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He's deliberately suppressed.

http://www.lsr-projekt.de/poly/ennietzsche.html#k3..

>>12368690
I like him just because he makes everybody incredibly angry.

>>12368690
Everything he said, someone else said it better.

>>12368739
100 years after he said it

>>12368739
Name one who did.

>>12368770
Marx and Engels

>>12368775
nothing they said concerned Subject Ontology

>>12368690
Because he's a retard an nobody seriously cares about him beyond his meme-potential. Jordan Peterson tier.

>>12368782
>Jordan Peterson tier.
someone must have rattled your brain as an infant. Stirner unlike Peterson doesn't constantly strawman philosophy, and he actually contributed something new that wasn't blind Greek individualism. your statement is clearly emotionally charged, I don't know how Stirner has hurt you in your life but it most certainly doesn't warrant such shitposting.

>>12368690
historical irrelevancy

Because he was a tiny spec that only reached modern society because it sort of appeals to objectivist americans as some sort of a posteriori founder. There were hundreds of philosophers as productive as him that we'll never hear about.

>>12368690
Because some of his ideas are expressed in Nietzsche's works and apparently people prefer edgier stuff that also doesn't require some special preparation to understand

Stirner's only remarkable influence is negative - as in regards to Nietzsche and Marx. By itself, his work is irrelevant.

>>12368889
>There were hundreds of philosophers as productive as him that we'll never hear about.
such as?

>>12368690
Because radical individualism isn't conducive to academics, they needs spooks to justify themselves.

>>12368906
What ideas are shared by Stirner and Nietzsche?

I was under the impression no one actually read Stirner, they just post his funny portrait and like to say "spook" a lot.

>>12368924
Stirner is the first synthesis that I know of of Hegelian dialectics and pure consequentialism. unless you can name someone else.

>>12368952
Anticlericalism, disregard of morality, conceptions of Egoist and Übermensch, etc. But the difference is that Stirner's philosophy is much more well thought, consistent and revolutionary for its time

He btfo the current moral hegemony. A society is a multiplicity constructiom of action data, where different act system propogate themself. Becuase theese systems seek to propgate their act data, any attempt at destroying them, Stirnerism, is quickly eliminated in fleshspace.

>>12368985
But the Übermensch is a spook, the Egoist just is. On anticlericalism Stirner would be closer to Sorel. Also neetzsche wasn't really amoral, he disliked what he termed "slave morality" and saw value in a higher more noble sort of valuation.

>>12369002
Your sentence make zero sense and is full of errors.

>>12368739
Stirner reads like he is incredibly low IQ.

>>12368906
>that also doesn't require some special preparation to understand
but Nietzsche does.

>>12369016
he's a skizophrenic Nick Land accelerationist.

>>12369026
STOP

>>12369016
It's full of errors but it makes significantly more than zero sense.

>>12369029
he literally is though. he's using Landian jargon.

>>12369033
bro he told you to stop

>>12369014
That's why I said (or at least meant) that they are plain similar, not that they are absolutely the same
>>12369025
I bet every 13 years old teen with IQ above 120 can understand 3/4 of what he wrote

>>12369032
>A society is a multiplicity constructiom of action data
What the hell is this supposed to mean?

>>12369047
I'm the og poster. To understand what I have written you need to start with the greeks and continue atleast to delezue.

>>12369022
Because he was having fun and being humorous,meanwhile the other hegelians were a sack of depressed twats, marx was literally shaking when he wrote all those pages about how max btfo him out of existence.

>>12369042
And this is a bad thing, exactly, why, besides the fact that you can't use for pseud creed?

>>12369079
The Greeks are not to be taken seriously. Everyone should start with Richard Dawkins and his book "The Selfish Gene" (I know /lit/ hates him, but I'm serious). Now explain what on earth you were talking about.

>>12369104
tarveisan the demiurge, dawkins imply breeding/passing on genes is the end and not a mean to an end, Epicurus (especially the lost texts) is the most important philosophy of all.

>>12369102
I've never said it's bad, I said that due to this fact Nietzsche is more well known than Stirner

>>12369115
>tarveisan the demiurge,
No idea what this is supposed to mean

>dawkins imply breeding/passing on genes is the end and not a mean to an end
What is that supposed to mean?

>Epicurus (especially the lost texts) is the most important philosophy of all.
The philosophy of what makes people happy? You must be joking.

>>12369140

>>12368690
>why is he so overlooked in the humanities?
What he proclaims is almost trivial if you assume a properly and consistently materialistic perspective on human beings. This perspective infuriates most humanities thinkers to no end, so when they read Stirner, they consciously or unconsciously interpret him in the most retarded way possible and then treat him as an evil retard (which he wasn't). And for those who want some edge Nietzsche is way more attractive for reasons already stated in the thread.

>>12368690
Because humanities are the study of spooks by spooked people. They are, by the very word, the study of collectivists materials. It requires a collectivist mindset to appreciate humanities.
That's not to say a stirnerist can't use collectivist principles to his own benefit, but if universities taught egoism, theyd likely lose some of the sheckle bag students and possibly cause a widespread egoist revolution in society, which wouldn't bode well for the existing hierarchy.

Stirner's emphasis on the Ego (by which we mean the separate, thinking being) was taken from Fichte (through Hegel), who took it from Descartes (through Spinoza and Kant), who in turn was inspired by St. Augustine.
Stirner's rejection of everything that is not his own as a spook is preceeded by Cartesianism and Pyrrhonism.
The idea that the ego is ultimately motivated to fulfill its desires was already present in Hegel, Spinoza, Hobbes, the Stoics, even the Bible.
Unlike Kant or Hegel, Stirner never came up with anything more complex than the spook. Philosophers do not use things that cannot be used to analyse or classify things. People like Stirner are seen as iconoclasts for this reason.

>>12368707
Thanks for this anon-kun

>>12368934
All the other Hegel students that Marx and Engels mocked along with max forehead.

>>12368690
arts universities are literally propping themselves up on oppressor studies, even in the form of dialogue. Saying you drew an apple and a pair of tits because you simply willed it is a sure fire way to be kicked out.

>>12369226
yikes. you might as well just say everything from western philosophy came from the dao. it would be more accurate too as the dao was penned by long before any of the things you talked about and still holds more truth.

stirner's philosophy is unique within the western world but it's not a philosophy you teach to drones it's something the ruling elite who controlled society intuitively understood which you can see by their actions. they don't want you to be their competition so why would they spread the word? you don't teach sheep how to bite when you're the shepherd.

He's on the list of most important publications of philosophy.

Which one of you was this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_important_publications_in_philosophy

>>12368690
he is a fucking chad, and the retarded libtards cant handle it

>>12369661
This is the explanation
>>12369104
For this

>>12369644
My gay husband.

>>12369614
Engels never mocked Max, in fact he liked his work.

>>12369674
I'm not a liberal though.

>>12368739
They really didn't. There's an internal consistency to Stirner that's pretty unique to him.

>>12368780
read the German Ideology when Marx btfos Stirner for like half the book

>>12368889
His ideology undermines objectivism as much as anything else and his completely trashing the left Hegelian tradition was not insignificant.

>>12369115
you’ve done way too many drugs my dude. you seem like you used to be a smart guy, but you’ve completely lost it

>>12369026
Yeah and he is right also

>>12368690
He's not a philosopher, just an irrelevant polemicist without the luxury of being attached to a particular great moment of modern history like Voltaire.

>>12368770
Hegel

>>12368870
That’s what you want people to believe, but you’re so wrong
You a member or a scared bitch?

>>12369140
The philosophy of the right way to see the world. You act like happiness is nothing

>>12370759
>member
Memer

>>12370716
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Stirner

>>12370677
>the German Ideology
I just read it and Marx is ass-blasted as fuck

>>12370677
Read Stirners Critics and watch him before Marx without even reading the damn thing

>>12370823
>before
Btfo

>>12368690
Stirner is a kid compared to Nietzsche and seeing how 4chan is filled with manchildren with stunted minds i can imagine why he is popular here

>>12368770
Zhuangzi

>>12370759
It's not nothing, but it's certainly not something I would call the most important philosophy.

>>12370840
explain how or why faggot

How does the ego come upon it's owness or whatever? Like if you realized the church was a spook yet you felt like you fit into the community quite nicely or something.

>>12370900
He doesn't reference philosophy from Parsa

>>12370677
Saint Max was mostly Marx nitpicking Stirner's language (which to be fair, Stirner's usage was somewhat clumsy) and then talking past Stirner because their focuses are so far apart while failing to understand the joke behind his work (no, the stages of man and society were not meant as serious developmental milestones; he was very obviously making fun of Hegelian dialectics, and the real meat of his work was using dialectics to construct an ideal that fundamentally undermines the Hegelian project).

>>12368707
Based forehead with one book still haunting people from beyond the grave. Very interesting link.

>>12368747
But still better. Ideas are not valued by their date, but by their worth and possibly their influence.

>>12371096
you choose to be a church go-er
you choose to say psalms
you choose to integrate the church into your life and not the other way around

spitballing

>>12370891
Turns out it is very important. You go your whole life believing in “forms” and spirits, you fuck up pretty much everything in the world