/lit/ - Literature

>>12417046
>Start with the Greeks, then?...

Resume with the Romans

>>12417046
go into academia then get disillusioned and drop out cause Kant was a racist

Philosophy isnt for everyone. Just stick with Youtube! It's much more easy and fun, plus you can learn about anything on Youtube. I also suggest reading wikipedia and forum posts.

She doesn't really engage with th opposition despite saying he does.
Get a better role model.

>>12417080
>she
>he
???

>>12417046
Meditate on the Ma'ams.

>>12417084
Yes.

>>12417046
>be contra
>major in philosophy at an american university think you'll study cool continental philosophers and feminists who wanted to change the world
>lol jk American philosophy is mostly a-political or pro-status quo
>lol jk American philosophers aren't cool rebels, most are autistic nerds obsessed with logic and language analysis
>"oh no"
>put your head down and grind through 4 years of undergrad
>get into good grad school
>"ok now I will study the philosophers I want to study. Hmm Kant seems like a natural starting point, he influenced Hegel who influenced Marx"
>find out Kant is a racist
>have a mental breakdown, come out as transgender and drop out
>make a youtube channel to vent your frustration

>>12417124
Sounds kind of like my life

>>12417120
Why?

>>12417124
Her graduate thesis was on Merleu Ponty iirc.

>>12417147
lol I knew she couldn't hack in analytic philosophy.

>>12417147
>trans nutjob
>studied merleau ponty
sounds about right

>>12417159
It should be under the name "Nathaniel (or maybe William) Perot" at the University of Maryland - Baltimore, or at least that's where I would start my search

>>12417046
She is incredibly beautiful. If I met her in a bar, I, a straight man, would talk to her for hours with the intent to make her my girlfriend.

Imagine going to a modern university for 4+ years for Philosophy

>>12417187
>a straight man
I have bad news... .i.

>>12417187
Lol

>>12417187
Hi contra, when are you doing another video on degeneracy and othe philosophical topics your current punching down

>>12417046
>like pic related?
You serious? Contra is a big pseud. Stop getting your phil from fucking YouTube.

>>12417046
>pop philosophy
>good
lol

>>12417137
Is it youu?

>>12417143
Because he cut her wiener off

>>12417294
Pretty sure her pickle is still intact

>>12417203
Is there anything more straight than wanting to be with a beautiful woman? I think not.

>>12417046

>That
>A good philosopher

Jesus Christ, I'm only in my second year and I'm unironically light years ahead of that ''thing''

>>12417256
No I'm not a tranny, I'm an alcoholic. And I'm not a Youtuber, I'm a tripfag on /lit/.

>>12417307
have you thought about getting the ol' chop done?

>>12417297
It is not long for this world

her videos are fun and relatively well thought out

that's all

>>12417298
Being with an actual woman.

>>12417313
I'd probably chop my head off before I'd chop my penis off. It's a "manhood thing" ya know? Although the definitive and incontestable fact of my not being able to fuck women would probably make me more sane and reasonable. I suppose I'd take up golf.

>>12417338
eh, the alcoholism will kill it and then you'll have plenty of time for golf.

>>12417338
does the sex drive disappear if your wiener does?

>>12417324
There's no such thing as an actual woman, there's only the Form of Woman which is instantiated in Contrapoints more than that of the souls we would wrongfully define as men.

>>12417319
Yeah but it still exists and it is still very yucky to think about.

>>12417360
>There's no such thing as an actual [every word after this point in the remainder of the sentence]
woah, nothins real bro

>>12417346
I dont know if you're referring to my head or my erections but either notion is foreboding and I happily push it aside while I await whatever fate is to be mine, of sudden grace or gradual doom or a dispersing of accounts or accumulation of rap sheets.

>>12417360
an actual woman has XX chromosomes

>>12417360
how blind i've been that i haven't been attracted to women, i've been attracted to the essence of womanness. thanks, stranger. now i can fuck men with long hair as long as they're wearing horn rim glasses and high heels.

by far the biggest tranny cope i keep coming across.

>>12417387
What were women before chromosomes were discovered?

>>12417387
What about people with single X chromosomes? Or messed up Y chromosomes? They're born looking totally female, live their lives as women, and when it's time to have babies find out they're incapable.

>>12417392
People who could give birth to children and feed them and had a natural vagina.

>>12417388
Femininity is definitely a real form and the sexes both contain ironical components inherently in all their presentations. For example the post-coital female conquers the potentiality of man and even devours his shrinking member.

>>12417409
Alright, so you're saying we define what a woman is differently over time. Why can't we also do this same thing again for trans women.

>>12417187
Uh huh. You would, would you?

>>12417416
sounds metal

>>12417426
He/she is so muscular

>>12417426
yes, don't reach, anon

>>12417426
Trans, trans, female, trans

>>12417435
He had sexy sexy rippling abs before becoming a she, if we wanna get /fit/ about it over here. 10/10 gym babe desu

Guys, I just wanted some advice on approaching Das Kapital or someshit. Now I'm just gonna read Symposium again.

>>12417426
i see that second from left is burdened by the ring.

>>12417388
>>how blind i've been that i haven't been attracted to women, i've been attracted to the essence of womanness. thanks, stranger. now i can fuck men with long hair as long as they're wearing horn rim glasses and high heels.
True if they're appropriately womanly, including the vagina.

>>12417420
>so you're saying we define what a woman is differently over time.
No, you said this. I'm saying it's always been the same.
> Why can't we also do this same thing again for trans women.
I do truly think they have severe mental issues, but I respect their choice, and have nothing against them, as long as the world doesn't force me to sexually like them and call me transphobic when I state my own preferences.

>>12417426
Wait, is that Chelsea manning???

>>12417454
Tfw you can put whatever unwashed genitalia you want in your mouth, just hope you're not going around telling people they have mental issues. Pretty sure if a person is confused about their basic gender, they're having a long mental review of themselves over it already.

>>12417450
Fuck me, I spit my tea out all over

>>12417454
>I'm saying it's always been the same.

>an actual woman has XX chromosomes
>[before chromosomes were discovered, women were] People who could give birth to children and feed them and had a natural vagina.
I'm sorry but these two things are not the same thing, so you saying it's always been the same is not consistent with what you said previously.

>I do truly think they have severe mental issues
I do too, but this is unrelated to your inconsistent and insufficient arguments.

>>12417458
I can't believe I took your dumbass seriously and compared their faces. ... no

>>12417488
I just googled it... the youtuber in question interviewed chelsea manning and theres a reddit link to that photo which says its chelsea manning.

HA! I'm right again! Ha!

>>12417475
Even though chromosomes are a recent discovery, people knew what a woman was, intuitively. Woman = mother. Woman = vagina. Woman = non-male. The word woman itself means "the wife of man".
>I do too, but this is unrelated to your inconsistent and insufficient arguments.
We were formally arguing? I'm really not in the mood to discuss womanhood in some anonymous board. But just to be curious, what's your definition of woman?

>>12417496
Fuckingfine
have a mediocre meme

>>12417447
Just read Human Action by Mises instead.

>>12417508
Throwback meme. I needed a victory anon, I said a lot of nonsense today. God bless you.

>>12417504
>what's your definition of woman?
I don't really know what I think because I haven't made up my mind, but I definitely don't find the common definitions you seem to support persuasive for apparent reasons. I think more than anything this inability for words like man and woman to function as intended around the fringes (intersex, etc.; unrelated to however small these fringe populations are) shows that these words are incomplete at least to some degree. For this reason I think its silly to be so attached such an incomplete word as "woman" to the point that we can't let it's definition change (even though it has already changed in the past).

If there's such a thing as a female essence, it's certainly not to be found inside any trannies, who all display the shallowest form of feminity : exuberant makeup and mannerism and a complete lack of what you would call feminine grace or modesty.

>>12417551
didnt read anything you posted because your a tripfag fuck off nigger

>>12417067
What is it like to be an academic

>>12417566
That's good anon, I rarely write anything worth reading. I suggest you filter me. The aggregate affect of many days of no replies will make me feel loathsome and unwanted, and probably I will stop posting altogether, to the benefit of all, myself included, me rid of you and you rid of me, Adam unbothered in Eden. It will be nice.

>>12417447
REad Jung

then read a bunch of mythology

learn da ways of diotima the mage female

>>12417187
dude i could pass better than them in a dress, wig, and probably less makeup.

i think you're looking for an excuse fuck something with a dick.

>>12417046
So weird, I just found out about this person two days ago and have been binge watching their videos. I can agree with her(?) on a lot of the topics but the overall presentation in the videos is pretty irritating. I think the incels video was very well done though and currently the best video on that topic.

>>12417552
Sort of like the word "drugs", which has political and negative connotations. I think our language is a reflection of our limits as a civilization, or at least it hasn't evolved properly in some aspects.

>her
this man has bigger arms, wider shoulders and a longer dick than you do

>>12417592
>Sort of like the word "drugs"
Completely agree. This is actually the exact example I use when trying to convey this idea outside of the gender related stuff. In my opinion language is the greatest discovery we've come upon so far, but by the state of our society today it's apparent we are far from mastering it.

>>12417433
its anima and everyone's bisexual

>>12417187
She's 6' and has hands that are bigger than mine. Man hands are among the last thing I want touching my dick.

>>12417631
>Man hands are among the last thing I want touching my dick.
How do you jerk off?

>>12417592
Hahaha I remember that argument. You're a degenerate!

>>12417640
>this coming from a person addicted to a drug
wow, I really take you seriously.

>>12417638
I put a sock on my dick

>>12417640
It's a fairly common example, maybe popularized by Terence McKenna. I'm not sure I've had arguments about it here. Although I am indeed, a degenerate.

>>12417638
Identify as female

>>12417644
I only wish I'd avoided drugs, like everyone who falls to them. It's a slow and terrible agony. You cannot grasp it until you sense what you have lost for your petty pleasures. Then it's too late.

Drugs are a great temptation, a great distraction, a stupid sideshow. There is nothing good which they achieve not otherwise achievable. Of course those other avenues are of more toil.

>>12417046
The fact that that thing is allowed to exist is an indictment of this reality.

>>12417675
Facts don't care about your feelings

>>12417564
Yeah, pretty much. I've yet to see a tranny that doesn't come off as an incel LARPing as what he imagines real women are like.

>>12417671
Another good example of why the word "drugs" is a pretty useless word. You could be talking about about aspirin or heroin.

>>12417783
God I made the same arguments to my dad when I was 18. Let drug connote intoxication and your mystery is revealed.

>>12417806
Then say intoxicants, not drugs, because not all drugs are intoxicants.

>>12417824
Hey, buddy, fuck you. When someone says "I used to use drugs but they messed me up" do you interrupt them and ask what they mean so as to be wilfully stupid and so as to perpetuate some demonically abstract idea of "drugs"? As in "I use drugs but, what does it even mean? The drugs I use are at once the same as tylenol and benadryl." Grow up, pleasure whore.

>>12417629
the phenomenon has meaning and consequences and intent. you're not a meat popsicle.

>>12417671
Please stop writing like that.

>>12417592
I wouldn't say I disagree with you anon, but I feel that your statement could use a little tweaking.

A language molds to suit the needs of it's users. This molding is an on-going process. The discovery of chromosomes and the highlighting of transgender issues could be said to be fairly recent developments. Rather than say language has not evolved properly I think it would be more accurate to say that it has not evolved yet. Rather the need for a change has only recently arose.

The way things are heading at the moment, I think that the words "Man" and "Woman" are going to go the same way as the word "key". A concierge at a hotel will hand you your "key" when you check in but in almost all modern hotels it is not an actual "key" so to speak, it is an electronic "key"-card. Over time the word expanded (or adapted) to encompass electronic keys.

What do you think?

Trannies are evil. The only people in the world worse are the people who enable them.

>>12417922
Ah yes, I fuck my girl(boy)friend right in her(his) pussy(boipucci(anus)) and s(he) gets pregnant(constipated) later birthing a beautiful little shit

We really do arrive at the same end whatever the means

>>12417454
they probably think youre transphobic because you think trans people are mentally ill

>>12417920
Ohhh looky looky, babby needs trite sentences. Ones that are like this. Anything else smacks of archaisms. Fuck you, brainlet.

>>12417934
I think so. At the very least they occupy too much of the same space as satanists and commies on the ideological venn diagram.

>>12417956
Satanists are alright desu

>>12417624
Anon, I'm curious as to how you arrived at the conclusion that language was discovered and that we've yet to master it. To me, language seems to be a sort of collective invention that is constantly being innovated upon, if it was discovered it would mean that it was lying in wait for us to pick it up and use it.

>>12417147

>her

>>12417159

>she

>>12417942
Hey if you could do me a favour and re-read my second paragraph, I wasn't making a pro or anti tranny statement, it's just a prediction based on how things currently look. I think your anger is unwarranted.

>>12417564
this is the same problem i have. i want to have empathy and respect for trans people on a philosophical level but the way so many trans people carry themselves as women is a borderline offensive and cartoonish portrayal of the depth of a woman.

>>12417984
No, I'm calling children little shits

>>12417992
How old are u?

>>12417992
Ah I see. As you were so

>>12417574
Morally and intellectually compromising

>>12417849
I feel like this reply is not directly replying to me, but is just a reply in my general direction.

start with schlocky 00s biographies of poets & other wacky individuals

>>12417320
this

>>12417638
Check mate

>>12417320
i wish. the humor falls often and falls flat. the analysis is not as dense as i'd like. i'm sure it's better than average for youtube.

>>12417564
Plato has a great analogy for this.

Plato compares the art of cooking to the science of medicine. What is medicine concerned with? The actual body and how to actually help it, which ultimately feels good (unless you’re a tripfag). Cooking on the other hand, is a semblance. It makes you feel good, and it looks good, but as far as actually helping the actual body, it can either make nutrients palatable, or it can actually do damage, though it maintains the good feeling either way.

Traps are the same. They create a semblance of femininity, that looks good and can make for a good fap or trip through south east Asia, but in the end, when you’re sitting in jail with an STD, you’ll be going:

>I guess I should’ve started with the Greeks... fuck.

Just thinking you're something really does makes you that thing. That's how I became the president.

>>12417978
>if it was discovered it would mean that it was lying in wait for us to pick it up and use it.
This is exactly what I meant. As man rose into being they slowly discovered which sounds (along with all other sorts of communications) invoke which ideas within the minds of their peers and themselves. With this discovery followed new innovation and eventually society as we know it, which would be undeniably impossible without this sort of communication.
>we've yet to master it
I think this is pretty self-evidently true. Until I'm able to empty the contents of my mind into yours with one well-chosen word, our ability to language falls far short of perfected.
>language seems to be a sort of collective invention that is constantly being innovated upon
This seems either too optimistic or simply naive. We don't make language up and adjust as we go, we feel things out until we arrive upon what works until what works fails and we must go looking again. Language sprouts out of interaction with the world, not out of a collective putting-together of words out of nothing.

>>12417305
How has your experience been as a philosophy major? I'm considering majoring in it

>>12418102
On your first point, your theory fails to account for the fact that there are many languages, not one singular language. The sounds of these languages varie wildly and the same referent can sound completely different from language to language. Even within a singular language there can be multiple dialects and accents, these too can sound completely different despite having the same referent. I believe your idea that sound matters in language beyond aesthetic reasons is not very well thought out.

Secondly, this idea is far beyond the scope of language as it is the combining of words that allow us to derive deeper meaning.

I would agree that I am naive but that doesn't mean I am incorrect. I agree that language works by feeling things out, but the world is not the let factor in this process, interactions between people is the driving force.

But of a rushed reply I'm short on time, if this thread is still up later we can have a real conversation.

Reminder that all these genders and sexualities are social constructs

>>12418223
Reminder that psychological disfigurements are products of sick societies whose social constructs impose ill defined roles and duties. If we didn’t outsource all our labour we wouldn’t have men playing dress up to the point where they think it’s okay to chop off their dick to better portray their character. Furthermore, the fact that surgeons shrug off this reality for some coin should say multiudes more about the state of humanity.

>>12418214
>there are many languages, not one singular language. The sounds of these languages vary wildly and the same referent can sound completely different from language to language.
I don't think this point is incompatible with mine. Any utterance of verbal language or a waving of your hands or whatever sort of particularity of communication you choose is inconsequential to my general point. This point being that what actually gets a point across is discovered. If something is conveyed well with one particular language then it is just as likely to be conveyed well by another, because the particularities of the language itself (spoken sounds, spelling, characters, dialects, etc.) are secondary to the actualization of ideas within the orator and audience (and more broadly their environment).
>it is the combining of words that allow us to derive deeper meaning.
This is not necessarily true. One concise word can possibly reveal more than any number of unconcise words. To say this is impossible is saying too much with too much confidence.
>interactions between people is the driving force.
I don't think I've disagreed with this. I'd add though that it's not just interactions between people but interactions between everything. What I disagree with is the idea of a collective putting-together of words out of nothing (an invention; our personal creation), which this isn't.

Anyways I'm sleep now maybe we'll pick this up later.

>>12418223
>>12418235

this is the most boring pretentious shite i have ever read

>>12418337
Not pretentious at att, those were facts

>>12417426
wtf....