/lit/ - Literature

>>12441295
Try Julius Evola, especially Revolt Against the Modern World and Ride the Tiger

>>12441295
I really enjoyed the part in Fanged Noumena where Land was talking about smashing the patriarchy.

Try Mein Kampf

>>12441295
try chapo trap house, they have a really active subreddit

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1532441.Wall_Street_and_the_Rise_of_Hitler
>no picture on Goodreads
Weird.

try blacked.com >>12441295

I feel like communism could be a lot more interesting if it weren't filled with so many faggots who are hypersensitive about liberal baby shit like the race question, Jews, trannies etc.

Revleft was always shit but at least it had legit labor organizers on it, now it's filled with fucking trannies and nigger identity politics people. The Democratic Socialists are obviously identity politicking faggots who will sell out the working class to bicker about tranny bathrooms any day. Communists used to hate Jews too, for obvious reasons that they're so implicated in capitalism. But nowadays, every "communist" or "socialist" COINCIDENTALLY has all the same ideological fixations as bourgeois liberals/progressives. Hmm, how convenient for the bourgeoisie!

>>12441383
>nowadays, every "communist" or "socialist" COINCIDENTALLY has all the same ideological fixations as bourgeois liberals/progressives.
Stop watching mainstream media.

>>12441304
>Evola

>>12441389
I don't, I hang out with them and go to reading groups and every one of them is a pussy who is scared to talk about the nigger problem, or how capitalism uses waves of chink and muslim immigrants to dilute labor politics, without parroting liberal talking points about how everything is due to poverty. You can't get these people to just think clearly for five seconds. They are champagne socialists who run at the first sight of praxis, because they want to spend the rest of their lives talking about communism in classrooms and going on vacations with their rich parents.

>>12441389
That's from seeing them online
I've seen trots in person that are slightly less insufferable, but who were also totalitarian lunatics who seemed like a cult

>>12441398
>"everything is the fault of minorities"
Don't be surprise why you are not taken serious.

>>12441398
Liberal "socialists" are the worst. Actual communists have much more in common with conservatives than they do with the modern "left"

>>12441409
See what I mean?

How convenient you agree with statist liberals on everything when it really matters.

>>12441403
Remember when people said the two party system was an illusion? You can agree with a literal communist without having to surrender core ideas.

>>12441414
Just drop the attack on minorities and focus on specific actors. Addres the root of the problem and you'll have a conversation.

>>12441413
Sad fact, but if we don't get into detail people might think you mean conservatism as preserving the status quo, which is not.

>>12441425
Why should I "drop" anything? If people are too weak and effeminate to talk about real issues because it hurts their feelings, then those capable of talking about real issues will simply search elsewhere. Which is what's happening across the board in this culture, as the left is being abandoned for the more effective right.

>>12441413
Exactly.

>>12441437
Want to keep a conversation? Try to find the root of the problem not the symptom. Is the only way to have a civilized discussion, even if you are right and suffer from attacks yourself for bringing up a conversation.

And I don't mean you have to drop the critics at all, you can thread the issues from your personal concern to the common issue you discuss, like for example if you dislike immigration you can relate it with why the immigration exist in the first place. Is just tactics.

>>12441462
Well sure, if I am trying to manipulate people by cherry-picking which ideas to broach with them, I agree with you there. But I'm not talking about that, I'm wondering why I have to tiptoe around major issues in the first place.

Jews and niggers are a cause as well as a symptom of capitalism. The symptoms are deliberately weaponized too.

>>12441586
You know is just ad hominem when you attack a group of people right? Start with the direct problem, and if it fails then look for a common problem. Otherwise I only see nonsense to be honest.

>>12441608
Ad hominem specifically refers to when someone says "X only thinks A because of D," where D is some ulterior motive or cause. For example, if a cigarette company CEO tells you that cigarettes aren't bad for you because one scientist says they aren't, it would be ad hominem and fallacious to argue against his claim on the basis that he is motivated to make it. You can point that out, but it's technically irrelevant to the claim's truth or falsity in itself, which is what is relevant. The non-fallacious response would be something like pointing out that many scientists disagree with that one scientist, and the authority of a single scientist, who may even be lying for monetary gain, doesn't matter much anyway.

"Attacking a group" has nothing to do with ad hominem and vice versa. Someone is making a claim in this case, that nigger immigrants dilute working class politics wherever they are imported, therefore it's in the best interests of capitalists to import niggers, therefore we ought to consider limiting immigration and preventing this problem.

The fact that you are being evasive and changing the parameters of the discussion just proves how fucking pathetic you are. You are a slave to the capitalist because you play his tune. You don't even have to hate niggers to agree that they are a problem for labor organization and a cause of lumpenproletariat formation. I am just telling you this because you are losing allies, I don't really care personally if you want to plug your ears and ignore it.

>>12441631
I was about to help you on your problem with nobody taking you serious until
>The fact that you are being evasive and changing the parameters of the discussion just proves how fucking pathetic you are.
Whcih is an ad hominen.

Congrats on proving why nobody wants to talk with you.

Why is that "alt-right" thinks himself so smart but when talking is so evidently stupid? Is there a neurological pathology for this?

I've been trying to read The Wages of Whiteness and the author seems to imply the working class suffers from class trauma and tries to cope its working class problems into blaming blacks and foreigners.

>>12441608
liberal individualist frameworks can never address political problems caused by people who are acting as a part of a group on behalf of the group, or simply the average cultural output of groups and their implications. it would be pointless to discuss in detail each individual case out of thousands of cases where a somali transplant attacked someone. you don't need to do this to know that somalis have a higher proclivity towards violence, what the implications of that are, and what can potentially be done about it.

>>12441295
>give me your best books against fascism. Also lets discuss anti-fascism.

>>12441659
At least try in layman's terms to say "the somali are all a violent group", then we can discuss if they are and what to do if they are.

So, if they "all are", what to do? And, are there enough cases to say "they all are"?

>>12441671
whether or not they all are is irrelevant. 'not all x are like that' is a fallacy.
you want to reduce incidence of x event. y population is disproportionately involved in x event. contact with y population should thus be avoided.

>>12441675
Oh look, is mainstream media scaremongering again

>>12441685
>promoting and normalizing alternative lifestyles
>scaremongering
It's only scary for fascists who still believe in morals and bibles and qurans & stupid things like that.

the conclusion of anti-fascism: white colonizers get colon-ized.

>>12441682
That is not logic, the first two statements were contrary. You can't say is irrelevant and immediately after say the result of the implication is a fallacy. That third statement also implies the importance generalization.

But nonetheless, will you treat violence as epidemic with those minorities as the carriers? Because then you would have to consider many more types of violence.

>>12441694
It is fearmongering. Look, ethics is a social construct. It is by no means an accident mainstream media floods with propaganda that some didn't even asked. Is a false flag of normalization, this normal doesn't exist.

Want an example of something that is not normal and is an obvious attack? Look at this motherfucker >>12441700
He is promoting sexualization in a thread that doesn't involved any extreme. That is not a conversation, is an appeal to emotion. A clear diversion tactic to raise a concern that wasn't there.

>>12441701
>That is not logic, the first two statements were contrary. You can't say is irrelevant and immediately after say the result of the implication is a fallacy.
Irrelevant in the sense of non-sequitur critique.

>will you treat violence as epidemic with those minorities as the carriers? Because then you would have to consider many more types of violence.
Minorities can be quarantined if they are disproportionately violent and hail from high-risk lands.

>>12441682
you're arguing with a retard who is responding in bad faith and who will never concede a single thing to you.

>>12441701
you misunderstand me or you are intentionally trying to invent weeds to get lost in.
they are not ALL violent, but the population is more violent than our average. this is the generalization. you misunderstood me originally and thought i meant that they are *all* violent. i am saying that i don't care to find the ones that are not violent which is practically not possible; the easiest way to solve the problem in this example is to avoid contact with them.
and i am speaking specifically of whatever type of negative action towards my group that the group in question engages in. i didn't even mention a specific type of violence and you are already trying to split hairs, ignoring the general principle at work.

>>12441712
Non-sequitur can be, true. But to prove the 'not all x are like that' you need to prove all are.

>>12441734
this is just autism

>>12441712
>Minorities can be quarantined if they are disproportionately violent and hail from high-risk lands.
You see, treating this with logic you can have a point to argue. Epidemic ordeals can help into dissecting the problem. like for example if you can prove a group has such and such violent attributes then you can prove such and such individuals are not carriers, and eventually you can find "a cure" so to speak or to identify measures that in time will work to prevent. At least in time.

>>12441734
"Some of the apples aren't poisonous" is irrelevant in response to the statement "About 90% of these apples are poisonous, so throw them out."

>>12441729
>you are intentionally trying to invent weeds to get lost in
See, nobody likes to be insulted when they have a polite conversations.

I am not ignoring at all see >>12441746
But you appear to drag a distrust that anybody who doesn't think like you is immediately an enemy.

Ignore the stormfag here >>12441718
He is after bad things.

who else sympathetic to both communism and fascism here

>>12441711
> Look, ethics is a social construct

>>12441712
>>12441751
Not the person you're arguing with, but would you argue that genetic factors play a larger role than socio-economic/environmental factors in reference to foreign crime rates, or is the opposite true? The book "The Black-White Test Score Gap" was a well-researched attempt at a refutation to the famous "Bell Curve" book. Worth consideration, I think.
I also wouldn't argue that finding the so called "good apples" from a particular region is impossible, although it would certainly prove challenging in the absence of government crime data on individuals and any sort of opportunity to "prove" one's merit through degree/skill accreditation programs.

>>12441747
Lets for a moment imagine is not people we are talking here. Are you throwing the whole batch even the ones that are not poisonous? Or are you willing to examine or create ways to effectively examine the batch to find good apples? Because to be precise you need to think in economic terms here, because that batch has implications if you ignore it, like keep on spawning.

>>12441756
>sympathetic to communism/fascism
>sympathetic to communism/capitalism
Materialist, humanist ideologies get no sympathy here, this is /lit/ not /sci/ or /biz/. Get esoteric or get out.

This book helped me understand my heteronormative implicit bigotry and made me realize adults are all phony. Please read.

>>12441764
Genetics play an important factor but moreover the geography. That said, cataloguing people has never been done right and people fucked up because of racism and now we ended up with NO DATA so we can't point fingers correctly because racists only see what they want and good samaritans don't discriminate even in the scientific sense.

Saying you can find good apples is part of the problem. We have science, we need to use it.

>>12441778
*Saying you can't find good apples is part of the problem. Sorry for the typo.

>>12441778
>just use science
OK

>>12441777
Need help detecting right wing propaganda and false flags? This book will help you homie.

>>12441788
>no context
>defending Watson, the person who stole the data from Rosalind Franklin
At least you tried.

>>12441792
Thanks comrade. Will check that literature out, any other recs?

>>12441798
the context is he shared IQ stats and the implications got him banned and stripped of titles because science is such an open-minded and objective community of big-brain thinkers.

>>12441788
How does this qualify as science again?

>>12441799
"The Belief in a Just World, A Fundamental Delusion" by Melvin J. Lerner. Scares right wingers every time.

>>12441802
>IQ
>science
Is Watson a sociologist now?

OP in all actuality fascism seems alien to me despite hearing people talk about it and being in politics my whole life. Like what would that actually look like being implemented? Most people I’ve listened to talk about white supremacy even the crazier ones just talk about things like the ethnostate and never fascism. It seems like a non-issue to me, people that do claim the name fascist are mostly larping as edgeboys, and most people accused of fascism don’t talk about it ( lookin at you Richard Spencer ). I mean I think the rise of right wing extremism is a huge problem but I don’t get the use of the concept of fascism/fascists in modern America.

>>12441657
Dunning-Kruger? If you're so clever you should've known that. It applies to most, regardless of where they lie on the political spectrum.

>>12441812
Sad truth: Fascists don't realize they worship over-glorified neo-feudalism. The racist tints are minor details to this.

"Muh return to past glory", "muh hyper-nationalism", "muh aristocratic gubermint". Is all just neo-feudalism you fucking tools.

>>12441812
>I think the rise of right wing extremism is a huge problem
why?

>>12441842
>common sense is not common sense
>disregard history
>disregard threat of violence and crime
>"because I asked a question"

>>12441850
was this supposed to be a response?

>>12441854
Was yours?

>>12441812
>OP in all actuality fascism seems alien to me despite hearing people talk about it and being in politics my whole life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Gentile#Philosophy

And
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Gentile#Philosophy

>>12441824
>>12441833
>it's some sort of thing that happened in the past
>the past is dumb, we must progress towards...more progress and more democracy and more freedumbs
t. genius

>>12441806
>>12441809

>>12441860
>genius
Thanks, how is flat earth theory doing for you?

>>12441864
>IQ
>science
Got a way to prove that? And, is it sociology or psychology?

>>12441798
What a crock of shit. Franklin didn't even take photo 51, and furthermore she already had the relevant measurements from earlier data 15 months before that image was taken. Did she extrapolate those measurements into a model of DNA or even float the notion to someone who could? No, it took the genius of Watson and Crick to do that.

Fuck off with your lies.

>>12441859
do you have autism?

>>12441878
Are you supposed to defend Watson and Crick by saying Rosalind couldn't possibly think of what she saw with her eyes?

>>12441881
Don't bring bullshit as your defense here nigger. Your fallacious attacks only prove your idiocy can't make an argument.

>>12441869
In the past people thought men were men and women were women, but now we know better because of science and progress. We can only dream of what the future holds.

>>12441890
>blaming identity politics to science

I am in serious need for a book talking on the idiocy of the right wing.

Is there any book on flat earth or reptilians?

>>12441894
Science plus enlightened humanists co-opting it for the greater good of mankind.

>>12441888
>retard gets flustered and must immediately resort to generic "FUCK /POL/" image despite no one bringing it up in the first place
have you been taking your meds recently?

>>12441909
Why so angry?

>>12441901
Reptilians and Flat Earth have no unique connection with the right wing.

>>12441906
I have the slight suspicion this idiocy is going to end up badly.

>>12441807
>The Belief in a Just World, A Fundamental Delusion
The belief that the world could or should be "just" is a hard left obsession, though.
>>12441850
>disregard threat of violence and crime
Observing immigrant behavior is what drives people to the right in the first place.

>>12441884
Don't be absurd. The photo wasn't a model of DNA, it was a pattern that confirmed what Crick and Watson had already guessed (a double helical structure). If this significance was so obvious to Franklin (again, she'd had this data for over a year), then what was she waiting for?

>>12441901
It's worthwhile reading Children's Literature, and no i don't mean CS LEWIS (christian nazi) but I mean actual progressive things that seem taboo and trigger the fascists. The right is to blame for all our modern brainwashing.

>>12441925
>Observing immigrant behavior is what drives people to the right in the first place.
You are telling me mainstream media circus is that bad? You don't say!

>>12441929
That is a creepy book in that image.

>>12441934
you don't need the media for that, just observe your neighborhood

>>12441925
>The belief that the world could or should be "just" is a hard left obsession, though.
According to whom? I know some leftists who are atheists just for the depressive reality.

>Observing immigrant behavior is what drives people to the right in the first place.
But do you suspect mass media is doing propaganda for the right?

Faggots should be culled

>>12441413
Come to think of it, I have noticed /pol/ and /leftypol/ have more in common than they think.

>>12441934
>msm is a tool of the secret, anti-immigrant nazi cabals controlling the globe and also hollywood and the social sciences
This is what Glenn Beck actually believes.

>>12441939
Bad analogy.

>>12441942
Okay, start and off yourself.

>>12441949
faggots means homosexuals. Not people you don't agree with.

>>12441940
>According to whom?
Every leftist I've ever spoken with complained about injustice and inequality in the present system.
>But do you suspect mass media is doing propaganda for the right?
Considering how few incidents of immigrant violence make it into the media, that's doubtful.
>>12441949
It wasn't an analogy.

>>12441945
Look in one of the comments above. We should regard those who don't want to collaborate solving core issues as tools.

>>12441949
Make me you fucking pussy

>>12441952
So? You are a fag, you said you want to cull fags, do it faggot!

Disgusting thread. Isn't this a worksafe board? Why are we allowing such violent, hateful ideologies to post here? Haven't you hit enough old people in the head with bike locks, starved enough Ukranians, or aborted enough chinese babies to satisfy your bloodlust, you sick "anti-fascist" bigot?

>>12441955
>Every leftist I've ever spoken with complained about injustice and inequality in the present system.
Not evidence of a belief in a just world but rejection in current justice.
>Considering how few incidents of immigrant violence make it into the media, that's doubtful.
Where do you get your information?

>>12441963
Why are you defending the fascist bigots in this board?

>>12441962
Why are you getting upset?
>>12441963
Amen comrade, these people have no respect for the Just World we are creating through literature and science.

>>12441963
Excuse me, do you want CENSORSHIP for criticizing the right? Because those allegations of everyone criticizing your fascist ideology are not true.

>>12441981
So you were criticizing science and progress a few posts before and now you claim to be the avatar of enlightenment? Fucking hypocrite.

>>12441975
it's safe to say that leddit and buzzfeed are a small minority on this board, so I have to ask you, do you know where you are?

Does science really say that race and IQ are correlated? Isn't this topic fairly debatable in academia?

>>12441990
Is that a threat faggot? You were all triggered claiming violence a couple posts before. Fuck off nigger.

>>12441989
>So you were criticizing science and progress a few posts before
Why would anyone critique the wonderful marriage of science and "progress" ?

>>12441994
IQ is too imperfect to be taken seriously. It can change and has been proven to be relative.

>>12441994
There's an undeniable correlation between testosterone and IQ and it's well known that testosterone varies between races it's just contentious not to say otherwise.

>>12441295
>anti-fascists
>books
They don't really strike me as the reading type, anon.

>>12441997
how wrong he was

>>12442005
>It can change and has been proven to be relative.
Ya it's been shown to be 70% relative to your genetics (and by extension race).

>>12441999
>changing opinions like they were shirts
This is you right now.

>>12441999

>>12442013
[CITATION NEEDED]

>>12442006
>>12442013
Not trying to argue, but could you tell me where the info for that is from specifically? Asking because curious

>>12442014
>changing opinions
That's progress. Now recommend me some anti-fascist thinkers and literature. Have you read Adorno?

>>12442008
Maybe you should read more yourself.

>>12442025
What for? You are just trolling here, fuck off.

>>12441956
I don't post that as a derogatory statement. They actually are in agreement on some key issues.
>Anti-globalism
>Anti-Capitalism/Neoliberalism
>Anti identity politics
>Anti Israel

>>12442020
Inconclusive at most, nonexistent as a fact. Watch this if you truly believe in IQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCrmSzi_voU

>>12442026
>a woman

>>12442020
>>12442018
I use the 70% figure because that's what I read years ago. New studies put 'g' at 80 or 86% genetic.

"Twin Study of Aging (VETSA), a study of middle-aged male twins. Results indicated that a hierarchical (higher-order) model with a latent g phenotype, as well as specific cognitive domains, was best supported by the data. The latent g factor was highly heritable (86%), and accounted for most, but not all, of the genetic effects in specific cognitive domains and elementary cognitive tests."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4002017/

>>12442032
Well yeah, the activism is killed but the problems are still there. If I were to think in a conspiracy theory I would think this is all a strategy from the establishment to kill any resistance.

But how to bring back common actions? That is what we should debate.

>>12442038
>Genetic and Environmental Influences of General Cognitive Ability
>ENVIRONMENTAL
At least you tried.

>>12442038
The study is in twins, you failed to understand how this genetic influence of cognitive screening is not factor on ethnics IQ.

>>12442038
Yep, twins studies are pretty hard to argue with (especially separated twins).

>>12442043
So you're ignoring the paper's conclusion that 'g' is 86% heritable (i.e genetic) and you're focusing on the word "ENVIRONMENTAL" in the title of the paper, with no context...

Oh man. You owned me, wow. Such logic.

>>12442049
>twins show how different your relatives can be
>"but is all about race"
Yep, is hard to argue with a wall.

>>12442052
They didn't separate environmental from inherited traits you mong.

>>12442053
twin studies show that genetics trumps environment when it comes to cognitive powers.

>>12442057
>heritable
>environmental
>confusing the two
Wow you can't read and you didn't read. You skimmed the title and made a knee-jerk response. Go read the paper.

>>12442057
"The latent g factor was highly heritable (86%), and accounted for most, but not all, of the genetic effects in specific cognitive domains and elementary cognitive tests."

I can't bring the understanding of genetics to the discussion because the level of knowledge here is unknown, but I certainly like the debate though.

>>12442058
>It is also possible that the observed magnitude of genetic influences and/or the underlying genetic and environmental covariance structure observed in the present sample could vary as a function of any number of socioeconomic factors.
No.

>>12442062
No, also
>It has repeatedly been shown that socioeconomic factors sometimes influence the genetic and environmental determinants of cognition both during childhood and in adulthood

>>12442066
The factor they used ("g") had effect. Even if you say to me you understand what that means, you still are ignoring the rest of what that article says.

It does relate environment to the expression. It does not relate IQ to race.

>>12442039
If they were to form an activist coalition, they must have a firm understanding on what their mutual goals are, and have zero tolerance for partisan politics. Anyone who tries to co-opt the movement for their own ends must immediately be routed out and dealt with. Even Marx kicked feminists out of his Communist revolution meetings.

>>12442067
Those are just disclaimers so their paper doesn't get labeled racist and totally censored. Their results show that 'g' is highly heritable at 86%, which explains the data. The environment only accounted for 14%.

Your greentext is just possibilities, hypothesis trying to cushion the truth. They want to say that maybe environment changes genetics itself....ya maybe, but their study didn't show that, the study showed that genetics accounts for majority of cognitive powers/intelligence.

>>12442053
The fuck are you on about? The importance of genes in determining IQ is established, so of course genetically divergent populations will exhibit different average distributions of IQ.

>>12442072
>It does relate environment to the expression. It does not relate IQ to race.
I showed how it's largely genetic, and that's enough.
The racial implication is obvious and there are studies about it too, but they are highly taboo. Watson got excommunicated from science for basically saying the same thing. Races differ in IQ, IQ is also highly genetic.

But this is a lit board, not a science board. Lets keep this about authors and novels.

>>12442073
We need to make this happen, just like you said. Bring the solutions, kick out identity politics.

You really trying to argue that niggers aren't genetically dumber than us? This shit is hard science at this point. Even if you pretend all the genetic correlations are somehow socioeconomic factors even though the researches control for that, consider that they literally have smaller brains and therefore a lower EQ. You wanna be pro diversity or whatever fine but at least admit the genetic differences between races, don't fucking lie to yourself.

>>12442077
>Those are just disclaimers so their paper doesn't get labeled racist and totally censored
Suppositions
>Your greentext is just possibilities
The entire article is just an hypothesis, get that.
>They want to say that
Hold on there cowboy, you are trying to left out what you don't like but want to cherry pick what you do like? That is not science.

>>12442079
>The importance of genes in determining IQ is established
[CITATION NEEDED]
>so of course genetically divergent populations will exhibit different average distributions of IQ.
According to whom? You?

>>12442084
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14629696/

>>12442084
>I showed how it's largely genetic
No.
>The racial implication is obvious
No.
>Watson got excommunicated from science for basically saying the same thing
According to who?

Sorry but you make too many assumptions.

>>12442085
I basically reiterated what Ted Kaczynski said on revolutions, but yeah.

>>12442095
> were analyzed in a sample of 7-year-old twins
Anon it's common knowledge that environment influence on intelligence is stronger in childhood and that later in life is where the genes kick in and racial differences become apparent, as shown in things like the Minnesota adoption study
When we talk about the habitability of IQ we're always talking about Adult IQ

This is all ultimately besides the point, I don't want my people replaced by low IQ blacks/hispanics or high IQ east asians. We should be able to have in group preference, just like everyone else. If fascism were the only way to stop the demographic war on us (or even the only way to start fighting back), I would gladly embrace it regardless of the downsides.

>>12442095
>>12442102
I've been trying to find an study showing the brain can change its DNA but can't find it. Just wanted to comment on that.

>>12442106
Whites probably should have stayed in Europe then

>>12442111
And you should've stayed in your mom's anus you little runt.

>>12442112
Classic fascist "argument"

>>12442114
It's not an argument, is an unapologetic expression of my disdain for you.

I love the discussion thus far, I've been looking for interesting scientific articles. Thanks.

>>12442117
Wow, so edgy, so woke. If this is the best example of the brilliance of fascism then I am impressed.

Can only imagine what a fascist world would mean for intellectuals.

>>12441901
Still waiting for this.

>>12442123
I'm not a fascist, I just said I would be if that's what it took. The 'antifas' have been thoroughly trounced in this thread, as will be clear to anyone who peruses it. Cope all you want.

>>12442123
>dislikes ad hominems
>like niggers who use their fists to resolve arguments
Hypocritical desu

>>12442093
>>12442097
Paper showed 86% genetic heritability.
You can say "no no no" all you want. Doesn't matter.

>>12442095
those are kids. look at teens/ adults. You being disengenous or you just don't know?


The research shows anywhere from 70 to 86% genetic heritability of IQ in adults.

"The heritability of intelligence increases from about 20% in infancy to perhaps 80% in later adulthood. (ii) "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270739/

=Genetics and intelligence differences: five special findings=
" Intelligence is one of the most heritable behavioural traits. Here, we highlight five genetic findings that are special to intelligence differences and that have important implications for its genetic architecture and for gene-hunting expeditions.

>>12442140
>Paper showed 86% genetic heritability.
Of a trait that twins can or cannot share. A level of "intelligence" can be favored by genetics, I'll give you that. But I still doubt you understand that article or what IQ means.

>>12442111
Checked. I'd gladly prefer the trans-Atlantic slave trade never happened it it means we would never have jazz, R&B, hip-hop, rap, BET, thug culture, ebonics, the Civil War, race politics, affirmative action, crack-cocaine, high urban crime rates, the Civil Rights era, interracial porn, and Barack Obama.

>>12442102
The study found that "(a) putative genetic racial differences do not account for a major portion of the IQ performance difference between racial groups, and (b) black and interracial children reared in the culture of the tests and the schools perform as well as other adopted children in similar families."

Source: Weinberg, R. A.; Scarr, S.; Waldman, I. D. (1992). "The Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study: A follow-up of IQ test performance at adolescence". Intelligence. 16: 118. doi:10.1016/0160-2896(92)90028-p.

>>12442140
>Look at teens
>The Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study: A follow-up of IQ test performance at adolescence
>>12442155

>>12442140
>Intelligence is one of the most heritable behavioural traits
If you think intelligence is scientifically defined you are in for a wild ride. Also, if a scientist proclaims to know he immediately knows how to replicate intelligence, thus, he can increase intelligence in people without "the genetics for intelligence", so please please let me know when that happens.

>>12442129
t. fascist

>>12442163
It's quite a strawman to suggest that we need to have what is obviously a complex polygenic trait mapped out for measurements of its more apparent consequences to mean anything.

If you are still stuck in the whole "IQ is genetic" debate please accept these facts:
1. IQ is not permanent, is been proven it can be increased, and socioeconomic factors are critical.
2. Genetics traits can show only 1 ("one") factor of intelligence, and if is proven you immediately have solved the full problem of the interactome (check that).
3. If the study achieves a status beyond just an hypothesis, then it can be replicated, and if can be replicated it no longer is tied to one individual as genetic engineering is possible.

>>12442161
>On measures of cognitive ability (IQ tests) and school performance, black children in the U.S. have performed worse than white children. At the time of the study, the gap in average performance between the two groups of children was approximately one standard deviation, which is equivalent to about 15 IQ points or 4 grade levels at high school graduation. Thus, the average IQ score of black children in the U.S. was approximately 85, compared to the average score of white children of 100. No detectable bias due to test construction or administration had been found, although this does not rule out other biases. The gap is functionally significant, which makes it an important area of study

Yes at least they admit this "gap" exists.

The study can go either way, it doesn't really show anything substantive. Even the authors admit this:

>"In a 1998 article, Scarr wrote: "The test performance of the Black/Black adoptees [in the study] was not different from that of ordinary Black children reared by their own families in the same area of the country. My colleagues and I reported the data accurately and as fully as possible, and then tried to make the results palatable to environmentally committed colleagues. In retrospect, this was a mistake. The results of the transracial adoption study can be used to support either a genetic difference hypothesis or an environmental difference one (because the children have visible African ancestry). We should have been agnostic on the conclusions [...]."[11] Later opinions supported Scarr's reassessment. For example, one group of authors wrote, "Generally, scholars in the field of intelligence see the evidence from this study . . . as consistent with both environmental and genetic hypotheses for the cause of Group IQ score differences . . .""

So it's absolutely nothing.
The studies I showed you are far superior, intelligence is highly genetic.

>>12442172
Oh no, some self-hating white or mystery meat defending his own interests thinks I'm a fascist/racist etc. for defending mine. Where do you think you are?

>>12442106
The funny thing is that ideology doesn't exist in a vacuum anymore, you now have to make major existential considerations when making decisions about ideology

For example, no matter how socialist you are or aren't, the Chinese are going to overrun the entire planet and replace everyone with chinks, while polluting everything and destroying all of nature. They literally burn dogs alive and shit. No matter your ideology, "STOP THE CHINKS" is probably Priority #1. Better an imperfect European ethnostate than holding out for illusory perfection while chinks actually ruin the actual world.

>>12441295
No one knows what fascism is, so it's pretty hard to be against. Those 'fascist threads' are probably nothing of the sort, too.

>>12442182
>Yes at least they admit this "gap" exists.
Not him but watch this video >>12442035

>>12442185
See >>12441833

Say with me "Vive la révolution".

>>12442183
Good argument

>>12442155
>>12442161
>black and interracial children reared in the culture of the tests and the schools perform as well as other adopted children in similar families."
What? That's clearly not the case though

>>12442183
>self-hating white
implying
>thinks I'm a fascist/racist etc
Why are you defending fascist thou?

>>12442201
Where's non-adopted with two black parents? wtf i want my racism fully informed

>>12442184
White nations returning to healthy in-group preference and uncontested white majorities would be the best foil against the chinks. No one else can even slow them down. As it is, they laugh as the 'baizuos' and imported non-white electorate drag us into oblivion.

What was the name of that faggot who defended feudalism and was against the french revolution? He was big in the conservative history, so is probably right to think fascism is just neo-feudalism.

>>12442210
>white nations adopting jew tactics is the only way forward

You ought to get the rope for that.

>>12442195
t.Stefan

>>12442213
Burke? De Maistre?

>>12442213
The faggot name is Edmund Burke.

>>12442219
>>12442220
Burke, that faggot.

>>12442208
The point is that kids of all races are being raised in the same environment of white parents. A reverse study showing the IQs of white and asian kids raised by blacks compared with blacks raised by blacks would be funny though. Even in an environment like that the white average would certainly be well above 89.

>>12442215
It's everyone's tactics but us whites, who are indeed fools for suffering such an obvious double standard.

>>12442231
It's incomplete data though meaning we can only speculate as to its meaningfulness

Did you guys found the genes for intelligence yet? Looking forward for a genetic treatment.

>>12442203
what's wrong with fascism? ethics are social constructs to your ideology.

>>12442236
It's not incomplete, you're just retarded and don't understand the scientific method

>>12442240
>piece of information missing
>not incomplete

How's brainwashing school

>>12442238
What's good with fascism? "Ethics are social constructs to your ideology".

>>12442246
What's fascism?

>>12442253
woots

>>12442257
It's important to define terms. What's fascism?

>>12442260
Why are you defending what you don't know again?

>>12442260
No matter what, he won't give you a definition.

>>12442265
Where have i defended anything? I just got here. Define what you mean by fascism. I will not accept other people's definitions, only yours.

>>12442268
But that's wrong you faggot, the one talking in circles is you. Define fascism nigger, go ahead.

>>12442237
The Chinese will get there in time. It will be funny seeing the deniers start demanding free and ubiquitous treatments for the 'genetically disadvantaged'.

>>12442277
The race that masters eugenics will without a doubt inherit the world.

>>12442246
>"Ethics are social constructs to your ideology".
No, I'm not a liberal or naturalist.

>>12441304
kek you’re cute anon

>>12441759
/thread

>>12441343
The absolute state of leftism hahaha

>>12442282
Most certainly.

>/lit/ is smart!
>we only want intelligent discourse!
>nazis are objectively evil!

>define your terms

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>12442273
Want to criticize my definition? I'll give you Wikipedia
>Fascism (/ˈfæʃJzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.

>>12442302
I don't want arguments from authority. Give me your opinion. paraphrase wikipedia's if you don't have an opinion of it.

>>12442302
TL;DR, racist authoritarian faggots.

>>12442308
Racist authoritarian faggots. Now YOU give me your definition Mr authoritarian.

>fascists can't even define fascism

Holy kek

>>12442312
so your definition depends on yet more undefined buzzwords? So be it. What do you mean by racist and authoritarian?

>>12442316
YOU didn't define fascism, FUCK OFF HYPOCRITE!

>>12442321
You're right, because i'm not the one arguing that it's bad. You are. First define why it's bad. What does racism mean? What does authoritarian mean? We're right at the start.

Racist = "muh joos", "muh niggers"
Authoritarian = "no you tell me what I want, I don't answer questions"
Faggots = "why are you criticizing me reeee"

>>12441295
Deleuze's entrie body of work is one tirade against fascism, but you're probably looking for some gay-ass "MUH NIGGERHATERS" shit.

>>12442325
>Fascism will work this time! Late Degeneracy will collapse!

>>12442321
>hypocrite
what's wrong with that? ethics are a social construct to non-fascists, like the rules of chess. So what?

>>12442325
>define why it's bad
good and bad are meaningless to them. Their response is to seethe.

>>12442327
These are anecdotes at best, strawmen at worst. Do not even know the meaning of the word "define"? If you don't want to have a discussion, then just say so.

>>12442325
Why are you defending fascism? Why are you racist? Why are you asking questions and not answering none?

That is too hypocrite. Just like fascism, full of hypocrisy.

>>12442337
Don't want to answer questions yourself? Stop whining for being called a hypocrite.

>>12442338
still can't say why anything is bad

>>12442338
>Why are you defending fascism
>Why are you racist?
Where have i done that?
>>Why are you asking questions and not answering none?
I am trying to understand why you think it's bad. That's all.
Do you consider your ideas to be strong?

>>12442344
You're saying you want to be left to hate in peace? You're not interested in any discussion or debate?

>fascist don't like being called fascists
>don't like being called hypocrites too
>don't like being called authoritarian but DEMAND to being answered

>when you forget why you're supposed to hate fascism

>>12442354
The truth does not fear investigation.

>>12442352
Want a civil discussion, give answers. Don't be a hypocrite.

>>12442358
>when someone posts an anti-fascist thread and acts like a gigantic faggot in it and it makes you sympathetic toward the fascists

Remember when the mass media wanted to silence the critics? Fascists are the sockpuppets now, hypocrites who never answer simple questions.

>>12442360
Give answers to what?

Reasons to be against fascism:
They are the sockpuppets of capitalism.
They want violence against people and want a bloodbath against minorities.
They halt progress of science.

>>12442369
social media companies are fascists because they silenced alex jones?

>>12442369
Who owns the media?

>>12442374
the nazis were capitalists?
communists were never violent?
fascists are the ones who deny basic biology in appeals to emotion regarding "gender"?

>>12442376
>>12442376
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

>>12442374
They are hypocrite faggots
They are violent authoritarians

>>12442382
>>12442374
>communism is a good alternative to capitalism
it's the same shit, you sockpuppet

>>12442369
Malcolm X was a fascist, love that guy.

>>12442376
you mean the people or their ideology?

>>12442382
all laws require violence and authority. Do you propose a world without laws that will somehow result in the eradication of violence and authority?

>>12442376
Who? Are they capitalist scum?

>>12442389
Isn't fascism illegal in Germany?

>>12442392
There was systematic political abuse of psychiatry in the Soviet Union,[1] based on the interpretation of political opposition or dissent as a psychiatric problem.[2] It was called "psychopathological mechanisms" of dissent.[3]

During the leadership of General Secretary Leonid Brezhnev, psychiatry was used to disable and remove from society political opponents ("dissidents") who openly expressed beliefs that contradicted the official dogma.[4][5] The term "philosophical intoxication", for instance, was widely applied to the mental disorders diagnosed when people disagreed with the country's Communist leaders and, by referring to the writings of the Founding Fathers of Marxism–Leninism—Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, and Vladimir Lenin—made them the target of criticism.[6]

>>12442386
Not that I approve of communism, but fuck fascism.

>>12442394
I'm not familiar with germany's laws.

>>12442399
It's amazing how so many people can hate a thing but they can't say exactly why.

>>12442376
>>12442397
Book recommendation here, Manufacturing Consent. Capitalism loves censorship while shoving fascist propaganda down your throat.

>>12442404
Are you blind, it has been said again and again here.

>>12442410
>capitalism is bad
>here's a book, you have to buy it so the author can make money

>>12442404
Please read the thread before you post.

>>12442413
So far i've got
>fascism is bad because it's racist and authoritarian and those things are bad because they are.

Not much to go on, i'm afraid. Seems like it hasn't been thought through very far.

>>12442414
You are right, FUCK copyright.

>>12442417
I did. What exactly did i miss?

>>12442420
Fuck off troll

After reading the things posted about genetics, I think it is a possibility that certain racial/ethnic groups do tend to have higher or lower IQs on average. It has been argued by some that these differences are the product of environmental and social circumstance, and while this is likely a component of the situation, I don't believe it explains IQ disparity entirely. This all plays a factor, of course, in one's likelihood of success in life(financially speaking).
I think you're deluding yourself if you assume this legitimizes racial hatred/dehumanization, however.
I was a participant in the discussion beforehand, btw, and have revised my opinion.

>>12442422
Are you also against the concept of private property?

>>12442427
The problem is in the definition of IQ. Is volatile, you have to think many people with high IQ are not very functional or social individuals for example.

>>12442435
iq is not a metric of social ability.

>>12442428
A book about private property?

>>12441295
>anti-fascist books
Good thread, OP. MY neighborhood is literally crawling with literal NAZIS like pic related.

And dry those tears, I too hate free speech, especially on a literature board!

>>12442438
No, it isn't as far as I know.

>>12442439
private property in general. It only makes people unequal.

>>12442444
so it's not as volatile as you thought?

>>12442410
>capitalism loves censorship
Capitalism loves profit, if there is profit to be made in aligning with far-left ideology, censoring whites and conservatives, and talking down to men, then they will do it. If there seems to be enough public support for the censorship they will do it, it's democratic in a way. Mob rule.

>look at this book by a retarded liberatrian capitalist who thinks unions are the solution to capitalist problems
kek, already over the chomsky phase.

The censorship in that pic I posted is more akin to communist censorship, hence I posted the link to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

>>12442448
What? How do you even relate that answer?

>>12442453
you said it was volatile with your example being that smart people aren't always social, despite acknowledging that iq was never meant to determine social skills.

>>12442449
Isn't white censorship fantasy mainly consumed by fascist white males? Isn't that their target audience, fascist white males?

>>12442460
No, the volatility is related to studies showing people's IQ can change over time.

>>12442461
twitter is communist?

>>12442469
downwards, yes. Not upwards, unless you can prove otherwise.

>>12442475
But it was proven that, with practice, it increases? That is why socioeconomic factors raise IQ in population.

>>12441383
>Jews
Did you know that the US gassed Mexicans with Zyklon B every day for years... but jews catch a whiff and die?

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5176177

Weird, huh?

>>12442477
>But it was proven that, with practice, it increases?
Not in the slightest bit. We are all born with a maximum that can only deteriorate...
>That is why socioeconomic factors raise IQ in population.
...depending on nutrition and upbringing.

>>12442479
>mass exodus of millions of jews from Europe to the US during and between the world wars
Weird, huh?
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-population-in-the-united-states-nationally
>mass exodus of millions of jews to newly formed Israel immediately after WW2
Weird, huh?

>>12441295
>disliking mods allowing content you dont like
>posts satirical wrongthink image
hmmm

>>12442485
>mass increase in media and literature of the use of the term "holocaust" LEADING UP to WW2, well before Hitler took power
Weird, huh?

>>12442479
Did they took a deep breath too?

>>12442484
But that is not true. Who told you that?

>>12442275
>Define fascism
Being against baby murder is fascist. Especially if you are a white male.

>>12441389
WE don't.
You're not the exception, there's not a deeper level to the left "We" just fail to appreciate. we're seeing the same things you're seeing and reading the same things you're reading.
And thus we know, for a fact, that you're a faggot.
Even If not a faggot as big as This guy
>>12441413
How do you like having been obsoleted?

>>12442479
>>12442485
>>12442489
Congrats on bringing shit we don't like. Are you looking for an excuse to nuke the thread? Are you already looking to kill a thread you don't like

Fucking fascists.

>>12442489
>mass increase in media and literature of the use of the term "holocaust" LEADING UP to WW2, well before Hitler took power
Here's a sampling of the numerous times jews invoked the "holocaust" and "6 million", their magic Talmud number, leading up to WW2... pic related.

Also, here's a video of a guy simply reading old newspaper articles about the 6 million... PRE-WW2... that's all he's doing... it's been restricted in the US... it's probably completely unavailable if you live in Europe... what an odd thing to censor, a guy literally just reading old newspaper articles. Curious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

if blocked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=763anDaYF1U

>>12442491
>But that is not true. Who told you that?
A fucking lot of people, actually. Mostly twin studies prove it. Even if you give certain kids to super smart parents, the kids only ever perform about as well as their actual parents and vice versa.

>>12441425
>Just drop the attack on minorities and focus on specific actors.
We did it for generations and got ignored to irrelevancy. Its either the showers or Nothing with you guys.

>>12442494
Damn those kids are pasty.

>>12442494
Nice false flag, and you ask why nobody likes fascsits.

>>12442496
I thought fascists were the ones censoring people?

>>12442496
>WE don't like.
>cries in OP about muh oppression
Makes me think.

>>12442497
Do you know how did Anne Frank died? Pic related.

The US had their own interment camps for US Japanese.

Jews died. From best we can now tell around 300,000-900,000.

There was no large scale extermination. The gas chambers are obviously a lie.

The deaths were via starvation and typus (what Anne Frank herself died of in April 1945 at the end of the war).

Germans could not feed and provide material for themselves, much less their jew POWs. The same thing would have happened to the US japaneese POWs had the US mainland came under such massive duress.

When you are shown pictures of the dead jews the allies found at the end of the war, those are typus (mostly) and starvation victims. Gassing does not somehow magically make you emaciated and skinny.

Their emaciation clearly indicates they were kept alive for as long as possible.

They were treated extremely well (by POW standards) until the last months of the war, when Germany was cut off from material and fuel due to allied bombing and the two fronts closing in. When they couldn't even take care of their own citizens, of course the POWs were going to get the worst of it.

e.g like it was pointed out above, Anne Frank (a child) was still alive until April 1945, literally weeks before the end of the war, and she died of the TYPHUS outbreak that plagued Germany throughout the war. Even the jews admit this. And her father survived the camp... living until 1980, becoming wealthy telling her daughter's "story".

It's a shame Germans didn't take precautions to prevent the typhus outbreak that plagued Germany thoughout the war... e.g. disinfecting the camps with the primary typhus treatment at the time, the pesticide Zyklon B which kills the insect that causes typhus, and burning typhus diseased corpses and clothing etc. like the British did when they liberated her camp.

Oh wait...

>>12442504
From this thread it would seem that people dislike fascists because they were told to dislike them. They haven't thought it out on their own time or they'd be better able to explain it.

>>12442512
Were there a handful of crematoriums? Yep. Millions were interned in POW camps at various times. They were good-sized cities and typhus (what Anne Frank died of towards the end of the war in April of 1945) was rampant. It was a necessity.

Enough to cremate gorzilllions in 3 years? Nope. Not even close, a ridiculous proposition. In fact the handful there actually were were multiplied many times over by fake ones built post-war... and still not anywhere close to enough. This is all thoroughly documented. Plus it's basic math.

Were jews treated for disease and delousing? Yep.

Were jews "gassed" in some sort of overly complicated Rube Goldberg method of mass killing? Nope.

Did jews die? Yep. Especially towards the end of the war as there wasn't enough food and supplies to take care of the Germans themselves, much less jew POWs. Why do you think the allies found camps full of ALIVE albeit starving jews? And the dead jews found, dead due to starvation? GASSING DOESN'T MAGICALLY MAKE YOU SKINNY.

Did 6 jews million die? Nope. Again, basic math in regards to the jew population post-war. 300,000-900,000 died in camps do to a combination of disease and starvation. There was NO multi-million scale organized mass killing of jews.

Is history written by the victors? Yep.

Has the holohoax been used to maintain and expand jew control upon the world? Yep.

Is jew power linchpinned to this fabrication and this is why kikes conduct a continual propaganda spin campaign? Yep.

And they are fully prepared to do so for the next 1,000 years.

>>12442501
Here https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1041608016300231
Don't believe everything you see on the internet.

>>12442494
Baby murder is the left's most holy and revered sacrament. Moloch's larder gotta be filled.

>>12442494
Also white women too

>>12442504
Get the fuck off my board you stupid fucking reddit fag. If you can't tell the difference between a shitpost and a "false flag" you clearly don't belong here.

EVERY major concentration camp was found to have Zyklon B on site (due to the typhus plague), both the USSR captured "extermination camps" and the US captured non-extermination camps.

Pic: jews initially claimed all 30+ POW camps were "extermination camps".

Then every camp captured by the US showed zero evidence of "extermination chambers" or any other form of systematic mass killing.

ONLY the Soviets claimed they found evidence of large scale gas chamber killing... after refusing outside investigators for years... and after (now admittedly) RECONSTRUCTING the camps.

What a coincidence.

Soviet reconstructions and other lies exposed, ON SITE, here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae_WSV4n-u8

Up until 1945, Allied propaganda claimed that all the concentration camps, particularly those in Germany itself, were "extermination camps", but not for long. Soon US troops saw the truth for themselves. Well respected American historian Harry Elmer Barnes wrote:

"These camps were first presented as those in Germany, such as Dachau, Belsen, Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and Dora, but it was soon demonstrated that there had been no systematic extermination in those camps. Attention was then moved to Auschwitz, Treblinka, Belzec and Birkenau, which does not exhaust the list that appears to have been extended as needed" (Rampart Journal, Summer 1967).

What had happened was that honest observers among the British and American occupation forces in Germany, while admitting that many inmates had indeed died of disease and starvation in the final months of the war, had found no evidence at all of "gas chambers". As a result, eastern camps in the Russian zone of occupation such as Auschwitz and Treblinka gradually came to be known as the "extermination camps" in the holocaust mythos , although no western observers were permitted to see them until years later.

>>12442504
Yeah, no.
This is how your side reasons.
Deal with it.
Also stop stealing other people's memes.

>>12442512
>The US had their own interment camps for US Japanese.
>Jews died. From best we can now tell around 300,000-900,000.
>There was no large scale extermination. The gas chambers are obviously a lie.
>The deaths were via starvation and typus (what Anne Frank herself died of in April 1945 at the end of the war).
>Germans could not feed and provide material for themselves, much less their jew POWs. The same thing would have happened to the US japaneese POWs had the US mainland came under such massive duress.
>When you are shown pictures of the dead jews the allies found at the end of the war, those are typus (mostly) and starvation victims. Gassing does not somehow magically make you emaciated and skinny.
>Their emaciation clearly indicates they were kept alive for as long as possible.
The Germans couldn't feed their own soldiers and civilians by the end of the war, much less their POWs. They were taken very well care of until the later stages of the war and Hitler had planned on sending them to Madagascar. Nazi Germany literally created plans to exile Europe’s Jewish population to the African island. Support for the proposal was first made June 3rd 1940 in a memo from the German Foreign Office, then got Hitler's approval, and it was nearly put into action before Allied gains in World War II made it untenable.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-01-29/nazi-plan-relocate-jews-madagascar-one-world-war-iis-forgotten-what-ifs

>>12442521
The picture is clearly a false flag, fuck off. And take your shitposters with you.

>>12442518
The sample size is quite low on that. Other than that i would argue that we don't have sufficient genetic testing. The most likely explanation for those results is that the kids IQ was higher than what the initial testing was able to determine, and that proper training helped them reach closer to their limits. God know most people on earth will never get close to their maximum potential, not with how schools and culture are these days at least.

How do you dispute the litany of twin studies and adoption studies?

>>12442512
>They were treated extremely well (by POW standards) until the last months of the war, when Germany was cut off from material and fuel due to allied bombing and the two fronts closing in. When they couldn't even take care of their own citizens, of course the POWs were going to get the worst of it.
What was life really like in the Auschwitz "extermination camp"?

Auschwitz "holocaust survivor" jews interviews, in their own words... watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enDkqO1OKCc

Orchestras

Painting

Sports

Medical care

Ballet

Beer

Movie theaters

etc.

Was it a jew "extermination camp"? Or a POW camp where people died towards the end of the war due to starvation and disease?

>>12442518
not the guy you replied to but doesn't the heritability of IQ play a different role for adults in children? As in, children are more influenced by the environment and it regresses to the mean?

>>12442534
The twin study was quite low too, will you claim the study is wrong too?

>>12442540
Yep. Also IQ tests aren't perfect, but we're getting closer to a genetic test for maximum iq every day.

That'll be quite the upheaval to our society. I expect the countries and cultures that ban the study will not do well against the ones that embrace it.

>>12442547
As if the chink supremacy thing wasn't already bad enough. Guess I'll start learning mandarin.

>>12442544
There is more than just one. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00290207

Did you know that the states of California, Illinois, New jersey, New York and Florida have laws requiring the K-12 indoctrination of the holohoax in public schools?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_requiring_teaching_of_the_Holocaust

>>12442549
They're racing against their economy failing and their odds of beating it are not good.

>>12442553
Connecticut and Kentucky just joined them

>>12442558
20 more states on the way

>>12442531
Oh yeah, some jerk off with 16 followers is doing massive falseflag operations by shitposting on twitter with the most retarded takes someone could come up with, fuck those damn fascists.

Fuck off stormfront, STOP SPAMMING YOU FUCKING AUTHORITARIAN CUNT

>>12442563
Then all 50 states.

Then laws against even questioning it, like in most of Europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

>>12442556
Didn't know about that. I'm going to look into it.

>>12442531
>The picture is clearly a false flag

>>12442550
Can't find a link but the Cassidy had another article. Sorry.

>>12442565
>Fuck off stormfront, STOP SPAMMING YOU FUCKING AUTHORITARIAN CUNT
Are you trying to label and censor me???
>>12442513
>From this thread it would seem that people dislike fascists because they were told to dislike them.
What is a foundation myth?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_myth

It fulfills three functions.

1) It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).

2) It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).

3) It determines what is held sacred in that society.

For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

1) We live in the ‘Post-War World’. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

2) "Ultimate evil" is Nazis. "Ultimate good" is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

3) The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the "personification of evil", holds the center point of the WWII story.

Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

**Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned**

This is by jew design.

>>12442565
So now you're demanding conformity like an authority?

>>12442573
>false flag

>>12442576
I guess we'll have to wait until a genetic test for IQ potential is determined. God help us all on that day.

>>12442577
>The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.
In 2012, the Constitutional Council of France ruled that to extend the Gayssot Act (the law against Holocaust denial) to Armenian genocide denial was unconstitutional because it violated freedom of speech. The Gayssot Act itself, however, was found consistent with the Constitution.

Anyone know of any Holdmore classes? Or Armenian genocide classes? Or the genocide of 12million white Christians by jews before WW2? Nope? Stalin killed 25 million of his own civilians. Mao killed 80 million of his own civilians. (((No one))) cares. It's all about jew control over the west as people awake to jewish post-war exaggerations and lies.

And you wonder why the OP says mods do nothing to stop fascists from spamming, but THIS thread, ah, no, this thread can happen anything.


Can I do the same in all the fascists and neonazi and conservatism threads?

How is this not censorship?

>>12442577
>This is by jew design.

Congratulations for the spam fascists, you proven again why ANTI-FASCISM SHOULD BE A DAILY THREAD.

>>12442589
>hey you
>me?
>yes you, 6 million of your people never died horribly
>really?
>yes
>what happened to them then?
>they moved away
>all of them?
>no, some died, not many, but there was a war at the time.
>ah yeah, that happens
>important thing is that 6 million weren't killed brutally
>cool, glad to hear it.
>no prob

>>12442595
>Stop posting factual things I don't like
Don't cry, JIDF. Things will turn around for you.

>>12442595
You can certainly try to come into their threads and BTFO them but it'll end with the opposite and you shitposting to try and make up for it.

>>12442586
There is another study showing the brain have some mothers cells that can create more neurons and increase neuroplasticity. I just remembered. If you find the link though share it, I lost it.

>39 posters

>>12442608
I remember you get a ban if you criticize conservatism in their threads. 4chan has too much censorship on leftists, I hope is going to change.

>>12442616
It's actually just one poster. I've been arguing with myself with different VPNs.

>>12442616
30 reeing communists
5 nice-guy natsocs
3 trolls-a-trolling
and a butterfly who won't kill herself.

>>12442618
I don't. Get the fuck out. If you want a free and open discussion or whatever, why don't you petition opening up any of the spaces were conservatives (lol) are banned?

>>12442618
i've had posts about the left banned. It's not a politics board. Maybe, just maybe, you went too off-topic?

>>12442627
Fuck off authoritarian fascist

>selective historical revision by an exclusive group of elite, whom apparently control the global economy and information system in a grand and elaborate conspiracy, that manage to drastically modify one of the most significant events in human history with unilateral academic consensus as to their claims(which are backed by mountains of historical documentation)

This is apparently more likely than a group of people fabricating evidence that flies in the face of all academia, claiming it as objective truth with minimal sourcing.

>>12442634
>fell for the false flag
fuck
you got me

>>12442633
Maybe, just maybe, I didn't. What then? Is censorship hidden on 4chan? Censoring the left is hypocrite when you have proof of fascists spamming 24/7.

>>12442636
I do believe that the Holocaust happened but if you think that motive and opportunity aren't there, you're ignorant.

>>12442636
You're saying the side with unlimited money has less power to shape narrative?

Tell me more about the babies in iraqi centrifuges, would you? Were they the real WMD's that saddam had?

>>12442648
Maybe you were banned for being an underage ESL.

>>12442648
>Maybe, just maybe, I didn't. What then?
It's not really up to you, is it?

>Censoring the left is hypocrite when you have proof of fascists spamming 24/7
So what posts in this thread were removed? Any of yours?

>>12442636
I get what you mean, truth can be buried with lies. Or spam in this thread.

>>12442653
>So what posts in this thread were removed? Any of yours?
Who said a post was removed in this thread? Even the spammer nazi is still up.

>>12442661
If there was a large amount of bias against leftists i am damn sure this thread would have shown for it.

>>12442653
Don't you think is a little bit hypocrite that Moot gave that TED talk about freedom of speech and let neonazis run /pol/ while leftists found nothing but censorship on 4chan?

>>12442662
I don't get why you try to seriously engage this retard. He's either completely brain dead or trolling.

>>12442662
I took precautions, won't say what. Also all this thread was bullshit PC, nothing really political but academic. What then?

>>12442670
Fuck off stormfront and take your spamming brigade with you

>>12442668
See, you claim that. But that's it. You just claim it.

>>12442668
If what you're saying is true, then i'd say it's ironic, seeing how it's the exact opposite literally everywhere else.

>>12442670
There has to be some combination of words that can make people challenge their convictions more. I really want to find them.

>>12442651
Even extreme wealth has limitations, especially with regard to an event of this magnitude. You also have no evidence that such a massive private interest group has engaged in this behavior to any meaningful effect. Exhaustive historical analysis of this period of history has been performed by all manner of historians and institutions. Their findings, when backed by the mountains of available evidence, are uniform to the degree that I can safely assert that the Holocaust DID happen.
>>12442650
The motive and opportunity to deceive on part of the "holohoax" crowed has proven that massive funding is not necessary(nor necessarily effective) at propagating ideology. The facts of the matter, as commonly agreed upon by academia, are sourced to the moon and back.

Believing in this conspiracy is not tenable.

>>12442680
See >>12441751
There is evidence on the Internet, fuck off

>>12442681
>If what you're saying is true, then i'd say it's ironic, seeing how it's the exact opposite literally everywhere else.
But what if mainstream media is nothing but directed to fascists? What if that blasian invasion is a fearmongering tactic? The truth is the truth.

>>12442687
As if there aren't dozens of such threads on different reddit forums and other leftist shindigs.
Also, this doesn't prove anything regarding to unjustified censorship (means not just deleting off-topic posting and trolling and violations of board rules) against leftists.

>>12442681
Let me give you a hint mainstream media is pro-right. Remember the OK sign? Remember how mainstream media said it was racist? Is just brainwashing to say "hey, being racist is the new counterculture". Bullshit.

>>12442696
Don't you think I don't notice which threads get to stay on the archive and which get 404? STOP CENSORING THE LEFT ON 4CHAN

>>12442707
Again, source: your ass

>>12442685
>You also have no evidence that such a massive private interest group has engaged in this behavior to any meaningful effect
Has the number of holocaust victims ever changed? What is the official exact number? Is it a round number? Is it rounded up or rounded down? Did that number ever come up in relation to jews before the holocaust or after it?

>Even extreme wealth has limitations, especially with regard to an event of this magnitude. Exhaustive historical analysis of this period of history has been performed by all manner of historians and institutions. Their findings, when backed by the mountains of available evidence, are uniform to the degree that I can safely assert that the Holocaust DID happen.
Okay now address the second part of what i said. Please take what you just said and plug it into the fact that two very large wars were started on the premise that Saddam Hussein was killing babies in incubators (fuck knows where i got centrifuges from) and later that he had weapons of mass destruction and that both of those premises were later determined to be false and nobody seems to really give a shit.

Also please tell me when history ceased being a narrative and became objective fact, because i seem to have missed it entirely.

>>12442701
>Let me give you a hint mainstream media is pro-right.
The MSM loves trump? Loves the proud boys, loves masculinity? Wow, i genuinely cannot tell which one of us is in an echo chamber.

>>12442691
Then please, show me how twitter has been banning leftists like its going out of style. Who on the left has been subject to what alex jones went through?

>>12442709
>lets delete all the evidence in the stromfront forum and blame censorship
You are nothing but hypocrite fascists backed with money and don't like to be called out.

>>12442707
You're no less biased in that regard than we are, so what's the point of saying that?

>>12442715
To be honest I can prove Trump is not far right and you can find yourself Alex Jones talking against fascists.

And no, the bullcrap of that other fascist blogger doesn't count, he gets mainstream media publicity!

>>12442724
>To be honest I can prove Trump is not far right and you can find yourself Alex Jones talking against fascists.
So CNN loves trump and was against alex's ban from almost all social media? MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, all followed suit?

>And no, the bullcrap of that other fascist blogger doesn't count, he gets mainstream media publicity!
I don't know who you're referencing.

>>12442733
CNN? HAHAHAHAHA, In some parts of the planet CNN is known to be far right. What? You didn't know the CNN has as much right wing propaganda as Fox News?

>>12442739
>You didn't know the CNN has as much right wing propaganda as Fox News?
Go right ahead and show us then.

>>12442743
Can't, just look in other countries. The shit of media circus is teasing like they were leftists but they are not. Fuck that fearmongering propaganda, if you are so smart you can tell is evident.

>364 posts
>40 posters
tell me this isn't a raid

i want r/socialism to leave

Before I leave I want to say something important.

/pol/ shitposters = Stormfront spammers = anti Hiroyuki and pro cripplechan

The same fascist shitposters are the same spammers trying to get people from 4chan to cripplechan. The same fascists running a neonazi grooming operation are the same talking shit about Hiroyuki.

Fuck you fascists.

>>12442747
>Can't
Oh come the fuck on.

>The shit of media circus is teasing like they were leftists but they are not.
So then who are leftists (to you) and who do you listen to?

>>12442750
>posting that image to that rant
Good lord, how could one be so blind?

>>12442751
I personally don't listen to anyone in particular and listen to everyone I can. I not even call myself a leftist anymore, the media circus has poisoned the image beyond recognition. I can only read books like Chomsky, but also Ted Kaczynsky or Korpotkin, or Von Mises.

>>12442710
It is objective in that the event happened, although you are correct in that exact figures are changing to a degree as historical analysis uncovers and reviews documentation and evidence. The approximate figures, however, are widely regarded by academia to be in the several million, which IS strongly a matter of historical record. A shifting in the mainstream approximation of the death toll is highly unlikely to downgrade so drastically from several million, although the specifics of the death toll are subject to analysis. Altered estimates in the thousands are not terribly uncommon, since an exact (down to the last soul) body count could only be ascertained if each and every body was counted. I don't think I need to tell you that the Nazi government often left its victims buried in the ground, burned bodies, etc, making such exact numbers very difficult to obtain. Fortunately, the scope of the event itself means that historians can approximate to the several million, while sacrificing accuracy in the denomination of thousands(inevitable, really, for the aforementioned reasons). The documents, vast majority(notice I DID NOT say minority, or "fringe") testimonies, and the slew of confessions from all manner of ranking and non-ranking German affiliates make the millions assertion HIGHLY tenable.

As to your example with Iraq, you are correct in that information can TEMPORARILY be created to push an agenda. However, this does not mean that information related to such grand historical happenings as the holocaust can feasibly be fabricated and maintained while avoiding the inevitable scrutiny which would be provided by any and all interested intellectuals and institutions. Cover-ups of less historically significant events, such as your example, have been attempted and failed. The truth, whether palatable or not, escapes suppression, especially with regard to literal genocide in the 20th century during a war involving tens of millions of human beings, all of whom(obviously) posses the faculties of observation.

>>12442759
>The approximate figures, however, are widely regarded by academia to be in the several million, which IS strongly a matter of historical record.
Despite the fact that in the countries in which the events are alleged to occur it is an imprisonable offense to question the numbers? Does that not cast doubt on their veracity much less their validity?
>A shifting in the mainstream approximation of the death toll is highly unlikely to downgrade so drastically from several million, although the specifics of the death toll are subject to analysis.
yet it was once as high as 11 million and the Red Cross stated it was not higher than 400,000.
>I don't think I need to tell you that the Nazi government often left its victims buried in the ground, burned bodies, etc, making such exact numbers very difficult to obtain.
That doesn't help either of our positions, really. Neither of us can properly count it.
>The documents, vast majority(notice I DID NOT say minority, or "fringe") testimonies, and the slew of confessions from all manner of ranking and non-ranking German affiliates make the millions assertion HIGHLY tenable.
The documents whose death toll numbers increase linearly with their publication in years after the holocaust itself, with the lowest numbers being printed during the actual examinations of the "still warm" sites themselves?

>However, this does not mean that information related to such grand historical happenings as the holocaust can feasibly be fabricated and maintained while avoiding the inevitable scrutiny which would be provided by any and all interested intellectuals and institutions.
It can when you get thrown in jail for questioning it or at the very least made into a pariah for questioning it.

>The truth, whether palatable or not, escapes suppression, especially with regard to literal genocide in the 20th century during a war involving tens of millions of human beings, all of whom(obviously) posses the faculties of observation.
Then would you agree that there is no need for laws on holocaust denial and that the presence of such laws calls into question the validity of the events to some degree? There are no other internationally recognized laws forbidding the questioning of any other historical event no matter how horrid that i am personally aware of.

Does the truth fear investigation?

>>12442791
The laws you mention are bad. Suppression of free speech is something I'm not in favor of. The laws themselves are not evidence of holocaust fabrication, however.
As for the variance in numbers: " Die Tat, a Swiss tabloid newspaper, published statistics that concluded the number of people who died in Nazi prisons and camps from 1939 to 1945 based on ICRC statistics was "300,000, not all of whom were Jews".[82] The January 19, 1955 edition of Die Tat did indeed give a 300,000 figure, but this was only in reference to "Germans and German Jews" and not nationals of other countries."

"The Nazis used figures of between 9 and 11 million for the Jewish population of Europe, as evidenced in the notes of the Wannsee Conference. In fact, the Nazis methodically recorded the ongoing reduction of the Jewish population, as in the Korherr Report, which gave the status of the Final Solution through December 1942. The Höfle Telegram was sent by SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle on January 11, 1943 to SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann in Berlin and detailed the number of deaths of Jews in the concentration camps.[94] In the year 1942 alone, the telegram lists 1,274,166 Jews were exterminated[94] in the four camps of Aktion Reinhard. The Korherr Report compiled by an SS statistician, gave a conservative total of 2,454,000 Jews deported to extermination camps or killed by the Einsatzgruppen. The complete status reports of the Einsatzgruppen death squads were found in the archives of the Gestapo when it was searched by the U.S. Army, and the accuracy attested to by the former Einsatzgruppen members who testified during war crime trials and at other times. These reports alone list an additional 1,500,000 or so murders during mass shootings, the vast majority of these victims were Jews. Further, surviving Nazi documentation spells out their plans to murder the Jews of Europe, recorded the trains arriving at various death camps, and included photographs and films of many atrocities."

Sources for these and many more are available upon request.

>Does the truth fear investigation?
The validity of the events might be called into question when thinking purely from the standpoint of the possible motives of the legislation. However, the validity of the events is reinforced one-thousand-fold when the mountains of evidence(which is freely available all over countless academic websites, sources, books, etc.) are considered.
As to the nature of the legislation, I agree in that it is immoral to suppress free speech. As far as unpopular conclusions go in academia, there have been many controversial publishings within science. Part of the reason why they are controversial, instaed of dismissed outright, is because they are backed by evidence.
If the Jews really are capable of the mass manipulation and distortion which you claim they are, does this not mean that objective research is impossible in all fields? How can you be sure of your own research?

>>12442836
And by the final statement, I mean how can you be sure that the holocaust DID in fact happen and the "Jewish conspiracy" is propagating denialism for its own benefit? If it really is as powerful as you suggest, how would this in any way be difficult? How could you profess to know the methods of this shadowy, all-powerful organization?

>>12442839
We're gonna have to leave the discussion at that, unfortunately. You can screencap this and post it on /his/ or something if you'd like to press the issue further. I'd like to challenge you to avoid posting this in an echo chamber(/pol/), though.
You seem bright, and I hope you think about what we talked about.

>>12442724
you're a dishonest retard

please leave this board and go back to where you came from

>>12442836
>The laws you mention are bad. Suppression of free speech is something I'm not in favor of.
Always good.
>The laws themselves are not evidence of holocaust fabrication, however.
No, but it does speak to the powers behind the narrative and it demonstrates a part of how the narrative is forcefully preserved.

>Sources for these and many more are available upon request.
It looks like a wikipedia article, especially with the citation links still present. I am skeptical of the authenticity of these documents, and it is nearly impossible to prove that they are either legitimate or illegitimate.

>However, the validity of the events ... are considered.
If it were not illegal to question it, that evidence would be held under far more scrutiny and skepticism than it is now. Surely we can both agree that unlimited scrutiny of these data would produce better evidence than what we currently have?

>As far as unpopular conclusions go in academia, there have been many controversial publishings within science.
Like when galileo was punished or the recent stuff about race and IQ or trans being a fad? I personally do not have much experience with this sort of denial of investigation outside of the holocaust.

>If the Jews really are capable ... does this not mean that objective research is impossible in all fields?
It does make a multitude of things a lot more difficult to believe, which is why i have always been a proponent of trying to learn it all for oneself and not rely on arguments from presumed authorities, not that you seem to be too mired in that yourself.

>How can you be sure of your own research?
I'm not. The world would be a lot less scary if i was wrong.

My primary issues with it stem from how successful national socialism seemed to be for germany in such a short time under very extenuating circumstances, how hard the germans tried to find a peaceful solution for the jews there (haavara agreement, other extraditions that every nation at the time refused to consider, etc), how brutal and inefficient the "final solution" was compared to other aspects of the german national character (first animal rights, always treated prisoners well, the christmas day truce in WW1. etc) the ludicrously high purported rate of interment camp murders (latest study pegs it at 15,000 people per day murdered http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/1/eaau7292)), the amount of torture levied upon german POW's that resulted in great deal of the more important confessions, the constantly changing holocaust numbers, settling on a number which may have religious significance in judaism, the amount of times jews have been exiled from other nations, how the holodomor is almost completely forgotten compared to the holocaust, and finally the thing that got me looking into it at all: the damned laws against looking into it.

I'm not certain about it. But i should be able to question it without being called a monster. It's a page of history, not the torah. Good night.

>The American Psychological Association
>"IQ is highly heritable, yes"

>some faggot antifa on 4chan
>"no, that's wrong you fascist"

hmm I wonder who should I listen to..

>>12442739
you're thick as shit or you're from shit country in south america, which, with this thread in mind, is highly likely

>>12442893
YOU are a dishonest troll, please go fuck yourself.

>>12443259
Wait, did you just prove the other post is right? Does that means the CNN is not leftist?

>>12443033
>>The American Psychological Association
>psychology
>science
Also I call those motherfuckers right now, they are all full of shit, like you.

I am surprised any right-wing conspiracy theorist trust the APA.

>>12442607
BASED STORMFAG

>>12443503
>>12443451
>>12443464
>>12443457
Have you fags not had enough? You got blown the fuck out and will continue to everytime you leave your precious discord or subreddit to come here.

>>12441657
It is always easier to blame others, than to blame yourself. People with low IQs always look for the easy way out, if it makes them feel good. Don't try find rationality in them, especially on 4chan.

>>12441657
they understand that there are problems in our society but instead of correctly attributing them to capitalism they think it's because of immigrants and some vague socialist cultural marxist plot to destroy muh western civilization and that more capitalism will fix this

>>12443506
I'm in neither though. I don't even browse /pol/ that much. Cool assumption