/lit/ - Literature

>>12337656
No. Ughh Girardfag needs to come back and make a proper thread for this again!!!

>>12337656
I actually read it ama

Bump

>x thread i guess
this pisses me off to no end

>>12337656
You didn't see the four other threads?
Yes, it's a meme.

>>12338808
A meme is going to deconstruct this meme?

>>12337656
My diary desu

>>12337656
it isn't a meme but your're not smart enough

OIL IS SENTIENT

>>12339429
BASED arab

>>12339429
That's Cyclonopedia, retard!

>>12338904
http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=63C72B29861211D98E749AAE2BE4DC05

>>12338861
why

>>12339514
cause he good

>>12339429

>>12339552
Could you elaborate on that? I have Fanged Noumena. I was asking what made you want to read it. Just saying he good doesn't tell me a lot.

>>12339558
I still don't get it

>>12339429
I had a conversation in a gondola once. Gondolas are a good place to have conversation; you're not commuting, but it's not an observation deck. It was me with a group of acquaintances, along with a mother and her 9yo child. The gondola got silent for a bit, and I managed to ask the question "do you ever wonder if oil is a sentient entity?". My first friend replied "Is oil a sentient entity? What the fuck? No.". The second replied "OK. Now you're trolling, I can tell this time". The third replied "Wait, this guy studied philosophy for three years, we should hear him out" (which, btw, is generally a bad reason to want to listen to someone). I said some things about oil being the dead bodies of a whole bunch of dinosaurs, a major catastrophe, corpses that have yet to give up their ghosts, verdant abundance that has been compacted down (by the machinations of Capital - the human hand that reaches into the invisible in order to unknowingly open wide the accursed coffin door) into this ultra-pure and pressured skeleton-juice. "But then why not sentient everything? Sentient animals and plants and stones?". "Ah, great question, because Americans have a deep seated anxiety over their energy security". My third friend apologizes to the mom and child for us being obnoxious. She laughs. I get drawn into a mini-conversation with the 9yo about videogames. He plays a lot of Fortnight. He said he didn't know what lootboxes were. I tell the mom that they're these randomized rewards that get kids used to gambling. I got a good "well huh" outta that one.

>>12339869
meanwhile everyone thinks you're an autistic sperg and are just nervously humoring you out of fear for your tard strength

Can someone explain rhett/cavetwitter to me without disintegrating into deleuzian escotericism or technobabble

>>12339584
I used my philosophy degree to eat a bunch of acid and read Hegel; this was the natural outcome.

>>12339923
Same

>>12339869

I said some things about oil being weird stuff that comes out from deep in the ground, tapping into the leftovers of a catastrophe that is so large that it is measured in geological time. 410,757,864,530 holocausts, by weight of burnt flesh. An ocean of dead dinosaur corpses that have yet to give up their ghosts. Verdant overabundance compacted down into ultrapure coffin-juice that can grant men omniscience, at the cost of an addiction that spreads like meningitis, from the inside out, a fresh healthy appearance that masks a bag of rot.

Once humans had their first taste of this liquid, the addiction consumed their entire civilization. We fight wars /over/ it, like jealous lovers. See, Smith has it all wrong. The invisible hand is really just humans reaching their hands into the invisible. Capital is the glove, the spirit is a bone. It is us, humans, that are doing this. To ourselves. The painful thought is that we are doing this to ourselves. (Even if only as a means and method to understand this fact), Oil is the bored lover that keeps us on a leash and licking it's toes. All sex that involves condoms, plastics or lubricants is a magickal ritual enacted to further the agenda of oil. Our sex has been controlled, we are being domesticated. It is us, as humans, that oil is addressing. We try to act as though we can treat it like a tool, or even our dog, but if we don't wisen up soon to the petro-psycho-spiritual game that is being played, we're gonna fuck ourselves hard.

>>12340159

The idea that "oil is sentient" should not should confusing, or mystical or be that counter-intuitive at all. It should be true in even the most materialistic of readings. Even if it's just videogames and hentai that you care about, every fucking piece of plastic that you touch, eat and breath is made out of oil. When you stick your dick into your VR helmet to fuck your 6-dimensional waifu, you are touching plastic. That stuff is exactly the fucking /interface/ which straps you into (your) reality (mall). Land will tell you that it is raw computation and math that is running the show, but that's a misunderstanding. Land was triple crossed in the second lemurian time-war. The amphetamine god Pazuzu (a lower-demon of oil) handed Nick a sphere that he had dipped in thick, potent crude[1]. Nick looked into the sphere and saw his own dark reflection in the oily slick. Nick mistook his reflection as the Void, and became enamored with the orb, grasping it in his hands and dancing with it. Yet, his fingers became greasy, any and concept that he now touched would slip out of his fingers. He was then conscripted into the third time-war, cursed to cuckoo human idolatries (that Capital is sentient) for many lives.

[1] Drawn from the ground in post-liberation Iraq. It was operation Iraqi-Freedom that played a role in attaining this thick, exceedingly high grade crude oil from the ground. Bedouin tribes were actually given charge of protecting that oil supply - Islam being a hex placed on those tellurian sources of influence.

>>12340171
Are these time wars and demons metaphorical or meant to be taken literally?

>>12340399

> 2019
What's the difference?

the thread is property of the speculative realist gang

Is onions sentient? Is water sentient? Is your skin a symbiote? Does the pancreas exist?

>>12340516

> Is onions sentient?
No, what the fuck are you talking about? Onions cannot be sentient. You're just making shit up now and abusing the idea of "sentient" to shill a dead fucking meme about onions that is stupid now and was stupid when it started.

> Is water sentient?
Yes, and this is the basic principle behind homeopathic medicine. Water has "memory".

> Is your skin a symbiote?
Yes. Me and my skin sign a social contract that is revised every month. However this is my particular relationship with my gender and hence please do not extrapolate that this arrangement is the case for everyone that you meet in the community. It is generally polite to ask someone what their politics are before you start addressing them by their skin or the rest of their body.

> Does the pancreas exist?
Nope. Turns out it's a spook. Who woulda thunk...

>>12340516
Yes

>>12339429
Niggerstan please.

Bump

>>12339513
Thanks. Good stuff. Although Vittjenschtein proved all this unnecessary.

>>12339700

That's because you're trying to read literal gibberish.

>>12340715
>homeopathic """medicine"""

>>12337656
the doctor's face seems to swim in and out offocus you see the pores in his skin
scrobicular arrays
and then -
suddenly
without dissolve
crossing the threshold
filmic cut
a circle of homogeneous flesh tone
nostrils sealed against the deluge
eyes shut and switched off forever
lips
teeth
tongue migrate downwards out of shot
the disk receding at speed towards a point of disappearance
in the centre of the screen
the old reality is closing down

*ting ting ting*
AHEM
Accelerationism is a meme and the only people who believe/espouse it are genuine schizophrenics
Thank you.

How long until Land's thought is mainstream?

I just bought a paperback of Fanged Noumena from an amazon seller named Virtual_Books

>>12340715
Soi being sentient is a legitimate conspiracy theory

>>12340496
SPECULATIVE GANGWEED

>>12340171
>When you stick your dick into your VR helmet to fuck your 6-dimensional waifu
ywn fuck a 6d waifu let alone 2d

>>12342121
he already is, 4channel is the new reddit

>>12342121

>>12339361
Exactly. We have to go deeper!

>>12342121
I give 10~20 years until you start seeing people say "sentient capital" on national TV

>>12342085
This.
Fuck Land. Fuck Technojews. And especially fuck cryptojannies.

>>12343948
>already on reddit
The 4chan accelerationists are so slow that they are currently crossposting last month's redditceleration threads.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sorceryofthespectacle/comments/aa5xvi/what_is_capital_what_is_sentience_why_is_capital/

>>12343991
Honestly all accels need is a Marx/Adam Smith/Bakunin/whatever to write it all down in a way that makes sense to truly go mainstream as a political thought

Most of the groundwork is done, one only needs to build something that lasts now.

>>12343015

IT'S HAPPENING

>>12340516
sentient soya is an conspiracy

>After Plant left the CCRU, Land led the group to study his diverse interests, which included the occult, rave culture, science fiction, and the philosophies espoused by post-structuralists like Michel Foucault and Jacques Derrida. Post-structuralism insists that knowledge can be founded on neither experience nor more definitive, fundamental truths, which to believers connoted a sort of freedom. Freedom from, in a sense, the basis of knowledge itself.

https://breakermag.com/heres-the-dark-enlightenment-explainer-you-never-wanted/

Why do they keep making up stuff? Land was never into these guys was he?

>>12342085
schizoid spectrum is the real redpill friend

autists can't compete

>>12344294
Land got in contact with Derrida to share his writings on Trakl for his PHD thesis (this is mentioned in the acknowledgement section), but he never particularly enjoyed Derrida, and made this somewhat clear in the Thirst for Annihilation. He referred to Derrida and Baudrillard in a vaguely disparaging way in Fanged Noumena as well, although I forget the specific chapter. As for Foucault, it's fair to say there's no real relation

>>12337656
I'm currently a graduate student of philosophy in the American midwest. My undergraduate was in biomolecular engineering and before I went back to school I worked as an R&D engineer in the reproductive genetics industry. The faculty in my department are very open to Land and accelerationism as well.

>>12344786
I'm particularly interested in the similarity between Schopenhauer's concept of Will and Land's techno-capital as demiurge or what have you

>>12344061
What's the point? They don't say anything new. The only thing keeping their racket going is the post-modernist metacomplexity taken to insane levels.
That's all they're really accelerating.

>>12342085
Schizophrenics who hold normal jobs and function normally in all spheres

>>12344793
from Fisher's Terminator Vs. Avatar
>What, then, is Land's philosophy about?
>In a nutshell: Deleuze and Guattari's machinic desire remorselessly stripped of all Bergsonian vitalism, and made backwards-compatible with Freud's death drive and Schopenhauer's Will. The Hegeian-Marxist motor of history is then transplanted into this pulsional nihilism: the idiotic autonomic Will no longer circulating on the spot, but upgraded into a drive, and guided by a quasi-teleological artificial intelligence attractor that draws terrestrial history over a series of intensive thresholds that have no eschatological point of consummation, and that reach empirical termination only contingently if and when its material substrate burns out. This is Hegelian-Marxist historical materialism inverted: Capital will not be ultimately unmasked as exploited labour power; rather, humans are the meat puppet of Capital, their identities and self-understandings are simulations that can and will be ultimately be sloughed off.

>>12344807
Land thinks uncle Ted was a genius

fyi Land has written a book on Bitcoin and is unrolling it on his blog in the last 2 months, one section per day.

Hitler is the Father, Manson the Son and Land the Holy Ghost. Esoteric Hitlerism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-P2aXAOBW4

>>12344828
Thanks friend, gonna look into this Fisher fella

I want to write a whitepaper for a tech project that includes some more futuristic features - does anybody know enough about this real from the perspectives discussed here to get into a dialog and help me clarify an and write an appealing text? Thanks.

>>12345256
is it crypto?

>>12345256
yes

>>12345264
yes

>>12345495
message Plexic on here
https://discord.gg/fe7xpE

>>12339923
>>12340140
But why gud

>>12339923
From the thumbnail it looks like you shat on the book, I thought you were being hardcore for a moment.

>>12339330
I hate it too anon,
Let's touch dicks.

>>12339439
>calling a persian an arab
A-hyuck you're asking for trouble.

>>12345678

>>12342085
/thread

>>12344807
I’m so fucking glad this board sees Kaczynski’s genius and prescience. Thought I was the only one.

>>12339869
>>12340159
>>12340171
....based desu

>>12339558
>Posting about it when you`re this early in
Fucking psued.

>>12344807
>post-modernist metacomplexity
nothing Land says is postmodernist. you can snack on shrooms but don't do it while watching jordan peterson.

>>12346199
lmao
Ok kid.

>>12346210
no arguments and all deflection as usual from your ilk.

What's the accelerationists opinion on Ted "kill the feds" Kaczynski?

>>12346214
Molymeme isn't an accelerationist.
Fuck off back to dreddit.

>>12346245
based and/or redpilled

>>12339905
Pleas respond I'm curious

>>12346245
Probably something like: "Reactionary Luddism is not just futile but runs counter to the underlying physical laws of the universe."

>>12346341
is that a wrong statement though?

>>12346319
larping faggotry

>>12346245
>>12346401
>>12346341
reminder Nick Land loves Kaczynski

>>12346414
I don't get it. Are accelerationists all bad readers or something?

How accomodating is accelerationism to troons?

funny how people who call accelerationism "LARP" or "schizophrenic" can't explain how are why. what a funny coincidence

>>12346507
life itself is a LARP, so to real get into that whole accelerationist shit you have to open a pandoras box of other ridiculous possibilities.
It's intellectual wankery, entertaining, but the idea that anyone would actually take it seriously is actually sort of like being a scientologist or something.

>>12346538
>you have to open a pandoras box of other ridiculous possibilities
you have no idea what you're talking about. all it takes is basic subject and cybernetic ontology and you can work out the rest logically.

>>12346554
sounds like BS to me.

>>12346507
Many underlying ideas of acc are schizophrenic in nature, but this is not a bad thing in the slightest

>>12346554
but what if it's the oil that's mind-controlling the electricity?
faggot.

Where does Manuel Landa fit into all this?

>>12346567
psychotic in nature maybe but that doesn't equal schizophrenia.
assumptions are necessary for epistemic humility to occur in the first place and to become presumptions.

>The year is 2122. Neo Shanghai. Anime is real. The hyperstition of old vs young Landians is boiling with virtual/actual chaos, and the pressure hits critical. Turing cops surround the apartment, your waifu calls out from the navi, reminding you of the price of failure. Footsteps in the stairwell. You insert her backup nanosata into your anal cavity no lube and make your way to the window. You slap the emergency neodymium magnet to your VDD and leap into the neon future.

>>12346615
>assumptions are necessary for epistemic humility to occur in the first place and to become presumptions.
look at this fucking pseud.

>>12340715
https://youtu.be/8HslUzw35mc

>>12346507
not LARP though

>>12339869
>swearing in front of a mother and her child
You and your friends are despicable.
Faggot

>>12347471
It was clearly autism.
That mom wanted to get away from you asap.

Bump

>>12342121
We'll get pajeetfuturism instead of sinofuturism. Not likely gonna happen.

>>12344070
m/s^2
acceleration is based, but jerk (m/s^3) is time travelling.

>>12346507
Accelerationism is a virgin wet dream where you think you can compete with Chad if the game was leveled (you can't).

>>12348949
No. The chads ARE the accelerationists.

>>12349085
That's why every accelerationist is a mentally ill schizo from a fringe political group, right?

>>12349227
women: the excerpt

>>12348847
>implying we wont get arcticfuturism as the icecaps melt

>>12344807
Jordan would agree with him completely on that point though.

>>12349093
What do you mean by schizo here? Afaik, to D&G, the schizo individuals are those which lack capacity for identify formation which enables the desire that capitalism fills e.g. with ever new products and possible self-images (pic very related in a plentora of ways).
As such, schizo isn't just negatively connoted.
The well-calibrated individual is the easy victim of Capital.

>>12348949
How would accelerationist even profit or outperform Chad in being Chad in anyway, when society transitions according to their vision?
How are you no just projecting, why do you want to make this about pussy in the first place?

>>12349093
Afaik, to D&G, the schizo individuals are those which lack capacity for identify formation. The capacity for identify formation enables the desire that capitalism fills e.g. with ever new products and possible self-images (pic very related in a plentora of ways). As such, schizo isn't just negatively connoted. The well-calibrated normie individual is the easy victim of Capital.

>>12348949
How would accelerationist even profit or outperform Chad in being Chad in anyway, when society transitions according to their vision?
How are you no just projecting, why do you want to make this about pussy in the first place?

Serious question, why does the alt-right willfully misunderstand aceeleration? they literally think it means causing an international calamity in order to seize the reigns of power during the chaos. Ignoring the poor logistics of that scenario, why do they think this is an accurate representation of what Accelerationism actually is?

PS anyone here in contact with any people involved with this philosophy? I'm looking for an interview guest for a podcast thing who can explain what accelerationism ACTUALLY is, thanks.

>>12340715
>water has memory
Nigger what?

Landian philosophy and right-accelerationism is an attempt to translate dark-synth albums into literature and as an aesthete above all else, I'll support it.

>>12345256
this is why crypto isn’t going anywhere anytime soon

>>12349334
And? Doesn’t mean he has escaped from it

>>12349403
You are asking why people misunderstand acc and then asking for a source to explain what it is? What? And to answer your first part, acc is most commonly used to mean left acc which is where the term originated

right acc is a completely separate and newer beast

>>12349459
So the answer is because it is a different concept that just uses the same name... they stole the name and are using it to describe a much simpler and less developed idea. GOt it, thank you. I find that intellectually dishonest on their part.

By the way, I was asking for someone to explain it because my understanding is not good enough to explain it well

>>12349435
I'm already involved with many projects and I don't know anybody in this space that has my outlook. I don't even know anyone in this space who known who Land is. Effectively everybody (the 100 or so active known projects, in the pool of 2500 coins) compete with each other by picking up one of the buzzwords and claiming the will be the ones resolving the issue and making it more use-friendly and/or society-friendly. I aim at trying something different is all.

>>12349494
Yes I mean it’s both more complicated and simpler than that

It’s something that is misunderstood because yeah the most common use of the word is actually referring to a more specific subset of the word. I think the redefining is justified

Accelerationism just means capitalism should be expanded to generate radical social change. Many people take it to mean “letting capitalism destroy itself so that we can reach a Marxist dystopia” and left acc confusingly refers to something different than even that, and right acc refers to the world of land autism

>>12349403
>I'm looking for an interview guest for a podcast thing who can explain what accelerationism ACTUALLY is, thanks.

here you go fella

>The story goes like this: Earth is captured by a technocapital singularity as renaissance rationalitization and oceanic navigation lock into commoditization take-off. Logistically accelerating techno-economic interactivity crumbles social order in auto-sophisticating machine runaway. As markets learn to manufacture intelligence, politics modernizes, upgrades paranoia, and tries to get a grip.

>>12338808
i've been meaning to but i'm waiting on new sections of Nick's book to come out. also reading a lot of mystical stuff to quiet my inner Monkey King

>>12339361
kek. can't deconstruct the deconstruction amigo. it's like shepherding cats

>>12339429
Land: Capital is sentient
Reza: Oil is Sentient

>>12349513
I was serious about messaging me on discord
>>12345593

>>12343015
that is a fucking nice reading list tbqh

post-acc WHEN

>>12350029
I'm going to remember that one.. postaccelerationism, is that like international-nationalism?

>>12339869
>I had a conversation in a gondola once.

>>12350029
this is what i imagine post-acc would look like

>>12349966
meme reading list trying to be as cutting-edge as possible just for the sake of it

>>12350208
sign me up

gotta cut those edges. or get cut by them i guess. not sure really. but either way i think it's a good look and beats the hell out of the current order

this is not to say that in the long run academia cannot probably domesticate land's thought and turn it into something even more horrible than it is - that is, Acceleration For Happiness!!!- but still

>>12350283
spotted girardfag. fuck outta here

somebody post the land reading guide

>>12350297

>>12340140
What are these notes about?

To all the land scholars, does land ever try to reconcile his influences?, why does he pull form nietzsche but kant at the same time?

>>12337656
It's unreadable nonsense.

>>12350349
He doesn't need too, he's a Postmodernist.

>>12350349
That's like the first 5 essays in Fanged Noumena

>>12349444
Equally, it doesn't mean he hasn't... It's a large group of people who aren't brought together by ideals, but purely by purpose. To claim everyone involved in any university falls under the classification of Ted's critisism is riddiculous. Peterson has made the same claims about the majority of university intellectuals, the only thing he was rebelling against, it the majority of university intellectuals rebellion against the system. There's also pleanty of people just silently going along with it. Sweeping absolute statements (except from this one) are never right

>>12338808
what does girard have to do with Land?

>>12350363
>everyone I don't like is a postmodernist

>>12350430
there's a guy who calls himself girardfag who launches into long schizo-rambles about land and acceleration every once in a while. that guy is me. that's pretty much it

>>12350435
You're confused, that's a pro-land statement, many PoMo's don't try making a overarching philosophy perfectly applicable to every situation that fits together like a jigsaw puzzle.

>>12350449
>making a overarching philosophy perfectly applicable to every situation that fits together like a jigsaw puzzle.
that's exactly what Land does though, Kant, Marx, and Deleuze are pretty much as universalist as philosophy gets.

>>12350446
ah ok but it has nothing to do with René Girard? I don't know much about accelerationism and I rarely check the thread about it but I would be curious to know how it relates to Girard's line of thought

>>12350506
in my own experience it is all a long tumble into the world of desires, which often seem to me to be co-opted by the world of machines in which we live. girard doesn't have much to say about acceleration and land doesn't have much to say about catholicism (although he does make a convincing argument that socialism proceeds from protestantism, and much of contemporary progressive leftism that he hates follows from a loathing of what is for him protestantism disguised as socialism). things like this.

and there is of course the pic rel connection also: studies with RG, beloved by Uncle Nick as tech-comm baron supremo. miles and miles of shitposting can follow from speculations on these things as one likes. i've done this from time to time myself and it's fun.

basically acceleration is like death metal marxism, or at least that is why i am attracted to it. it doesn't necessarily equate to girard stuff unless you have a weird bent for faux-intellectual masochism, which i do. dwelling on capitalism tends to lead me towards dwelling on human nature, which trends back towards religion - sometimes Eastern, sometimes Western. Thiel was an early investor in Facebook as well, and Girard actually has a role to play in that story as well, oddly enough.

anyways. the musings. short answer: no, unless you want to go looking for them, and engage subsequently in a whirlwind of shitposting.

>>12350550
>and doesn't have much to say about catholicism

lest i misrepresent the boy, let it be known: when he does muse on religious stuff, he makes it interesting.

http://www.xenosystems.net/hell-baked/

>>12350550
>rard doesn't have much to say about acceleration and land doesn't have much to say about catholicism (although he does make a convincing argument that socialism proceeds from protestantism, and much of contemporary progressive leftism that he hates follows from a loathing of what is for him protestantism disguised as socialism). things like this.

afaik thats the main idea in moldbugs writings, land just copied it

he never cared much about race or economic policies, originally

>>12350570
>he never cared much about race or economic policies, originally
disinterest in race + gender is why i got interested in his work in the first place. land's relation to these is ofc complicated, and he skirts the edge of a lot of ethnat black holes. as he said of NRx, the only people who didn't think he was a Nazi were the Nazis. the model for excellence is usually Singapore, where LKY had equally pragmatic views about things.

the important thing was that the state worked, and the definition of work meant economics. but it is probably impossible to separate economics from culture and values in 2019 (as it has been, no doubt, since the beginning).

Land is good for basically saying that Hell, which is the actual forge of value, does not really discriminate either. and in a sense that is basically where capital comes from, in a way. and much else. making things about race and gender only hides how the sausage gets made, which is in a lake of fire (if not an emanation from R'lyeh, etc, etc).

i like Land because he basically puts genuine holy terror in economic study. no redemption, absolute torture. that i think is a good look.

>>12350613
i just watched the complete trilogy of this a week ago and it's on my mind, but i find it dovetails well with Landian stuff. basically i think one way to understand /acc is by asking: what if Sauron is the spirit of capital itself? industry and tech conquers all, and it comes out of the inferno, and has no real ending. that is bad if you are the Shire, no doubt; but the other side of it is, *this may also be the most powerful force in the universe.*

Land does not share the rest of Tolkien's sensibilities, and i don't share all of Land's either. but like all interesting writers, Uncle Nick keys in on what is really going on, on the most interesting parts of the story (or some of the most interesting parts, anyways).

Sauron isn't human, but he is human all-too-human, if you get the idea. that is industry and tech for you. and he would probably also say that if you want Gandalf, you won't find him in Hegel.

>>12350658
>*this may also be the most powerful force in the universe.*

well...maybe. sometimes. depends on who you ask.

>>12337656
What happened to Girard fag and the generals?
Followed that shit religiously, better stuff than Land's books and the CCRU tbqh fmlm

>>12350364
First six but he mixes specific parts of their philosophis into his, he doesn't connect all of his influences together into a cohesive whole. >>12350449 is right

>>12350613
libertarians often swoon over singapore, but forget that geographical location is the only reason it got so wealthy, not effective governance

>>12350770

And yet Malaysia shares the same location and does far worse in almost every respect.

>>12350741
see
>>12344828
people mythologize Land a bit too much, he's got a pretty consistent through line right up until he finds Moldbug and twitter. If you are just saying he has influences from philosophers who disagreed with one another, welcome to philosophy.

Who is more important to /lit/? Nick Land or David Foster Wallace?

>>12350818
singapore has the most important port in asia

malaysia ... well, doesnt

i'm here amigo. the tolkienposting above is me. glad to know you enjoyed the Wild Ride. i've been away from the chans for a while to reflect and kind of pause on the landposting

i took a break after the Cosmotech adventure, it was like two and a half months of straight /acc stuff. kind of needed it. steeped myself in Eastern philosophy for a while, now doing a deep-dive into Christian mysticism, aided in part by a re-watch of LOTR. i have discovered that Christianity is actually pretty based in its own way also

Cosmotech will return whenever i get that unbearable need to rant infinitely about capitalism. might not be on that scale tho, i was basically living in those threads. and maybe also because i'm starting to finally realize why i have such an obsession with Land himself: because he's basically purging socialism of virtue signal by presenting capital as the genuine and unironic horrorshow which it is. trying to be the Best Accelerationist is like trying to be the greatest black metal act in Sweden. it's not really possible. and after a while you kind of want to just go back and listen to Chopin or w/ev again and not always be wishing for the hard stuff...or at least that's how it is for me.

but i am very glad to know that you enjoyed the adventure. i really did too. there's probably more in that bucket yet, but a pause is necessary sometimes.

>>12350770
>but forget that geographical location is the only reason it got so wealthy, not effective governance
geography is one part of it for sure, but i think you're underestimating LKY. effective governance plays a massive role in the Singapore story, as does the fact that LKY didn't need to rely on more authoritarianism than required. it probably helped that he was seceding from the British and not from, say, the Soviet Union also.

also lothlorien b/c why not. not everyone falls for the One Ring

>>12350717
see
>>12350855

getting some weird notifications about the system thinking my posts are spam and to reformat. which obviously they are, but still...

lands philosophy is little more than edgy techno-babble, but these threads always attract the most interesting people, so i hang out here

>>12350717
>What happened to Girard fag and the generals?
They became the target of /leftypol/ so people stopped participating.

>>12350889
>They became the target of /leftypol/ so people stopped participating.

really? hm

I don't understand why people have trouble understanding Land, he's easier to understand than a lot of philosophers, especially the ones that influenced him.

>>12350937
explain what accelerationism and capital (as by land) is in easy terms then pls

>>12350953
not that guy but basically strains of marxist futurism sans humanism. the revolution is capital itself, which is to say technology, which is to say AI. really not so hard

>>12350953
>capital (as by land)
A undead amphetamine god clawing its way backwards through time.

>>12350977
but it is tbqh

why is technology or AI a necessary consequence of markets? markets can exist without them and AI could also exist under communism or anarcho-tribalism or strasserism or whatever

>>12350953
capital is sentient

>>12350980
mkay, so that raises a few questions ...
1.) why is that entity a god
2.) why amphetamines
3.) why through capitalism
4.) proofs plz

>>12350953
>350953▶>>12350977 >>12350980 >>12351003
>>>12350937
>Justin Murphy: So maybe we could think a little bit about what exactly is that thing that escaped, because, I mean, I guess one plausible candidate would be, perhaps we just call this intelligence itself?

>Nick Land: The crucial notion is intelligence production. There’s always been intelligence kicking around, but what is specifically modern is the fact that you’re actually able to lock in a positive feedback circuit on intelligence production, and therefore, to have a runaway intelligenic process. This is something that is uniquely modern. Often when you’re looking at the highest examples of intelligence in a culture, you’re looking precisely at the way that it has been fixed and crystallized and immunized against that kind of runaway dynamic — the kind of loops involving technological and economic processes that allow intelligence to go into a self-amplifying circuit are quite deliberately constrained, often by the fact that the figure of the intellectual is, in a highly-coded way, separated from the kind of techno-social tinkering that could make those kind of circuits activate. And so what we’re talking about with modernity, or capitalism, is the fact that the inhibitor system on that kind of circuitry becomes dysfunctional and ceases to obtain.

>>12351038
sauce of that interview?

>>12351046
https://vastabrupt.com/2018/08/15/ideology-intelligence-and-capital-nick-land/

why does AI God allow leftist politics, even communism, if it slows down his advance?

>>12350995
because libertarianism. efficiency means speed, and also the absence of (largely human) fuck-ups. markets can indeed exist without them, but not the big ones, and the big ones are the ones that are the interesting ones (and also which largely direct the attention of the world, like a great planetary unconscious).

communism is already AI, in a sense. this is why Thiel remarks that crypto is libertarian and AI is communist. now the question to ask - it is an interesting one - is *what constitutes AI*? because this in turn becomes questions about intelligence, intelligence and their relations to markets, intelligence and the affects, affects and markets, and so on...and i'm legit not throwing these up as a smokescreen, but rather because they open up onto questions that are pretty interesting, and mostly get buried as soon as we start arguing about which form of protestant socialism we prefer - the hard left or the hard right, and both of which are equally stupid, and equally locked in a death-waltz with tech, computers, capital and so on.

getting AI under anarcho-tribalism seems unlikely to me. the race is on right now in Russia, China and the US, and my bet will be on one of those three to make the gains there rather than micro-patchwork states. but who knows, i could b wrong.

basically it comes down to Land's theory of libertarianism, which marks the outer limit of capital, and which is the fundamental driving force behind liberalism. anything that breaks away from this does so in the name of a politics that he will always say is missing the point, deliberately or not. this is not to say there aren't problems with this position: he's sort of like the John Calvin of Marxism, or so it seems. Land is basically custom-made to crack open the Do Not Open boxes in academic Marxism, and yet for all of that he remains rigorously Marxist, as Deleuze was. he just thinks the Kant + Marx connection is a lot more interesting than the Hegel + Marx one.

>>12351038
thx for posting this. i would actually like a second Murphy/Land interview at some point.

>>12350995
>>12351005
You really don't get it, capital isn't a device, It's a literal fundamental force.

>>12351077
if "having an effect on human history" is enough of a qualifier to be a "literal fundamental force", then sexuality, hunger, emotions also are

why is capitalism special

>>12351105
are you not seeing the connections between sexuality and hunger to capital?

it's almost like eventually we learn that people like food and sex and take that into account when making decisions about things.

>>12351105
>if "having an effect on human history" is enough of a qualifier to be a "literal fundamental force"
>sexuality
I'm starting to suspect your actually very well read on Land and simply baiting discussion because this was fucking perfect.

>>12337656
I haven’t read anything by Nick Land or any of the accelerationists, but, yes, it’s pseud garbage.

>>12351067
that's the Roko's Basilisk argument, kind of, but tbqh i find the Basilisk somewhat silly.

i think the better answer here would be simply the obvious one: the future isn't certain. people don't always want innovation. for all kinds of reasons.

another possibility could be that, like all nascent deities, it may yet actually not know what it does and does not want.

>>12349227
nigga klein didnt understand that u need to oedipalize hysterics, not schizoids

>>12351126
>yes good goy, don't read land!
wtf?

>>12351130
this is true /lit/posting

take into account that capitalism is actually slowing down its pace

economic growth across the developed world is meager
anti-establishment governments across the world promise more socialism and protectionism
trump is rallying against global trade
the development of ageing countries such as japan halted altogether

as for technological development, it is far slower than it used to be, as well. consumer toys such as smartphones, electric cars and 5G mobile internet pale in comparison to the revolutions we used to have -- automobiles (any at all), personal computers, the WWW

>>12351067
everything that has happened or will happen is the series of events most conducive to the creation of the AI

>>12351130
still far more interesting than the other pseud garbage going on in philosophy today

>>12351134
incredibly based

>>12346245
tried to fight gnon and lost

>>12351140
Land began with sexuality and which developed into >>12351117
,

i would get all this drivel if land were an incel, but he has a wife, so i dont get why he wrote all of his schizoid egdy bullshit

posting this here because watching this film will help you understand a lot of what Land is talking about.

>>12351171
Ok, and the society set up laws to set up artificial barriers to food and sexuality in order to extract value from the sentient capital? So what? That's how it works, and let's party on.

>>12350937
land is a psedu who likes the smell of his own farts so he writes in a inchoerneisble purple prose. He's also like 90's edgy cyberpunk guy. I bet he would non iroincally wear a trench coat

Now the unabomber. There was a man who could write his insane political ramblings so simply even the common man could understand it

>>12346624
telurian and fast-pilled

>>12351171
NB: the long result of capital learning about human desires - and human beings voluntarily (or involuntarily, or pseudo-voluntarily, or, or) consenting to this is algorithmic governance:

>§2.642 — The idea of telic compulsion (in general) was rejected by the moderns, in very substantial part because the specific social and historical order identified with it was undergoing a great refusal, involving tumultuous conflict of such proportions that the idea of common governing ends had become implausible, and in fact ideologically intolerable. ‘Mechanism’ was both an explanatory procedure and, relatedly, a commitment to the disintegration of social purposes, with special relevance to those new micro-social redoubts most indispensable to the formulation and testing of techno-scientific hypotheses, indispensable to germinal industrial capitalism. Modern mechanism thus arose as a counter-convergence, in which the multiple senses of freedom from interference found coherence. It was simultaneously an image of nature, captured in abstraction from divine intervention, and a distributed manifesto in defense of autonomous research practices. In proclaiming the irrelevance of ecclesiastical judgment to all matters of natural fact, modernity liberates mechanization, or initiates a mechano-liberalization, continuous with the impulse to algorithmic governance of our present time. The conspicuous – perhaps ‘apparent’ – paradox at work has provided the staple nourishment for philosophical reflection ever since. Over a span of five centuries, the seemingly contradictory cultural bearing that heads – simultaneously – into unconstrained volition and rigid mechanical determinacy has been bound together by the tacit aspiration to actualize a freedom machine. Bitcoin is, beyond all serious question, its most remarkable recent instantiation.

the serious question is not whether you want communism or not. it's actually whether you can do better than AI governance, and what this will look like.

On /pol/ there is a recent fad of libertarians converting to national socialism, exactly because of the negative things that nRx and classical libertarianism brings with them.
No one really wants any of what Land describes.

>>12337656
How many of you guys actually read Kant, where the term originates from and understand the proepr meaning of it?
Nick Land's Fanged Noumena seems like an end Boss work that I feel a minimum of 10 years of rigorous study is necessary beforehand.

>>12351262
give it a bit more time and these brainlets will understand that capitalism is the sole driving factor behind most migration and the decay of tradition

>>12351272
why does he do this though? Why can he not explain it so normal assholes like me understand it?

>One session involved Nick Land “lying on the ground, croaking into a mic”, recalls Robin Mackay, while Mackay played jungle records in the background

>>12351291
Rude. Some of us are still marxists, you know?

>>12351262
/pol/ Isn't ideological.

>>12347551
>>12347471
>>12339898
the mom was chill. She was smiling and even bootstrapped the kid into the convo. It was actually her that ventured the info that the played fortnight. Kind of like giving him permission to engage.

You can have positive engagement with strangers about non-trivial things as long as you can figure out how to bring them up. However, not seeing this in entirely the NEET’s fault. In the US there is a big taboo against interacting with other people’s children. Outside the developed world you can literally hand out candy to children on the street and the parents think you’re being sweet.

I see I got a (you) but I still got 160 replies to go through before I can answer you.
I ask for your patience.

Nick Land: These things come in waves. Wave motion is crucial to this. There was an extremely exciting wave that was ridden by the Ccru in the early to mid-1990s. You know, the internet basically arrived in those years, there were all kinds of things going on culturally and technologically and economically that were extremely exciting and that just carried this accelerationist current and made it extremely, immediately plausible and convincing to people. Outrageous perhaps, but definitely convincing. It was followed — and I wouldn’t want to put specific dates on this, really — but I think there was an epoch of deep disillusionment. I’d call it the Facebook era, and obviously, for anyone who’s coming in any way out of Deleuze and Guattari, for something called “Facebook” to be the dominant representative of cyberspace is just almost, you know, a comically horrible thing to happen! [Laughs.]

I just really responded to this with such utter, prolonged disgust that a certain deep, sedimentary layer of profound grumpiness — from a personal point of view — was added to this. But I don’t think it’s just a personal thing. I think that accelerationism just went into massive eclipse …

>>12351272
it doesn't take ten years of study to understand Kant, but yes, this is end game stuff.
>>12351280
read the first handful of essays in pic related

>>12351279
This has always been understood by people who study such things. The original fascists knew of the evils of international fiance capital who put profit over people and nation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NVsyMalJXo

Is he Landian?

>>12351279
>>12351330
tfw right wingers are all talking like Marxists now
>The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal,
idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”.

>>12351279
>>12351330
tfw right wingers are all talking like Marxists now
>The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”.

>>12351330
even so, the solution to this isn't to build stagnant church-driven monarchism (which introduced finance capital in the first place)

>>12351358
How is it Marxist to notice that capitalism is the rot upon race and natons? That open borders immigration isnt done out of the kindness of peoples but because the plutocrats that control the nation need a supply of cheap slave labor that also lowers wages and this will ultimately lead to the destruction of the west

Fascism is about blood and soil. Not some fucking kike making money off a never ending stream of shitskins

Just in case someone is interested in watching Land debate another philosopher, here is his debate against Peter Wolfendale.
https://youtu.be/o_nXjYaOkvE?list=PLM6AzdvgK2LIEudhL5LcQ2Z4b1iBNTONP&t=7506

this is one of my absolute favorite truth-bombs from Recent Nick:

§3.08 — Fractional reserve banking partially anticipates macroeconomic governance in the discretion it affords to money creation, but – in itself – it offers only the faintest glimpse of the new world that is arising. This systematic incorporation of Keynesian ‘animal spirits’ into the realm of government policy objectives, beginning – very tentatively – in the 1930s, and then ascending to dominance in the post-war world, completes the politicization of the economic sign. Money is now invested with mass psychological meaning, identified with a technocratically-accessible dimension of collective arousal, and economic sentiment becomes an explicit object of administrative manipulation, through the money supply. The profundity of this development is easily under-estimated. In the era of macroeconomics, monetary policy is seamlessly fused with psychological operations, oriented to strategic public mood alteration or ‘demand management’ orchestrated with reference to an array of guiding concepts which are overtly attitudinal: ‘wealth effects’, ‘money illusion’, and ‘wage stickiness’ prominent among them. It is now the psycho-social propensities to save or spend that are to be theoretically reconstructed by the academic-administrative economic complex, with integral cynicism, on the functional analogy of pharmacological medicine. Economic and clinical therapeutics become increasingly hard to distinguish in principle, as they are differentiated only by their specific techniques of psychological intervention, and by the scales of their domains. In each case the (individual or collective) patient, vulnerable to ‘depression’, is subjected to expert treatment through the measured application of artificial ‘stimulus’. Feedback is provided by economic sentiment polling, designed to gauge business and consumer confidence. There is nothing metaphorical about any of this, except insofar as euphemism is called upon in the public presentation of monetary and fiscal objectives. Macroeconomic policy is – quite simply, and exactly – mass mind-control. As it is normalized, it sees ever less need to disguise the fact.

also, alchemy pot.

>>12351529
>There is nothing metaphorical about any of this, except insofar as euphemism is called upon in the public presentation of monetary and fiscal objectives. Macroeconomic policy is – quite simply, and exactly – mass mind-control.
how many levels of redpill is he on?

>>12351651
>how many levels of redpill is he on?
the absolute maximum beyond which there is no further level. when Morpheus says to Neo, i can show you how deep the rabbit hole goes, he actually doesn't realize how far that can be. Land is more like the machines with which Neo makes a bargain than anyone in or from Zion. he makes the Architect look like a manager at Arby's.

also Reza's book is out and everyone ITT should be reading it.

also i have clicked on i think 83 buses, motorcyles, and traffic lights to make this fucking post jesus christ

Reminder.

>>12351759
Isn't that bottom one from a really shitty GTAV "reskin"?
This is not the pic you should use to promote Accelerationism, mate.

>>12337656
>Is it a meme?
yes

>>12350851

Policy produces ports.

if this world were Dune both Land and Negarestani would be mentats. prove me wrong

>>12351772
lmao

>>12351777
Ok, with those digits it is now the 7th time to end this thread.
Accelfags can go back to pol now.

might as well post this here too, it's a good one:

>This notion that conceptual form or the structuring of the world is generated by sociality and the pragmatic interactions in that public space of language, the ‘give and take of reasons’ (Brandom) – the normative praxis and techniques that invent the possibility of mind in the first instance. Yet, the very process of technicity that has exposed humanity as technology, as symbiont – neither fully machinic nor fully organic has opened to door of futurity. As Nick Land once suggested “the high road to thinking no longer passes through a deepening of human cognition, but rather through a becoming inhuman of cognition, a migration of cognition out into the emerging planetary technosentience reservoir, into ‘dehumanized landscapes … emptied spaces’! where human culture will be dissolved.”

>Our fascination with copies of ourselves in machinic systems that mimic our behavior and our thoughts has been a part of the whole gamut of engineering feats from the early Greeks onwards. Why this fascination to build a perfect image of ourselves in a technical artifact? What has drawn us to invent such a world in which such technical beings may in coming times surpass us and become the higher forms of planet earth? Were we already in our core machinic beings? Is this slow externalization of the organic functions into inorganic forms a teleological process? Are we just fulfilling some already well thought out pre-existing plan, strategy? This notion obviously goes against the grain of all materialist thought in which such designs and designers are mere shadows of Platonic other worlds to be left in the dust bin of strange ideas that were in error. But were they? Why have we continued to seek out and invent external forms of our minds and bodies in technical systems through collectivization processes? What drives us to do this? What are we seeking? Maybe in the end Reza is right:

>Intelligence only springs forth from a race of slaves who have recognized themselves as such, and in this recognition have crafted the most intricate plot – the exploration of time through their history – to abolish any given, which will inevitably become the very condition of exploitation and inequality. Intelligence matures by unlearning its slavery. Intelligence is the race of Cain.

https://socialecologies.wordpress.com/

aaarrgh i took like a month to rinse my mind out from all of this stuff and just think about the Journey to the West and Christian mysticism but this stuff is always just too much fun. it's like the old devil whiskey

random thought: the reason to read /acc stuff is to realize that it is in many ways the logical continuation of existentialism updated for the 21C: that is to say, on the other side of the religious aspects that follow from socialism.

the problem with postmodernity is this: you can make the entire world into a solipsistic enterprise under the name of deconstructive politics, and play infinite language games. you can even become elected to high office or attain prestigious university prestige doing this, or trolling those who do, but in the end you will still have that nagging suspicion that you are in fact completely full of shit. meditating on capital means opening up yourself to the possibility that there is something going on outside of yourself that resists being a) neatly reduced to language, or b) neatly reduced to the reduction of all things to language. it leads to c) you may not actually know what the fuck you are saying, and then d) the possibility that much of your life is exodetermined by market forces which find *intelligence* more interesting than *you and your snowflakey specialness.*

acceleration is a crowbar.

>>12351823
how? how is conjecturous schizobabble akin to complex computations

terrance tao IS a mentat

>>12351759
how is he seeing the alien without the glasses on? what is this image even saying

>>12352035
>how?
because Stone Cold Said So

well other reasons also. namely because intelligence does not equal morality, and we are sadly being smothered under an excess of moralizing that is turning public discourse into a neverending episode of Monday Night Raw

>how is conjecturous schizobabble akin to complex computations
Land and Negarestani are not conjecturous schizobabblers. neither was Deleuze. /acc is the greatest fucking philosophy being done anywhere right now

>terrance tao IS a mentat
i'll take your word for it. i can't do math myself

the point is that what /acc is all about is actually unshackling intelligence from academic politics, which are truly the sword with no handle. that is the deal.

also Dune is fucking amazing, i've been reading into it a little these days and Herbert actually has some pretty awesomely underrated stuff going on with the Bene Gesserit: namely, the need to be careful with emotions. an underrated idea that

anyways. it's not conjecturous schizobabble. a lot of continental philosophy is i'll admit. but not so much Uncle Nick, who is the world's most interesting guy. Negarestani is up there tho

>>12350336
there was a decent long ago a thread about noumena in which anon tried to make notes look as schizophrenic as possible

>>12339558
what a load of cack

Accelerationism is just imitation of Semiology, Barthes and Lacan without any attempt at understanding them beforehand.

>>12352266
those are Land's real notes printed at the back of the book

>>12352397
He actually taught classes on French philosophy

how is Land making money nowadays? He sure isn't writing any books.

>>12350770
>libertarians often swoon over singapore
I dont think ive ever seen a libertarian swoon over someplace where mandatory conscription exists and smoking weed can get you executed.

>>12344733
>no relation to focault
This is blatantly false, as Focault is just one step away through Deleuze.

>>12352061
Oh boy...

>>12346538
yr hardstuck in thinking that thinking ought to be done in a specific way buddy.

>>12352020
>accelerationism
>not a retarded language game

>>12352657
it's the least retarded language game possible and an absolute acid bath for anything that attempts to reduce philosophy to linguistic representation. this is actually a good thing.

the blue pill goes down easy and kills you. the red pill is healthy and burns

>>12345256
>>12349513
You guys might want to check out Unicomplex. A lot of pages on it have been taken down including a few of the creators personal blogs and youtube channels, not sure whether by himself or for other reasons.
https://github.com/ninjga/unicomplex
https://github.com/ninjga/centaurian/

>reading Land before Proust
all of you are fucking pseuds, I hate this board and I fucking hate all of you Landposting posers most of all.

>>12352076
zizek is to lacan what girard is to land. im sure if i pressed you on certain aspects of fanged noumena like the retarded 01010101110 passages and whatnot you would concede that theres no real meaning behind it. drugs, whatever. at best/worst it's just posturing. on the same coin, zizek is ready to admit (and has) that the way lacan talks and all of his hand gestures in lectures are just posturing to play the crowd. yet he still worships the man in spite agreeing that hes a pretty big pseud

and because ultimately this really is conjecture, that is to say it's not science, or scientific in any sense of the word, there's no hard logic or anything, it's more of just this "makes the most sense to me" -- it's weird that someone can be on board and respect and have a level of faith in someone that has admittedly a ton of pseud qualities

also even looking through his twitter he seems to be a casual race realist, refers to transgenderism as a virus, apparently is against allowing anyone to deplatform anyone (also calling vox pearl clutchers for reporting on the biggest yt channel admittedly liking a pervasively and deeply anti-semetic yt channel), and more extremely trite takes.

theres tons of patently retarded articles he retweets that he clearly read, quoting lines halfway through
https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2018/12/08/an-open-letter-to-liberals-and-centrists/
>Even though whites are a majority and vote Republican
yes, uneducated whites, and i could hardly consider not wanting to vote for anti-immigration policies and at best soft race realists that historically aligned with jim crow (unless we are autistically ignoring the platform switch) as "tribalism". even though the sentiment is loosely correct, it's like how people of this sort scream at jared diamond for overapplying his geographic determinism, that's exactly what he's doing here with this tribalism retardation. his twitter at times screams a big white victim complex, and a lot of the time its funny and interesting

but i just cant reconcile someone having such feels-over-reals takes with also being a mentat

>>12352738
thx for the effortpost m8.

>zizek is to lacan what girard is to land
kek i never would have imagined reading anything like this. i don't know anyone outside of /lit/ who is actively making that connection. i do it because i have this sobriquet, i like RG and i shitpost about land a lot. but the space between zizek and lacan is a lot smaller (and frankly, more sane) than the one between girard and land. more like land is to deleuze what zizek is to lacan, i think. land will dual-wield deleuze and kant the way zizek uses hegel and lacan. and at the centre of both, of course, is marx. fwiw.

>im sure if i pressed you on certain aspects of fanged noumena like the retarded 01010101110 passages and whatnot you would concede that theres no real meaning behind it.
meh, just never found those parts all that interesting. the first half has plenty.

>at best/worst it's just posturing.
at worst it's posturing. at best it's fucking great philosophy. it really is. Land is no meme, he's doing what philosophers have always done: ask hard questions and occasionally corrupt the youth of Athens. everything he's saying about the future of capital markets and AI is legit interesting. his answers aren't always great, sure, and i don't agree with all that he says. but i'm thrilled that he's out there and writing and working.

>and because ultimately this really is conjecture, that is to say it's not science, or scientific in any sense of the word, there's no hard logic or anything, it's more of just this "makes the most sense to me" -- it's weird that someone can be on board and respect and have a level of faith in someone that has admittedly a ton of pseud qualities
i disagree. if anything Land is refreshingly pro-science in many ways. he certainly likes computers. he is the world's biggest Bitcoin fan, at least as far as theory goes. he's not an anti-science crusader; if anything, he's for it. this is ultimately what modernization means to him. you could say that there is no 'hard logic' in instrumental reason, and in a sense that would be true, but the reasons as to why that is in the first place...again, these are exactly the things that he writes about.

>also even looking through his twitter he seems to be a casual race realist, refers to transgenderism as a virus, apparently is against allowing anyone to deplatform anyone (also calling vox pearl clutchers for reporting on the biggest yt channel admittedly liking a pervasively and deeply anti-semetic yt channel), and more extremely trite takes.
and? lots of philosophers say stuff like this. kant has some pretty Drunk Uncle shit to say. heidegger was anti-semitic as the day is long. heidegger was also a fucking giant of philosophy. i don't need philosophers to be saints, i need them to be interesting. i read saints for other reasons.

my sense is that mentats consider themselves beyond good and evil. but it's also why the Duniverse is ruled by noble families (for better or for worse).

>>12352488
au contraire, he's just written a book on Bitcoin.

Posting it section by section here before a paper release:
http://www.ufblog.net/

>>12352738
i think tho you've hit on something that is near to why i like Land in the first place, and why i am so troubled at the same time: it is because /acc deals with this question of technology and mechanization in a way that goes against the grain of a lot of socialist tendencies that have become absolutely moribund, and have morphed into exactly the societies of control Deleuze warned about.

i can say this much: i find myself *confounded* on this point, which is actually a good thing. on the one hand, or going down the one path, there's transhumanism, posthumanism, and all the rest; that is the part that appeals to me in a philosophical sense, doors that Negarestani also opens, into the world of intelligence with a capital I. the part of the mind that must be a slave to reason in all of its inhumanism.

and along the other way is the one that says, and yet you know this is not only going to lead to enormous human suffering, it is absolutely going to guarantee the rise of militant socialisms of both the hard left and hard right variety, or in the absence of these merely the cynical kind of capitalist-lite neoliberalism that got you started down this road in the first place. all three of those to me suck, because i am at heart a kind of confused and probably masochistic tortured pseudo-mystic (or just pseud).

what Land does through his meditations on capital is to return philosophy to a place that is genuinely open-ended and capable of asking questions about human intelligence beyond the polis. these are *frightening* questions, but again, to me this is a good thing. it gets us beyond postmodernity, which in 2018 showed exactly how it likes to play the game. whether this points us towards mysticism or further into the Cold of deep space is up to all of us. but Uncle Nick is a locksmith par excellence in re-opening doors into the unknown that i think needed to get opened. we either find a new humanism again (mysticism) or take the genuine red pill (/acc) and see where the rabbit hole goes. it's being stuck in the middle that is absolute death, and that is precisely where we are now. i hate it.
>and it is for that reason that i haunt this place like an annoying ghost

also my Landian shitposting skills are mad rusty after some time off. it will take a while before i return to my usual schizoposting form

>>12352704
of all the project, why is this empty repository worth looking into - according to you?

>>12352945
Because of the possible framework that could be provided. Like I said most information about this project has been taken down and I dunno if its even still being worked on. Anon was looking for something futuristic or whatever, just showing him something different.
Whether you can understand the ideas being presented is up to you.

Reminder that accelerationism is radfem by nature. Incels can fuck off and die.

https://vastabrupt.com/2018/10/31/gender-acceleration/

>>12352910
here's Negarestani saying things more concisely than i might, and in ways perhaps more relevant to the thread:

>An outside view of ourselves as a toy model AGI that allows us to conceptually come to grips with the problematics of these two classes of metatheoretical assumptions is exactly what the philosophy of German Idealism encapsulates. German Idealism is a theoretical system built at the intersection of the philosophy of action, philosophy of mind, and philosophy of knowledge. In other words, it is broadly concerned with the conditions of possibility of theoretical and practical cognitions, what they are and how they can be realized. Discussing AGI in the context of German Idealism may appear a retrogressive move to some, but this could not be any further from the truth. When it comes to philosophy of mind, German Idealism—particularly that of Kant and Hegel—poses the right kinds of questions.

basically the dilemma of r/acc is that it lacks anything like a collective political imperative comparable to radical socialism (or fascism). that is, of course, a *good* thing, because it doesn't trend easily towards the built-in features that come with either of those. it makes governance an *excruciatingly* hard problem, and should probably be left where it is for now. patchwork is a pretty good idea in that sense, and it's not hard to understand why Land would be attracted to it: it basically dissolves everything down to the minimal possible level as a workaround for those problems raised in academic marxism that tend to make our situation worse rather than better precisely because they are so vaguely phrased. a question like 'what does it mean to be human?' isn't supposed to be readily answerable unless we are capable of formulating an answer to 'what does it mean to think?'

no doubt more than one continental academic has benefited mightily from making this question unanswerable. but we find ourselves in 2019 (!!!) coming up against the hard limits of where academic marxism can take us. the alternatives to that are cold, hard, and bitter. but it's a corrosive applied in equal measure to fascism, socialism, and neoliberalism. it leaves us with a bevy of new options: post-apoc, Lovecraft, or Grace in some order.
>maybe all three
>what the fuck does that even mean
>i don't know goddamnit i told you i'm rusty

>>12353055
based nyx
louis ck is a cuck

>>12353130
log off nyx

>>12353055
>t.

>>12353055
Absolutely based.

How can we stop quantum misogyny which is merely the particle physics of our bodies become coathangers of a capital which would otherwise be sanitary in nature?

>>12353158
>>12353178
is this xer

>>12352638
I mean that he never mentions him in any work that I know of

>>12353055
this but unironically

someone explain techonomics

Neo-China when?

>>12337656
Read it, each essay varies in how good they are, some are really interesting, others are actually nonsense

To everyone in the thread mocking the "Capital is sentient" bit:
You have to remember that Land is in a long chain of authors talking about the nature of Capital, obviously it's best to start with Marx. To Marx, money (exchange-value) becomes Capital when it's used to generate more money (such as in the chain money -> commodity -> more money i.e. money used to sell a commodity for more than it was acquired for). Then clearly his Capital was not sentient, and referred only to money with a particular use/intention.

Land is referring to something deeper in this process. Marxist Capital is money invested with the intention of making more money, that is, an alienated form of value being used to generate more of itself. Our planet is being optimized to produce more and more - greater volumes of material, more efficiently. Capitalism among humans has led to an ever accelerating consumption and transformation of material resources, which is converging to mechanical minds. We build increasing complex computer systems to invest, to control the production and flow of commodities, and to control Capital. Where do these computer systems originate from? Investment of Capital. That is, the process of Capitalism, viewed outside of humans, is a process of the development of sentience - an "artificial" sentience.

>>12351529
we have macroeconomic intervention to prevent another great depression, what part of this is mind-control?

>>12351704
>reading non-white "philosophers"

thanks im fine

>>12351814
good luck producing a port in armenia

singapore happened to be the sole deep-water port on the worlds most important trade route, that's its whole "success story"

>>12352738
>everything i dont get is pseud

Capital is sentient

Capital is sentient

sentience is capital

>>12354363
Not soon enough.

>>12353130
delete your account.

since you are in this thread, you are

>more or less well-versed in western philosophy, from newton to deleuze
>financially stable, but not wealthy enough to travel and read as much as you would like
>unsatisfactory sexual life
>unironically intelligent
>more interested in entertainment than truth in philosophy
>enarmored with east asian megacities -- singapore, tokyo, seoul, hong kong, etc
>but not to the point of watching animeme and masturbating to JAV 24/7
>disappointed and/or disinterested in western contemporary popular culture

>>12355372
5 hits, not bad

>>12355372
not even one right, that's depressing datamining-kun

>Already in the 1990s, my interest is in the emancipation of the means of production. I have zero commitment to emancipation in any way defined by our dominant political discourses. I’m not into emancipated human groups, an emancipated human species, who reaches species-being to emancipate human individuals … None of that to me is of the slightest interest, so in using this word of emancipation, sure, I will totally nod along to it if what is meant by that is capital autonomization. I don’t think that’s something that it isn’t already there in the 1990s, but I’m no longer interested in playing weird academic games about this and pretending this is the same thing as what the left really means when they’re talking about emancipation. I don’t think it is. I think what the left means by emancipation is freedom from capital autonomization.

>>12355372
7/8

still hoping for truth.

>>12353080
>r/acc lacks anything like a collective political imperative comparable to radical socialism (or fascism).

That's why I have found myself drifting to Esoteric Hitlerism and Applied Mansonism. Deleuze is but a pale scholarly shade of good old charlie Manson, who actually meant it when he talked about the SchizoWarMachine. The dionysian/cybernetic gnosis of WWII and its firstborn spawn, the 60s counterculture, unconceals the immanent feedback loop of total insurrection (Manson's ATWA, Devi's Hitler as Kalki). Hitlerism is actually the highest form of anarchism. There is nothing more transgressive than Hitler. Why are elites/Bankers/Media/Jews/Pedophiles so afraid of Hitler/Manson? James Mason's SIEGE is the most uncompromising accelerationist text out there.Read SIEGE, Faggot. Helter Skelter is Now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRH9Nf0-Bzw

Worst acc thread in a while

>>12355372
How does one become ironically intelligent?

>>12349429
absolutely based

>>12356246
Become an accelerationst

>>12356090
So everything but „intelligent“?

Bump

>>12356194
gay and slowpilled

>>12337656
Lmao

>>12351337
What's most interesting about this is that he's reached ideas that are (more or less) parallel with accelerationism, but approaches it from the complete opposite side. So I wouldn't call him "landian" for the simple fact that he's still clinging desperately to the human security system

>>12357537
>human security system
what is that supposed to be

read a lot of land, still dont get it

>>12342085
>and the only people who believe/espouse it are genuine schizophrenics
Of course, how else would we escape oedipalization?

>>12344870
link?

>>12339923
>>12340140
Fucking plebs

>>12357598
based

>>12357583
his Urban Futures blog

>>12349513
>I'm already involved with many projects and I don't know anybody in this space that has my outlook.
Do you know of the Urbit project?

>>12357541
You can name it Oedipus, if you want to fall back on antiquated "psychoanalytic" terminology. It's essentially the legacy of stratification that bogs the intellect down with moral stipulations, the academics, priests, generals, managers, family members, etc. telling you where your mind can and can't wander. Those that would wish your thought never reached the inhuman "outside" of philosophy.

>>12351226
>I bet he would non iroincally wear a trench coat

Based

Oh my brothers I have come at the end of Katarsun Tzafrer Urfru, open split end mouth of Ouroboros, Ice cold serotonin sweat of serpent, I HAVE SEEN THE EYES OF KATAK THE OUROBOROS OF RUIN AND IT GOES GOES GOES Kur khalucta. Khecta. Kurkete koto hula. Kurtete 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999

HEAVY NUCLEAR WATER I BATHE IN YOUR FIERY LAVA BLOOD KAKATAKATAKATAKATAKATA KRAKATOA VOLCANIC CTHONIC TRAUMA , PAIN INDUCER. YOUR EYES OH GREAT SERPENT ARE LIKE STROBING LIGHTS KATAKATAKATAKATAKAKATA KATABASIS INTO YOUR ABYSSAL BELLY. OH HERO OF THE DIB NMA GREAT DREAMER ATAKATAKTAKTAKTAKTAKTAK , I HAVE HEARD YOUR CALL AND IT GOES LIKE THIS HSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

K
A
T
A
K

4:5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q22VyQBSlM

I CALL UPON THE DIB NMA ACCURSED ART THOU YET YOU ARE CHILDREN OF THE BRINGER OF RUIN

HIS NAME APOCALYPSE 4:5 KATAK
HEATSEAKER KARTETE. KARAGUNA KHARTA CHARTA.

CATERKU

T̰w̘͉̱͝o̞̭.̷̯̯͔̬̰̮͎ ͍̩͚͙̝͙L̷̠̗o̜͖g̡̜̪̦̜̗i̝̮̫͙̺c̸͍̮s̙̕ ̢̟͉͍o̰͈̫̠̘̻̩f͎͖͔͖̝ ̮̹A͇̻̬̺͚͎xi͍̖o͔̯m͎͈̘̯̪á̞̰̺͍̰͎̹t̟͕̯͇̩͔i͔z̡a̸͚̬̼̙̮tí̙̣̥o͕̙̝͙̞̰n̷̻͔̫̺̮.̜̗͕͉̠̗
̰̮͓̟̥͈F͓̪̗̱i͎͢v̢͍̟̠e̮͚͎̻͖̼͘ ̖͚̣̞͎̱ṭ̘̫̦i̴̱̜̝͓̗m̩͎̤͞e̖̮̮s ̷̬͖̗̬̭t͖̫̬̠w̥̻͖͕o ̟͎̳̹e̼̳̙̹̞̺̻q̙̜̪͚̹͕u̪̩͠a̝̗̟̩͉̻͇l̠̫͓̘̦̯͡s̹͍̘͖̝̘ ̦̠̪̙̪̻͇te̼̠͈̟̜̪̞͢n͕̟̼̠̣̣͜.
̻̺T̪̝̙͞e̷n̶͍̱̠̥ ̤̻̜̣m̷̞͖̹̘̭̮i̴͇n̢̯͓̦ṷ̢̟̣s͎̜͍͠ ̪͙͚̹̝o͚͇̹͕̗ͅn̬̮̠̝̗ȩ̝̳̠̰͚̼̟ ̢͉̰͚͖e̶q͓͕͓͚u̜̱̮̼̠̻̖͜a̸̯͙͕l̩̤͉̫s̤̫̺̥ ̤̻̹̫͍̩n̵̫͕̞̣͇͉in̖e̼̮͚.͓͇̕
͞T̖̙͙̖͎͢ͅe̶̗̦̳͈n͎͙̰̤͖ ̟cͅa̡̼̩nn̤͇̯̞o͕̭̱̖̯͇̣t͍ ̨̖̼̥̼͓c̩̠̣͘o̸̭̖̜͎̱̘̫u͠n̟̮̫̜͈t̷̠̻̪̞ ̹̝̭̘̥͈ͅi̥͎͙̞ͅṯśe̼̪͉̩l̺f̴͖̦̭͖̰̮.


Zone-Two . E.

KATAK RED FLAME ART THOU BRINGER OF RUIN, DELIVER THIS VESSEL I GIVE YOU ARPA DIPPED AND BLOOD DRENCHED AND ALL OF HEARE ART YOUR SERVANTS , OG REAT BRINGER OF CHAOS HAVE MERCY ON US DO NOT BRING YOUR CURSE ON YOUR LEMURIAN CHILDREN, BUT FEAST ON YOUR 10 ENEMIES OH Cthink, Cthonic. Cthexls. Cthksys. Cthosun. Cthosion kchatak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFGai12Zfoc

THE RITUAL HAS BEGUN 1999

9+9+9=27

2+7=9

AVATAR OF RUIN , NIGHT ETERNAL, CHTHONIC MASTER

he comes.........

SNAKE DANCER NUCLEAR CHAOS I AM YOUR SLAVE DELIVERER REDEEMER DREAMER KATAKATAKATAKATAKATACURSER KATATONIΑ

Zone-Three. A.

Kotam.
Kunkhat kut.
Katzur Kat
A khuna kokhatar.
Khaluna akhaluna.
Akhatur

Ο kroma tata kn ni khroma. 0 kha noma okhi no khroma.

666
9 9 9

Λeft hand armed fiery snake eyed bringer of pleasure-pain

LOA

Ascent to Surface

Bring ruin to the 10 heretics.

A̞̘͉̬q̦̜̣u͕̳̻̭͉͙̳a ̝̞̦̰͈̼͟Ḭ̤͈̹̕ṇ̸͚͚̙̗̬c̰̻̞o̴͇̳g̱̱n̫͓̖̗͕̳͖͘i̜̺͙͍̘ṭ̛̥̣a͙͍̰̠̟̯.̜̺̫͎̜̹͈ ̖͡À̻q͇͙͖̹̬̹u͈̞͘a̛̭͉ I̜n̯̰͔c̪͔͚ͅo̭̣̻̳͙̪̼͞g̫̀n̤̗it̝͕͍̰͕a͚̣.͓̝̥͇̖

Explain to me why the AI God isn't the exact same thing as Hegel's fully realized Idea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8hRY5kH-ZE

LEMUR MASTER

PLEX DESIGNER

TIME RIDER

SMOKE BLOOD

HEART SACRIFICER

COILED SERPENT

TWIN HERO

DESCENDING SPIRAL

THE TAK-NMA CALL UNTO YOU AGAIN

>>12352653
Yup, We call it fucking logic. Look It up.

>>12358301
>>12358331
>>12358390
>>12358464
stop with the retarded LARPing

>>12357516
>>/pop/198930752

>>12357516
>>/pol/198930752

>>12357637
seen it, yes. looks a bit stale, not sure

>>12358624
cringe

enjoy eating sentient-AI ass for several eternities.

>>12355372
My sex life is dope on top of all that other shit

>>12358254
>>12358301
Now this is FUCKING BASED.

>>12350159
lol at filename the series of works wasn't supposed to depict the romans

bump