/lit/ - Literature

why are you posting it here? this board is Peterson brainlets by vast majority now.

>>12385585
das rite bitch boi

>>12385591
>an obese man feels alpha for once in his life

>class struggle
>faggot in a Brooklyn bar participating in pure bourgeois degeneracy and calling it art

>>12385585
>zizek
>not a brainlet
lol

This is a literature board and the sticky clearly states that threads should be about books.

You posted a link to a Youtube video (did you know Youtube aka Pseudtube is for lazy jackasses, teenagers and idiots).

Please delete this thread and I hope you get banned.

>>12385669
It's of one philosopher/ writer discussing another philosopher/ writer. If you want to discuss genre fiction, bookshelves or booktubers there are many other threads, fren.

>>12385704
Go to >>>/his/ to discuss philosophers or philosophy in general. /lit/ is for the discussion of literature (fiction, drama, prose, poetry etc.) Specific books about philosophy are welcome topics here, particularly when they are related to literature and criticism.

The entire point of this board is to discuss reading and books, not Youtube videos. Please delete your thread and make it on /his/.

>>12385566
Why did I watch that when I knew it was going to be a waste of time? I guess I did see some titties tho.

>>12385659
>worships a literal pseud, and a bad one at that
>has the audacity to call anyone a brainlet

>>12385986
I dont think zizek is a pseud , just his youtube fans.

>>12385623
This guy and the "art" performances made me physically cringe. Why do self-proclaimed "Marxists" in the West have to be so embarrassing and effeminate?

>>12385566
>but it did challenge the notion that Marxism is only the domain of joyless intellectuals
Rather deal with them than joyless SJWs

>>12386098
sjw's are based and redpilled because they believe in something unlike centrists that are just pretending to be indifferent because they are lacking the courage to actually take a stand.

>>12385986
>implying i care about peterson
my point was they're both retards, sorry to hurt your feelings by bashing your boyfriend lol

>>12386107
>sjw's are based and redpilled because they believe in something
So do fanatical sports fans, doesn't mean they aren't equally retarded. Believing in something stupid is worse than believing in nothing. Or do you think Bronies are among the most enlightened members of our late capitalist industrial society?

test

>>12385566
I always try to give this guy a chance to understand him but it's literally just nothing. He makes sounds but says nothing. How does he have any career

>the most dangerous philosopher in the west
Vice deserves death

>>12386238
Based

>>12385566
>We are the world's first
>Marxist DJs
>effeminate hand wringing lispy cocksuckers

Are they even trying? Seriously this is so fucking stupid

>>12386301
They don't even fundamentally understand the Marxism they claim to represent. Champagne socialists indeed.

>>12385566
Now, I'm starting to question some of the belief's I've received via /pol/ osmosis, but can you really take a look at the types of people in the latter half of the video and say with complete honesty that they are the "oppressed working class" that Marx hopes will revolt? All I see are faggy academics and hipsters from gentrified urban centers that use Socialism as a means to have self-masturbatory festivals with performances, music, and cake.

The sheer irony of two effeminate bald "men" writing songs about factory work set to hyper-capitalist 80's pop beats in a country where that type of employment has been eradicated in the past three decades simply baffles me. How does a philosopher like Zizek not look at this event and see the sheer lack of self-awareness possessed by these champagne socialists?

>>12386301
They also aren't the first Marxist DJs, there's been a minor Left rap/hiphop scene for ages. Menteroja etc.

>>12386493
being poor, i can't help but sympathize with socialism, but at the same time, it's hard not to get the impression that socialism is little more than a hobby for trust fund kids, artists, media people, and assorted professional class strivers. despite all the saber rattling and bleating about "succdems", it's telling that none of them ever attempts to organize actual workers or do anything that could plausibly be considered radical. in fact, i get the impression that if a bunch of carhartt sporting (not wip) working class joes showed up at a dsa meeting, many of them would be extremely uncomfortable and possibly annoyed. the whole focus of these people's revolutionary activity seems to consist of tweeting, podcasting, writing in left-wing literary journals, and going to protests. when's the last time there's even been a left-wing terrorist? even if i heard on the news that a bunch of bankers or ceos or some other ostensibly left-wing targets were killed, i'd just assume it was the work of some weirdo strasserite neo-nazi or some radical muslim or something. it would never occur to me that any of these dipshits could be responsible.

>>12385623
HOLY FUCKING SHIT I WANTED TO VOMIT AT THAT
THAT MADE ME WRETCH
CHRIST ON HIS THRONE STEEL MY STOMACH

>>12386582
All true. That's half of why I left school and became a wage slave.

>>12385566
>if there's a lesson in marxist teaching it is that class struggle persists and the proof is trump's victor
sounds like empty grandstanding
>how much the electoral body moved to the right
ok, so what?
>their biggest achievement is that they broke out of this culturalist leftism
i guess they did, but any guy on the new right could tell you the same without pretending to be doing high theory
>here again marx is actual
is he?
>at the end you stumble upon the problem of capitalism
but marx wasn't against the "all solid melts into air" part of capitalism were all traditional institutions break down, he liked that part, and marxism doesn't address this issue at all beyond saying that if workers had direct access to the product of their work they wouldn't care about that loss, which is too hand-wavy to be taken seriously
>and we do not have an answer here
i guess he is correct here, but then why listen to him at all? any retard right winger on youtube will give you the same diagnostic, and no solution, but then again Zizek has no solution either so he is not offering anything that they don't

my verdict is cringe and slightly-redpilled

>>12385721
you are mistaking /lit/ and /r/books

>>12386084
discord trannies are the current leftist vanguard, it's the world we live in

>>12386493
the left has always been rich kids playing social engineering games with the masses, and if you missed this you haven't been paying attention to history

>>12385566
I initially liked Zizek but the more I read and heard from him the less coherent he became and he just seems like another social critic who hedges a lot of bets and doesn't actually have a solution to any of the problems he points out.

Having said that, A Pervert's Guide to Ideology is still a great film about films.

>>12385566
Concentration camps are wron-
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51ys9jO55fA

>>12386493
>works in retail or service and attends university
>"yeah, I'm working class"
I've heard this said and taken very seriously
these supermarket socialists want to sieze the means of customer service

>>12386643
Nah, weird artsy fartsy leftists have existed in the West since the 20s desu. Its part of the reason why Marxism was as influential as it was, because anyone with artistic sensibilities was somehow drawn into the fold of producing Marxist shit.

>>12385566
>skip to 20 minutes in
>girl bearded man is talking about Karl Marx's birthday and they're having a orgy dance session for him
Why are Marxists such weird effeminate cultists? There's nothing about his actual works that seems to warrant such followers. So why do they flock to him?

>>12387116
I think a lot of Marxists aren't so much Marxists as they are anti-capitalists. Now to be fair, there's a lot to criticise capitalism for, but these people take it to an extreme and centre their whole identity around it. Since most people against capitalism tend to be well-educated middle or upper-middle class urban people who would lose the least in a transition away from corporate power, it's only natural that they're going to be thematically interested in things urban upper-middle class people usually are (weird art displays, interpretative dance, etc.)

>>12386238
you replied to my post which didn’t defend Zizek in any way. that indicates some kind of emotional investment in Peterson since it solely attacked him in the first place and did nothing else.

>>12387125
they seem like the ultimate consumers

>>12387156
Funnily enough, they usually are. I come from a somewhat liberal inner city area, and a lot of people I know hold strong left-wing views, but they somehow find no irony in obsession over the latest Smash Bro game or planning trips to the most banal tourist trap destinations.

>>12387116
>So why do they flock to him?

read ted to find out

>>12387295
based and redpilled

>>12385566
Basedboys and women ruined communism, no self respecting man would want to be associated with this.

>>12385566
Imagine going in there with a bunch of Bolshevik bros and bayonetting all that bourgeois scum.

>>12385566
>you talk about transgender toilets and so on and there you have an all right working class revolt

based & redpilled

>>12386107
>because they believe in something