets, divorced couples), mixing it with the depression of the main character. He's trying to be funny. For me it did not work, it was just boring, a fucking cliché of the author he was 15 years ago.
His biological perspective on life is exhausting, he's obsessed with the sex he cannot get and whining and whining about it. Some will say this is a book about love, and that love is the only thing that can save you. I'd say love could only save an imbecile. He's a romantic, but a biological one, caring very much for the binary of molecules that supposedly constitute the mind. Spirit is only matter. Under this perspective, it is not surprising that the main character is a very sad and miserable one (voluntary incel i would say, but a rather succesful one), considering how he perpetually denigrates everyone around him and especially treats women as objects and basically sees only women as potential "young wet pussies".
There is the part about how hard it is in France nowadays to make money being a farmer, how they keep getting fucked by free exchange at international level, how they will never be able to face competition and their only escape is to kill themselves, which they do. That is for the social critique of France.
I found it annoying, sometimes disgusting. It made me think of Gainsbourg when he was nearing his death, always drunk and vulgar, and everyone was happy with it because he was such a "character", but that nothing else anymore. It is the same with this book. It is as empty as its nihilistic bullshit.

To each one his own I guess

>>12490854
I've find very much more enjoyment in "Leurs enfants après eux" by Nicolas Mathieu for instance. I was very surprised that he got the Goncourt, given the fact that the book is not very bleak but rather full of nostalgia, but a good sort of nostalgia. A sane book getting media recognition and approval, i was flabbergasted

>>12490854
Jean-Louis Costes - Les Guerriers amoureux
Mathias Enard - Zone

>>12490737
November.

>>12491281
>Nobel Price
>Pruce
Because we're arranging a gofundme to buy Wellbeck a Nobel.

>>12491359
>. I'd say love could only save an imbecile.
So, everyone?

>>12490059
ryu murakami is just indicative of the gaudy literature of the pre-burst Japanese economy. He seems engaging because we didn't experience that and don't have those novels, but there's really nothing very special about him. Haruki Murakami, whether you like him or not, is a literary juggernaut and pretty much the only novelist I can think of that deserves the prize.

>>12491918
>Haruki Murakami, whether you like him or not, is a literary juggernaut and pretty much the only novelist I can think of that deserves the prize.
Shit taste.

>>12491359
>If you adhere to his nihilist vision of the "end of christian civilisation"

lul. That's not a vision. Just looking at the birth rate difference between native Europeans and people with migrant backgrounds will show that there won't be a single European left in 150 years.

>>12491928
name your pick then, contrarian faggot

>>12491278
he literally rips off the meme of that jap girl who filmed herself getting bukkake'd...the protagonist stand-in character finds vids of his young jap gf having an orgy in their apartment and getting fucked by two dogs

>>12491941
Unironically Cormac McCarthy. He IS a literary juggernaut. Blood Meridian shits all over Murafaggot's oeuvre. Name one Murafaggot novel that is aesthetically and thematically superior.

>>12491953
neither shittykami nor yecarthy deserve the nobel prize, but the prize itself is shit so who cares

>>12488731
Anyone knows where I could download the kidnapping of Michel Houellebecq online?

>>12491971
I used Frostwire or uTorrent, can't remember. It was kinda underwhelming. But I want to see Near Death Experience, anyway.

>>12491953
Kafka on the Shore, WUBC, After the Quake, hell even Killing Commodore and 1Q84 are leaps and bounds better than McCarthy. Outside of the American western/gothic novel, what has he innovated? Most people only know him for the Cohen brothers film.

Hes probably to """""reactionary""""" for those cuck awards

>>12491987
More like he's too edgy.

Obviously the Nobel Prize in literature is going to go to someone who shares in baby boomer status quo ideology.

>>12491987
macron gave houellebecq one of france's highest honours

the nobel committee, a bunch of rich rapists, would have no problem with houellebecq getting the prize

>>12491985
>Kafka on the Shore, WUBC, After the Quake, hell even Killing Commodore and 1Q84
Ew. Weeb.
>Outside of the American western/gothic novel, what has he innovated?
At least he has innovated.
>Most people only know him for the Cohen brothers film.
>muh mass popularity
Not an argument.

>>12490059
>>12491918
Ryu is for proto-tumblr/deviantart 14 year old art hoes and fags.

>>12492042
>Ew. Weeb.
Not an argument.
>Not an argument.
Not an argument.
>At least he innovated
When did McCarthy win the Franz Kafka prize, again?
Not only does Murakami have mass appeal, but his international accolades from the world's literary elite are astonishing.

Bumpo

Following Ishiguro and Bob Dylan, how low can it go? J.K Rowling is the logical next step.

>>12491918
>Haruki Murakami, whether you like him or not, is a literary juggernaut and pretty much the only novelist I can think of that deserves the prize.
His work is literally just high-quality airport novels. Your naivete and lack of engagement with modern literature that isn't heavily marketed or memed on anime websites is not really an argument.

>>12491359
>he's obsessed with the sex he cannot get and whining and whining about it

Based.

My boy John Banville

>>12491971
You can watch it free and legally on Vubu, though you need a VPN if you are outside America. Absolutely loved the movie btw

jon fosse will get it, just place your bets m8s it's free money

>>12492063
>caring about Prizes other than the Nobel
Anon, I...

>>12490863
Jon Fosse is a good shout since he doesn't really have the international fame he deserves yet, and I feel like this is one of the most important functions the literature prizes.

I would like to see McCarthy, Ondaatje, Murakami or Houellebecq for having written good/great literature with a broad appeal. Mircea Cartarescu or Petterson would also be very deserving I think even though their not that well known outside of Europe. One of the prizes will probably go to some obscure eastern european or middle eastern woman though.

Karl Ove Knausgård, for his intimate contributions to the blog posting genre

>>12490257
Nice Pynchon reference.

>>12493663
he said somewhere in my struggle or one of his essays that if he ever won the nobel, he would an hero