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Yes, you can still benefit greatly. The chains of habit still are strong and you will feel yourself called back to it. You may think this is just the state it is, just part of the human condition but I can tell you first hand, that it doesn't need to be this way. With effort, it is possible to practice chastity, mentally and physically without self-defeating incessant sexual urges.
The long-term damage does not arise from the depletion of semen but rather habituation and alterations to the default mode network to be sex-centered, effectively reducing your mind and all it's goals to a consumption mindset wherein the attainment of pleasure is the one, all consuming thing that is on the mind, an urge that ultimately can never be satisfied and the intelligent person feels the fundamental competition this inflicts on. You lack the autonomy over self that you once had as a child and are now in bondage to a whim that out competes your very aspirations—in Kantian terms, heteronomy.

I too have squandered many of my years in reckless abandon, ultimately not satisfying but reinforcing (now that's a scary thought) this pathetic urge.
The one thing I will say is that it is remarkably easier to quit before your mid 20s. If you are 19, 20, 21 21, please, quit now and do not look back. Alas, my problem was that I became comfortable with intermittently breaking my abstinence as needed. Say before a large exam or whenever I had much to do. Yet, as the years progressed, so did the habit, until came such a day where abstinence was almost impossible. In fact, indulging this instinct ad libitum (like most people), revealed to me why this habit was incompatible with any sort of greatness or, if you're beyond that notion, even exerting agency over life. Pornography, and hypersexual behaviors infects and poisons the mind, until you are nothing more than a dick for a brain.

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Sexual activity affects the body in more ways than practically any other action. The sex act (masturbation included), from arousal to ejaculation to habituation has chilling physiological repercussions. Endocrinology and neuroscience show that shy of drugs, no other action affects the body so much, so suddenly--- hormones, neurotransmitters, are all profoundly affected. Upon arousal, dopamine is released, not only in the capacity of motivating you, as would be the impetus for wanting to grab that needle of heroin, but you are biologically rewarded just for the mere image of arousal!
Then sexual stimulation occurs, and opioid facilitated reward begins, as even more dopamine is released.
Finally, it culminates in orgasm. The final reward is there. Endogenous opioid peptides suddenly flood the brain, the love hormone oxytocin for bonding is released which also signals the conversion of T to DHT, 5-HT increases, and the anti-dopamine hormone prolactin rises sharply, gonadotropin inhibitory hormone is released, and that is just scratching the surface.
Prolactin has antagonistic effects on dopamine transmission which leaves you feeling lazy and spent, and while the refractory period lasts a mere 5 or 10 minutes, the elevated prolactin continues to exert adverse effects elsewhere in the brain, for upwards of 16+ hours.

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If you are able to quit, you will find remarkable benefits. Most notably, you'll notice what most would find paradoxical--- LESS sexual urges, and less sexual thoughts. Furthermore, you'll have what seems like a limitless well of motivation. Before I successfully achieved abstinent states, I would buy book after book but ultimately would never read any of them because my motivational pathways were wasted on sexual-persuits and the prolactin rebound that followed essentially kneecapped and destroyed any genuine motivation to read. Make no mistake, I did read but my friend, it required discipline and that is a recipe for both misery and mediocrity. You see, this is how most individuals go about their worthless lives--- all learning is a hassle, all work is bothersome, anything that requires effort is just an obstacle that gets in their way of hedonistic indulgence. They spend 95% of their waking hours frustrated just so they can have a bit of concentrated pleasure in between. That is no way to live.
The difficulty lies in the overcoming the strong habit (the thing that has the most permanency) at your point which makes abstinence seem all but impossible.

I will go on to explain what happens behind the scenes with a past post of mine. You asked about permanent damage, so I focused on the habitual aspect. I will now detail the neurochemical/hormonal/physiological cost of sexual release, and how ceasing release can be of tremendous benefit.

Even becoming aroused is detrimental as it induces hypofrontality so that you cannot sit down and debate whether this opportunity to mate is a good idea, at least what your body thinks is mating. This has an evolutionary basis because if we sat around thinking about the merits of engaging in sex, then, humans may have long ago gone extinct. This isn't an endorsement of it, no the opposite! It is a sign that we need to overcome this innate limitation instead of accepting it, and the only way to succeed is to prevent it from unfolding in the first place.

Sexual arousal induces hypofrontality, impairing working memory and executive performance:
>Pornographic picture processing interferes with working memory performance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23167900

>Sexual Arousal Decreases the Functional Synchronization Between Cortical Areas in Young Men
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0092623X.2012.665815?journalCode=usmt20

>The Impact of Sexual Arousal on Sexual Risk-Taking and Decision-Making in Men and Women.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26310879

Adverse effects of sexual excess on the brain:

>Brain structure and functional connectivity associated with pornography consumption: the brain on porn.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871202
Shows a loss of gray matter in the right caudate of the striatum from pornography indulgence.


Literally stronger than drug urges:
>Craving Responses to Methamphetamine and Sexual Visual Cues in Individuals With Methamphetamine Use Disorder After Long-Term Drug Rehabilitation.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29725310/
"that sexual demand might be more robust than drug demand"

Failure begins with a single image, single thought, single line of text that you read.

If you use Instagram, delete it.
If you use Facebook, delete it.
If you absolutely must use Facebook, then you need to install FB Purity and block the entire feed and block all the junk that appears on the left and right.

The biggest thing to do when quitting is to AD BLOCK ALL IMAGES on sites with sexually arousing photos.
It is impossible to be abstinent and have thumbnails enabled on this website.
Use filters:
___________

4chan.org/*
4channel.org/*
____________
Enable thread watcher to use catalog. You can still open images if you want to, just control click the file name, and it will open in a new tab. Press control + tab to cycle through them quickly.

Melodic Music stimulates prefrontal transmission. Listen to music as you are quitting masturbation/sex. It helps immensely with putting your mind in the right place.

Last bit of advice is to have a deliberateness to internet browsing instead of aimlessly looking at the web as a source of frivolous entertainment. Use as a means, and not an end. It is a tool, a valuable one when used correctly. It is a shame that something that offered so much potential has been reduced into an instant gratification factory, appealing to the most base and primal aspects of us.

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the fuck are these tldr posts OP just read [anything] a lot, or do other activities if you're really against watching porn that much

>>12353462
>>12353467
>>12353475
>>12353486
>>12353495
based and chastepilld

Quit cold turkey

>>12353510
>bruh, just stop watching porn
>bruh, just stop being depressed
>bruh, just stop drinking alcohol
>bruh, just stop smoking crack
>bruh, just stop shitposting on 4channel

>>12353510
(additionally I don't find anything wrong with it, but I don't think I've ever been addicted to it, jacking off to it max 2x per day, typically (when without gf))

>ywn cuddle and fall asleep with varg
why live bros?

The Virile Powers if Superb Manhood - How Developed, How Lost: How Regained
by Bernarr A. MacFadden

- Science Discovers the Physiological Value of Continence
- Plain Facts for Old and Young

Older and crude but at least they weren't written by brainlets.

Do not browse nofap at all, or think of abstinence as "nofap". On Nofap, they use sexually inflammatory language which only serves to induce failure; if examined, they're just low IQ people looking to switch out the hand for a vagina. I've had both and the cost of sexual release is debilitating no matter the mechanism. The reason why everyone only has 1 or 2 day "streaks" there is because they do not take it seriously and use sexually charged verbs and nouns when speaking of these organs which serves to aroused and turns into prolonged horniness which defeats the entire point of abstinence in the first place.

>>12353451
The true /lit/ way is to castrate yourself like those Buddhist monks.

>>12353655
Excerpt from, and advice I found valuable from Plain Facts for Old and Young

>>12353623
of*

I found Confessions by St. Augustine to be very useful even though I don't believe in God. :(

>>12353475
>become a better man
>get a devoted qt gf
>fall in love
>never want to look at another woman again

>>12353744
meant for op

>>12353744
Except the most religious guy I know struggles with lust

>>12353744
Get married before intercourse.

These antisex anti masturbation posters are beyond sad.

Imagine having such an unhealthy relationship with sexual pleasure you need to create trite copypastas and link scientific studies to justify why you were addicted to porn and never had sex

>>12353467
>Endocrinology and neuroscience show that shy of drugs, no other action affects the body so much, so suddenly--- hormones, neurotransmitters, are all profoundly affected.

Increase your booze and tobacco consumption (the drugs of choice for the cultivated man of letters) to replace pornography.

>dude sex is bad lmao

>>12353779
Yeah OP here, I'm not going to be celibate. The main reason I want to cut down on porn is to have more motivation to get pussy.

>>12353786
it is, if you're not having any ;)

I watch porn and jerk off 6-12 times a week do I have a problem?

>>12353792
How would reading a book help with that? The solution is pretty clear. Instead of staying in at night and watching porn and jerking it until you're red raw, go out and meet people?

Or, even easier, just go on the multitudes of dating (hookup) apps available and harpoon yourself a whale.

As long as you present yourself nicely and have even a modicum of charisma, people will fuck you.

>>12353798
Does it affect other ways in which you live you life?

>>12353814
my pelvic floor hurts

>>12353814

Not really besides aggressively trying to convince my girlfriend to let me bust on her tits and other porno type shit.

This competition about sex is just bad for me, i want to be naive and don't care about other people having sex or whatever, i just want to be stupid and not think about it at all, it may be more intelligent to just don't care but it seems im waay too stupid so i care

How can I cope with the fact that everyone is having sex and fapping and doing sexual shit, feeling each other even in a metaphysical thought plane and I just can't and shouldn't do it because it makes me feel bad? I feel any second im not having sex is a second im being cucked by time and everything

The only way to cope with this is having faith in God, but man, it's hard

>>12353825
Then I doubt it's a problem empirically. The time spent jerking it could obviously be spent in other ways but that's up to you to determine its value.

>>12353786
sex isn't bad but watching porn definitely warps the mind

>>12353837
throw that 2000 year old fantasy out the window and get some pussy lad

you're only young once

>>12353842
porn can also give you new perspective on how people fuck

my gf and i do positions that i only would have ever learnt from porn

>>12353845
The devil says, clasping his hands

>>12353845

Thing is, i can't, i have waay many too responsabilities and i can't live my life young, and it's things that are definitely good and bring me joy, so i don't want to stop doing them

My time is used caregiving an elder, studying and working, so i don't have time at all, but none of those endeavours are painful because they bring me meaning

>>12353837
Chastity is the highest ideal.
The carnal are being cucked by their primitive brain. They literally cannot go without sex or masturbation, even if they try, they dwell on sex all the time and fail to practice it mentally.

>>12353842
All sexual releases are detrimental and invariably result in habituation.

>>12353869
chastity is bluepilled, kill fuck die

>>12353869
lmfao at this virgin couldnt get any pussy so pretends to be high and mighty
>>12353880
so is shitposting on 4chan but you still do that right

>>12353881
>kill fuck die

>>12353851
sure thing shlomo

>>12353890
you gotta think like a primate, boy. a man's core competences are destroying skulls and penetrating holes with his throbbing cock, you should reconnect with your male nature.

>>12353910
God didn't give you free-will to act like one of the animals you have dominion over.

>>12353910
Except the sedentary lifestyle of modern man, with constant bombardment of sexual stimuli is what causes the excesses of our day. There is such a thing as maladaptive sexual behavior and if man had perverted his sex drive to such an extent as it is today, it would have threatened his very survival (humans evolved for quality over quantity, with small womb sizes, so maximizing reproductive chances is not worth the detriment when say compared to a rabbit).

>Of all members of the mammalian family, civilized man alone is a victim of an exaggerated and morbid sexual urge, a condition which he has inflicted, to a certain extent, on the animals which he has domesticated and which have adopted his diet, especially the dog. Wild animals in a state of nature practice copulation only at certain mating seasons for the purpose of reproduction. Civilized man practices this act at all times, and in most cases without intention to conceive. On the other hand, so-called savages and primitive races leading more natural lives and who follow their natural instincts to a greater extent are far chaste in their sexual behavior, as noted by Havelock Ellis. Such considerations must lead one to the conclusion that the sex life of civilized men is unnatural and that the excessive manifestation of the sex urge among them is due to certain aphrodisiacal stimuli rather than to natural instinct; among such stimuli are a high-protein meat diet (accompanied by physical inactivity), the use of tobacco, alcohol and coffee, sexually stimulating literature, dramas, motion pictures, conversation, etc. For these reasons civilized man has departed from the natural law, obeyed by animal and primitive races, which requires the separation of the sexes during pregnancy and lactation, for the benefit of both mother and child. Violation of this law may account for the large number of physically and mentally defective offspring produced by civilized races as compared with animals and primitive peoples.

>>12353702
Asceticism without spiritual apotheosis in mind will get you nowhere.

>>12353555
What do I do with my hours of free time then?

>>12354047
smoke weed to calm your dickrage

>>12354050
>trading one vice for another

>>12353451
How do you even get addicted to porn in the first place? Don't you have better shit to do with your life? I think about fucking like 3% of the time I'm awake. Maybe you shouldn't be addressing the addiction but the cause of it, which is obviously the massive nihilistic hole in your life.

>>12354059
OP here and you're right. I just don't know how to fill that hole.

>>12353910
based and primalpilled

>>12353837
it's time you realised that pre-marital sex is only condemned in the Bible because of mistranslations and that in certain situations it actually condones intercourse outside of wedlock.

>>12354096
Can you cite some verses and the translation? I'm genuinely interested.

>>12354071
Too high of risk aversion creates stagnation in life. You need to start taking risks in your life again. That isn't an instruction to go do something that could potentially get you killed, but at least start thinking about the things you normally avoid doing and consider trying some of them to change things up in your life a bit.

>>12354096

I don't seek woman because i feel pleasure isn't meaningful for pleasure sake, and i feel my time is better spent caregiving my loved ones, but still the FOMO is real in this age, i just feel my flesh wanting it and i know that it's all smokes

I'm also certain that it will make me more undesirable in the long run but i still feel that changing my caregiver endeavour for some potential pussy in the future or pussy right now is just wrong, i may even don't get it and miss potential joyful times with my loved ones that may die soon (or may not, i just don't know)

>>12354102
>>12354096
He's wrong—Ancient Greek porneia refers to all sexual immorality, many contend even masturbation, even lusting. The original translation is even more restrictive than the term fornication.

>>12354102
If you read through the Bible, you'll find that most passages condemning sex outside of marriage relate to damage to the woman as property. If you take the virginity of a woman, she is worth less to the father and so the Bible says that the man must pay the father for the damage he has caused. Those kind of passages are what makes up 99% of the Bible's passages on the topic.

>"If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her, he shall give the bride-price for her and make her his wife. If her father utterly refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the bride-price for virgins.
>If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver.

The argument that pre-marital sex is a sin in the New Testament largely comes from a mistranslation of "Pornei" as "fornication" instead of "sexual immorality", which is a much closer meaning.
1 Corinthians 7:2 is often cited here.
>Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
If you use the more accurate translation, the passage takes on a very different meaning. Sexual immorality is generally linked to acts like incest, sex with divorced men or women, adultery (once again relating to women as property), beastiality, and homosexual intercourse. Some people argue that the word does include all sexual acts outside of wedlock, but this argument never has held much weight to me.

1 Corinthians 6:12-17 is also often cited in arguments against pre-marital sex. It's important to read that in light of its context, however. Paul was specifically criticising the Temples of Corinth, where prostitution was occurring as part of pagan worship. Nothing was said about prostitution generally, which was widespread throughout Israel.

The Bible is rife with examples of sex outside of the confines of marriage. For example, Ruth seduces Boaz and sleeps with him in order to convince him to marry her and secure the safety of herself and Naomi. The Bible frames this positively.

>>12354180
That doesn't come from Greeks though, that comes from Semites. So he is half-right.

>>12353451
Pictured is the book which really helped me realise the reasons for my addiction(No More Mr. Nice Guy).

I also read Your Brain On Porn, by Gary Wilson, which helped me understand the science behind porn addiction.

>>12354200
The cover of that book turns me off so much.

>>12354197
>That doesn't come from Greeks though, that comes from Semites.
The New Testament was written in Ancient Greek and was the lingua franca of its day (especially in terms of written correspondence).
>>12354192
Sexual immorality includes and extends beyond fornication, and clearly included it, as reflected in nearly all the writings of the Early Church fathers. Imagine being such a subjective "t-the definition is what I want it to be" brainlet that you extrapolate from the NIV translation of the Greek.

>>12353574
>bruh watching porn is the same as hard drugs

>>12354255
I would argue it has higher addiction potential due to being free and easy to access but lower consequences of addiction.

>>12353955
>God didn't give you free-will
True

>>12354249
Not him, but what is the argument for it being immoral?

>>12354249
The New Testament being written in Greek doesn't mean it came from members of the Greek race.

>>12353655
want to agree with the message in the pic but what about goethe?

>>12353655
Why the fuck are you trying to live up to the standards of intellectual geniuses? They didn't practice an ascetic lifestyle, they were ascetic by instinct. If you don't realize that, you could end up destroying your life.

>>12354192
>For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor, not in the passion of lust like the Gentiles who do not know God
1 Thessalonians 4:3-5

>But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matthew 5:28

The bible is pretty clear on its stance against premarital sex and sexual deviancy. It is a sin, and to argue against it being such is to disregard the word of God.

>>12354357
>sexual immorality
It's those words again

>adultery
as relating to intercourse with a married woman

>>12354357
The Biblical God is alien to this life. Not worth listening to except if you're in the business of making yourself a bit more divine, which is of course an Antichristian thing to do.

>>12354376
god BTFO epic style

>>12354255
Pornography habit and masturbation are worse than hard drugs. Opiates were never as psychologically alluring and the urge to take them or to smoke cigarettes or take any drug for that matter, never undermined my ability to deny it, as is the case with sexuality which induces a hypofrontality by design outside of any reinforcement. Pornography and sexual excess are worse for the mind than hard drugs, and ruin your mind, making you a dick for a brain and all your goals sex-centered. I'd rather have been an opiate addict in my teenage years than have suffered through sexual excesses. Pornography, masturbation, and even recreational sex made me mediocre and a fraction of the person I could have been at the time and cutting out these habits took grueling effort, more than any drug as the reward for it actually begins the moment arousal begins, which can be conjured at a whim, giving you little time or ability to deny or prevent the process from unfolding. It might not kill you acutely, but it will rob you of your autonomy and your dreams over life.

>>12354376
>It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.
Sophistry, the post.

>>12353656
>have to cut their dicks off because they know they couldnt practice what they preach
what a bunch of hacks

>>12353451
find something else to do, chasteposter is a retard.

>>12354437

How'd you escape it?

>>12354969
Ceasing all video consumption and use first and foremost. This is poison to your subconscious and affects dreams. Thereafter, limited myself to static pictures and once a day. Make this a resolute rule. Permanently no script and ad block the hell out of pornography websites, on phone and internet.

The next step is cultivating a schedule and adhering to it so you can better plan your day. This was very difficult for me initially, as before I would wake up late, and go to bed unplanned.

Attempting abstinence whenever arousal subsided (very limited window) is the next step, one that I failed repeatedly. My advice is to recognize what led up to it, where you were at, and take steps to alter your enviroment so it does not happen again. When you lapse from a successful state, the common advice is to pretend nothing happens and keep on going. This is bad advice that ignores that the body has a hormonal rebound; there is no sense in fighting it, as you'll just think abstinence is impossible, so accept that you'll be stuck doing this for at least another week. My advice is to again limit it to once a day and do not binge. Realize that this is temporary and you will be able to find a window to quit again soon.

The most crucial action you need to take is to take steps to remove sexual stimuli from your enviroment. Even a random thumbnail on 4chan is a cause for failure. Likewise, you need to adjust your thoughts and where your mind is going. See this post >>12353495

There's literally nothing wrong with porn. If you become addicted you have some other kind of underlying problem and you're trying to fill a void, don't blame porn for everything wrong in your life retards.

>>12354044
>apotheosis
Gnosticism is larping. Attain Theosis by submission to God

>>12354381
>which is of course an Antichristian thing to do.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis_(Eastern_Christian_theology)

>>12353451
It's weird. I was heavily addicted to porn. But one day it just stopped working for me. I just was looking at /gif/ out of boredom. I couldn't even get hard. I don't have a problem getting an errection. But I think if you just think about how dumb porn is. You will gradually lose interest.

>>12355204
It might not be the end of the world. I have a hunch though. That it might hurt ambitions. I mean sex is the highest goal. And you have it so easy acess. It must be damaging in some capacity.

>>12355204

>>12355204
Theres literraly nothing wrong with murder. XD

>>12355382
>I mean sex is the highest goal

>>12355470
gtfo anon. It is.

>>12355476
Why has every great civilization and religious tradition had such a focus on asceticism then?

>>12355204
>There's literally nothing wrong with herioin. If you become addicted you have some other kind of underlying problem and you're trying to fill a void, don't blame heroin for everything wrong in your life retards.

>>12353451
Porn is so boring, though, at least the vast majority of it. I don't understand how people get turned on by some mainstream American porn, with all those annoying tattooed whores and fake tits and niggers...

>>12355487
Humans are complex creatures. We not only breed but we also have some time to think. It's only because sex is such a fundamental thing that these movements formed in reaction to it. Anon are you really gonna deny that the urge to reproduce is not fundamental to the human conditon. It's blatantly obvious.

>>12355488
chemical and psychological adictions aren't comparable, brainlet-san
But even then, yes, people become addicts for a lack of a support network that would had kept them away from it and without the need for the feeling it provides. Most people here never had to question if they wanted or not heroin, it wasn't a part of their life because of the people around them.

>>12355550
>Anon are you really gonna deny that the urge to reproduce is not fundamental to the human conditon.
I never said that. I said that sex is not the highest goal. It is a high goal and must be sought by the majority of a population for that population to survive but I think there are more lofty goals and more worthwhile struggles than getting your dick wet

Porn addiction is a result of not doing anything in your life. Get out of your house. A reading lifestyle doesnt help.

>>12355567
Honestly it's a bit hard to communicate through writing sometimes. Unless you are super articulate and take the time to really flesh out what you want to say. So a lot of times people are just talking past each other. But I would say in response. That for the vast majority of people that reproduction would be the highest goal. I suppose others can pick a different goal.

how much of a pathetic zoomer you have to be to become a porn addict. You are weak. You are physically and mentally weak, you are weak willed.
You don't need to live without your two legs or work as a slave in some chink company, you need only not open a website and touch your penis.
Consider this. You can't even accomplish this retarded task.
And why the fuck you faggots keep posting this retard? No wonder you can't achieve shit, you follow a mongoloid that has as his only achievements a murder and some burned church. I seriously don't get the appeal of this faggot.
For real now, if you can't leave your penis alone for 5 days seriously contemplate suicide.


GET THE FUCK OUT OF YOUR ROOM YOU DISGRACE TO THE HUMAN RACE. IF YOU SIT LOCKED UP 18H A DAY IN YOUR ROOM WITH INTERNET YOU WILL OBVIOUSLY JACK OFF. LEAVE YOUR HOUSE AND WALK FOR 6 HOURS STRAIGHT WITH NOTHING BUT YOUR CLOTHES, LEAVE YOUR CELLPHONE AT HOME.
FAGGOT. PEOPLE AT YOUR AGE A WHILE BACK WERE TAKING SHRAPNEL TO THE ASS IN EUROPE AND YOU CAN'T STOP WATCHING TWO STRANGERS FUCKING.BLIMEY, THAT'S HILARIOUS!
YOU ARE CONSUMING A DISGUSTING PRODUCT MADE BY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT CARE FOR YOU BUT WANT YOUR MONEY. YOU ARE LITERALLY A MALE WATCHING ANOTHER MALE FUCK (IN YOUR MIND, YOUR) FEMALE. YOU ARE A KEK BY CHOICE. PATHETIC!
JESUS.

>>12355657
This is good advice, thank you for keepin it real, boomerposter

>>12355657
amen

>>12355657
>BLIMEY, THAT'S HILARIOUS!

I made it 34 days porn free and then relapsed.
It really felt like a speedball for a good minute. Got really warm and euphoric. Fapped 3 times last night and this morning again.

Fuck this shit.

>>12355578
>>12355657
>DUDE, how weak are you to be a porn addict
>btw, it is the result of not doing anything, if I was alone for 18 hours a day, I, I mean, y-you "YOU WILL OBVIOUSLY JACK OFF", this isn't a reflection of my own lack of self control and addiction, hehe, the fact that I have other things in my life getting in the way of my addiction is proof that I am not addicted, I sure proved this thread wrong

>>12355972
i'm one of the guys you replied to, I'm on vacation from uni and don't have a job yet, I spend all day at home except for 2h at the gym. I haven't masturbated in 30 days without any problems. I also have consistently read 100 pages a day this last couple of weeks.

>>12355561
Pornography/masturbation is worse than opiates. I've heavily used both at times. Opiates are easy to quit, and the urge to take them originates from me, and the urge itself was able to be disrupted without consequence. Sexual, you need to go out of your way to prevent the urge from arising in the first place to successfully beat it, not to mention the reward you get from viewing stimuli is partly instantaneous and the most rewarding part is literally attached to your body. The accessibility, instinctual aspect, sheer pleasure of it, and evolutionary mechanisms to ensure its execution makes it HELL to get rid of, especially after it is reinforced.
I quit this for weeks at a time as a teenager without problem. Even early college, it could be done easily. With age, the chains of habit solidified. Most people ARE ensnared by this whether they want to admit it or not, they, as I've done in the past, merely swapped the hand for a vagina. They're still addicted to habitual sexual release and the fruit of it is overwhelming mediocrity. Even "successful" people of today are incredibly mediocre at how they go about their days and life.

>>12355249
I'm not talking about theosis. Rather, I'm talking about making yourself God.

>>12356014
>>12355972
and by the way, when you fill your day with meaningful activities, it does not happens the way you are implying, that one is on a constant urge. I'm not working right now but I was last year while also studying and although I was not avoiding masturbation or even porn for that matter, I didn't feel like masturbating at all because I didn't have a lot of time, the little time I had I'd choose to exercise, read or watch a movie instead of masturbating.
The cliché turns out to be true, the idle mind is the devil's playground or however it is in english.

This should have been the first reply

>>12356105
Varg didn't grow up with high speed videos accessible with a single click in a culture that openly accepted it and glorified it as healthy. Urge for release become so strong that many people think it is a necessity.

>>12356123
It doesn't take a 200 IQ not to click a button. Anybody who thinks that is a fucking retard and anyone who is influenced by them is a subhuman. Its simple as that

>>12355972
cope more, degenerate. i go weeks without feeling the urge to jack off because i have other things on my mind.

>>12356123
I grew up with that though and don't have a problem, and so did millions of other people who are doing quite well for themselves today.

>>12355488
it might be true for you, but in general porn addicts don't overdose on semen.

>>12356071
The problem here is the parents, not the child, which the picture wrongly suggests.

>>12356317
Based retard

>>12356356
Don't have children, because you obviously don't understand a thing about child-rearing.

>>12353451
You can start with not posting a faggot like Louis Cachet.

>>12356391
Truly based, you told that comic

>>12353792
>Needing more motivation to get pussy
Stop putting it on a pedestal. It really isn't that great, it's not even the best way another person could pleasure you.
Seriously, stop telling yourself you need motivation to get laid; if you want it, go and get it; if not, stop trying to trick yourself into wanting it and go read a book.

>>12353779

If you so desperately want to stay in the hell of your own making, feel free to do so.

>>12356225
Examining the harm of the drug on OD risk alone is nothing more than a straw man; it does not change the fact that the insatiable drive for pleasure is driving the behavior, and is quite equatable to pornography in the previous analogy, and indeed one could be successfully "functional" opioid addict.
The point still stands.

Nonetheless, you're low IQ and a retard if you overdose on opiates in this day and age. First, it shows you cannot obtain a prescription/ or source and then test them for impurities. Second, it shows that you are too stupid to understand concepts like tolerance and respiratory depression which can be ascertained with a simple internet search. Third, roughly half of opioid related deaths are from acetaminophen toxicity, again relating to user error. Most of the people who OD'd from them are generally unintelligent scum who in many cases had a death wish to begin with. This is not an endorsement to take them but merely pointing out the line that opioid addiction will result in death is fallacious and shows that you are medically and pharmacologically ignorant.

>HERR DURR B-BUT PORN/MASTURBATION WONT KILL YOU
It will rob you of your energy and vigor for life and make you a fraction of the person you could have been. Being a slave to sexual release for the rest of your days, lacking true autonomy over self, is a fate worse than death. The more you gratify it, the stronger it grows. You want to know why most people abandon their dreams? They live under the yoke of the sexual instinct which dominates their life, and even if satiated, leaves them apathetic, unmotivated and lackluster.
Lastly, many people have dropped dead in the heat of sexual passion too, so if I was intellectually dishonest, I could stretch that to conclude likewise.

>>12355114

Have you been doing cold showers? They work pretty well for me when I've failed in some way.

Bro science isn't real science

>people are actually still following for the anti-porn trolls

You know this was started on /s4s/ right?

>>12356491
Cold showers are excellent during the summer months. I was remiss not to have mentioned them. They were extremely valuable during my early attempts at abstinence. I just have not been taking them for ages and they have not been on my mind. Lower ambient temperature is another good strategy (keep the thermostat low).

>>12356496
Neither is psychology and social """sciences""" so its all we got

All great writers are sex addicts

>>12356523
Name 3

Uh uh uhhhh.... yeah thats the stuff... just splooged a phat lode out to sum nice porn baybee FUCK that norweigan hoe

>>12356523
>All
>addicts
More like "Many" and "lovers." Then I can agree.

>>12354437
You must be memeing but you've never been hooked by hard drugs, mate. You can't compare the two. Opiates, alcohol or benzo's withdrawal symptoms are absolutely no joke. Pure hell, physical and mental. At worst porn withdrawal would be comparable to weed (insomnia, nervousness, anxiety, thinking about it all the time) if all your friends smoked constantly

>>12356506
The value of semen conservation predates the internet and was practiced by the best examples of Humans to have ever walked the face of the Earth from Pythagoras to Plato, to Plotinus to Rufus to Church Fathers to dozens of Renaissance figures, to Newton, to Kant to Tesla, countless hundreds if not thousands of physicians such as Galan, Brown-Séquard, even Freud (most ironic!). This long predates the internet and nofap and was practiced

I never went to S4S and am primarily, almost exclusively a /lit/ poster.

Celibacy/semen conservation has a rich history. You are a product of a hypersexualized, modern time, living a sedentary lifestyle compared to your ancestors with stimuli and superstimuli abounding everywhere, that has rotted your mind and habituated you to such an extent that you cannot conceive of possibly going without release and your only thought in response is that it has to be some troll. It isn't.
Sexual abstinence is a treasure, more valuable than any drug. It unlocks the higher faculties of the mind and makes flow states a daily occurrence.

>>12356563
Perhaps you're just weak. I weathered the withdrawals and have suffered much worse in life.
Regardless, I explicitly noted the 'psychological allure' and 'urge' rather than the withdrawal as what makes sexual urges such a fickle thing to combat. The hell of withdrawal matters not if you can deny future use again with ease. The sexual urge in contrast, your executive functioning is kneecapped and the desire to indulge is infinitely stronger (especially many years or decade into the sexual habit).

>>12356484
A blunt knife is still safer to handle than a sharp one, regardless of you intelligence.

>>12356571
>and was practiced by the best examples of Humans to have ever walked the face of the Earth
See >>12354351

No true ascetic ever "practiced" asceticism. If you aren't cut out for it, you'll ruin yourself. You need to understand how to first become someone naturally inclined towards asceticism.

>>12356653
A blunt knife is actually more dangerous because it can't cut as easily and needs more force applied which can cause slippage, causing one to be chop off a finger or stab themselves. As the chef on Yan Can Cook says, "A sharp knife, is a safe knife!"

>>12356653
Actually blunt knives pose more danger to skilled people than sharp ones because they require more force to use and therefore greater threat of injury

Literally the dumbest analogy you could make here

>>12353451
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/02/hes_just_not_that_into_anyone.html

>>12356660

This is according to what exactly? Nobody said that that particular path isn't difficult, and asceticism entails chastity, but not the other way around. You can be a chaste person and live out in the world with everyone else.

>Why, yes, I practice strict sexual continence, how could you tell?

>>12356744
>This is according to what exactly?
Reality. No one has ever truly adopted a higher lifestyle that they were not first instinctively cut out for without making some severe sacrifices to their own sanity and physical health along the way. You have to prepare yourself and change what is instinctive to you.

>>12353451
I'm with OP

I've been watching porn since 9 and now I'm 21 and can't stop. Masturbation it's a drug. I often (in my teenage years) denied social activities because I just wanted to be in my room, and in my room, after reading just some pages of some random book, I watch porn over and over. I feel that I lost my teenage years because of porn and social anxiety.

I downloaded gigabytes of porn everyday, and not even watched everything I downloaded, just for the pleasure of searching the best porn and downloading it.
When I got a girlfriend (you could called a virtual girlfriend, she was living in another city) my porn addiction has stopped, but just beacuse my girl was giving me love and attention, and motivating me to be better. When I was with her, I wrote my novel everyday, I drew everyday and read a lot everyday.

Now 3 years later, I'm alone and can't write or draw or even read for a long period of time beacuse my mind keeps taking me to sex and porn. My creativity is dying.

Porn and masturbation is a problem, and call someone an Idiot because of that addiction is like calling a heroin addict or alcoholic an idiot. We are the same shit nothing more or less.

Now here I am, fighting against the urge of seeing some blonde with huge fat fake tits screaming of pleasure.

I've never kissed. Never fucked. And I'm starting to feel that I'm destroying all my relationships because of my abstinence. My mind is kinda numb.

But hey, at least when I feel the urge of masturbation I start writing my book and this kinda helps. My mind gets occupied.


By the way
>>12353495
>>12353655
>>12353702
>>12353806
Thanks for the advice

>>12356818
Be fortunate you recognize the harm of this and are making effort to quit while your brain is still neuroplastic. It becomes infinitely harder to alter habit as your 20s progresses.
A decade? That's not that bad all things considered. You can reverse this. Try reading books from your childhood before the habit started if you can remember any. This is to try to salvage existing connections from whenever your default mode network had yet to have sexual habits occupying a large portion of it.

>>12356525
Joyce, Nabokov, Pynchon, DFW, the Greeks

>All these zoomers going through their first "self improvement" phase

>>12356571
don't forget our boy nieztsche. from his notes: “The reabsorption of semen by the blood is the strongest nourishment and, perhaps more than any other factor, it prompts the stimulus of power, the unrest of all forces toward the overcoming of resistances, the thirst for contradiction and resistance. The feeling of power has so far mounted highest in abstinent priests and hermits"

>>12356660
cut it out, friend.
See also muhammed ali. He anedoctally learned about another fighter that practiced retention when he was competing and also started doing it. He didn't stop to think if he was cut out to it or not, he saw it worked and he did it

>>12356882
Great Advice Anon, Thanks. I'll try reading some of my old books. I remember the first book I read when I was 8.

Oh and something that's helping me and could help someone else is: Seeing a picture of something that reminds you to be better than this. Put this picture everywhere. It could be a picture that it hurts you, like an ex girlfriend or someone you loved that passed away.
In my case i've been putting a picture of my ex girlfriend smiling everywhere even knowing that we don't talk anymore and she's with another guy. Seeing her remembers me of the time I lost the interest in porn.

>>12356937
Joyce is the only one there I'd describe as having an unusual fascination with sex. The others are just regular men

>>12356937
>the Greeks
t. never read the greeks.

>>12356979
DFW once said he felt like it was his life mission to have sex with as many women as possible. And the writer of Gravity's Rainbow has to have been some kind of a pervert

>>12356984
Have you? Pretty much every story centres around sex. Why do you think Achilles was mad about or why they were fighting in Troy in the first place. Not to mention Zeus impregnating every living thing in sight.

>>12356960
>he saw it worked and he did it
Muhammad Ali isn't the average person. It worked for him because he was already cut out for it.

You can't rush perfection. You need to be bred for it. Proper nourishment and patience are key to all agriculture. All wise men have known this.

>>12356989
>DFW once said he felt like it was his life mission to have sex with as many women as possible
Like I said, a regular man

>>12357006
The regular man watches porn on the regular

>>12357016
Maybe but it makes the observation that """all""" writers are sex addicts a mundane proposal by using that standard

>>12357027
Well yeah but thats what OP is complaining about. He wishes men were even less sex obsessed than the regular person.

One of the disciples of Socrates asked his teacher, "My Venerable Master, kindly instruct me how many times a house-holder can have copulation with his legal wife?"
Socrates replied, "Only once in his life time."
The disciple said," By Zeus! This is absolutely impossible for worldly men. Pray, kindly prescribe an easy path."
Then Socrates said, "A house-holder can have copulation once in a year."
The disciple replied, "O Venerable Sir, this is also a hard job for them. You must prescribe an easier course."
Socrates then replied, "Well, my dear disciple, once in a month. This is suitable. This is quite easy. I think you are satisfied now."
The disciple said, "This also is impossible, my revere master. Householders are very fickle-minded. Please prescribe an easier course."
Socrates said, "Twice in a month. But this will cause an early death."
The disciple said, "This also is impossible, for they cannot remain for a single day without sexual intercourse."
Then Socrates- said, "Well said, my dear child. Do one thing now: Dig a grave and purchase a coffin and winding sheet for the corpse before hand. Now you can spoil yourself any number of times you like. This is my final advice to you."

>>12357031
Sure but the nature of a society at a given time has to be considered when measuring any person in it. DFW and even Pynchon weren't unusual in their focus on sex and pornography (DFW is arguably tame compared to many other writers in his era)

>>12356960
Pic related
>>12356996
>reading the stories and not the philosophers

>>12357042
Why Socrates said copulation would cause an early death? Sorry I didn't get

>>12355578
I don’t think this is true. I think the large majority of young males have an urge to bust a nut: porn makes doing that easy but it puts you into an addictive cycle.

>actually attempting to abstain
lmao

just jerk off without the use of porn

>>12357311
Yeah
I'm trying to do this before stopping to jerk off

But the problem now is that I can't have an orgasm without porn

Not op btw

>>12357375
What about using your imagination? Surely if you've viewed a lot of porn over the years some standouts may be fused into your minds eye

>>12356507
>Cold showers are excellent during the summer months. I was remiss not to have mentioned them. They were extremely valuable during my early attempts at abstinence. I just have not been taking them for ages and they have not been on my mind. Lower ambient temperature is another good strategy (keep the thermostat low).
Why is this? Just simple willpower due to discomfort?

>>12353451
Unironically the Culture of Critique. Porn is a weapon being used by your enemy.

>Dude, porn and masturbation are not vices or addictions.
Every person who says this should just abstain from them for a month to prove their point, it's not like you need them to live.

>>12357311
>>12357375
Or just get a girlfriend.

>>12357401
I'm trying that dude, but my brain finds it easier to see than to imagine.

Is the same ideia when you read a book and see a movie of the book, a movie is already chewed.

Anyway I'll keep trying, it's hard but I'll overcome this shit.

>>12357502
Trying to get a gf as well. The good thing is when I started to left porn I became more sociable. Hopefully I'll get a gf soon.

Tractatus logicos-philosophicus

>>12353451
Overcome yourself. Not to judge but there's something pathetic about being addicted to porn. Like, if you had things going on your life with some value and meaning to it, you wouldn't have to visit bigtittedteensluts.com every day or whatever.

Porn is like a drug, sure, but I don't think masturbating can be likened the same way.
Porn is always bad for you because it creates unrealistic expectations and habitual pathways in your mind. Masturbating can be bad for you, but it can be okay as long as you don't A) Fap multiple times every day, and B) Cut it cold turkey and never touch your dick.

What I find pathetic is that the people spouting historical "sperm retention" are doing so themselves only to -maybe- get laid.

>>12357115
Ejaculation drains out your vitamins, increases your resting heart and breathing rate, destroys the vision. In one sentence - it ages the body prematurely

>>12357564
I, too, would rather lead a pleasure-less life and then die of prostate cancer.

There's no book for that just stop watching the damned thing

Is 25 too late? I started when I was 10 and the longest streak without masturbating was 10 days a few months ago. I once went about 6 months without porn, but still used erotica. I have a girlfriend who I live with, but we rarely have sex. Oh, and she's 31. I await your ridicule and pessimism.

>>12357680
Too late for what? To quit? No

>>12357735
To quit. To "rewire" my brain so that I'm not thinking about porn - and sex - quite so frequently.

>>12353510
>the fuck are these tl;dr posts
>he says on the book forum

>>12357564
So that's why I'm getting bald with 21 and the last hair I have is getting white

>>12357502
People with gfs will still look at porn dude

>>12357465
come off it fag, there was pornography within Roman society, its not always the Jews you nonce

>>12357747
Thinking about porn? Easily. Thinking about sex? In this fucking culture? Very difficult.

This is fucking pathetic, just stop watching porn. Have some self control. I saw my brother go through heroin withdrawal symptoms, and that was some seriously scarring shit. You're so weak willed you can't even stop yourself from jacking off. Pathetic.

>>12357927
Where is that Roman anal gape porn?

Pornography has become such a major social problem because our enemy, jews, are running it.

>>12357941
>>>/b/

>>12357980
Your self pity thread doesn't belong on /lit/ so it doesn't get a /lit/ response from me. Control yourself you beast

>>12358022
I'm not OP

>>12357953
Dumb american incel

It's so damn stressful. I can go for days off porn when I'm busy, outside or around people.

I shouldn't live such a reclusive life, I know it's not good.

>>12357575
This is a myth. Abstinence does not raise your risk for prostate cancer. In fact, it actually LOWERS it, especially for young men.


>Sexual activity and prostate cancer risk in men diagnosed at a younger age
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2008.08030.x

>Whereas frequent overall sexual activity in younger life (20s) increased the disease risk, it appeared to be protective against the disease when older (50s). Alone, frequent masturbation activity was a marker for increased risk in the 20s and 30s

>Prostate cancer mortality among Catholic priests.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7242091/

>>12357941
Cringe
See >>12354437 >>12356601 >>12356484

What does porn addiction mean? Like watching porn from morning to night?

I used to jerk off in the public washroom at my old job semi-regularly while watching porn. It was mostly for something to do though, wasn't fiending porno or anything.

>>12357927
>muh antique porn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DOvQvLhIcI

>>12358336
The inability to remain abstinent. Most people are addicted to sexual release whether they want to admit it or not.

>porn shills
>on my /lit/
raus

>>12358336
There are people who view porn almost 10 hours a day not even to masturbate, just to watch.

>>12353574
Shouldnt it be lim x->0 ?

Iim x->\infty would be 0.... i dunno whT they were goin for

>>12353451
Fuck you, OP. I was doing so good until I came across this thread. Now I have to fap again.

>>12358385
the susan sontag crowd that watches porn for its artistic value?

>>12358059
Nope and not an argument. Jews have used porn as a weapon for a long time as well. After they took over Gaza they pervaded the Palestinian airwaves with it to demoralize their enemy. The problem is not necessarily porn in and of itself, but the jews who use it as a weapon and are responsible for producing the most extreme and sick versions of it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/7ptlmw/porn_was_once_weaponized_by_israel_on_the/

>>12358399
No, addicts get the rush of dopamine from watching porn, not for the "artistic" value of it. And further more there is no artistic porn, I'm as open as anyone for sexuality and what not but artistic come off it

>>12358437
>porn can't be ar_

>>12358437
I discovered Met-art softcore when I was about 17, since then it's kinda part of my life. I'm not addicted to porn itself but rather to integral nudity like this. Met-art women are likely the most beautiful women on earth, if I have to masturbate watching something I always preferred watching pics like this and using fantasy-imagination.

>>12358416
>Molymeme phrase
>Incel forum
>Israel so all Jews are in on it

What a bastion of intellectual free rational thought you are

>>12358437
>>12358485
very nice

>>12358485
I think it's a good way to overcome porn seeing pictures like this.
First you stop with the porn and just look at pics and jerk off once a day. After a month you stop seeing pictures and start to jerk off once two days.
And after another month you fap once in four days.
Repeat until you stop jerking off