/lit/ - Literature

>>12303364
Which morally good valuses? Make a brief list

>>12303364
>Was he mentally ill

He was a weeb so yes.

Mentally ill. It doesn't take a Psychiatrist to know that

>>12303368
Nationalism, pragmatism, discipline, love for beauty, nature, and physical strength, acknowledgement of the spiritual, and the desire to foster those values within others. I’m coming to adopt a lot of these same values, but Mishima’s life deeply disturbs me.

>>12303407
Yeah those values are good but his enviroment and maybe some bad luck made him unable to truly fulfil them.
It disturbs him because since you were born you were bombarded by psychological warfare (if you hate BAD THING you secretly are BAD THING!).
Such is the life in the worst age for humankind

>>12303421
I meant it disturbs you*.
It makes you doubtful and insecure

>>12303407
He probably had deep depression and regret for not serving and dying during the Pacific War. Depression is obvious a mental illness, but moreso he seemed like a haunted man. Also his father was pretty abusive towards him. And I don't know what it was like to be a homosexual in Japan at that time, or even now, but that probably compounded it.

>I’m coming to adopt a lot of these same values, but Mishima’s life deeply disturbs me.
Please don't anything stupid, anon.

>>12303407
It doesn't disturb me as much make me feel distance. He had a substantial sense of his self-generated importance, and unfortunately tragedy was much more in style than absurdity at that time and place, mainly in the short vicinity of Misama's sphere of concern. He suffered from doestoyesque and plagiarized more of neet in his national circus spectacle. It was beyond art in its end as he connects to his history, so I feel for him, but what useless ego. A man master in his mindseye and a fool in the world except in the attention of the masses. Truely a societial prob.

>>12303421
>>12303428
Thanks for the feedback, anons.
>please don’t do anything stupid, anon.
I appreciate your concern, and I wouldn’t call myself a nationalist, or even someone who’s interested in politics. I disagree with Mishima’s aim to reform society to share his values, because I believe collectivism to be evil. Once you recognize the failings of modernity, what seems morally right is to express yourself through contributions, like artwork, writing, or even philosophically-guided scientific contributions, to inspire change on an individual level in those who relate to your message. My concern came from watching Schrader’s movie about him and recognizing individual similarities, like the obsession with societal degeneracy, aesthetics, discipline, suffering, and so forth, even bodybuilding. Like you said, his values seemed to stem from an awful place.

>>12303364
>Was his life a perversion of morally good values, or are those values inherently immoral?
Moralists cannot even come close to understanding Mishima

>>12303506
>Like you said, his values seemed to stem from an awful place.

I don't necessarily agree with his views or actions either, but I feel a little softer and sympathetic towards him. He was just a man outside his time; he should have been alive when the samurai were still relevant.

He was a reactionary. His values were becoming quickly outdated and immoral and he wanted to show the world that he wouldn't be defined by the age he lived in.

Its spelled out fairly clearly in Spring Snow and Runaway Horses

>>12303506
>I believe collectivism to be evil
yikes

>>12303506
I suggest you keep lifting and read Spengler
Also every human society is collectivist

I'm in a similar boat, friend. Going to the gym has helped me out immensely. If you consider the mind-muscle connection required for good exercise form, I believe there is a similar spirit-mind and spirit-muscle form that you develop along the way. A triad worth seeking out.

>>12303619
I like this photo :3

>>12305224
Have another, on the house.

>>12305239
You've made my day, anon

>>12305247
You too.

>>12303619
Would he have fit in during that time? He faked tuberculosis to get out of the draft, despite claiming that he wanted to die for the country.

>>12303657
>>12305199
No worries, we all share the conquest for physical, mental, and spiritual gains for the rest of our lives.
Also, I believe society to be evil, but I believe anarchy to also be evil because it requires societal reform which in itself is a collectivist task. Individuals should be more concerned with the spiritual as opposed to the material

>>12303364
hi

>>12305748
Sup

>>12305744
So basically you're a solipsistic nunce who has no clear perception of reality around you or vision for the future, and you expect to be taken seriously by people who do (regardless of the merits of their vision).

>>12303407
He wasn't pragmatic in the slightest.

>>12306909
He wanted to be and viewed himself as such
>>12306899
Nah I despise solipsism

>>12303364

Homosexuality isn't a mental illness anymore OP

>>12306961
Kek i didn’t mean to refer to that

>>12306961
How come? What scientific discoveries led to its status being reappraised?

Did he really believe in all that stuff of power, nationalism, heroic death? wasn't he just coping with his homosexuality and childhood "betaness" ?

He was being ironic

>>12307006

Early editions of the DSM used to list homosexuality as a mental illness. I guess the psychiatrists and consultants for it over time just realized it's a part of human nature and dropped it.

>hurr durr i don't know how modern politics work
>compensates to oblivion then end himself
Sounds pretty based by 4chinks standards.

>>12305737
>He faked tuberculosis to get out of the draft

That's seems like something he probably regretted greatly. A stupid decision me made as a youth that haunted him for the rest of his days. He was full of contradictions, possibly to the point of hypocrisy. Or it may have been that he was just always very conflicted and had no real clue what to do.

>>12307008
He didn’t seem insecure about his homosexuality. He knew he was gay since he was young and regularly went to gay bars. He did keep it secret from society for the sake of his reputation and married a woman after he was encouraged to by other people. Although, like the catposter said, he was haunted for his entire life by his decision to fake illness during the draft

>sad because he wasn't fodder canon

>>12306949
So you despise solipsism, but view both collectivism (actualization through the social group) and anarchy (supreme sovereignty of the individual) as fundamentally evil. Both anarchy and collectivism can be evil, but you have effectively left no options for the existence of non-evil except inwardly through the pacified self.

>>12307201
Anarchy is a pure fantasy. Collectivisn is real.
You can only be an individual with no rules in a society with rules, thid is what op meant

Nice spooks nerds.