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12415328 No.12415328 [Reply] [Original]

Explain to a pleb why Rupi Kaur's poetry is bad.

>> No.12415341

>>12415328
I can do it and I’m shit

>> No.12415344

Plebs find her inspiring. The reason you can't explain to plebs that her work is bad is that they have had their chance to realize this by reading the stuff in which they found nothing but brilliance.

>> No.12415349

>write down generic contemporary feminist drivel with the gimmick of not using punctuation
>make shitloads of money from art hoes

>> No.12415351

She can’t do poetry
She can’t do
Meter
Rhythm
As well
Here’s an example
Of what she would write
And think
Is
Good

>> No.12415352

>>12415328
to keep it short and sweet it's simplistic and not in a good way. every line, every word does only one thing. even in prose that's bad. in poetry it's atrocious.

>> No.12415356

Diary of a 13 year old with odd line breaks and no punctuation.

>> No.12415358

>>12415351
Too many capitals

>> No.12415377

Someone post the article about her where the author was subtly shit-talking her for not actually reading literature and whatnot

>> No.12415378

who are you?
the cab driver
said
i said
i'm rupi kaur
the poet
and he replied
sorry, don't know you
so i tweeted his picture
and bled
from my cunt
on his car

>> No.12415381

>>12415328
It's not even the quality of the poetry that bothers me it's the narcissism, if this chick is popular what exactly does that say about the public

>> No.12415391

>>12415378
Kek

>> No.12415393

>>12415328
Because there are countless numbers of writers with her skills that won’t get published. She hit the lottery. Like Stephen King.

>> No.12415457

>>12415328
>>12415284

https://docs.google.com/document/d/_BMSGvEDvLZ4Ks/edit?usp=sharing
stop ignoring my thread

>> No.12415477
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12415477

She just writes sentences
and then
hits enter at
random.
Don't forget to add
a bad
drawin

>> No.12415480

>>12415328
Every single poem is passive aggressive self-worship directed at ex-lovers who failed to recognize her all-encompassing physical and mental perfection. Examine the following parody and then see if you can find a poem with a different essential message:

i was perfect
but he didn't see
so i wrote this poem
with no meter or rhythm
because i can do
whatever i want
and every critic
is an incel virgin
etc etc
upvote my instagram posts
or i will burn the earth
to the ground
and kill everyone

- rupi kaur

>> No.12415509

Her minimalist understated style is extremely indulgent and fails to justify itself by saying anything crucial or imaginative

>> No.12415513

because shes a minority lauded
for reasons related to
pc culture and her
writings all describe
outrage obsessions that
reflect the hysteria
of a media driven age where
everyone has access to
the greatest poets of history
but would rather read poetry
written by instagram celebrities
making fame out of their
so-called heritage and
new agey self help and
political propaganda that
is clearly stupid and ostentatious
and even a bit manipulative
plus she makes people who hate
books and writing think that
grammatical and syntactical errors
are artistic choices rather than
expressions of an ignorant mind
its a disingenuous way of thinking
and its everywhere you go that
ignorance of your artform
is somehow excusable if you
have so many instagram likes
the truth is she's not literature
and nothing coming from where
she comes from ever will be
its a dead end street and
a little saddening to see
the amount of money someone
so stupid can make
when actually brilliant literature
may remain unseen for decades
and similarly ignored by the public
while rupis make bank
doing trendy bullshit
forever

>> No.12415524

>>12415328
let me just
write a bunch
of shit
and add line breaks
random
ly
lol art

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>>12415328

>> No.12415530

>>12415527
God I want to lick Julie Cipolla's feet

>> No.12415531

>>12415328
She can't think she can't write. It seems ridiculous to have to say it. Stephen King is Cervantes compared to her.

>> No.12415552

>>12415328
I just saw that she's indian. Are these translated into english and so bad because of this or are these really the originals?

>> No.12415579

>>12415527
I think I finally found her bros. She's the One.

>> No.12415591

>>12415328
explain why it's good first.

>> No.12415607

>>12415328
All of her poems are about how people have screwed HER over and how she is so awesome and empowered just because she exists. The shallowness and selfishness reflects the social media feminist ethos perfectly.

>> No.12415697

>>12415328
Every woman is convinced that she is the divine incarnate. Why? Is it for her quality of character and moral fiber? No but she will certainly insist that whatever these are she has them. Is it her erudition and power of judgment? No, but again, she is sure that whatever these are she is no stranger to their favor. Then what? She can't say, but she knows that whatever is of supreme value in this world and the next, she is the sole bearer of it, the final judge of all that was and is to be. In truth, her utter lawlessness and ignorance of a real standard for truth and moral duty, grants her the power of being invulnerable to the possibility of falling into error and falsehood, for, if a creature knows no truth it cannot know error either. If there is any standard for truth, she is it, and no one will tell her differently; in fact, if anyone dares to criticize her, they must not have any interest whatsoever in anything that is significant, for what else is of worth, of merit, than her and whatever divinity she is the sole embodiment of? Therefore, she may be cruel without feeling a bit of remorse; she may lie without a semblance of guilt; she may collapse into tears and hysterics without feeling any shame--none at all. For can God herself feel such things? That would be to confess an imperfection--to admit that she is not the single center of the world, the final star toward which all inevitably gravitates. And in the end, isn't she? She may falter here and there, occasionally missing a beat, but at the end of the toils and tribulations of the day, won't everyone come to bask in her light and splendor and see the secrets that heaven holds? She has no greater power than to unveil herself to all, because there is no greater mystery than her naked beauty, her body, her every contour and curve. She aspires to outshine every adorned lily, every glittering jewel, every precious thing--for is this not the reason that she wears and displays them, and rejoices in them as gifts? She bears no special interest in these by themselves, and she will become disgusted with them as soon as they go out of fashion or call into question her own worth. She believes she was born worthy of the crown of the world its interminable worship. Is not all this the great secret of the cosmos? That women is the all, the absolute, the highest mystery, the dark and ruthless queen of all that breathes and moves? All who seek immortality, who seek harbor from the abysmal depths must go through her, and find rest only in her. That is the truth of it.

>> No.12415729

>>12415377
2nd

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12415733

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHkFFA5iGlc

>> No.12415781

>>12415552
Do you really thing this shit would fly in India or any other third world country?

>> No.12415786

>>12415328
>Explain to a pleb why Rupi Kaur's poetry is bad.

"Who stole all the cookies from the jar?"

>> No.12415792

>>12415377
He seemed to think she was much more concerned with aesthetics, than with actual poetry or literature

>> No.12415796

>>12415786
>>Explain to a pleb why Rupi Kaur's poetry is bad.
>"Who stole all the cookies from the jar?"

"Why would someone steal all the cookies from my jar?"

>> No.12415814

>>12415733
What the fuck were they talking about?

>> No.12415833

I hate everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eStz1KoKcms

>> No.12415837
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>>12415733
wake me up from this nightmare
(can't wake up)

>> No.12415869

>>12415328
Whether it's good or bad depends on the reader.

/thread

>> No.12415888

>>12415869
We need standards. Should Rupi Kaur be taught in schools as an example of good poetry?

>> No.12415897

>>12415888
If she withstands the test of time

>> No.12415900

>>12415888
What is "good" poetry is ultimately subjective.

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>>12415328
>literally counted the syllables of every line trying to find some structure

why did I bother

>> No.12415910

Of course that stupid nigger poem is her greatest influence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a49Po4Lccw

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>>12415910

>> No.12415925

>>12415916
SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY OMG

>> No.12415960
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>>12415916
Why not post the full poem?

>> No.12415971

>>12415897
You're a retard

>> No.12415997

>>12415925
>/pol/ for smart people

>> No.12416185

>>12415960
It's not bad, it's not great, but it's not even taught in schools. Her autobiography is taught in schools. Universities that want to look at her will read Caged Bird, not this. It's fine.

... that being said, a stupid person could very easily think this is complex, substantial poetry, and think that simplifying this incredibly simple style is some sort of improvement.

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>>12415916
ahahahahaaaa

>> No.12416336

it's just too on the nose and half-baked. even her best poems are like she came up with a decent metaphor and just forwent coming up with an interesting way to convey it. she quits after the first step.

>> No.12416356

>>12415916
At least this has meter and rhyme. It is far better than anything rupi will shit out.

>> No.12416529

Because it’s just a fucking sentence spaced out over a few lines. Fuck her.

>> No.12417538

bumpo

>> No.12417547 [DELETED] 

LOOK AT THIS STUPID FUCKING CUNT! NO, IT'S SHIT, YOU FUCKING PSEUD! IT IS ABSOLUTE SHIT! WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE THIS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TYPfuaqpAQ

>> No.12417560

>>12415358
Not necessarily. I have read a bit of her work and some of it is capitalized at the start of each line. Of course, there are more with no capitalization whatsoever - or just randomized capitalization.

>> No.12417599

>>12415328
Postmodernist and morning-after pilled

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12417600

>>12415328
>Open MS Paint
>Times New Roman size 12
>pencil tool
Give us your masterpiece, /lit/

>> No.12417602

It strokes people's ego. Everyone feels broken and believes they're a poor sod because some whoever left them or because they don't look like models. She talks about this, about how poor and sad she is but also how strong she is. Her poems aren't hard to understand perfect for people who are either too dumb or too lazy for legit poetry.
It's vanity shit. It's no surprise that she comes across as a arrogant vapid whore.

>> No.12417607

>>12417600
Is that a Rupi or did you literally just write down some shit?

>> No.12417608
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12417608

>>12417600

>> No.12417614

>>12417608
Good one!

>> No.12417615

>>12415457
Your link did not work for me.

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>>12417600
20,000 hours etc

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>>12415733
>that tiny forehead

>> No.12417635

>>12415792
I looked for it but could not find it. My takeaway from reading it during the other thread was that it was the most scathing positive review that I had ever read.

>> No.12417642

>>12415457
It's not being ignored, you got some druggie don't bump bump

>> No.12417643

It's relatable wank targeting a demographic of shallow women who feel underappreciated methodically. You can call it virtuous, which it probably is, the reason people are adverse to it is it's sickeningly sincere in it's simplicity and blatant lack of depth. It is amiable, in a way, that she targets this demographic. I should also mention that the precision with she does this is an art in of it itself.

>> No.12417650

>>12417630
Do not show this to the Americans

>> No.12417654

>>12417643
You can see how many times I got hosed for thinking wrong in that paragraph. It's kind of dark how noticeable the way I speak changes as I was writing it. I felt I had to mention it.

>> No.12417929

It's for women in their early 20s who think they deserve something without putting in any work

>> No.12417976

>>12415328
>>12415697
The opposite of this. Hard as it is to understand on an all-male board, a lot of young women struggle with self-worth, confidence, etc. The feeling that there's something wrong with them every time a relationship doesn't work out, every time they are used, even when confronted with the social stigma of menstruation (see Rupi's insta pics). Kaur tells these young women that there's nothing wrong with them, that others have the same problems. She does so in the most accessible language possible, without any pretense, just simple words, plain, easy.

The answer is that her poetry isn't bad, and if you have to ask people to explain why it is bad, then you're probably pure enough to not have your vision blurred by ideas of what "high art" should be. And to those who hate Rupi of try to mock the style: if you can do it yourself, why don't you? And if you hate it so much, why don't you read something else?

>> No.12417980

>>12415328
Bukowski wrote a poem like that, why doesn't lit make threads on it?

>> No.12418075

>>12415328
The fundamental problem is that poetry as a form. today and perhaps at any time, cannot comfortably be low-brow. She is popular because she is low-brow and people who do not read poetry believe they get a sense of the form from her writings/drawings. The actuality is her work uses none of the devices which define poetry such as meter. A sympathetic reader might see the drawings as experimental and bold additions to the genre, whereas they only highlight the unpoetical qualities of it all. Almost all her """poems""" would be no different if presented as prose. The image of short lines stacked on top of each other makes them look like poems, but this is just a facade, and that is infuriating if you are a lover of poetry. There is a persistent illusion of caesura. On top of this, they are just ideas, mostly cliches, which are not even expressed poetically. They are quippy, unoriginal statements made to look like poems. She doesn't seem to make any effort with her ideas or her crafting of them into verse.

pic related. Her word choice is lazy. There is nothing moving about her words or images. Now some people are indeed moved by the message of these words, but there is nothing whatsoever poetic in the words themselves, if you catch my meaning.

>>12417976
Now I am not butthurt about her, just disappointed that her social media musings masquerade as poetry. There's nothing wrong with the messages of her scribblings in my view, they are just very trite. Poetry demands more. Her poems aren't 'bad' in that the only harm they cause is an obscure and probably materially meaningless way by confusing young people about what poetry is. Obviously this offends the sensibility of people who are emotionally or intellectually invested in poetry. Others are indeed assblasted by her cliched """inspiring""" feminism, but that doesn't mean they're wrong to say her work is bad and indeed not even really poetry.

Poetry can indeed be written in simple language, but it actually demands pretense and Rupi has none.

>> No.12418081

wait

there doesn't actually seem to be any recognisable form in this poem

i wonder if she genuinely has no understanding of scansion

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>>12418075
>pic related

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12418094

now i kno who she reminds me of

>> No.12418117

>>12416356
>Metre and rhyme makes poetry "better"
Retarded logic

>> No.12418122

>>12415513
This was great

>> No.12418132

>>12417976
EVERY adolescent struggles with selfworth. Stop pretending this exclusive to women. Men just deal with it differently and in ways that are less socially acceptable.

>> No.12418135

>>12418091
Isn't intelligence something you're born with also? Is it bad for a woman to be stupid and a coward?

>> No.12418151

>>12418132
And what does this tell you about our culture?

>> No.12418155

Im officially going to make a rupi parody book. What should i call it? I'm torn between "Ruminations on a Perfect Self" and "Ruak Ipur: The Century's Greatest Soul" or "100 Trite and Meaningless Phrases and Maxims You Could Post on Facebook"

>> No.12418157

>>12418155
The latter!

>> No.12418162

>>12418155
Be smart about it and make it so it doesn't reveal itself as satire on the first and second glance. Be subtle about it and then laugh at all the faggots that buy that shit and praise it.

>> No.12418166

>>12415328
It's not fucking poetry
It is
Simply poorly written
Falsely
Profound prose
Broken
Apart
By line breaks
In an attempt to make it seem
Deep

>> No.12418171

>>12418155
I support this. Stay strong and follow through.

>> No.12418172

>>12418162
I'm divided because rupi's own work is already so comically typical and repetitive that it's practically a self parody at this point, so if i was not outright mocking i dont think people would get it. I think the sweet spot is to write in her style about really vague/stupid/silly subjects

Also toward the end it will lapse into just insanity, like one that will just be the word fuck over and over.

>> No.12418180

>>12418172
>I think the sweet spot is to write in her style about really vague/stupid/silly subjects
This and also racist, homophobic, misogynistic, etc. but so that nobody really notices it right away. Write about how sexy Trump is, how dumb Niggers are, how homosexuals are all degenerates, etc. but be so subtle about it that all these feminists praise it and post it on their Instagram.

>> No.12418189

>>12418180
Well i mean i intended to dig at the inherently self-congratulatory nature of rupi's politics and of obsessively sjw stances but i'm hardly a racist

friends
we will make it
together
things are not unending
a phase or
an event
even a president
but we will
survive
because
our publisher
is very rich

>> No.12418194

>>12417976
"Just ignore this shitty thing if it isn't bothering you"
"Dont worry about the people eating nails for supper every day, why tell them that nails aren't to be eaten? They aren't hurting you :)"

>> No.12418201

Rupi Kaur literally killed poetry. Women ruin everything.

>> No.12418207

>>12418151
That Rupi Kaur is trash

>> No.12418213

>>12418201
If you're so aggrieved write some "great" poetry yourself and get it published.

>> No.12418215

>>12418189
The rich part might be too obvious.

you are
the sun
huge
in my empty sky
your hair
like wheat
an angel
building walls
around us
just so we can be
as one
together
safe
and sound

>> No.12418236

dive for dreams
or a slogan may topple you
trees are their roots
and wind is wind
trust your heart
if the sees catch fire
and live by love
though the stars walk backwards

>> No.12418239

>>12418213
Hi, Rupi. Post bobs.

>> No.12418249

>>12418213
I'm not a baseball pitcher or a basketball player but I can recognize when a player is absolute trash. I don't have to be a published poet to call out Rupi fucking Kaur.

>> No.12418264

>>12418249
Personally I dislike Rupi's poetry. But there are people out there who like it. Live with that. It's not up to you or anyone to dictate what is "trash" and what isn't. In baseball and basketball statistics can be consulted; not in literature.

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>>12417608
>ruby gloom
holy shit

>> No.12418443

>>12415328
The few poems I've read have seemed more like aphorisms with line breaks to create rhythm. Is that poetry? I don't know.

>> No.12418445

>>12415328
it's bad because she's a sandnigger shitskin bitch and a roastie cunt with an IQ of 90, tops

>> No.12418494

just type out
a paragraph without any punctuation
in a big solid block and then go back
to the start
and at random intervals press
your Enter key
to create
the pseudo-poetic structure
that has fooled so many
basic bitches
into thinking they're reading
poetry

>> No.12418498

>>12415377
https://www.thecut.com/2017/10/profile-rupi-kaur-author-of-milk-and-honey.html

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>>12417600

>> No.12418503

>>12418075
Who are you to define poetry? Are haiku poetry? Dadaïsm? You can't just claim that something isn't poetry because it isn't intellectual enough for you. It's the same thing with other forms of art. You can dislike pop music because of its vapidness, but it's music nonetheless, and depending on your point of view has more content than some minimalist "masterpieces".

>>12418132
Obviously, but how does this detract from my point? I never claimed the struggle was exclusive to women. On the contrary, I just pointed out that people who hate Rupi for trying to empoweer "thots" seem to claim the struggle is exclusive to men and don't seem to understand that women struggle with this too.

>>12418194
Argumentation befitting a tripfag

>> No.12418512

>>12415328
Rupi Kaur's poetry is unironically a good influence on our culture, and those who try to refute this often can't seem to go past misogynistic comments.

Is it art? Literature? Maybe not. But then why do I keep seeing this thread on a literature board, when "real" literature is discussed much less often?

>> No.12418522

>>12415344
spbp

>> No.12418568

>>12418201
>shitty but popular poets have never existed
chill, guy, it's gonna be alright

>> No.12418599

>>12418498
ty

>> No.12418606

>>12415341
This, but unironically. I think creative talent is integral to anything that wants to be recognized as art. In other words, art must be a product of a genius. If the work of art can be successfully replicated by anyone with little practice, it's not art.

>> No.12418668

>>12418606
>I think creative talent is integral to anything that wants to be recognized as art. In other words, art must be a product of a genius. If the work of art can be successfully replicated by anyone with little practice, it's not art.
I think this and therefore it's true. What elitist nonsense. Kaur's poems are art by definition and whether they are "good art" or not is up to the reader.

>> No.12418817

>>12418503
I haven't defined poetry and I accept the vagueness of any definitions. But I gained a master's degree by studying poetry so I do have some basis. Yes, of course haiku is poetry. It has formal and stylistic requirements which reflect essential qualities of poetry. Some dadaism is poetry, namely the poems. Dadaist poems are also centered around a core device of poetry, namely rhythm and playing with sound.

I say 'they aren't *really* poems', fully acknowledging the problematic of that. I don't claim it isn't poetry because it isn't intellectual enough, but because it lacks the qualities generally accepted to be essential to poetry, just as a pitchfork lacks the qualities generally accepted to define a shovel. Poetry needn't be intellectual, it is more of a formal things.

With visual art I take the approach that if it is presented by the creator as art, it is art. With poetry I find myself less generous because of formal reasons. Visual work can and must be more ambiguous because it is broader and even because of the very nature of the sense.

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>> No.12418895

>>12418498
>“This guy is the best,” she says, noticing an edition of Kafka’s complete stories; she’s referring to Peter Mendelsund, the book’s designer.
This is brilliant

>> No.12418935

>>12418857
kek

>> No.12418969

>>12417976
this

>> No.12418986

>>12417976
lmao so why does she spam the Enter key

>> No.12418990

>>12417976
>The answer is that her poetry isn't bad

it isn't poetry tho

what about it makes it poetry?

is this shit
that
I'm writing
out also
poetry or do we
have
to
abide by some
rules at
least?

>> No.12419023

>>12418990
It isn't poetry because it's continuous and "ungramatical"? Let's fuck off ee cummings too then!

>> No.12419027

>>12415733
I am physically incapable of watching more than ten seconds of that video.

>>12415869
Moral relativism is the cause of this and most other of society's problems.

>> No.12419031

>>12418498
>>12418895
I get a strong vibe that the journalist loathes this woman, or maybe I'm just reading too much into it.

>> No.12419036

>>12415328
It's not bad because it speaks to a certain audience and does well in that regard, but it's mediocre because it does so in a very bland, cliched and surface level way. There is almost no thought required to understand it and it caters to the lowest common denominator of it's targeted audience. it's the Fortnite of videogames where Pound's Cantos, while full of meaning and heart, is obtuse and obscurantist catering to the extreme opposite end of the spectrum (autists)

>> No.12419037

>>12419023
>ee cummings
great comparison, fuckwad

>> No.12419039

>>12415960
>I've got diamonds at the meeting of my thighs

Did we co-opt a feminist turn of phrase to describe our boners?

>> No.12419055

>>12419023
>cummings

yeah, they're totally comparable

can you link me an interview where this chick discusses her aesthetic reasoning for completely dropping poetic structure and randomly hitting the enter key as her sole artistic expression?

>> No.12419066

>>12418498
>She is, deeply and truly, a poet of Instagram
based and redpilled

>> No.12419068

>>12419055
>dropping poetic structure
Since when has there been a definitive poetic structure?

>> No.12419076

>>12418817
But
O O O O that Shakespeherian Rag—
It’s so elegant
So intelligent
“What shall I do now? What shall I do?”
“I shall rush out as I am, and walk the street
“With my hair down, so. What shall we do tomorrow?
“What shall we ever do?”

I don't think Rupi strays from this pattern too much. Obviously she has her own style which is different from Eliot to say the least, but if you can't call Rupi kaur a poetess, be ready to excommunicate a lot of people generally considered poets. TS Eliot, for one.

She IS making it new. Pound wouldn't like it, but i doubt that he would call this "not poetry". There are many poems which follow no structure (not saying the wasteland is one of them) but thats how it is. Poetry, if in essence, is expressing thoughts, feeling, emotions through words, in a distinct way, whether that be a sonnet or Rupi's musings, then Rupi is a poet.

>> No.12419090

>>12419036
Only you make Pound better than Kaur.

>> No.12419120

>>12419090
Umm, no sweaty. Read it again.

>> No.12419121

>>12419068
there isn't A definitive poetic structure

however, structure is one element of poetry along with language and topic that defines what the poem is.

what you can tell about Kaur is that she doesn't give a shit about actually writing poetry, but knows if she hits the Enter key, basic white bitches will see this recognisably similar 'poetic' shape of the text and suddenly be able to regard themselves as cultured readers of poetry. there is a huge difference between someone like Cummings, who purposefully ignores a coherent structure in order to use words completely visually, and someone like Kaur who is at best completely ignorant of poetry and genuinely believes there's no difference between her "work" and literally all poetry throughout history.

>> No.12419154

bruh
look at this dude
oh no
NO NO
look at the
top of his
HEAD

>> No.12419170

>>12415328
Cause it’s written by a woman lmao

>> No.12419176

who is she anyway? who is backing her? who is she connected to?

when someone who produces trash that badly becomes a hit and goes on talkshows you know somebody powerful is pulling the strings

>> No.12419224

>>12417976
is this a pasta?

>> No.12419226

>>12419176
I mean, it's pretty obvious she's been picked up and pushed to the forefront because she's a brown skinned woman breaking the white man's rules on poetry

and luckily enough it's so simplistic and shallow that it appeals to half-retarded girls on the internet who would otherwise be posting dumb motivational quotes

>> No.12419232

>>12417976
>And to those who hate Rupi of try to mock the style: if you can do it yourself, why don't you? And if you hate it so much, why don't you read something else?

Your post was sensible until you wrote this, you idiot, you fucking retarded idiot.

>> No.12419236

>>12419176
No connections, she just went viral irl I guess.

>> No.12419245

>>12418499
wow

did ?? you ?? know ?? this ?? means ?? so ?? much ?? to ?? me ??

>> No.12419257

If Shakespeare was born today and wrote his sonnets, would he be dismissed as an old white man who is too confusing to follow? If he was published in the first place.

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>>12415733
i want to perish

>> No.12419283

>>12419279
>3.7k
>2.3k

Face it lit. Not gonna be successful unless you condescend to write normie novels or "poetry"

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>>12415513

Thank you for this.

>> No.12419291

>>12415733
To be fair, many people are shitting on her too

>> No.12419306

>>12415733
I REEE'ed

>> No.12419324

who is her target audience, basic Instagram bitches or art hoes?

>> No.12419331

>>12415733
>I do not cum

found the source of her creativity.

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>> No.12419343

>>12419324
you hit the nail on the head

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>>12418213
> "You cant critique "insert form of art" if you cant create "insert same form of art"

>> No.12419394

>>12419324
There's a very large intersection between those two sets.

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>> No.12419405

>>12419369
My reply had nothing to do with criticism actually. Instead of lamenting the "death of poetry" go out and write works of your own that greater reflect your outlook on literature.

>> No.12419409

not worth the energy getting worked up over popular trends. her time will come and go.

>> No.12419424

>>12418512
retard

>> No.12419425

>>12418498
> She is, deeply and truly, a poet of Instagram: In the manner of that medium, her work is human experience, tidily aestheticized and monetized, rendered inspirational and relatable in perfect balance. Her poems are, for the most part, short enough to fit easily in Instagram’s square frame, and her sentiments general enough to be universally recognizable.

Fucking hell, this is amazing

>> No.12419429

>>12419409
Yeah but she will be replaced by someone even worse, the cultural standards of the West get worse and worse each year and it is painful to watch

>> No.12419438

>>12418498
> It begins to rain, and so we head toward the Strand. The publicist has warned me in advance that this could be a challenging place to speak — “They adore her,” so she may be obliged to sign books — but we are able to browse undisturbed.

>Kaur does not like to read when she is writing, and says that she hasn’t finished a book all year.

This is a great roast

>> No.12419446

>>12419425
>>12419438
> “I will always go into a used bookstore,” she says, even when she’s working. “I’ll collect a lot of covers that inspire me — whether it’s the paper inside, whether it’s a font, so then later I can be like, okay, how’s mine going to look?”


She is so vapid, she's concerned solely with aesthetics and the perception of her particular aesthetic rather than literature and poetry.

>> No.12419449

>>12419446
holy shit literally the Patrick Bateman of Pubjab Poets

>> No.12419451

I was never more disappointed when the girl I had a crush on told me she loved milk and honey. Lost interest in her immediately.

>> No.12419455

>>12419446
“This guy is the best,” she says, noticing an edition of Kafka’s complete stories; she’s referring to Peter Mendelsund, the book’s designer. “The dream is to have him design my next book.” His work, she points out, translates well across media — to different sizes, to posters, to digital.

>> No.12419464

>>12419449
>points to a Kafka book
>"This guy is the best. Not the author, the book designer."

It's like a well crafted parody

>> No.12419475

>>12418895
this cant be real l to the mao

>> No.12419478

>>12419429
no, it's always been this way. stop looking through rose-tinted glasses on a past you never experienced.

>> No.12419483

>>12419394
Aren't art hoes supposed to be into more "obscure" stuff, or a least passing the impression that they are?

>> No.12419484

>>12419478
nice projection kiddo

>> No.12419492

>>12419397
Honestly the best one I've read. Amusing simile.

>> No.12419493

>>12419483
most of them don't read at all outside of blogs and social media

>> No.12419497

>>12419484
so i'm right

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>> No.12419507

>>12419497
you'll find out when you're older

>> No.12419514

>>12419507
who hurt you

>> No.12419517

>>12419514
myself

>> No.12419554

>>12415530
Me t0o brother

>> No.12420342

>>12415328
Rupi's good but she's just not our thing

>> No.12420834

Link may work now
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xryu0eX2TcLTafLcWo25wdNaUQ2zY_BMSGvEDvLZ4Ks

>> No.12420862

>>12419446
>>12419455
This is what you must understand. Rupi is a terrible poet, but a fantastic salesman. I do not mean that she is good at picking the cover. Her books are not special. They are not designed well. She shows here mastery of selling by saying this to the interviewer. Fans will read this as sign of her devotion to the craft--if she cares this much about the covers, then all these words must be carefully considered as well. Her detractors will say it's a sign of her empty vanity, proof that she's a hack. But this kind of criticism, as true as it is, only serves as evidence to those who have bought into her brand that what she says is true and meaningful. And it really doesn't matter how aware of this she is. Either she knows exactly what she is doing, and is cunningly manipulative; or she has so finely crafted an image of the poet in her mind, that she effortlessly performs the motions without thought. Either way, she is an excellent salesman; plenty of people have sold their soul for less.

>> No.12420900

>>12420342
Based

>> No.12420960

even if
you don't like her poetry
it doesn't matter
because
few will remember her
in a century
even fewer
in a millennium
people will remember
the epic of gilgamesh
though

>> No.12421175

I cannot stand narcissistic personalities. She focuses too much on fartsy photos of herself and her "poetry" has hardly any thought put into it. There is no hard work except in her advertising. Note that she was a Business student. Kaur just likes the money and attention. What was that bit in The Cut interview with the rings? This fake bitch doesn't even read.

It sucks, but the reason she's popular is because she labeled her dumb sentences as poetry alongside that damn Insta atmosphere of vanity and it appealed to people who have never read or studied poetry before, hooking them in with extremely uncomplicated sweet talk and encouragement. They're going to look up other non-insta poetry afterwards and be disappointed.