/lit/ - Literature

ironworker, blue ice crab fisher,

>>12316014
Court-appointed lawyer. Tolerable salary, 9-5 hours, somewhat prestigious ‘cause you’re lawyer. Also plays into your talents, since any aspiring writer would presumably have high verbal intelligence.

>>12316014

Teacher

Pharmacist, they dont do shit

>>12316014
Work in the medical field as an NP or PA. In the right scenario, you can work 4 days a week and make 90-115k a year

>>12316224
I work 3 days a week and take home 154k as an NP lol

>>12316014
engineering

>>12316236
you sound like a larper anon. how do you work 3 days a week and get paid one hundred fivty four thousand dollars a year

>>12316258
12 hour shifts and I live in California.

>>12316014
Engineering; one of the industries highest in demand. The relatively high salary enables one to live comfortably on a parttime contract, the degree/experience/skills are easily transferable geographicaly, low chance of office politics, job itself usually semi-solitary and in general low-stress.

>>12316014
Sucking dick for cash if you're a male.
Travel and diplomat if you're a female.

>>12316147
Actually pretty good if you don't want to lose time from writing practice.

>>12316014
Psychiatrist.
Pharmacist (unique and unconventional schedules are possible)
>>12316224
Overcrowding. There is little status to these. You're on par with nurses to most.
>>12316587
This is absolutely false. You are competing against H1B candidates. Sounds like mommy and daddy got you a job or internship initially or you're just a delusional undergrad.
Engineers can expect 50k a year and that's if they're lucky enough to land a job.

>>12316589
Based and dare I say it redpilled

>>12316198
Legal writing is bland 99% of the time. Also it’s exhausting. Also court appointed lawyers work a fuck ton more than 8-5.

key account manager

It's definitely a neet who gambles now and then

>>12316014
Doctor beats everything else in this thread. Just the sheer scope of things you can do, all the people you meet and things you see, the ability to work anywhere and as little/much as you want and still easily beat the average wageslaves earnings.

>>12316610
Might not be true for the US but getting a job in Europe using a community college degree is very easy without a network. No competitiion from imigrants also (though in some larger engineering firms they are more present). I'm being frank.

>>12318091
Europe things are better, I'll give you that much. They do not perform credit checks in most European countries which is nice. I had a job in hand, only to get rejected because my score is bad.
Also nice about Europe, general course of study is 3 years for undergrad rather than 4. So, it's less of an investment of both time and money.

Physician here, It really depends on your specialty and precise occupation. I'm in primary care and I do have the time to read, but some of my colleagues are so burned by work that they even forget to eat at times.

There can be none by definition. If you could make more money in less hours in a nice environment the position would be flooded by candidates and the wages would drop

>>12316224
wats a np and pa

There's none left, really.

Both the law and medicine demand that you essentially devote the prime of your life to them, sacrificing any chance at meaningful literary development over those years. The work itself is often tedious and grueling because it has been highly capitalized.

Wages have dropped massively for basically all white collar jobs, and modern management has people working the jobs of two people or it's basically soul-destroying busywork you can only get by being lucky,

You could try the trades but the physical demands often leave people mentally drained.

There are none anymore unless you were born with a silverspoon

>>12316014
I'm a second rate scientist in geophysics, and that gives me plenty of time for /lit. By second rate I mean I'm one of those academics who just takes existing research and applies it specific topics because I'm too dumb/lazy to innovate basic principles.

>>12318115
Have you tried smaller companies? Usually they are less concerned about grades. Community college in the Netherlands which I assume is equivalent to the Dutch HBO ("hoger beroepsonderwijs") is 4 years. Cost of college is relatively low (about a months salary a year)

>>12317374
MD's are by far inferior to PhD's.

>>12318530

>>12318542
"doctors" without a doctorate degree are just body mechanics. They are also composed mainly of upper middle class status seekers who want prestige associated with education without having the passion required to advance a field in their own right.

How big of a mistake did I make by falling for the Computer Science meme?

>>12316014
Not much "interesting life experience" but my main goal is to become a mid-level civil servant and LARP as Boethius.

>>12318570
Die.

>>12318115
>credit checks for a job
America can be so dystopian sometimes it breaks my heart.

physics.

>>12316610
as a psychiatrist can confirm

>>12316014
part time University/academic science lab technician

>>12318599
>America can be so dystopian sometimes it breaks my heart.
It really can, and it can get far, far worse. Just look at China; they'll soon be checking people's "social credit".

>>12318555
Why do you need to advance the field to be genuine, anon? Aren't the people working in warzones genuine? The ones working against the spread of serious illnesses such as SARS and ebola, and earlier the Spanish Flu? Having people with the drive to better the Big World is very important; but no less important are those who work within the Little World, influencing peoples lives directly.

Besides, this is /lit/; there are plenty good examples of fictional MDs, and real MDs-turned-writers.

>>12318805
>>12316610
Is being a psychiatrist interesting? Do you get “interesting life exepriences” and meet interesting people? I always thought that psychiatrists basically just sit at a desk and prescribe people medications.

>>12318805
>>12319271
Psychiatrist is among the most /lit/ of professions. The only thing I think is more /lit/ is being a priest or monk.

>>12318555
MD = doctor of medicine
PhD = doctor of philosophy
One can do the job of the other if they desire. Guess which one is which.

>>12319287
why though

>>12318364
Nurse Practicioner or Physician’s Assistant

>>12319308
you read and write made up bullshit and sell it for ridiculous amounts of money

>>12316014
If you're okay with earning towards the lesser end of the pay scale, become a librarian. Works for me. Easy and immediate access to books, plenty of quite space for contemplation (given that no one fucking goes to the library anymore), and you can write your novel while pretending to be working on something else because who the fuck is gonna know when you're tapping away at the enquiry desk

>>12316610
You can open your own independent clinic as an NP. It’s just as respected as being an Engineer or Lawyer, without the stress of being a doctor. And with more time to write. Why isn’t that good enough for you?

I don't know how many times this has to be said, but wageslavery isn't /lit/

>>12319369
but it’s also kinda gay

>>12318449
and what is your profession, sir?

>>12318530
What? In any of the things I listed an average PhD is a much shittier deal. Besides, plenty of MD’s have a PhD too.

>>12318555
Hey at least you can sue an MD.

>>12318805
How many of us are here?

>"I want an easy life!"
-nobody who will ever write anything of merit

middle management.
But it takes luck and connections to end there in an actually lasting company a la IBM

>>12320161
not in every state
in some places they can literally chop the wrong leg off and you can't do anything besides pay them for a good job.

How has no one said university professor

>>12318570
Like a diplomat, maybe? You’d get the whole civil servant and you get to travel. Perfect for writing.

>>12320245
Because it doesn't satisfy OP's question. You're devoting 12+ postadolescent years to studying other people's writing and producing none of your own. It's bullshit. Ask anyone who's ever pursued a PhD in the humanities.

NEET in Northern Europe.

Soldier, obviously. How the fuck has nobody said this?

>>12320326
As opposed to spending 12+ postadolescent years becoming an MD and nearly working yourself to death? Or spending 8+ years to do the same thing with law?

Being a nurse or "nurse practitioner" or whatever you want to call it is not high status. Either you're smart and you get a comfy engineering job where you work 6-8 hours a day or you study literature and teach it in college

>>12320410
If I joined the US army for 4-6 years, how hard would it be to get a civilian job (police, private security, etc.) afterwards? What about some mercenary gig?

>>12320464
> "Why has no one said X?"
> 'Because X isn't a good answer.'
> "Well. what about Y and Z? Those are also bad answers."

I'm really not sure where you're coming from. I never endorsed those other careers you mentioned. Regardless, OP said "relatively" high status, which is subjective and (!!) relative—nurse practitioner is higher status than, e.g., customer service manager at Kroger.

>>12319519
How is it gay?

>>12316014
William Carlos Williams was a family med physician, some of his poems were originally jotted down in the margins of medical notes.

>>12316210
Wrong

>>12316014
>What are the best relatively high status, relatively high paying jobs for a writer to work at while writing books on the side? Which jobs offer a reasonable amount of time to write, and provide interesting life experience?
Priest

>>12316014
Working as a security guard, probably. With this you will have plenty of time to read while you are not on patrol.

>>12320840
that’s low status as fuck

>>12320176
>t. 25 year old MBA graduate who thinks has had "serious hardships" writing his super ultra important "work" for super serious literature people

>>12320333

trips can't lie. you'll go insane though

>>12319287
>Psychiatrist
>Mentally sound

Let me tell you, I just came out of a very stormy relationship with a female psychiatrist and while intelligent, she was very far from mentally sound.

It showed me that it doesn't matter what your job is, everyone has loads room for trauma and baggage.

It was the most intensely connected and horribly unhealthy relationship I've ever had. Both of us in our 30's. It was such a tragic irony that a shrink would refuse to get outside help for her known issues.

If she can ever really do that she will be an incredible catch for someone. Beautiful, smart, loving, funny, confident, and ambitious but not too flashy. Kept me trying for longer than I should have and we hurt each other deeply.

>>12320774
This

>>12316014

Clinical Psychologist or psychiatrist

t. psycfag, I don't do shit

>>12322222
What’s her number?

Nice get btw

>>12322222
Nice digits. Also need number. My milf PhD supervisor/PI is being a bitch and I need another mid-30's chick to make her jealous.

>>12322222
>women
>mentally sound

What were you thinking? But to be serious, a lot of women in psychiatry and psychology are there to self-medicate or to become the on who decides who is sick (ie. obviously they aren’t then) Just stick to the nurses.

regards another shrink

>>12322274
>is shrink
I have two questions you may be able to answer. 1. How do you distinguish narcissism from genuine self confidence based on natural ability 2. What is the easiest way to get a script for adderall, assuming you're a shrink in the US?

>>12316014
Postal worker

>>12322288
Narcissism is unfounded confidence, it has no actual merits to back it up. Just a lot of hot air and ”if only thing y would change then I could do x and everyone would see who I really am.” They are people preoccupied with maintaining and selling an identity, not actually becoming anything.

Read the diagnostic criteria for ADHD (DSM-5), come up with a suitable backstory and go to a doctor.

>>12322222
>If she can ever really do that she will be an incredible catch for someone.

>in her 30's
>"incredible catch"

lol yeah buddy, she's gonna take it to the next level when she figures out her issues just in time to hit menopause

>>12322274

Poster of >>12322222 here

I have since had similar advice from friends of friends, they know female psychologists or psychiatrists and would not recommend anyone date them.

I also have a family member around my own age who had intense childhood trauma and that seemed to spur her to do quite well in psychology, now an assistant professor and doing big things from what I've seen over FB (not close to her).


>What were you thinking?

Tell me about it, I dug my own grave. The highs were very high but it will serve as a reminder of why I knew she wasn't good to get involved with (I forged ahead despite the red flags we both acknowledged were there).

>>12322222
>It showed me that it doesn't matter what your job is, everyone has loads room for trauma and baggage.
How was this even a question? A whole bunch of people with high level degrees are messed up to some degree, although I guess it gets weeded out for MD's. Everyone in my PhD program is nuts to some extent, as are the majority of faculty.

>>12322318
Thanks, I had one more question actually. Is it something discussed in your field that your profession serves as an economic gatekeeper? Going through undergrad and grad school now, I notice that the higher I go, the more people in my circle I know that had shrinks since childhood. They have access to a number of drugs that allow them to stay functional in high pressure environments, especially adderall and propanalol. My family and many other lower mid class families I know don't believe in psych medecine and/or couldn't afford it, so their kids never got these performance enhancing substances. I had to experiment illegally to find them. Seems like a major bottleneck for kids in these backgrounds

>>12322414
Was just responding to the meme image "Mentally sound" claim, that's all.

>>12322400
She's got a child already. Good luck to the next guy. She's literally just unblocked me, sent me a spiteful and hurtful message about sleeping with someone new, then blocked me again, demonstrating how emotionally immature and spiteful she is.

Crazy in the head, crazy in bed! Best sex I've ever had...but a connection so intense is unlikely to be healthy!

>>12316208
Teacher here. It's relatively easy to get into if you have half a brain.

Here in Aus, it's very easy to get qualified and start immediately earning a very comfortable income either in a regional school, or any "challenging" school (where you will spend more time babysitting kids with intellectual, social and emotional problems and less time educating anyone).

Drawbacks are that it takes up a lot of time and mental space if you care about what you're doing, which you should. And it's easy to get frustrated with the NPCs, spuds and cynics that this field attracts, even when they're a minority of your fellow staff.

If your country doesn't remunerate teachers as generously as mine, international recruiters are always looking for English-speaking teachers -- just be wary of the reasons that e.g. people in the UK are all refusing to go into teaching themselves.

I've just spent my first year out lacking the mental energy to write much, but now I've found my feet, I feel a lot more comfortable putting time aside for hobbies.

It all gets easier the more you do it, helping students learn is genuinely very rewarding if you care about the next generation, and you don't have to work full-time like I did to earn a living, if you're frugal or have a partner to combine incomes with.

This is the most boomer thread I've seen in a long time.

Why do any of you white-collar boomers think you're ever going to write anything good? What do you have to say?

>>12316602
>writing practice
Cringe

>>12319323
Based

>>12316014
Diplomat

>>12322431
Eh, I think it’s fairly insignificant as those drugs don’t actually offer much actual performance increase over a longer time. After a few years of use Adderal is equivelant to placebo if you compare academic performance. The effects will also be much smaller for in people without an actual condition and most people use them in very unefficient way. I don’t move in very academic circles but I know a fair number of very succesful entrepreneurs who come from middle class backrounds, and the whole nootropic scene( adderal, lsd microdosing, etc.) is a common laughinstock.

>>12322222
>female psychiatrist
>Both of us in our 30's
Females should not be physicians.
You're discounting our profession on behalf of a washed-up roasty.

cooywriter at a nice ad agency

good money, beautiful people, and you’re always sharpening your vocabulary and mediation skills since all your work is text related. just stay off the coke

>>12323272
Not saying you're wrong, but any study would have to control for uneducated and unmonitored usage. With Adderall, you can dose 5-7mg in either direction and you either won't feel it or you'll tweak out and watch Netflix all morning and give yourself a splitting migraine by noon because you didn't hydrate properly so you sleep it off the rest of the day and miss the text from your girlfriend reminding you to pick her up from work and six months later she leaves you and even though she tells you it's not because she doesn't love you anymore and it's simply that her life is going in a different direction from yours you both know deep down that it's because she realized the truth of what you've been telling her subtly for the past three years: you're a shit person and she's better off without you.

Anyway, it's important to dose properly. Without the aid of a medical professional, you're likely to fuck up your baselines or raise your tolerance to an unhealthy level.

>>12316224
Smart although I'm trying for the niche neuropsychology route instead as a close equivalent. I guess I'm modeling myself after Oliver Sacks at this point.
>>12316610
/lit/ has a weird and unrealistic fixation with psychiatry that's founded in psychiatry 50 years ago rather than psychiatry today. Modern psychiatrists are walking pill mills who speak to their patients for 15 minutes at a time unless they're working with the hyper wealthy. It's an essentially boring discipline which would be completely unable to function without other specialists such as clinical psychologists, neurologists, neuropsychologists, NP's, PA's, etc.
>>12317374
MD's beat other things in this thread in regards to money earned for educational attainment, but not for writing schedules. I have never met a doctor who reads, let alone writes; the medical school lifestyle (and the type of people who would go to medical school) filters out anybody who values anything like literature or art. A literary MD is a very rare type of person.
>>12318449
This, if you're going medical and you value aesthetic work you should do the shortest medical route you can so that you can earn moderately well without selling your soul.
>>12318805
>>12319287
>>12319323
>>12320165
LARPers.
>>12322222
First realistic post. Being interested in mental health problems and being regularly exposed to mental health problems is probably unhealthy for most people. There are negatives to these things that the adolescents on /lit/ can't conceive of.
>>12322414
Well yeah, academia is not normal. To be able to sufficiently obsess over particular subjects for years and to deal with all of the other rigmarole it helps to have an anxiety disorder, keeps you focused. If any of you are still in college, pay close attention to your professors and notice how most of them have nervous dispositions: academia selects for that. Actually adventurous people don't have the attention span.

One might say that the best would be to a publisher, but truly the best by far is to be an Italian.

>>12316014
Professor, put your philosophy degree (I know you have one) at good use.

>>12323358
And other specialties, the overwhelming majority of your patients are old people, old people, old people and old people, unless you are in pediatrics which is even worse than old people. There is no reward in treating them. Deep down you know it is wasteful, morally unjustifiable, and an affront to nature to buy them another 2 or 3 years.

trader in financial markets

>>12323358
>I have never met a doctor who reads, let alone writes; the medical school lifestyle (and the type of people who would go to medical school) filters out anybody who values anything like literature or art. A literary MD is a very rare type of person.

I have to disagree. I’d bet your average MD is better read than pretty much any other profession or major outside of the humanities. The writing schedule thing is completely up to you as well. I work 16 hours a week and still bring in around 180k annually.

Your views on psychiatry are

>>12323779
Your views on psychiatry are mainly correct, but hospitals are not everything and the upper middle class is hardly the hyper wealthy. There is also the more niche stuff like forensic etc. which have very little to do with 15 min med checks.

definitely not being an accountant, this shit is the worst

>>12323331
The studies mainly compare drugs+therapy vs. just drugs or therapy. The combination is the only one that produces academic benefits that last more than a few years. Naturally these studies are conducted with oversight by medical professionals.

There are significant problems with dosing, but I think the biggest problem is the highly inefficient usage of the drug. Most people don’t even seem to realize that it is a general stimulant. The best results are obtained with sparse usage in only situations very similar to the actual situations in which you need high performance, for example practice tests etc.

>>12316014
Prostitute

>>12323906
Eh you get pretty much the same deal by just being a customer.

>>12318517
What level degree do you have? Im studying geophysics undergrad and grinding out academic work sounds cosy

I've been thinking of going into diplomacy.

Do any of you losers have experience in that? I'm in the U.S.

>>12320774
Based and vicarpilled

>>12323490
Not sure if I totally agree with this but I have little exposure to that field so I may be mistaken. My general feeling is that the US does a poor job of caring for its elderly, what with relegating them to resthomes or abandoning them to solitude to socially and intellectually rot and wither instead of keeping them enmeshed in a healthy social network in which they will stay mentally with it longer and maybe even contribute wisdoms to the young.

But I haven't worked geriatric care.
>>12323779
>>12323800
>I have to disagree. I’d bet your average MD is better read than pretty much any other profession or major outside of the humanities. The writing schedule thing is completely up to you as well. I work 16 hours a week and still bring in around 180k annually.
I'm not saying a literary MD is impossible, just unlikely relative to other intelligent, educated people. MD type intelligence is the furthest thing from the intelligence of complex aesthetic impulse; a person can cultivate both, but it is the exception.

I can submit to the thought that MD's could be better read than the average person, but that's just because they're smart. Smart people usually read more than average.
>Your views on psychiatry are mainly correct, but hospitals are not everything and the upper middle class is hardly the hyper wealthy.
"Upper middle class" is an extremely vague term which even 95th income percentile types attempt to apply to themselves. Per global average, the American "upper middle class" is absurdly and unnecessarily wealthy and is as such an extremely niche population which recieves the most care despite having the least need.

But if I do go neuropsych, I'll probably work with those people too. Poor people can't afford treatment for neurological problems.

>>12324005
> Hi, Mr. Anon?
> We've, uh—here, please, have a seat.
> We've finished your background check, and I'm sorry to say we've come across a few... inconsistencies?
> For one, can you tell us a bit about "four chan dot org forward slash lit"? It seems to crop up quite a bit in your search history.
> As well, you seem... intimately familiar... with, and please excuse my language, the phrase "fash nigger kikelover"?
> Sir, believe me when I—sir, Mr. Anon, please keep your pants on.
> Janet? Janet, call security.
> Mr. Anon, it goes without saying tha—sir, please, stop defecating on the sofa.
> What? Who's Pynchon? Hemingway was a hack? He should be removed from "the cannon"? What cannon?!

>>12324045
>MD type intelligence
As opposed to Engineer type intelligence? I'm not sure what your point is, anon - what are MDs like according to you?

>>12324057
I don't seriously believe they'd dig into my internet trail so much. Even then, my posts here are pretty tame. I'm only 18, so it's hard to believe by the time I am in the position to apply for such a position they'd go as far as to see I was on some fringe anti-culture website.

>>12324077
Subscription to fringe counterculture websites is precisely the kind of thing they would not want to see in such a job candidate.

>>12324066
I would class them similarly, actually, the medical doctor and the engineer. A kind of stable conservatism and patience of temperament, a disciplined willingness to sift through cold hard information and devote it to memory and be able to call it to mind at will for testing and for medical practice. And this isn't purely a kind of intelligence you're endowed with, it is also learned, cultivated, and the type of intellectual endeavors you are skilled in depends on how you spend your time, what you choose to cultivate. Linguistic ability and mathematical ability are not the same, nor is driving a car and flying a plane. One can learn both, but the medical doctor or engineer is less likely to engage in aesthetic pursuits due to the immense intellectual toil put into their disciplines. A well-rounded person is skilled and well-versed in many things, but nobody has time to be good at everything, especially given modern academia's anti-polymath trend of hyperspecialization.

>>12323272
microdosing is bullshit. Adderall however has changed my life. I went through undergrad with a maximum work span of maybe 2 hours a day. With amphetamines I can work up to 10-14 if I take my maximum of 45 mg a day spaced out into three doses. I've found that taking propanalol removes most of the negative side effects and additional anxiety.

Propanalol overall is the most helpful drug I've ever taken though in it's own right. It literally made social interaction something that's possible for me. No more shaking, no more panic in any social situation. I can't imagine how life would be if I didn't have friend who introduced me to it.

>>12324167
Make sure you take CoQ10 with it. Propranolol inhibits its synthesis, and adversely affects mitochondrial metabolism in some instances. Especially of concern being on a CNS stimulant.

>>12324167
>microdosing is bullshit
This is true. 5-HT2A agonists/antagonists both incur rapid tolerance making it a theraputic target almost a laughable concept unless it is in respect to homeostatic alterations, which may be true IIRC, decreased 5-HT2Ar density may be theraputic for depression.

There are few high paid/status jobs that aren't demanding in terms of time or stress.

I work as a science journalist, which is neither highly paid nor high status, but I never work overtime and it allows me to hone my skills. I wish I could write for a philosophy, politics or history magazine though.

>>12324187
I've heard people claiming that it increases focus, but when I experimented with it in undergrad (taking 10 - 20 ug lsd doses) it actually significantly reduced my ability to focus to the point where I got no work done at all, and the whole time I felt slightly confused, not full trip level but almost like severe sleep deprivation.

>>12322222
It's well known that Psychiatry attracks medical students with underlying psychiatric and more commonly psychological issues.

>>12324222
>science journalist
pls learn how probability and statistics works or switch job
gabish?
t.industrial scientist

Let's be clear here - you are never going to "write books".

>>12324222
Would it be achievable for me to do science journalism pseudonymously as a side hustle?

>>12316587
All of this is entirely false if you're dealing with software development.

>>12323824
I was considering accounting but switched to English at the last moment. Accounting is bad you say? Personally, I switched because a business-cubicle job sucks, having to wear suit & tie sucks, capitalism itself sucks and it felt too hypocritical going into something that's all about it.

>>12322529
>but a connection so intense is unlikely to be healthy!
medfag here. Damn she sounds like me. Hopefully I can get someone like her in the future. Best case we die together :)

>>12324422
He said 'engineering'

Trader or quant. Make your millions then boom! No more work for the rest of your life

>>12325325
Idiot.

>>12325375
why?
pls no bully

>>12325482
You're not going to make millions as one unless you're talking about your own money which is a gamble ultimately unless you have insider information. Stock floor traders do not make much, less than IB. And all of these financial careers, require connections and not talent. If you're Joe Smoe from the University of Nebraska they're going to laugh at you and throw your application in the garbage. Unless you're an EEOC case from a top tier university.
Anyone who wants to make money should consider medicine.

>>12325522
some1ns been reading taleb ahaha

>>12325522
What about being a quant?

>>12316014
Thinly aesthetic failed novelist sugar baby emotional supported by mommy

>>12325522
Spoken like someone with zero financial knowledge and just wants to shitpost.
>doctor fag
Checks out.

>>12316818
hahahahaa no they don't.

>>12320410
Because this board can’t be bothered with any physical work.

I got rejected from medical school in Canada. Should I pick a different career through the grad school route, and possibly reapply after a masters, or go study in Australia?

What about actuary? Exams are pretty bad but they don't last forever. 37.5 hrs a week at an insurance company and basically guaranteed to hit six figures at some point in your career.

Dermatologists

Make 500K and work 3 times a week

>>12326857

Similar boat. It's nearly impossible to get into a Canadian school here unless you have near perfect grades. Also we barely have any med schoolw compared to the USA which has 100+. I'm probably going to go the Aussie route and just stay there for residency. I want to be a psychiatrist I think. Coming back to Canada afterwards for residency though is a near impossible fucking nightmare. Be warned.

PS: Griffith and Wollongon are the 2 Aussie med programs which are a bit cheaper. About 250k so comparable to the USA. The rest are 300k+.

>>12327101
>be dermatologist
>make 500k
>look at some dimwit trophy wife's ass pimples

nope, I'd rather be poor

>>12324222
How did you get that

>>12316014
Get a corporate job that has deadlines for projects. Finish projects early and then read. Refuse any offers for promotion.

>>12327340
My last two years were 3.9, 3.7 in second year, 3.3 in first — sadly.

I didn’t have an MCAT score high enough for Western. Probably rejected from Queens for my ECs.

>>12327783
Another thing I’m considering is rewriting MCAT, and doing a masters in Calvary to be counted as in-province for UoC, but I don’t know if it’s a good idea — haven’t heard it mentioned around much.

>>12327804
>Calvary
Calgary*

>>12316014
>high status
>interesting life experience
pick one, nerds

>>12327804
>>12327783

Literally me. Considering moving to Calgary to do an MA so I'll be an IP applicant. But I am already 23. The thought of being able to have my MD in Australia by 28 vs being probably 27/28 by the time I start applying to U of C med and maaaybe getting in is daunting as fuck.

>>12328071
How long ago did you graduate anon

>>12324045
End of life care represents 70% of healthcare spending in US.
Elderly healthcare (65+) represents 95% of heath care spending.

>>12327361
This.

>>12328167

Finishing this year, you?

>>12328071
Don't count age with respects to charting your career in life. It used to cause me so much stress being worried about graduating medical school by x date or whether I should do this or that.

>>12328399

Thank you anon, sometimes I get ahead of myself. I've always set certain goals and the main one is I just want to be done with school by 30. But you're right, it helps to hear this from someone else.

>>12318563
I also wonder this, someone please reassure me

>>12323291

Females make better physicians than males as they are naturally higher in empathy. Medicine is a humanistic career, take your incel fueled hatred towards females and shove it up your ass your kissless faggot.

>>12328633
Seems like you're the one lacking empathy and filled with hatred.

>>12316014
>Hey guys I simply want a prestigious, highly-paid job with lots of spare time!
Simple, be born rich

>>12318563
>>12328591
Don't worry anons you made the right choice. Where I live a mid-level developer makes 100k.

>>12316014
Dentistry is by far the best profession when it comes to money earned for hours spent working. You can make fat stacks even as a part time dentist. Ive also met some dentists who work 3 days but work 12 hour days so they effectively work full-time, at least when it comes to the paycheck they get.

>>12328642

I have 0 empathy towards a bunch of entitled, repulsive faggots who are bitter towards an entire sex because they can't get laid. Fuck off.

>>12328660
And you need connections.
And do you know what is meant by "mid-level"?
**MUST HAVE***
>BS (preferably master's)
>5-7 years experience in a comparable role
Even if you have these qualifications, you cannot simply waltz into an interview unless you're an EEOC case.

Banking on a "mid-level" career is a gamble. All things considered, getting there is going to take 5-10 years, and by that time, you could have further studied for something that assuredly pays twice a much, and is 100x more enjoyable, and something where you actually hold leverage.

My biggest mistake was going to the workforce after graduating. Employers only wanted to dish out a measly 35-40k starting, which isn't worth suffering through on the off-chance of landing some semi-decent job some 8 years down the road, which by then, H1Bs would be able to work for half of what is being asked anyways.

>>12328727
>must have BS/MS and 5-7 years experience
Total bullshit.

>>12322569
going into my 2nd year of educ and arts, thanks for sharing. Been having my doubts about what's taught (equity, social justice, homogeny) in class and just hope the classroom is different

>**MUST HAVE**
>**MUST**
>**REQUIRED**
>**AT LEAST** (TRIPLE UNDERLINED)
>**MINIMUM**
>**MANDATORY**
>**NEEDED**

i'm working part-time in a grocery store deli and you pseuds made me feel good about it by comparison
thanks /lit/

>>12328727
So... you're saying instead of getting a 35k job I should just stick to my 15k hospitality job while completing another degree? And when do I get to live and have time to spare?

Honestly after saving a few thousand I'm considering going full-blown Guenon and moving to some subsaharan shit hole where life is cheap enough to live day to day, where I can get to read and write until my inevitably early death.

The real answer is to become an officer in the military. As a bonus you get retirement checks you can use to live comfortably outside the rat race like >>12328868 said.

>>12319361
I considered becoming a librarian, but where I’m from it’s really difficult to find a job as one. It sucks.

>>12328812
>Been having my doubts about what's taught (equity, social justice, homogeny) in class and just hope the classroom is different

It's not going to be. Of course mass education is going to be focused on those things.

>>12328868
>So... you're saying instead of getting a 35k job I should just stick to my 15k hospitality job while completing another degree? And when do I get to live and have time to spare?
You can get that 15k at in untaxed COLA bux allotment from Grad School Plus loans.

bumping this

I'm in a similar situation. But it looks like there isn't any easy solution :(

>>12316014
Entomology could be a contender if you're not particularly interested in the field or passionate about it. It's not very hard work, if I'm sampling it tends to be once a week and actual identification is piss easy provided there are actually keys for what you find. If you are passionate about it, however, you'll ended up on 12 hour days the majority of the week. Either way, pay is descent, ain't no doctors wages but the field is in desperate need of entomologists and you only really need a good eye for detail and some fine motor control/ hand eye coordination.

>>12324127
I agree honestly. Just the admissions process in North America is enough to weed out most doctors who don't have a hyperspecialized focus in one thing

>>12328710
yikes, major cringe from you lad, please never post on /lit/ ever again

>>12332126
Kys incel

>>12331901
The way med school works in america seems very different from the way it works here. You still need like 98th percentile SAT scores in my country, but there's no insane bullshit; you just need a high enough SAT score and/or grades from gymnasium (16-19).

>>12316236
Are you a dude?

What’s it like being a dude NP? I’ve thought of this route before myself, life sounds pretty /comfy/

>>12328662
Are you a dentist?

wuts the life liek

>>12316014
Fireman, Postal Worker, English teacher / prof

Remote developer

- extreme work-life balance
- no personal interaction with outside society more than absolutely necessary
- skills and certifications easily transferable to other jobs in the tech industry
- shitpost on 4chan while at "work"

Digital nomad is a meme. My goal is to become a digital monk, living a Spartan life in a low cost of living area where the mediocre salary will be more than adequate. Plenty of time for reading and writing, plenty of isolation, and an income

Only real problem is that the work is mostly freelance and becoming increasingly competitive. Citizenship in a first world country, connections, and actual coding skills will help you get one over the pajeets, but it's still a dogfight

>>12316014
Where do you think ER nurse sits on that scale?

>>12333061
Dentists have the highest suicide rate of any profession.

>>12334007
again, nurses are gay

>>12318466
>the NEET actually believes this

>>12332776
I mean, we joke that people that get flustered and drop the incel word are generally the incels, but I don't think any of us had seen actual evidence of that conclusion until you came in and went full omega virgin on us. Trust the other anons, this path is not going to get you laid, work a little on your self image and become relaxed with who you are and you'll get past that pesky incel territory and into occasional relationship status.

>>12334074
Yeah but lawyers are the most alcoholic. Check and mate motherfuckerrrrr

>>12332798
>gymnasium (16-19)
>tfw when you had to go to high school and european kids just worked out for three years

>>12328906
Wtf is cola bux allotment

Also i've maxed out on loans already (not from us)

>>12335147
Cost of Living Allotment.
The school has it tabulated, most average around $15000. Most people do not opt for the full amount. Unlike undergrad loans, anyone can take the full extent of the Grad Plus Loans out.

>>12335137
I wish; maybe I'd be /fitlit/ if that was the case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnasium_(school)

Bump

>>12335147
You can't max out grad plus loans in the US.
:)
LOL