/lit/ - Literature

>>12450165
This is going to be unwatchable.

No because I resent the reduction of political thought to pure spectacle as has disappointingly become the trend

>>12450165
they're both reddit

>>12450165
2019 still seems unreal to me

>>12450165
youtuber vs youtuber

>>12450165
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrvhFA3hPWA

It is HAPPENING

>>12450186
I wouldn't call their ideologies for political, it is metaphysical talk and self-help advice, not something created for political action.

what do they have to argue about? theres nothing to argue about

>>12450235
holy shit peterson got old overnight, he looks ten years older than he did six months ago

>>12450246
Peterson specifically said he was dying to debate Žižek so I assume he has something specific In mind

>>12450246
Zizek needs to school Peterson on continental philosophy so all these 12 year olds can shut the fuck up and stop pretending they know what they're talking about.

>>12450246
>see marie kondo is rather atypically feminine because she recommends cleaning not for the reason most women do beca-
>BUT THIS WHOLE DECLUTTER DECLUTTER IS SEX I MEAN EXERT EVACUATE EXERT EVACUATE ITS EJACULATION AND SHE EVEN ASSUMES THE APPEAL OF VULVA YOU KNOW BEING EFFACED BUT YOU KNOW VERY ENTICING IT'S IT'S IT'S *RUBS NOSE*

>>12450267
zizek will just agree with him and then tell some jokes, zizek is a lightweight

>>12450275
the reason this whole thing started is because Zizek specifically attacked his historical theory.

>>12450289
give me a quick rundown, i didnt know peterson had a "historical theory" but then i only read his book not watch a million gay ass youtubes

>>12450293
https://youtu.be/-ftaltfEdEo
Peterson's response is somewhere on his twitter, asking for a debate.

>>12450235
>I wouldn't call their ideologies for political
How is "Neo-Marxist Disney movies are making girls too confident" not a political statement?

>>12450165
Zizek will wipe the floor with Peterson because Zizek is an actual philosopher. But Zizek is borderline incomprehensible to the average joe, while Peterson's strength is feeding bullshit to the average joe and passing it off as expertise.

So all we will get is more entrenched ideological camps. The Peterson haters will confirm their hatred of Peterson; the Peterson lovers will confirm their incestuous love affair with a grifter.

>>12450254
it's called growing a beard and staying up late senpai

>implying Zizek is not a pseud and a charlatan on equal footing with Peterson only because he's slightly more incomprehensible and a lefty
Show me one worthy innovation Zizek has advanced in the field of philosophy. Pro-tip: you can't.

This is finally going to kill this shithole board, right?

>>12450846
ideology ontology

>>12451013
>ideology ontology
go to jstor, there are papers from 1950 dealing with that

this is going to suck

I'm going to watch chomsky and foucault instead. At least they were gracious to each other and it wasn't polemical headbanging with post-Freudian undertones

>>12450846
http://zizekstudies.org/index.php/IJZS
seething

>>12451026
just like how there are papers before Nietzsche dealing with nihilism

Zizek is gonna fuck him inside out, this is adorable

>>12451029
it's amazing how after shit like pornhub statistics people like you are still willfully ignorant in rejecting Freud.

>>12451043
or even shit like feminist penis-envy or /pol/'s castration anxiety

>>12451032
>Launched in January 2007, IJŽS is a peer-reviewed, open access academic journal. As its title unambiguously proclaims, it is devoted to the work of Slavoj Žižek, a Slovenian philosopher/cultural theorist. Despite such predictably caricatured media portrayals as "the Elvis of cultural theory" and "the Marx brother", Žižek has attracted enormous international interest through his application of otherwise esoteric scholarship to contemporary mass culture and politics.

>>12451026
>topics can only be discussed once and never again because everything pertinent about them has already been said
How much more anti-intellectual could you possibly be?

>>12451055
every time a new philosopher blows up there are people like you who have to denounce him because you constructed a contrarian personality as a mental shield. enjoy dying regretful and alone.

>>12451029
>I'm going to watch chomsky and foucault instead
are we competing to find the biggest pseud?

>>12451026
lmao remember when that retard Einstien started writing on space-time lmao didn't he know Kant's critique was published in 1781? lmao

>>12451065
>ask about an original thought of Zizek in the field of philosophy
>somebody says something which has been a staple of philosophy for some decades now
>point that out
>HURP DURP YOU CAN DISCUSS THINGS AGAIN AND AGAIN
That does not make those ideas original, mate.

>>12451089
>Heidegger didn't have an original idea because "being" has been a staple of philosophy since the presocratics

>>12450165

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqw1FI1hfJA

>>12451068
>enjoy dying regretful and alone
>projecting this much
that's a Yikes from me

>>12451105
it hasn't by the way

>>12451107
I'm projecting but not in the post-freudian way that you think. this is just history and you're a part of it.

>>12451122
I bet 6 gorillion shekels nobody will know who Zizek is ten years from now

>>12451128
your coping subconscious would do that, yeah.

>>12451089
I'm not the poster who suggested the original thought but if I was going to suggest one it would be specifically his notion of ontological incompleteness. He uses a really neat metaphor of us catching God with his pants down, that is to say, catching him in the act of half-assing the universe because he never thought we'd pay attention to just how shoddy its construction really is.

>>12451116
Yes it has; at they very least it had been for a good century before BT was written (since Hegel reinjected presocratic thought back into modern phil); stop being a pseude.

>>12451132
It's true though.
>>12451142
that's just stoner philosophy - "DUDE WHAT IF WE ARE IN A SIMULATION - DUDE WHAT IF THINGS DO NOT EXIST IF IM NOT LOOKING"

>>12451196
>thinks ontological completeness is the same as simulation theory
disgusting; you probably took Zizek's thought experiment as a literal example

>>12451212
>*incompleteness

>>12451212
>Zizek literally says that
>DUDE WHY ARE YOU MISQUOTING ZIZEK
kek

>>12451196
Holy fucking shit, I'm actually laughing at just how badly you've misinterpreted him. I can see why you thought Zizek has said nothing new– you lack the intellectual capacity to distinguish between dated philosophical problems and the more interesting ones brought about by contemporary issues

I dont think this is going to be a debate at all. The whole thing will be staged for the setup. At the very end they will come together, and after embracing as brothers, announce the Peterson/Zizek 2020 ticket for the US presidency, god bless america.

>>12451220
it's a thought experiment. Nozick didn't think we can create a perfect pleasure machine; Jackson doesn't think we can raise scientists in colour controlled rooms from birth. Einstein didn't think trains could move at the speed of light. you literally need to take a phil 101 course anon.

>>12451220
Zizek has never made a "simulation" argument because the simulation argument is predicated on the assumption that we have no viable means of distinguishing between reality and virtual reality. If anything his point is the opposite, that the more we learn about the universe, the more it becomes increasingly unconvincing in its pretence of "reality"

When is it?

>>12451268
hes probably meaning this example Zizek uses, but he's taken it in a ridiculously literal way, he literally calls it a "joke"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv3qRcYII3U

>>12450186
Dumbass comment. Long form debate is a welcome change. The alternative and current status quo is 30 second sound bites where the reporter tells you what the subject said. Fuck you dumb nigger.

>>12451858
>written responses don’t exist

>>12450165
Peterson better NOT try and defend/cite/bring up us Randfags as a last resort when Zizek starts to demolish him. Faggot is exactly the arbitrary thinking mixed bag shit to pull arguments he's vaguely familiar. I really am NOT looking forward to epin pseud v pseud 2019

>>12451997
*familiar with

>>12451997
Peterson does not like rand you illiterate fucking kike

>>12452110
I know that faggot, he'll employ a piece of her anyway. Have you seen this shit in action?

>>12452110
>like
>>>/pol/

>>12451877
As an alternative to the current state of oral discussion long form “debate” is a step in the right direction

>>12452110
>kike
>>>/pol/

>>12452137
Nigger

>>12452179

>>12450165
Everyone here should be concerned with what this event might produce. If zizek and peterosn hit it off then there is no telling how much of a plague their offspring will be.

Peterson will provide the ideology and zizek the background to talk abotu phislophy in a serious manner.

You might think that they have too big of a conflict to even consider the outcome they they will hit it off, but if they do truly go after one or the other then a concession will be made and a merge will happen.

Imagine it, please, the debate is heated and zizek takes the liberty of explaining things to peterson in a way that is correctly represented, then peterson rationalizes his viewpoints or concedes a few of them. The conversation will run into a fundamental difference between them and at the very least, peterson fans will take their new fangled positions and continue to run with them under the same type of guise that made them look down on sam harris.

>>12451043
((()))

>>12450165
Whoever wins...
We loose.

>>12450165
I'm ready.
>mfw they agree with each other about everything

>>12450165
Anything that breaks away from the Scholastics is for hacks.

>>12450186
>>12451877
this brainlet again. go find a hobby

>>12450846
>What is pure ideology?
Are you trolling or just really new?

>>12451877
WOW PAPER BOOKS ARE SOO ANCIENT AND CULTURAL! THEY REPRESENT TRUE GRAVITAS AND ENLIGHTENMENT. SPEECH IS SO GAY AND FAKE AND INSINCERE; I WISH PEOPLE WRITE ONLY, NO ORAL DEFENSE, WHILE WEARING THEIR FEDORAS!

>>12450186
>>12451877
I'VE HEARD THE WORD SPECTACLE SO I'LL USE IT! BUT I'LL IGNORE TABLOID, MAGAZINE, BULLETIN

I WISH PEOPLE TOOK THE TIME TO think I'M SO SMART CUZ I PREFER WRITING!!!

>>12452667
>there is no telling how much of a plague their offspring will be
Or it could be the greatest language community ever synthesised. A Collaboration between the Christian atheists and the knights of faith. The pact of gnon that suspendeds theological judgement so that whatever matters now can begin without delay. If Zizek and Peterson find common ground, it will be the reconciliation of Lacan and Jung like no one has ever seen before

>>12455344
>the knights of faith
puke

>>12450647
depends on what you mean by "political"

>>12450165
Zizek is an embarassment to all slavs. He's like a warm fuzzy clown that the anglos love to laugh at. Zizek v Dugin debate when? Let this faggot talk with a real slav.

>>12455843
>Leninist-marxist slav Zishlek should debate with Putin's rootin'-tootin'-think-and-shootin' Dugin
2019 The year of SHITSHOWs confirmed

>>12455312
>>12455297
did someone make fun of you for listening to audiobooks in a different thread or something

>>12451043
what about pornhub statistics?

>>12455843
based slav-core poster

sheesh zizek gonna wipe the floor with him
you guys tihnsck ahtat ehteh will win the debate?

I guess this is one of those times were reality got there before Epic Rap Battles.