/lit/ - Literature

>>12287271
Did someone say technological society?

it's become far more relevant than ever, but you have to try and keep up

WE
LIVE

>>12287271
AND YOU DON’T SEEM TO UNDERSTAAAAAAAND

>>12287271
WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY

>>12287271
what is the lit equivalent to lain?

>>12287289
You probably don’t understand the section in binary

>>12287346
probably gibson, but I couldn't pick a novel of his

>>12287276
>Democracy in such a society can only be a mere appearance. Even now, we see in propaganda the premises of such a state of affairs. When it comes to state propaganda, there is no longer any question of democracy.

No matter where you go, everybody's connected.

>>12287271
Literature IS technology

>>12287403
kek, no, gibson is empty as it gets, just fun concepts for characters someone else should had written.

>>12287346
The Society of the Spectacle

>>12287346
lain was conceived as a split project in the anime, video game and musical score, yet the idea of it allows it to be translated to any form
but it hasn't crystallised in a literary form, why is that?

>>12287271
The ability to retain the ability to read long form literature in this era confers an overwhelming attentional advantage over most people in your age group. If you want to be a leader you have to make time to read , or else you're going to be foo short fuse to be anything but a follower.

>>12287423
but in the new world it has been deposed in many areas by more efficient communications technology

Literary fiction is primarily a sort of strange cultural posturing. I'm not sure I can express what I mean but if you feel completely alienated from it then you probably get the gist in some way. It's not relevant and never will be relevant, outside of its intended circular poseur audience.

>>12287459
>by more efficient communications technology
more seductive, you mean

>>12287496
literary fiction is just stuff without a genre
if you think that anything that isn't genre fiction has to be fake then you're fighting really hard to convince yourself you're not retarded

>>12287444
The manga

>>12287503
efficiency depends on the objective after all

>>12287506
Genre fiction is in indeed not fake in this way, but on the other hand it's awful.

>>12287507
>manga is literature

>>12287289
what the fuck

Society won't out last the relevancy of literature.

>>12287289
So this is what a 0.5 gram gagger looks like when translated into written form

>>12287271
read shit on the computer

>>12287853
natsuki best girl!

>>12288049
t. pedo homosexual

>>12288050
I read the VN when I was 17 so I don’t feel too much shame about it

As our perception of the world around us become more and more attuned to that which lies behind a screen, and thus can be easily manipulated and twisted, as if that which didnt exist always had, or that the most time-weathered facts had never existed at all, there exists a power and pertienence to that which is written and printed permanently into the physical world
While true, there might be the fact that the manuscripts can be altered and changed to where a book resembles nothing of itself, there will always exist that permanent print to stand against the ever-shifting information chaos of the modern age

>>12287271
literature is a technology

>>12287289
we should spam Nick with lain pics on twitter until he watches it

>>12287363
because it’s not binary any more than 182747382837382 is decimal (missing a 9 so it could be nonary also). That “binary” isn’t spelling anything out and there’s no other hint as to what base it is

It’s just drug induced nonsense

>>12287271
It can't? There's a reason books have been rapidly declining as a medium. They've already been reduced to the point where 90% of books released are basically just rough drafts for their film adaptation. Literature as medium will be completely extinct outside of academic circles within the next 30 years.

>>12288316
Books in general are selling more. Fiction is declining. Non-fiction/autobiography is massive.

>>12287289
This is absolutely correct; as technology renders man less and more atomized, literature becomes a kind of protest movement to keep man 'man' --to protest counter this statement as brutally and as ignorantly as the anons who've responded to this bit HAVE up to this point merely manifests their defeat or ruin. There are many other boards here, these anons should gtfo /lit/.

Not to go too Ted, but I strongly believe that as we head into 2020 we'll start seeing a personal, individual, push-back against over-technologisation of life.

I for one have decided that I'm going to spend 2019 using computers (and the web) significantly less than I do now, and I know that there's a rising skepticism over social media and its effects on people via neuroplasticity.

>>12287422
Everything's connected
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qImHuiYnVQ0

>>12288757
Hah, too much money riding on this shit. The economical opportunities of the future are in technology, so all the talented people will only get mired deeper into this shit as time goes on.

>>12287271
Literature is basically a collection of information. Technological society rather helps to spread it, so literature doesn't even need to try staying relevant. It will always be, no matter the form.

>>12288757
>I for one have decided that I'm going to spend 2019 using computers (and the web) significantly less than I do now, and I know that there's a rising skepticism over social media and its effects on people via neuroplasticity.

Same man, but that's maybe just getting older - teenagers still use this shit like its heroin.

>>12288790
That sounds hopelessly naïve and egalitarian.

>>12288757
I could see going social media-free becoming the hot new fad like organic food. But much like any new technology eventually it and we will mature so that it can be used safely and sensibly.

>>12287271

I think as we move forward more and more different fields will become irrelevant as data sciences will find the solutions. This also means that a few subset of the population will be the ones who lead the direction of humanity i.e. technologists. The only people who will also be able to become leaders are well read people in philosophy who can influence the thoughts of technologists or better yet being a technologist who also knows literature.

>>12288826
How do you broadcast going social media-free?

>>12287333
A SHAME YOU SEEMED AN HONEST MAAAAAN

>>12288989
>make a long "I'm taking a break from social media" post
>a week later make a long "I failed but that's okay because I tried and I learned some things" post
>rinse and repeat until you find something else to fill the void of a boring life

>>12288989
Have a traditional blog or website.

>>12287271
>how can literature remain relevant in an increasingly technological society
It can't. It's already gasping for air.

>>12288288
>that binary isn’t spelling anything out
False.

And the section with the hashtags is Morse code

>>12289011
So basically we just go back to myspace?

>>12289031
No, I said traditional blogs and websites.

>>12289038
I don’t really see a difference. If everyone just has a wordpress page what differentiates it from other social media?

>>12289049
>I don’t really see a difference.
Really? You don't see any difference between something like this https://danluu.com/ and MySpace?

Can you give me quick rundown on this anime so I can act smug and dismissive when people talk about it.

>>12287271
because literature allows and forces you to slowly process the information and therefore mold a more thorough and nuanced viewpoint, as well as a diversified and emotionally touching philosophy.

fast paced media can't do this.

now give me you's for my parroted answer

>>12289057
some pretentious tryhard psychological/metaphysical shit like evangelion, i didn't make it through either

>>12289057
It's about a cute girl who builds computers in a bear suit.

>>12289053
Okay, now I got what you meant.
You really think people would go back to static web pages instead of blogger, wordpress etc?

>>12289063
It's also worth remembering that due to neuroplasticity people are unable to properly create that slow portrayal of information. A lot of modern writing (mainly in journalism) almost seems like a sequence of tweets, and less like a flowing piece of information.

>>12289066
Then she becomes the internet and a ghost

Simultaneously

Solid show

>>12289068
>You really think people would go back to static web pages instead of blogger, wordpress etc?
Why not? I'm old enough to remember when people said smart phones would never take off because people "wont want to stare at a tiny screen for hours a day."

All that really needs to happen is for people to think of the web more as a publication platform, which is really what it was meant to be originally. You could almost call it "web fundamentalism."

>>12289081
>>12289066
Why the FUCK are people okay with watching anime?

>>12287271
It can't.

>>12289085
J. Konaka's work is pretty much the most /lit/ anime ever got.

>>12289085
>>12289066
>>12289065
>/lit/ can't understand lain
proof literature is obsolete

>>12289085
>posts on an anime website

>>12289117
This isnt an anime website, fuck it’s not even a Japanese website

All peak human literature has already been written. It's like paintings, the best is apinted already and theres never going to be another original masterpiece anymore.

build a great collection literature and you're set for life

>>12289131
>This isnt an anime website

>>12289142
Posting some retarded Japanese cartoon picture won’t change what I’ve said from being the truth.

>>12289174
>During 4chan's earliest days, it had only two boards: "/a/ – Anime/General" and "/b/ – Anime/Random"

>>12289189
The past doesn’t matter

>>12289199
I win.

>>12289205
How do? All we have is the here and now. By your logic, we should all still be killing Native Americans because that is our heritage.

4chan is no longer an anime board. M00t is literally thinking about deleting /a/.

>>12289243
You don't get to decide what is and isn't evidence based on whether or not it makes you lose and argument.

I win.

>>12289250
That’s not true, I’m saying the past doesn’t matter.

Is this statement correct or false?

>>12287289
psychotic rambling with good marketing

nothing else

>>12289270
See
>>12289024

You just don’t put in the effort to understand Nick Land.

Every page of Nick Land takes me 1 hour to complete, minimum

>>12289262
False. To say the past doesn't matter is to make the assertion that everything just sprang out of the ground a second before observance fully-formed. Really the only people who say things like this do it to try and make themselves sound more intelligent, as if they chiselled themselves entirely out of stone.

You're basically just using Disney Monkey logic.

>>12287271
Literature has always described our world. written language.
In a way it has also foreseen a future technological society and described it broadly and in many different scenarios.

Literature is nothing more than the perception of our surroundings throught the use words.

>>12288757
Dunno about computers as a whole, (I'm considering going into programming as a career choice, so not much hope of that for me anyway), but since August I've replaced a lot of the time I used to spend online, especially social media, with reading - from more difficult texts to comfy reading genre fic, and it's definitely a big help. Obviously, challenging my mind is good, but staying away from social media politics/culture wars and reading works from past times helps put our current problems - both real and those exacerbated by social media/culture warriors - into context, and make me feel more at peace. Things that used to bother me online don't anymore as they feel ephemeral and unimportant.

Is it worth finishing lain? I dropped it around episode 9 it seemed so erratic in its plot. I thought it was just gonna be a comfy anime about some girl and instead I get alternate realities.

>>12289626
>expecting a comfy anime from Lain
It's one of the least comfy anime there is. Should probably just restart from the beginning if you really want to give it a shot, or drop.

>>12289626
yes

>>12289626
Watch Haibane Renmei instead, if you want comfy.

>>12289270
>good marketing
??? literally never seen his name mentioned outside of /lit/ and acc twitter. Sadler never even heard of him.

>>12289939
considering where he started and what he write about, that's a good accomplishment

>>12289951
He started out as a tenured philosophy professor, had he just written milquetoast critiques about Kant and Deleuze for a living he might actually be well known in academia.

>>12289972
What went wrong?
Was it drugs ?

>>12287289
He hummed and hummed his zombie tune

>>12287289
Is the whole book like this?
Good that I didn't buy into the meme

>>12289994
yes
>>12290002
no

>>12289626
Not really. If you want something in a similar vein that's more comprehensible (and IMO better), try Texhnolyze. If you want something comfy try Haibane Renmei.

>>12290017
than what's wrong with that page and don't say postmodernism .

>>12289626
just watch it and try to reassemble the show in a linear timeline. ofc its hard to understand due to its deleuzean memes within it.

>>12290044
nothing wrong with that page, I really like amphetamine Land. probably didn't help his academic career though.

>>12287346
Invention of Morel

>>12290061
I could get a very similar result if I bashed the keyboard with my penis a couple times.
What's special about it ?

>>12290077
do it then faggot

>>12290091
I will but what would the difference be ?

>>12290117
you sell the book and get money from /lit/ards?

>>12290124
But he does too

>>12290126
you would get the money, not land.

>>12290077
why does Land trigger brainlets?

>>12289626
lain is shit I wish I dropped it like you instead of finishing it

watch Texnolyze instead

>>12287271
some 13th century monk: “how can literature remain relevant in an i creasingly technological society?”
woah

>>12290136
Drug induced ramblings of a bright person remain ramblings and your refusal to elaborate on it or dismiss me without recurring to ad hominems doesn't help.

>>12289415
You are a sinful demon

>>12290162
what is there to elaborate on? it's a very modern take on cutup style. you're argument was "I could do that" which is the definition of pleb; you haven't even criticized it, only postured.

>>12290147
>Implying the printing press didn't destroy western civilization

>>12290199
>Protestant reformation
>French revolution
The printing press was a mistake

>>12290147

awful, just awful

read ellul

>>12289243
No, what you're saying is that you should be allowed to kill the indians even though they were here first. Anime was here first, you don't get to tell anime to fuck off. Furthermore, you're a fucking normalfag and need to fuck off and die.

>>12290185
By saying that I could do that with no experience whatsover by simply hitting the keyboard with my member I wanted to state that it looks like effortless shenanigans fill up prose .

>>12287271
this

Lain is like an internet hermit who disappears from suburban society for the sake of cyberspace transcendence. Literature provides personal escape from the bad cultural narratives posed by TV extremism and hyperactive social media. The point of literature in the future is to save the people from their degrading dopamine-rich Pavlovian trappings of internet-induced interconnectedness. The only thing missing is good contemporary literature. This board is proof that literature is not only relevant but possible.

>>12290257
>electromagnetic wave converts to electromagnetic wave

>>12290271
>The only thing missing is good contemporary literature. This board is proof that literature is not only relevant but possible.
A proof of this might be that this board discusses little contemporary literature, and a while early twentieth century texts are probably the most popular, there's a variety of discussion from the there to the ancients. Meanwhile, /mu/ and /tv/ discuss little BUT contemporary music, tv and film. Classical music is constrained to a single slow general thread on /mu/. I don't know whether this shows more dearth of good contemporary lit or that older works have a lot of potential significance for twenty-somethings.
Of course, those boards are also trash while /lit/ is merely half trash, but this in itself could be due the low quality of media they consume.

>>12287289
Does anyone have that what to read in order to understand Land chart ?

>>12290243
It depends on if you were purposefully hitting it with your penis or just randomly hitting it.

Technically speaking, you could write an epic with your penis, it would just take a lot of time.

>>12290330
Once low enough in altitude, the gammas start striking air
molecules, knocking electrons off. The Earth’s magnetic field causes the electrons to
turn coherently, and this constitutes an electric current, which generates an EM signal, This EM field propagates downward as
an EM wave.

after all the technical advances in our modern infrastructure (solid state electronics), it is certainty true to say that E1 HEMP is likely to be a bigger problem than it was in 1962 when
infrastructure generally consisted of electronic tubes, and power grid
relays that were bulky (and hardy) electromechanical devices

>>12290243
and you're still posturing

>>12290376

>>12290402
I don't stand a chance do I ?

>>12290229
gimme some specific recs and i will. dont pretend like another frenchfag is accessible enough for me to accept whatever contrary view youre implying

>>12290409
thanks

>>12290409
Someone was saying I need to understand programming languages, binary, and the Linux operating system in order to understand Nick Land. Is this the truth?

>>12288826
Young people (sub-25) these days have had an increasingly negative opinion regarding social media, and mostly only use it to keep in touch with family, because honestly only 'old people' still use social media
I guarantee that chatrooms, and more impersonal social media platforms, are going to make a comeback

Lain is still the best depiction of the future post-information age in fiction.

>>12290857
No, although the history of Unix is important to acc theory (see: https://vastabrupt.com/2018/10/31/gender-acceleration/))
I'm sure you would get more out of something like Fanged Noumena if you could read binary, but no one reads binary so it's no big deal. It's only three or four of his most amphetamine fueled essays he gets into binary. Most of Fanged Noumena is readable with nothing more than a sufficient philosophical background.

>>12289065
>>12289085
This right here is proof positive that /lit/ is nothing but psueds

>>12289057
The rundown is that it provides a very in-depth visual and literary representation on the nature of reality existing solely as a matter of perception and group-think, how 'objective' quickly fades away and is replaced by this as our lives become more ingrained with technology, and how all of it affects one's ego
The thing is that it also becomes increasingly open-ended and obtuse towards certain plot points, so this, combined with a general reaction to the '2deep4u fag' meme of the actually pretentious Evangelion and how Lain can actually be 2deep4u, means people write it off as pretentious naval gazing
A summary of the plot consists of pic related

Bump

it cant and it wont be missed

poetry all has died out and nothing changed

>>12288997
AND ALL THE FEARS YOU HOLD SO DEEAAAR

>>12287271

He wrote, using written published language, on a widely accessible, free and open popular forum where pure ideas are exchanged, without appreciating the irony of what he'd written, unless he was having a giggle maybe.

>>12287289
schizoid the book

>>12292892
4chan is literature

Bump

>>12289415
>To say the past doesn't matter is to make the assertion that everything just sprang out of the ground a second before observance fully-formed.
Not him but I stopped reading there, you're not even trying (or so I hope)

>>12288205
I'd be surprised if he hasn't seen it

>>12295592
did he watch any anime?
Maybe Eva...

>>12289279
>Every page of Nick Land takes me 1 hour to complete, minimum
Encryption, when properly done, takes much longer than decrypting without a key.

>>12287289
Could someone decypher the morse part for me

>>12295669

>>12287346
read mcluhan

>>12295822
I don't get how it works.
Where does each letter and word end ?
What's the difference between ### and ## ?

>>12295855
Each character segment ends at a small gap. Each character ends at a large gap. The first character after "snowcrash?'" = dot dash dot.

>>12295855
>What's the difference between ### and ## ?
This actually stumps me. KIM that I never posited that the text was CW (Morse code) - that was someone else.

>>12295908
I see.
Do you have any idea what the # part might say ?

>>12288562
Are you ESL? Did you nod off halfway through making your post and forgot a few sentences?

>>12295918
>Do you have any idea?
I have done some crypto but I would likely be stumped by this unless I read the Landian text for context. The secret is likely in the earlier sections of the book - so it's like a chanese inside joke.
>aren't we so clever
>only we understand this

>>12295918
Akkshuallllyy - it looks like something they are doing on ROBLOX:
>https://www.roblox.com/groups/group.aspx?gid=3120200

>>12290899
It's already happening, if you consider that discord servers are little more than chatrooms then the average zoomer has already reverted back to the much more manageable habits of the turn of the millennium

>>12288049
natsuki is second best girl.
sayori is clearly superior to everyone else.

>>12288049
>>12296839
weebs fuck off
weebs fuck off
t. weeb

Tonari no Kyuuketsuki-san was fall AOTS and Sophie is best girl of the year.

>>12288089
based beyond belief

Bump

>>12290409
Who the fuck is Nick Land?

>>12299105
this guy