/lit/ - Literature

>>12388792
sounds like a utopia

and he's right

Church and State intertwined

Would someone care to elaborate on this?

This is one of those things that can be loosely applied to anyone you see fit.
Fact is there is no concrete definition of fascism because it looks different every time a country goes fascist

>>12388792
umberto spend to much time thinking about this, for leftists anyone who is not a leftist is a fascist, thats how leftists recognize a "fascist"

>>12388889
Well since fascism is fiercely anticlerical, banning/controlling the Church means that the State is involved in it. It's quite obvious.

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Eco somewhat sympathetic to Fascism?

>>12388907
Why bother posting if all you have to offer is an absurd and insubstantial strawman?

>>12388917
because anything substantiated would be a waste of a post. Leftists dont care about logic

>>12388930
>*insert arbitrary strawman here instead of actually making a reasonable or defendable assertion*
Bit hypocritical, innit?

>>12388917
Ops pic is one giant strawman, so who cares

>>12388792
Could also be warnings signs of serious problems not being solved, so stress and hopelessness lead to negative consequences.

>>12388792
Sounds like Israel and Brazil.

>>12388917
Tankies regularly describe anyone who is not also a tanky as "reactionary" (liberals, actual reactionaries, fascists, milquetoast leftists etc.)
It's not an exageration. Either you want to hang the kulaks or you're a reactionary according to these people.

>>12388792
i mean crime and punishment is a pretty good book though

>>12388792
Wow just like the country I live in

It's like 1930s but with internet

>>12388979
whats a tanky?

>>12389004
Militant leftists, ussr apologists

>>12388972
>>12388792
Every government does that shit.
Stop being retarded, you're just mad your snowflake political color is not the one doing it.
Politics is 100% aesthetics.

>>12389004
State authoritarian socialists.

>>12388979
>It's not an exageration
But it is though, you should stop using SJW cringe compilations as your primary sources. I think the virtual culture war may have rotted your brain a little, no hard lefty is going to call a "milquetoast leftist" or liberal a reactionary, if anything they'd see them as not going far enough.

>>12389051
Every state is shit

>>12388792

EARLY WARNING SIGNS OF

F A S C I S M

BLOMPH

DADDY

A COP LOOKED AT ME TODAY

HAVING BORDERS IN CURRENT YEAR

THE ONLY THING THAT GIVES ME AN NON-DRUG INDUCED ERECTION IS THE SIGHT OF A SOLDIER AND I HATE MYSELF FOR IT

SIGN NR. 5: MEN

REDNECKS ON TV

ME NOT BEING ABLE TO GET MY YEARLY ABORTION

NOT BEING ABLE TO FIRE SOMEONE THROUGH TWEET SPAM

ALL I HAVE AFTER A MONTH OF FRIVOLOUS SPENDING IS ENOUGH MONEY TO BLOW ON EXACTLY ONE MORE FRIVOLOUS PURCHASE AND WHY THAT IS REGAN'S FAULT

NOT QUIVERING IN REVERENCE AT THE MENTION OF JON STEWART

DUE PROCESS

MONSANTO DRINKING THE BLOOD OF FLINT YOUTH

MY CANDIDATE LOSING ELECTIONS

>>12388792
This is a dumbed down version for American liberals to share to prove that Drumpfs Amerikkka which hasn't impacted their lives beyond making them sad the drone strike mulatto isn't fingering the button anymore is fascist. Actually may even date back to GWB who hilariously is way closer to Obongo than Drumpf.

In the way Eco actually describes and outlines fascism he himself hilariously almost glamourises it. He can't help himself but describe it as some elemental, eternal force that taps into some cthonic energy that needs to be eternally suppressed or else it will take power. Basically as if fascism was the natural state and we have to pro-actively prevent ourselves from drifting back towards it. Eco sucks and not for his politics. But his description of fascism is great because it is an honest account of how liberals are terrified of the hard right because they give it some mystical aura and power. Unlike how those same rightists view liberals which is as dumb faggots with 1930s jew caricatures puppeting their pear shaped soft bodies.

>>12389083
>ME NOT BEING ABLE TO GET MY YEARLY ABORTION
>NOT BEING ABLE TO FIRE SOMEONE THROUGH TWEET SPAM
>ALL I HAVE AFTER A MONTH OF FRIVOLOUS SPENDING IS ENOUGH MONEY TO BLOW ON EXACTLY ONE MORE FRIVOLOUS PURCHASE AND WHY THAT IS REGAN'S FAULT
>NOT QUIVERING IN REVERENCE AT THE MENTION OF JON STEWART
>DUE PROCESS
>MONSANTO DRINKING THE BLOOD OF FLINT YOUTH
>MY CANDIDATE LOSING ELECTIONS
not bad

>>12389107
Liberals love to project that they are the eternal underdog and not the status quo for like 200 plus years now

The title of the list is "early warning signs of fascism" and not "signs of fascism".
The keywords here are "warning" and "signs". Maybe you retards from /pol/ have forgotten how to read, but "signs" implies a usually vague recognition or presentiment of a future event, and this may or may not effect a change.
>Signs of a draught
>Signs of a suicide

Fascist governments in Latin America, for example, commonly had paramilitary factions which were committing crimes before coups ever took place. The list does not explicitly include such practices, which points to the fact the list is fairly wide in scope.

>>12388799
Epic, fellow kekistani!!

>>12389167
autism

>>12389079
Kill yourself namefag.
I don't care how long you have been here your posts were shit in 2008 and continue to be shit in 2019

>>12389197
That's what your mom said.

>>12389107
The reason Eco "glamourizes" fascism is so that liberals can see that it is genuinely attractive. It's not as though millions of people woke up one day and collectively decided to become cartoon villains.

>>12389083
based

>>12389163
>Fascist governments in Latin America, for example, commonly had paramilitary factions which were committing crimes before coups ever took place
You mean the CIA. Those tinpot dictatorships were authoritarian only insofar as they preserved the American aligned market system. Calling every government of even right of liberal fascist is straight from the Trot playbook. Fascism is a nebulous thing but it is incorrect to strip it from a narrow historical context of post-war Europe. Peron was at all Mussolini. And even Franco who commonly gets called a fascist was in his heart a monarchist forced to make do due to external circumstances - hence why the Falange faded and he put more emphasis on the church towards the end and then the final transition back to the kings. Calling everything fascist is a flippant dismissal and intentionally ignores the more complex issues at the heart of it all

>>12389107
This is true.

Part of Trump's success can be directly traced to mainstream media outlets like CNN (which yes, call me /pol/ if you want, genuinely are staffed entirely with left wing people) acting as if he was the deepest, darkest thing to emerge since Hitler. And since the media is - whether they like it or not - an authority figure and part of an entrenched cultural eatablishment, this made Trump an "anti-establishment" candidate despite his being a billionaire fully divorced from the lives of the majority of the population.

If they had instead discussed Trump just as he was without any agenda or baggage, it would have been obvious what a meme candidate he was and he would've been the 2016 equivalent of that republican candidate quoting the Pokemon movie in a speech. But instead they lent him a dark power he had none of by himself and turned him into a capital-t Thing. The whole thing is their fault.

>>12389249
Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

>>12389083
Very cool post.

Literally all of these can be applied to the modern left/Democratic party, depending on how broadly you define the terms in certain points. This list is essentially meaningless.

>>12389257
filtered :^)

He could just said fuck america and not be a vague shithead like the rest of his kind

>>12388792
I disagree fully. Fascism is a way of life that disintegrates the boundary between politics and private life. The capacity to be idependent and live life independent of politics is the antonym to fascism, in the same way the fascists seaks to control everything, the SJW seeks to politicize everything. They are fascists.

>>12389271
Presumably they're red flags rather than definitive traits of fascism as its a pretty malleable term.

>>12389271
Or that the distinction between left wing and right wing is so small that both fulfill the criteria

>Disdain for intellectuals and the arts
Fascism is an art movement.

>>12389079
Agreed

> disdain for the intellectual and arts

No, disdain for the (((intellectual))) and (((arts))) rather than the intellectual and arts.

>>12389215
>>12389257
Stop

>>12390987
Capitalism cannot exist without some form of a state. Fyi

>>12391007
>((()))

>>12390966
>>12391007
Fascists fetishize the art of the past in an endless degrading cycle of mimicry. They appeal to the sense of nostalgia within us all but few know how to deal with

>>12391035
Stop replying to/bumping your own posts namefag.

Fascism is founded on paranoia.

>>12391007
The (((intellectual))) and the (((artist))) wouldnt be able to push their subversiveness without the tolerance, and thereby support, of the typical intellectual and artist

>>12389079
The state is necessary to get to a point where it cam be removed

>>12391071
yikes

>>12391075
It's how history works. You don't just go from cavemen straight to communism

>disdain for the intellectuals and arts
Ezra Pound radio program, the second one, shows how this is wrong

>>12388908
But fascists like Salazar were highly religious, don't be silly

>>12388908
>what is ustaša

>>12388949
>It's legit strawman I am an intellectual non of this pseud nonsense for me!

That's how you strawman, not an argument that has factual points

>>12388792
OP = LIBTARD

>>12391087
>implying you can form a stateless society with the innovations of post-Neolithic man that created the state to begin with
Post-Neolithic man is extremely hierarchical, on the fact that some people's ability, whether by circumstance or skill, will be better than others. People who need more than they provide at the end of the day will respect and rely upon those who provide more than they need. After enough generations have passed to where the fiery emboldening of communist realization have tempered into embers of status quo, all it would really take are enough people with in that 'provider' class more ambition than they do ideology to set the whole anarcho-system crashing down

>>12388930
>facts dont care about your feelings
Why are you on /lit/?

>>12391138
Anon=sheltered suburban white boy

>>12389083
triggered