/lit/ - Literature

I think Rothfuss and Trump are securely the same person

>>12373069
>Conspiracy theories
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/07/india-scientists-claim-ancient-hindus-invented-stem-cell-research-dismiss-einstein

sanderfag a hack

I tracked every book ever suggested to me by /lit/ and /sffg/. I fell for many memes and was disappointed with obvious neckbeard recs. I mostly read literary fiction.

rate and recommend stuff pls

What is the most GRI book?

You guys meme'd me into reading BotNS. It was a damn good meme.
What other sff books provide mysteries for the reader to figure out on their own and are also a blast on a second read?
I also bought Hyperion, which is the other title I see here a lot. I'm glad I'm getting back into reading.

>>12373148
>What other sff books provide mysteries for the reader to figure out on their own and are also a blast on a second read?
Malazan Book of the Fallen

>>12373118
I recommend rereading Dune until your taste improves

>>12373276
NO,ANON,PLEASE DON'T LISTEN TO HIM,IT'S A MEME,SAVE YOURSELF WHILE CAN

>>12373118
Gollancz SFF masterworks series is pretty good
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SF_Masterworks
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_Masterworks

>>12373069
>Monthly Reading for January: A Scanner Darkly by Philip K Dick

thinking of reading this however it will be my first exposure to dick's books. will it fuck up my perspective of his work or does it not matter if this one is my first taste of him?

>>12373118
I can recommend Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser if you want characters that feel a bit more real than the normal stuff. Their adventures are genuinely pretty creative and Lieber is really good at subtle foreshadowing. Lean Times in Lankhmar is probably the perfect example of that.

Also, Zelaznys first Chronicles of Amber is pretty great. The second Chronicles is a bit more meh, but I enjoyed it. Its like a subgenre shift from hard boiled detective to cyberpunk, which someone people disliked.

Can I read BotNS in other translations or do I need to read in English to fully understand Wolfe's work?

>>12373118
Is Red Rising as bad as you guys meme it or is it an okay tier?

>>12373118
Ender's game is such a piece of shit, I don't understand why people love it so much.

>>12373569
It's YA. I liked it.

>>12373069
The Silmarillion proves that the earth was flat until we pissed off god enough that he crunched it up into a ball just so we'd fuck off and leave him alone.

>>12373569
Okay tier for sure, first book is very hunger games-esque though. It does improve after the first book and becomes s little less YA-ey.

>>12373571
>lets spend the entire novel going into great detail about how military tactics could work in microgravity and then have the final climactic battle that we've been building towards the whole book be done off-screen.

>oh but the B plot about two kids trolling the world's only message board and changing the world TOTALLY makes up for it.

>>12373571
Same reason all the mouth breathers like Artemis Fowl, books with badly written genius child MCs will always be in vogue.

>>12373120
Prince of Nothing

>>12373118
There's only one way to fix shit taste- your step-dad's shotgun.

>>12373591
>tfw too fucking retarded to understand what fucking Ender's GAME is actually about

Jesus fuck just shoot yourself in the head already.

>>12373625
what, hating the gays?

>>12371612
I'm not, nor will I be.

Download: http://b-ok.cc/book/878958/0c476b

>>12373118
/lit/ recommended you read Eragon?

>>12373365
Your first taste of Dick doesn't really matter that much. The only books I'd say benefit from some previous exposure is Valis and Three Stigmata.

>>12371792
>What are good fantasy books with a Greco-Roman, Mediterranean
Latro in the Mist

>>12373771
I didn't like my first Dick that much and it put me off trying any further Dick

>>12373771
noted, started the first chapter and it's pretty darn good. the man certainly knows how to keep a feeling of paranoia and unreality, strong start.

>>12373627
No, but it should be. We need more of that in literature. Specifically highlighting how leftist shit for brains can't abide any political opinion they disagree with, ever, especially if they're gay.

>>12373944
How's that autism working out for you irl?

>>12373944
That worked fast.

>>12373949
>it's autism to not boil everything down to a political trigger point
>>12373951
What's that, revealing that /lit/ is full of leftist shills?

>>12373956
>What's that, revealing that /lit/ is full of leftist shills?
yup. They just can't help themselves.

>>12373775
Masters of Rome*

Are "The Three Body Problem" and his sequels good? The concept of higher dimensions in sci-fi inerests me a lot.

>>12373944
As a gay communist and also a frequent reader of Bakker I cannot not point of the irony of this line
>Specifically highlighting how leftist shit for brains can't abide any political opinion they disagree with, ever

>>12373967
>gay communist
Sounds like you share too much.

>>12373965
>fantasy
Masters of Rome is historical fiction you absolute retard.

>>12373966
They are good. Some surface knowledge of the history of China make it even better.

>>12373961
Obviously not, even when called out on their BS, they attempt to play the victim.

>>12373972
>Some surface knowledge of the history of China make it even better.
Like the battle of suiyang?

>>12373969
I'm also a satanist living in an polyamorous collective. And I voted for Her.

>>12373972
Historical fiction is fantasy for intelligent people and skilled authors.

>>12373973
victimhood is to leftists as tail feathers are to a male peacock.

>>12373977

>>12373976
>And I voted for Her.
It's a good movie.

>>12373977
>skilled authors

How is padding fan fiction with shallow historical popcorn facts considered a skill?

>>12373994
he's talking about the holocaust.

>>12373967
>LOOK AT THE IRONY!! HAHAHAHA
I am not sure if you are attempting to dumb the statement down to mean something it does not in order to inject a sense of irony, or if you simply missed the point.

>>12373118
You haven't heard of Lord of the Rings before /sffg/?

What makes Sanderson bad?

>>12374255
Shallow, dumb, bad characters, bad writing, tons of padding, excessive "world building". Pretty much what you'd expect from a sheltered religious person.

>>12374000
seems about right for a fiction writer

>thread is about conspiracies
>read through entire thread
>it's pol going crazy retarded
>they aren't even trying to veil that they are from pol
OP you fucked up and brought them out the woodwork.

>>12373994
It takes more effort to accurately past civilisations, characters and their complexities than to just make up your own. You dense motherfucker.

>>12373120
To Sail Beyond the Sunset,it literally ends with the whole family having a wedding orgy.

>have lurked these threads for 3 years
>still haven't read Hyperion
What is your biggest failure anon?

>>12374650
Falling in love with The First Man in Rome series

>>12374661
In my 5 years in this general, I remember we got at least 3 people banned for shill spamming. Stop pushing masters of rome. Do that shit in outer lit.

>>12374673
Who are you talking about? And how do you know they didn't just get tired of shilling?

>>12374673
Hey, I found it suggested in this general, and mostly lurk.
You can go fuck yourself.

>>12374673
Hey remember the bunny shill? i wonder where he is now.

>>12374702
One can only hope he necked himself a long time ago.

>>12373069
>>12373118
What do you guys use to make book charts? photoshop or something online?

>>12374781
There isn't a template. Which is why it's hard to do. I use gimp, some use photoshop. You can make it in paint if you want.

>>12373069
I'm not very familiar with sci-fi / fantasy but I'd like to read a book with the feel of pic related. I want witches that can move space ships through hyper space, heroes, demons, magic and plenty of action.

>>12374922
Witchworld
Darkover Series
The Book of Skaith

>>12373567
Wolfe uses a lot of technically-English but very rare/archaic words as part of "world building" in BotNS: this works partly by archaism, partly by defamiliarization, and partly by subtle differences in the meaning of these words from "normal" English terms. This wouldn't be impossible to replicate in another language but it would be unusually demanding on the translator.

You should probably stick to the English version.

>>12375056
Gravity's Rainbow did it better.

>>12374781
I use Inkscape

>>12373118
Check out Lord of Light by Zelazny
Chronicles of Amber is shit IMO but Lord of Light is BOTNS tier

>>12373118
I'd recommend Throne of Glass.

>>12375152
You would

>>12375137
Fag

>>12374417
I miss the days when most of the internet wasn't infested with either fat /pol/tards or fat SJW.

>>12375446
I haven't seen one SJW, fat or otherwise, ever. Not one fucking interaction. /pol/ seems ever present

>>12375512
They're too scared to come here. They're usually around tumblr, Twitter or reddit (places you shouldn't go anyway).

>>12375558
>>12375512
It’s more /lit/ is a low traffic board. Go to /tv/ or /co/ if you want to see it better. They only come to ebil 4channel to pick fights.

>>12373118
>Joe Abercrombie
>"fun"

>>12374255
You're on /lit/. It's obviously due to popularity and success.

>>12375627
>go to /co/
Are you out of your fucking mind?

>>12375446
>>12374417

/pol/ users don't exist in a vacuum. /pol/ users like things. When they go to discuss the things they like, on a board dedicated to the things they like, they do not shed their political opinions at the door.

So when they're in a thread and some other poster brings up politics and a /pol/ user gives his two cents and you see this, you get butthurt. After making a couple of posts that add nothing to the discussion other than >>>/pol/ >>>/pol/ >>>/pol/, when you go to /qa/ and whine for hirohito to delete /pol/, you're not asking him to delete /pol/. You're asking him to ban opinions you don't agree with.

You see that's the thing with leftism, it can only exist in a highly moderated space. It cannot hold its own with total free speech. That is precisely why /pol/ belongs on 4chan and you don't.

Any fantasy where the protagonist is a cute nomadic barbarian who drinks the blood of her enemies out of skull cups?

>>12375726
>if you don't like Mcdonalds it's because they are successful

>>12375775
Sourcery

>>12375779
Obviously popular things are only popular because they are the height of quality, like the transformers movies.

What are your hopes for interesting stuff on Skagos for The Winds of Winter? I think it would be a fun twist if they made up all those rumours about cannibals and unicorns to keep people out not because they want to isolate themselves but because they want to protect everyone from something on the island.

>>12375737
Sometimes you have to send them into the fire anon.

>>12375742
/pol/tards are just as sensitive as SJW. Two sides of the same coin. And not everyone who isn't /pol/shit is a lefty but whatever, I don't even know why I keep bothering with people like you.

>>12375844
>people like you.
What did he mean by this?

>>12375844
>everyone who dislikes rothfuss is from /pol/
Wow, that's like, a lot.

>>12375844

>>12373571

CRINGE & YIKES

>>12374977
Thanks. Any other suggestions?

>>12375896
basically proving my point

>>12375914
Basically admitting to trolling outside of /b/ at this point.

Would you idiots please resume discussing SF&F literature? Regardless of your opinion this bitching belong on >>>/pol/.

>>12375928
Go get fucked in a dumpster. You want your safe place then go back to /r/books.

I enjoy Wheel of Time but I also hate it.

>>12375137
I read the premise of Lord of Light and it sounds really fucking dumb, yet it gets almost universally praised.
I'm intrigued to be honest.

Long time fan of Peter F Hamilton but his latest book (The Salvation) is sjw filled cesspit. Not sure what happened, the book is really bad, did the publisher push for more diversity and progressiveness?

>>12376151
it could be one of the best books ever
BUT
it clicks during the third reading

>>12376067

I feel the same way regarding Ice and Fire.

>>12373771
The only Dick I've tried was Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.

It was pretty okay.

>>12376161
What makes it bad? Planned on giving it a try even though I've been told Hamilton is a hack.

>>12373494
>>12375137
>>12373326
Thanks.
I've always been curious about Zelazny and also Heinlein but I didn't know where to start.

>>12373757
Tbqh, Eragon and RA Salvatore are not mentioned a lot, but if you check the post your shelves threads, a lot of people seem to have read them.

>>12373966
It has many many faults, like how almost every character is one dimensional, but it's quite entertaining. The scale of it all makes it very unpredictable.
It's like the author knew about "show not tell" """"rule"""" in writing, but had no taste to discern when to tell and when to show. As a result, the attempts at poetry are retarded. Maybe a Chink STEMfag can't into lyricism. For example, characters would embrace or look at a picture and feel 3 different but compatible emotions, followed by the end of the chapter. In contrast, a guy has to explain some scientific mambo jumbo? You need to paint the picture on these super crazy structures? Cool, let's write non stop for 5 pages about it.

>>12376419
I rather liked Starship Troopers but I haven't read Heinlein's other works. I admit to some bias about the book as he has the military work in some ways I agree with (namely taking officers from the enlisted ranks instead of college frat houses), but that's likely because I'm an Army Vet and that's just something I can relate to.

>>12376318
He writes simple prose, but story telling and plot is not bad, he is better than most contemporary scifi authors. If you are ok with that then you will like him. Read previous books, Commonwealth Saga, Night Down trilogy.

What makes Salvation bad? It appears that the whole point of the book, the story, the plot is to use it all to push diversity and have an excuse to come up with most ridiculous gender fluid pronouns.

>>12376440
>>>/pol

>>12376450
Nah, I enjoyed the movie too. I just connected with the book likely because I read it when I was still in the Army and it has some very strong pro-military points that I could relate to.

Plus who doesn't want bad ass power armour?

>>12374255
I don't know why, but whenever someone brings up Sanderson I close my eyes and 3 things come to my mind.
>WoW aesthetics
>Cheetos
>orange Fanta

>>12376464
you're not fooling anyone, nazi.

GET

OUT

Is Hyperion a good read as a standalone or would I need to commit and read all 4?

>>12376495
I almost got mad but then I realized this is 4chan and you're probably just trying to stir the pot and get me riled for fun. Well played.

>>12376531
It's perfectly fine as a standalone. But if you read #2 you have to read the rest.

>>12376531
Nothing is resolved at the end of the first one

>>12376488
So Sanderson exactly what you'd expect him to write after taking a look at him?

>>12376532
There are a surprising amount of libs here, however. I guess nobody likes reddit anymore.

>>12376706
It's all good to me honestly. I mean I read a wide variety of stuff (to include webnovels from Korea and China) and I don't get too mad when people don't like what I like.

>>12376723
>and I don't get too mad when people don't like what I like.
aka being reasonable.

>>12376723
>>12376787
You seem to have made peace with the fact that you have shit taste gentlemen, good for you.

>>12375742
I dislike /pol/ because it's politics, not because of their affiliation

>>12376787
Weird how that works, right?

>>12376819
By "shit tastes" you mean I don't only read the classics and will read anything that catches my interest regardless of where it comes from or who wrote it, sure.

>>12376787
>not being a raging faggot on a Lithuanian Sock Washing Forum

Why are you even here?

>>12376833
Just to suffer.

>>12376838
That works too

>>12376821
It would be far easier to list things that don't count as politics than to list the things that do.

>>12376833
To see alternate viewpoints, see unfiltered opinions on things and generally round my experiences out so when I write I have more to draw from.

>>12376854
Whaaaaat? All you need is a bachelors in english to become a world-class writer superior to tolkien.

>>12376854
So you're here to watch raging cretins raging like a bunch of cretins?

>>12376854
>I base my characters on 4chan users
that sounds like such a great idea, what could go wrong?

>>12376865
I'm not really a fan of Tolkien to be honest. He was too in love with his world building and not enough with his characters.

Besides, if you just try to emulate the greats you forget to find your own voice and craft your own story.

>>12376866
Probably.

>>12376881
Well I am writing a cyberpunk story so having a reference for anonymous internet stuff is always good.

>>12376881
I think he's trying to write One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest but with autism instead of lunacy,

>>12376905
No, but that'd probably be a decent book.

>>12376865
When did Brian Blessed fuck Ed Sheeran to give birth to this monstrosity?

>>12376937
No idea, but he's got beta mouth.

>>12376937
>brian blessed
don't bring tom bombadil into this.

>>12375775
Jirel of Joiry

>>12376940
I don't know what that is but he should close it.

>>12376976
It's a thing a lot of guys who identify as "male feminists" or "SJWs" do. Basically it's this need to open your mouth like a fucking beta fish in every picture you're in. Usually while pointing at something.

It's the male equivalent of duck face.

>>12376963
>C. L. Moore created Jirel, ruler of Joiry, in reaction to the beefy total-testosterone blood-and-thunder tales of '30s pulp magazines, but Jirel is no anti-Conan. She's a good Catholic girl, stubbornly purposeful, relentless in pursuit of enemies or vengeance, hard-boiled and a little stupid, and cannot be distracted by mere physical attractiveness. Indeed, in Jirel's world, beauty = decadence = corruption. Were these stories written today, inevitably Jirel would have a lot of hot sex, but as they were first published in Weird Tales between 1934-1939, sexual attraction is mostly only vividly implied. No loss.

>>12376987
Oh, now I got it, it's a hipster/nerd thing more yhan anything else. I've seen these people pointing at merch and shit like that in pictures with their mouths agape. Both groups deserve concentration camps tebehe

>>12375742
why did you delete it?

>>12377017
Because it's faggotry and you know it.

>>12377017
That was the mods. I did not delete it.

>>12376987
>>12376976
>>12377013

>>12377025
Why do your ideas need to be insulated from other ideas?

>>12375899
Uuuhhh maybe Demon Princes by Jack Vance

>>12377041
Let me guess, half-caf with onions milk?

>>12376612
Yeah. Also compound in the fact he gives lectures on how to draw maps for Fantasy novels.

>>12374650
i dropped botns halfway through the third book. It was ok but got boring.

>>12377397
first two are great
they could be made into great films also

are there any books similar to pic related. bascially extremely graphic violence, some GRI but set in feudal japan and focusing on samurai

>>12375056
the audiobook for this was pretty good

>>12373591
You read SciFi just to see spaceship battles?
You might as well just read Tom Clancy or some shit like that.

>>12377618
>it's okay for a story to build up to an event only for that event to be off screen

>>12377464
Shogun?

>>12376865
Oh nonononononono, literally this face. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>>12377637
The ultimate reveal of Ender's Game is miles better than seeing generic military sf battle #6725 you fucking pleb.

>>12377700
The ultimate reveal that they were wiped out by a magic bomb?
> than seeing generic military sf battle #6725
With the other 6724 battles being the mock battles filling out most of the book's content?

I use to really enjoy the xanth novels
can anyone recommend any similar series

>>12376568
Is it overall enjoyable? I've seen some anons disliking the second book.

>>12377728
It wasn't a bomb as much as it was a kind of anti-matter weapon that set off a chain reaction with the planet itself. Also they echoed the "gate is down" plan pulled from the earlier training to do it.

So we had foreshadowing and payoff while exploring a character who was being stressed to his breaking point to meet the expectations he was under.

>>12377873
Payoff? Ender himself didn't even know the final mission was real until he was flatly told as such afterwards.

>>12375704
Why are those two kids giving the dog a handjob?

>>12377956
They're canadian.

>>12377954
The pay off was of the foreshadowing of the "gate is down" bit that they employed the previous time they were basically screwed belong belief. The training exercises were simulated space battles with the students acting as ships. The entire thing was to train someone to handle the rigors of command and lead a fleet of ships into enemy territory and get the before they got us. Those war games were then mirrored by the latter portion of the book, concluding with mirroring that desperate tactic to win by taking the enemy gate before they got wiped out.

Seriously, between your misunderstanding about the Little Doctor (which was a gun, not a bomb, they were fighting in space, not making bombing runs on planetary installations for most of the book) and failure to understand how foreshadowing works I'm not surprised you don't like the book. I seriously wonder if Green Eggs and Ham is too deep for you.

>>12377991
You're really upset about this.

>>12377998
I was for just long enough to write that and now I'm good.

I don't stay mad at stupid long. Just long enough to get it out of my system and then it's gone.

>>12378010
I'm sure it must happen an awful lot. Everyone else is sooooo stupid but not you!

>>12378019
Not really. It's more than they were dumber than average. But that's what I get for doing office work for people who join the Infantry. Those fuckers only need to score 35 on the ASVAB out of a max of 99. That's like a super F.

>>12378033
Oh yeah man, i hear you, the military is soooo dumb they even like trump ha ha.

>>12378044
Point was that I got used to dealing with some especially dense mother fuckers and learned to not stay angry when someone annoys me.

Seems like the kind of people you'd fit right into actually.

>>12378060
haha it shows, it shows.

>>12378065
You're almost adorable.

Seriously though, read any good books lately?

>>12377684
where this stupid " oh nonononono" meme come from? its beyond cringey

I've been thinking about picking up the Dresdan books lately to read. Any opinions on if its worth it?

>>12378175
You'd have to tell me, i'm too stupid to know for myself.

>>12373088
Glad they’re not in danger of becoming separate people.

>>12378196
Harry Dresden?

The only thing i know about that is that my idiot friend who loves garbage television and shit like we are bob and the name of the wind is obsessed with it.

>>12378196
Shlock. Fun but shlock. Don’t be too critical for the first two or three books, because even the author knows they were poorly done.

>>12378196
Well, I gave it a try and I thought it was some really shallow garbage and outrageously horribly written.

>>12378208
The show isn't as good as the books I hear.

>>12378211
Fair enough. I can get behind some good shlock though.

>>12378223
>Well, I gave it a try and I thought it was some really shallow garbage and outrageously horribly written.
Yeah that sounds like something my friend would like.

>>12378223
Shame. I rather liked reading him talking about novel writing (I ran across a link to his Livejournal last week) and was interested in seeing how it applied to his actual books.

Are there any good books in the Elric saga? I tried to read the first one but it was written like shit. Does the author improve later on?

you guys know of good russian sci fi apart from roadside picnic? I read a bit about Slynx and it sounds kinda cool

>>12378296
How about the books the Metro games are based on?

>>12378296
Solaris

>>12378266
I actually liked the first one (Elric) better because it was focused on just him and it was the typical antihero revenge story. Even though it was short, Elric's worldview was apparent.

Then I read 6 other books and the writing became gradually worse. The characterization was even more one dimensional (just emo Elric drinking himself and fucking some random whore) and the plotting too was dumber.

>muh Eternal Champion
I guess this schlock is not for everyone but I'm not going to read 14+ books with shit writing to find out.

>>12378356
I didn't even really get in to the start of the plot; I flushed it a couple chapters in because I couldn't stand the wording. It seriously reads like something I'd expect from a particularly bright twelve-year-old. The dialogue was some of the worst shit I've ever read. Everyone's fucking conversations were
>over-emotional greeting to remind you how character feels about the person
>immediate dive into some expository bullshit
>scene change

Finally said enough is enough and started writing again /sffg/, I'm forcing it, and it shows, but words are dripping out about a hundred or so at a time.

>>12378223
>>12378248

the first two books are complete garbage. It picks up around the third book and then just keeps getting better. Of course with Peace Talks in development hell I imagine the steam's running out. After the last short story compilation he put out though I'm starting to suspect he's actually working on a middle-grade spinoff

>>12378514
What I found works best for making me write is doing it on my phone or tablet. It's stupid but you can't have multiple tabs showing at once and that alone makes it ten times easier.

>>12378518
eh, for me it's all riding the waves of passion

I a spent year languishing on the first act of my first novel before writing the other three in the span of two and a half months, after which I spent another year making nearly zero progress editing. I thought I was going to grab the next one but it got hijacked by the sudden inescapable urge to modify a pokemon game

>>12378549
>writing the other three in the span of two and a half months
How big works are we talking about in terms of word count and how much did you have planned out beforehands? That sounds like a lot of work in a small time frame.

is God Emperor of Dune based?

>>12378514
Im sure butcher wants to release things reddit cats say, book 2 before anything else.

> In the cradle of our past, I lay upon my back in a cave so shallow I could penetrate it only by squirming, not by crawling. There, by the dancing light of a resin torch, I drew upon wells and ceiling the creatures of the hunt and the souls of my people. How illuminating it is to peer backward through a perfect circle at that ancient struggle for the visible moment of the soul. All time vibrates to that call: "Here I am!" With a mind informed by artist-giants who come afterward, I peer at handprints and flowing muscles drawn upon the rock with charcoal and vegetable dyes. How much more we are than mere mechanical events! And my anticivil self demand: "Why is it that they do not want to leave the cave?"

>>12378661
Is that from caves of steel?

> Oh, the landscapes I have seen! And the people! The far wanderings of the Fremen and all the rest of it. Even back through the myths to Terra. Oh, the lessons in astronomy and intrigue, the migrations, the disheveled flights, the leg-aching and lung-aching runs through so many nights on all of those cosmic specs where we have defended our transient possession. I tell you we are a marvel and my memories leave no doubt of this.

>>12378670
God Emperor of Dune

>>12378615
It wasn't that big. The total was about 84,000 words, though I probably deleted another 10k in editing.

I didn't have everything planned out initially but when I get in mood my mind kind of fills every available second with thought. When I modded the pokemon game I was working 5-7 hours every evening

> I know the evil of my ancestors because I am those people. The balance is delicate in the extreme. I know that few of ;you who read my words have ever thought about your ancestors this way. It has not occurred to you that your ancestors were survivors and that the survival itself sometimes involved savage decisions, a kind of wanton brutality which civilized humankind works very hard to suppress. What price will you pay for that suppression? Will you accept your won extinction?

>I LOVE Dune

why do people like dune so much? It really wasnt that good. Also the movie will be dog shit ven though Villeneuve is good.

> What is the most profound difference between us, between you and me? You already know it. It's these ancestral memories. Mine come at me in the full glare of awareness. Yours work from your blind side. Some call it instinct or fate. The memories apply their leverages to each of us—on what we think and what we do. You think you are immune to such influences? I am Galileo. I stand here and tell you: "Yet it moves." That which moves can exert its force in ways no mortal power ever before dared stem. I am here to dare this.

What are some books similar to the first half or so of The Wheel of Time?

>>12373569
It is str8 fun. You'll be mildly embarrassed at times, but it is less anime then most YA.

>>12378704
The worldbuilding is very good and probably exciting if you're into that Arab nonsense. The Chosen One trope has been done to death but I thought it did it alright (considering it's age). The only things I hated were the prose and most of the characters.
There's a few ways to interpret the story, what it all means, etc. which isn't something you can do with all sff. And it's interesting to see the influence it had on later media, e.g. Star Wars. It was very obviously not written by some lazy fuck who jerks off onto some pages and calls it a book.

>>12378704
Because it's Baby's first space opera

>>12378963
that would be star wars/trek.

>>12378999
You're right,i'm autistic

>>12378704
>Villeneuve is good

>>12379142
>sicario, incdendies and enemy arent kino

>>12378704
>wojackposter
Die

>>12379142
How does it feel to have shit taste?

> Pages: 1083
How the fuck am i suppose to read this thing? On a table? On a music stand?

>>12379881
>woman archer
Hate this trope

>>12379881
use your weak girl arms. I read this in bed no sweat.

go fuck yourselves

>>12379913
>He didn't start with the Greeks
We weren't kidding, anon.

>>12379975
Stop pretending to be me. I will sue you.

I find Rothfuss' world to feel more alive than Martin's. Why is that?

>>12379994
I don't believe in the law.
Stop shitting up their thread

>>12380011
Toxoplasmosis.

Is Dresden Files actually any good or have I been rused? All I ever see is people jerking off over how amazing it is, but this is the worst self-insert nonsense I've ever read. It's like some weeb's fanfiction got published on accident. He even gave himself a fedora and trenchcoat.

>>12379881
On a kindle?

>>12380027
You just listed the reasons why its fans think it's amazing

>>12380027
You have accurately assessed it.

>>12377464
Not really. Shogun is great, being only loosely inspired by historical events. I also really enjoyed Cloud of Sparrows and Autumn Bridge, which are more historical.

The closest is probably Lian Hearne's Tales of the Otori. It's a fantasy version of Japan and can be pretty violent at times, also incredibly depressing as well because it's very much a tragedy. The original trilogy was pretty decent, as was the prequel novel. I never got around to reading the sequel novel though.

>>12380027
>still taking reading suggestions from Reddit in 2019

>>12380079
It's not even reddit, it's fucking everywhere. At least it's better than a Sanderson book.

>>12380027
They are fun novels, but you may as well just read The Big Sleep.

>>12373118
good chart, your taste appears to be similar to mine (from what i've actually read of those books)
i'd recommend KJ Parker, one of my favourite fantasy writers. the engineer trilogy is a good place to start, or The Folding Knife if you would prefer a standalone

>>12380011
brainletism

>>12380030
>fantasy e-books
What's the point? There are no maps, no cool art on cover, no page decorations.
Fantasy meant to be read on paper.

>>12380027
WHO WOUDL'VE GUESSED???

I haven't read any sff published later than 2008 because I presume it's all extremely influenced by the internet, especially sci-fi. Am I correct?

>>12380286
No.

>>12374922

Dying Earth my good sir.

>>12380286
Your prejudice is unfounded. You might find examples to support it, but largely it is largely not the case.

>>12380286
On the contrary, most sci-fi writers seem to pretend ubiquitous internet didn't happen or is going to be rendered obsolete by further progress. Pattern Recognition by Gibson, while not strictly sci-fi, is probably still one of the few novels that actually try weave the internet as an integral part of the story and it came out already in 2003. As for the other way you could be "influenced by the internet", Charles Stross is pretty much the only author I can think of whose career has degenerated into spouting memes and gushing about cats.

>>12380063

I always felt the magic in Tales of the Otori was introduced badly. I gave up on them as a teenager because the main character was, with zero training, doing a power the readers had only vaguely heard about and it was a key part of the plan. IIRC there was even one power you found out about because he used it, even though he himself only found out he had powers at all recently. So there was at least one awakening moment or teaching conversation with a master missing, that was really jarring.

>>12376997

I don't know who wrote that but they were probably reading a different Jirel to me. "Good Catholic girl" implies doing your Latin homework on time and remembering your psalms for the nuns teaching you, not going to the fucking underworld to bargain with a demon so you can kill your would-be rapist.

>>12376865

It's insane how much younger (and lighter) he looks back then, it really has been forever since he published the first one.

>>12373569
It's just fun.
Sometimes in the third book, Morning Star, I was annoyed by the plot, but overall they're fun books to read.

How is Elric?
I just bought "Elric and Other stories".
I can't quite tell because some people here hate and say it's shit, and others think it's good or great.
Tell me why you think it's either bad or good.

>>12380457
You just bought it so read it. You could get through it in three days maybe. Make up your mind you dumb fuck.

>>12380116
That's why i keep telling peeps not to read popular stuff, but no one listens. The plebs are dumb, and if they like something, then most likely it's dumb too.

>>12378686
>>12378549
>>12378514
Flavour anon, you were told years ago. You edit a book WHEN you are finished with your draft. No wonder you don't have no progress if you write one chapter then spend two months editing it.

You just write until you think your story is done, no reading what you have before, just write. THEN read through what you wrote, then read again and start organizing your words to match how you want events to take place, check for logical consistency, grammatical errors, all the while adding in and subtracting.

Writing a novel isn't the hard part, it's the editing that comes afterwards that sucks the life out of you. You will have reread that draft so many times that you will dream of it. If you think you should change something make a new word document and name it alternate chapters, and put any changes you have in there. You write everyday even if it's shit. You don't go back the next day to edit your shit, you move on.

Can't believe I'm doing this, but this is how you should plan:
>think about what you want to write
>think about what you want to happen
>think about where you want things to happen / you want characters to go
>what you want your characters to do
>who are your characters
>any special conflicts you want
>how much rape and incest you will tastefully add
>anything special about the world
>what's your beginning, starting, middle, and end
>if you are using magic or tech make notes of the basics so your readers won't call you a deus ex machina hack
Put all of this in a word document and label it basic info. You can add more pertinent information to it anytime, and it will function as your consistency check. You will have a loose guideline to follow.
If you wanna write something else, go ahead, but follow the above. So if you got your other story out of your system, you can reread the basic info again for your other project and continue like nothing happened.

I don't want to see no whining about editing from you for the rest of the year flavours fag, unless it's about your completed draft. I put up with your shit for 3 years. Organize yourself and stop bitching, and write. Maybe you don't actually want to write...

>>12380027
>He even gave himself a fedora
Want to know, how I know, that you didn't read it?

>>12380482
I'm asking about the whole series, I should have elaborated on that, sorry.

>>12373118
You were suggested eragon and hairy patta by lit?
You were supposed to have read those when you were 8-12, while dropping the eragon book because it was complete trash, then continuing with harry potter, while developing as a reader with retention skills and looking for hidden meanings (things that happened but the author didn't outright say it). Why are you reading those two books as a twenty something?

>>12380353
Who is the guy at the bottom?
Also I want to put my seed deeep inside Rowling's womb.. Halp

>>12380798
Stross

>>12380759
10/10 post

>>12378686
Right, I misread and thought you were talking about three separate novels instead of acts of one novel. Well done, anyway.

>>12380759
anon, i'm sorry but I don't think you read my post. I wasn't complaining about editing, especially not before a draft was completed. I learned those lessons years ago.

my post was celebrating that I finally am making progress. im not sure how you got complaining about premature editing out of that

>>12381157
It's probably the built up frustration from years of you crying about editing not working out how you want. I just had to get it from my system.

>>12380011
Autism.

>>12381197
its fine anon. im sorry. I realize I've got a bit of a problem. im still trying to figure out a way to vent my angst in a way that doesn't bother anyone, but I hope the choice to finally put the pedal to the metal will make a difference

>>12381263
Do you already follow some of my advice, or plan to?

>>12381288
i already do all those things except for taking notes. the bitching about the story im on now is because i got stuck on the planning stage, but now I've finally broken through the roadblock, so all I need to do is keep at it until I get a rhythm, and no backtracking until the draft is done

>>12381315

>>12380792
Okay, blog time.
When I first read Harry Potter it wasn't a huge thing in the media (I think there were no sequels at the time). I was hugely disappointed because it was written like a children's book, the whole magic thing was retarded and the main characters were literal dumb children.
Both my parents were huge readers who rarely indulged in bestsellers so they picked stuff for me. My mom got me Harry Potter because someone at the bookstore told her it was popular with kids of my age.
I think I was 12yo and I was mostly done with Children and pre Adolescent lit, moving on to more "demanding" books, mostly classical YA books (like Tolkien, Poe, Doyle).

Fast forward more than a decade and I was dating this girl, younger by 6 years, who had grown up reading HP, Tolkien and Eragon. Our common interests were fairly plebeian but she wasn't THAT pleb (last time I checked, her new favorite book was The Book of Disquiet by Pessoa, but I don't think I had too much of an influence).
It was the early days of /lit/ and people shat on HP and neckbears reminisced about how cool Eragon was. The critique was typical 4chan hurr durr Harry Potter bad and
>reading genre fiction
I wanted to shit on both but my autism demanded to actually read them for myself. There was also an article by Harold Bloom iirc who asked himself if it was okay for kids to read shit for the sake of reading.
HP in particular had reshaped the cultural landscape and I wanted to check if I was being a pretentious cunt. So in a couple of weeks I read Eragon (utter shit) and the whole Harry Potter series.

I was 27 at the time so it was obviously too late for me. I could appreciate why so many young people liked it (basically children have no taste and after becoming "infected", their minds grew up at a similar rate to the maturity of the series).
What I will never understand is how or why the same people hardly venture outside genre fiction. They are the same dummies who find The Stranger or Greek classics too boring, and end up praising Rothfuss.

>>12381420
>They are the same dummies who find The Stranger or Greek classics too boring
Because they are. The only reason you and outer/lit/ reads them is to feel superior and intelligent, not because you actually enjoy them. Most people aren't that pretentious and just read what they like.

>>12381420
I grew up on genre fiction (not Harry Potter though) and I'd say I prefer more literary books as an adult. Your sense of superiority in regard to the 'brainwashed plebs' is unwarranted, some of those people probably wouldn't read at all if it weren't for those genre works. Obviously you think they have bad taste, but anything that helps literacy is good in my book. Basically, why_not_both.jpg

>>12381420

>>12381445
The superiority is probably just an ironical facade or a phase desu. If your anti intellectual knee jerk reaction to "boring" books is caused by their contempt, maybe use your head and stop projecting so much.
In my case, I picked up reading as a "serious" hobby when I was 19. I went to a technical college but my major in high school was Humanities, where I learned some of the boring stuff was actually good and some of it was just plain boring. I decided to read to expose myself to stuff that would make me more intelligent, or so I hoped. The sort of books I chose forced me to engage in a dialogue with the text and think, and not just paint an accurate or pretty picture inside my head.
I obviously enjoy those moments of reflection, otherwise I wouldn't keep doing it.

>>12381465
I honestly don't care about literacy in that context. Readers tend to stick to the things they know are enjoyable and hardly venture outside that.
Before pulp fiction, the offer was a lot more diverse. These days you can read 400 YA books about space vampires and you'll still have barely scratched the surface. This allows you to stay in a broader comfort zone (space gay vampires, cybervampires, vamps vs vamps, vamps vs fairies, etc) and you even mix other media, like a vlog of a girl reviewing vampire fiction, or watch vampire films, play vampire games, etc. There are whole communities dedicated to space vampires.
What would encourage you to explore other genres? Not genres in the sense of magical elves instead of space vampires.

im beginning to understand that harry potter's massive appeal wasn't merely a consequence of quality or marketing. the story drew on something the demographic already wanted to believe, validated their world view and then gave them the promise of a coveted place in that world.

it's basically using the same tactic as religion

>>12380457
I don't know what's in that particular collection, but Moorcock is definitely an ideas guy who can't write for shit. The Elric stories get better as they go along but the dialogue stays embarrassingly bad.

>>12380457
It's the archetypal Dark Fantasy,wtih all the good and bad things that entails,imo it's great but i understand why some people don't like it.

>>12382045
yeah im sure this is what 8 year olds think about

idiot

>>12382287
in other words, dumbass, im saying that it was so popular because it told kids what they wanted to hear, gave them a paradise with that didn't exclude them for being in the real world or being normal, made the adversary a gatekeeper that would forbid them access or ruin that paradise if they didn't act.

in other words it appealed to people in the same way religions appeal to people, but in this case a religion specically designed to draw in spectacle-minded 10-year-olds

>>12382287

Not the OP but do you really think the young middle class children of "nice" boring middle class people in their 30s - early 40s will have different fantasies or beliefs? Kids of that age more likely than not just believe whatever their parents do.

>>12380027
Jim is on record as saying that after several failed attempts to get published he finally tried writing a book like his lit professor said he should as a kind of "fuck you" to try and prove that following that formula to write something wouldn't work. Obviously he was wrong as it ultimately gave him a story that could be published.

From what I gather the reason it became 1st person was an agent's feedback and from there the rest is money in the bank.

>>12380770
Which is even more amazing when you consider he doesn't even have a fedora on the cover.

>>12380759
One trick I've seen touted by some writers it to change your text to comic sans before editing. Only the best writing can show through shitty font choices.

>>12382406
You can make this sort of argument about every single demographic or book, it isn't unique to Harry Potter or children's fiction. The only difference in this case is the scale.

>>12382459
I never understood co's and g's (and to a larger extent the internet's) rage to comic sans. I like comic sans

>>12382547
I don't get the rage, but apparently putting your work in a less professional font choice makes it easier to edit. So it's worth a shot for anyone who needs to make their editing go smoother.

>>12379913
Its entirely possible for a woman to draw a 40-45 lbs bow, which is more than enough to kill a person, a deer or a boar at a fair distance.

>>12382638
Hell, if you draw a bow right you're not using your hands and arms as much as your whole back and legs.

That said, if she isn't wearing a chest protector she's going to get smacked in the tit.

Giving that Martin loves to borrow a lot of Lovecraftian elements what are the chances that his Gods like The Drowned God and The Great Other are actually aliens who just so happened to be stranded in his world and made the best out of their situation? I think Arthur Dayne's sword kind of hinted at this.

>>12382464
i think HP had a lot of factors that mattered

>it was set in our world, removing the barrier between the reader and story
>the story progressed at the same rate both in-universe and out over the course of seven years, meaning that the characters and the reader grew up together and were consistent presences in each other's lives
>the storyline likewise matured with the reader, preventing the reader from outgrowing the tone
>Rowling's world building was extensive, and focused more heavily on the daily culture of the wizarding world than on the history, religion and politics that Tolkien followers try to write
>the characters balanced strong, distinctive and enjoyable personalities, but with realistic depth and growth
>probably other stuff

>>12382547
there's and undertale comic?

get out

>>12382638
An unarmoured person

>>12382660
I think its just background flavour and probably wont be brought up, certainly not in the main plot.

>>12382638
Oh shut up, you faggot.

>>12373148
If you find any, let me know. BotNS and Hyperion are practically in a league of their own as far as SF goes.

>>12373118
>Dune
>shit

Yup, mongoloid detected

>>12382663
>the storyline likewise matured with the reader, preventing the reader from outgrowing the tone

I mean, that makes sense for the adolescents reading the books as they came out, but it sure doesn't explain the adults that have never read another book since but will loudly proclaim their love of reading and Harry Potter.

>>12383070
the social engineering is what made it a billion dollar franchise, but wouldn't be possible if they hadn't also been entertaining.

the books had genuine appeal. they may not be high literature, but in case you haven't noticed, most people don't like high literature.

>tfw never read Sanderson
>call him a fraudulent homosexual anyway

>>12376531
>>12377837
The first two books form a pair, and the third and forth ones do as well. There is a time gap between the two sets, so I would recommend a pause between reading the first two and the latter ones.

To understand why some actions happened and why some characters acted in certain ways or how they end up you might want to read the whole cantos, but it is not required to enjoy just the first two, or even just Hyperion.

The second, third, and fourth books have a different structure than the first, which is told in episodes from the perspectives of different characters. Some people like only the first or second two books, some like the whole cantos.

I greatly enjoyed all four of them, and consider it a single, outstanding work of fiction. Try them and judge for yourself. If you don't like the third book (Endymion) you can probably dispense with fourth as well.

>>12382638
Not him,but i hate this trope because its overused,not because i think women can't lift a bow.

>>12382660
i dont think so. i doubt he'll go into anything like that
>>12373148
its not sffg but arcadia by tom stoppard

>>12383234
Absolutely based and redpilled

>2 books I might read coming out in jan
>both at months end
struggling to find anything that holds my attention rn, only new release that wasn't a sequel to something I've read which caught my eye was buy the Lives of Tao guy and I never finished that

>>12379881
Bitch go and buy a physical copy of the recognitions, that shit is a paperback that weighs the same as a bottle of wine

>>12380213
Ebooks have all those things though.

Any good fantasy-mysteries?

>>12383588
Without thinking too much about it the only female archers that come to mind are the girl from Hunger Games, Merida (Disney), the OC from the Hobbit movies and Artemis. Out of these one is an elf and one a godess so I feel like they are excused. What are some books featuring female archers?

>>12383613
i'm having a great time with A Scanner Darkly, 5 chapters in and it seems like Dick can't run out of ways drugs might end up fucking up your life. I'd say try it if you are interested in drug related culture or psychiatric cases cause he sure as hell gets the symptoms picture perfect

>>12383628
try the library of forgotten books series. its more magical realism than straight fantasy, but it's enjoyable

>>12383794
>40 ratings only
Are you the author?

Are there any fantasy books other than the Poppy War where the protagonist is literally Hitler/Stalin/Mao?

>>12381420
Damn bro you must be a fucking dinosaur. What are you still doing on 4chan?

>>12382655
Only modern women have an average D-cup tit.
In older times (before 1950), the average was B. It wont get in the way of anything.

>>12373575
those fucking Numenóreans I swear

>>12383867
maybe you're looking at a later book? The first one The Shadow Of The Wind was a nyt bestseller

>>12383867
fuck, Cemetery, not library

>>12384331
One of those things is not like the other

Cultivate furiously and slaughter ur enemies

>>12385083
and fuck kingdom toppling beauties while you're at it

>>12385150
Wow no ok, more like be a 2000 year old virgin

>>12373148
>>12383026
L O R D O F L I G H T

I've been screeching like an autist about this book but nobody reads it
It's the only book that comes close to attempting what BotNS does that I've read so far
Hyperion is up there but has too many boring straightforward parts; priest and scholar chapters were BotNS tier at least

>>12384833
explain

>>12385453
Okay, I'll bite.