/lit/ - Literature

No one cares about your dumb Norwegian ass.

>>12285726
Not a Scandinavian but I guess that reading non-poetic mythological texts in their original language is quite time-wasting. Plus, isn't Homer mandatory at European schools?

>>12285756
>Plus, isn't Homer mandatory at European schools?
Used to be, Homer has now been replaced by Mohammed.

>>12285726
Norwegian here, i would just go for an english translation as they generally have a wider consumer base and you get more to choose from in terms of translations.
In Norwegian you'll either get something more modern or something written in Danish-Norwegian from the 19th century.

>>12285756
Im an Aryan and I never learnt about Homer at school.

>>12285756
> Plus, isn't Homer mandatory at European schools?

Don't know for the rest of Europe, but not in Norwegian schools. He was barely mentioned in our history class if I remember correctly. The oldest literature I've read in school is the viking sagas.

I read them in Swedish, with Erland Lagerlöfs translation, and they were fine. Norwegian translations are probably just as good as any others.

You should get a grasp on mythology, but honestly you can just look up shit you don't know on wikipedia while reading.

>>12285756
I only had to read an abridged version of the Odyssey in school.

>>12285768
You have any examples of collections I should read (either english or norwegian for that matter) ? I have no idea about which ones are good and which ones are absolutely trash.

>>12285788
definitely Greek Religion by Burkert

>>12285777
>>12285781
Huh, in Russia it's studied in the 6th grade as far as I remember. Can't tell whether it was the full or a castrated version though

>>12285726
I read Plato and Homer both in Swedish. I doubt I missed anything that an english translation could have given me. Infact, if your swedish reading comprehension is good, I'd recommend Erland Lagerlöf's translation of Homer. They are absolutely exceptional.

>Sjung, o gudinna, om vreden, som brann hos Peliden Achilles
>olycksdiger, till tusende kval för achaiernas söner,
>och som till Hades en mängd av behjärtade krigaresjälar
>störtade ned och lät hjältarnes lik för hundar och fåglar
>bliva på marken till rov - det skedde, som Zeus ju det ville -,
>allt från den stund, då de började först att sig tvistande söndra,
>Atreus' son, härskarornas drott, och den ädle Achilles.

But really, unless the work was originally written in english, or there is cause to believe that english has a far better translation, you should read works in norwegian (if you can). Your understanding of english is probably not as robust as a potential norwegian translators grasp of, say, greek.

>>12285756
In norwegian school we just studied poetry of gay niggers and commercials.

>>12285827
Russian students are also assigned War and Peace, but obviously nobody reads the assigned books.

>>12285843
This is really accurate holy shit

>>12285844
True, but particulary Odyssey and Iliad are studied during the school year so it's not like you can just skip them. However, most of students do forget the plot the day after they had a test on it

>>12285756
in denmark, yes, but not in norshit and swedistan

>>12285843
>commercials
fuck, that is incredibly true.

>>12286008
My Danish brother, don't you remember Denmark-Norway.
Oh if it only could be like that again!

>>12285843
>poetry of gay niggers
Name names

>>12286039
Kys, landssviker. 400 års-natta aldri glemme aldri tilgi!

Read hamsun harald

>>12286088
Not necessarily gay niggers, but at least gay people and niggers. I'll be honest and say I don't remember most of the names, but each time we had about contemporary literature, it was always about novel or short story about how hard it was to be a nigger immigrant coming here illegally and some clear leftist brainwashing about how multiculturalism is our main strength.

>>12286144
I went to a regular swedish school, run by the municipality, and I'm pretty sure we looked at boring ole classics.

Sure as shit don't remember any gaynigger poetry. Though this is about Norway, correct?

>>12286100
what did he mean by this

>>12286154
>>12286154
Read Hamsun, Harald

>>12286144
Wtf man we just read ibsen, obstfelder etc

>>12286153
We went through a couple of classic short stories by Bjornson and the progressive plays by Ibsen (Dukkehjem, of course). We also read some excerpts from Victoria by Hamsun. But that is only like 20% of the curriculum I'd guess. Most of it is commercials about climate change, "le technology bad!!!", or other types of leftist propaganda. Add some short stories and movies by some young hip niggerauthor who was bullied because he didn't have his foreskin and that's about it. And the viking sagas.

>>12286189
>climate change is leftist propaganda
er du, om jeg tor si det, tilbakestående?

>>12286144
Oslo?

>>12286189
Read Industrial society and its future


Thanks

>>12286215
No, Sandefjord.

>>12286207
Jeg tror på klimaendringer, men sånn det ble presentert på skolen er mer "Kan dere tro at hoyresiden ikke bryr seg om dette!?", og ikke som et objektivt tema.

>>12286222
Why, whats deal with it? its written by some terrorist?

>>12286256
Yes, still you should read it, not long at all but filled with original and interesting takes on our future.

>>12286215
I live in Oslo and have never had any of that on my pensum, only the norse sagas and commercial analysis, Ibsen and such.

Läs dem på norska engelska är ett jävla skitspråk.

>>12286438
men mye er oversatt til engelsk.

>>12286447
Annan anon, men har ni inte haft minst en bra Homeros-översättare i Norge? Finns ju som tidigare sagt en briljant svensk sådan, om du nu orkar läsa svenska.

>>12286447
>>12286495
Läser du på norska lär du rätt terminologi också vilket kan skilja sig åt från engelska.
Jag har själv vid tillfällen framstått som en idiot för att jag läst vissa saker på engelska och inte kunnat den svenska terminologin

>>12286495
>>12286528
det er sant! Vi har nok noen gode oversettelser av Homer, men de er vanskelige å finne.
Svensk går helt fint å lese, mye bedre enn nynorsk.

>>12286421
You didnt go to a private school or something? Or how old are you? I am 18, so this is pretty recent.

>>12285726n
Går helt fint å lese Illiaden på nynorsk og Odysseen på bokmål, en innforing er ikke nodvendig. Angående norsk litteratur, anbefaler jeg blant annet Bestalitetens Historie av Bjorneboe. Når det gjelder teknologi, anbefaler jeg «The Metaphysics of Technology» av David Skrbina

>>12286528
>Jag har själv vid tillfällen framstått som en idiot för att jag läst vissa saker på engelska och inte kunnat den svenska terminologin
Jag skäms varje gång det händer. Det är det man får för att man läser för mycket skit på engelska, och inte nog med skit på svenska. Försöker hur som helst bättra mig; har läst ganska mycket Harry Martinson det senaste, och Dostojevskij på svenska såklart (Staffan Dahl och Hans Björkegren är toppen). Nästa bok blir nog Hjalmar Söderbergs Doktor Glas.

>>12286544
Erland Lagerlöf var ett tragiskt geni av rang, anon. Hans högst medvetet utdaterade ordval i Iliaden (t.ex. drott istället för kung; en sorts fornnordisk ledare eller hövding) ger eposet en ännu mer mytologisk och forntida känsla. Han åberopar vår egen forntid för att tolka den grekiska.

>>12286544
Nå er det ikke oversettelse av Homer jeg spor om heller, men en god samling av de greske mytologiske fortellingene.

>>12286596
en god norsk samling, that is.

>>12286588
>Hans Björkegren
Hans "nyöversatta" (ocensurerade) "I den första kretsen" av Solsjenitsyn är nog det bästa jag läst någonsin.
Jag försöker läsa ungefär 50/50 men sakprosa blir mest engelska. Nästan allt finns ju faktiskt översatt till svenska även meme böcker såsom Cioran och Celine. Har visserligen läst att översättningen av "resa till nattens ände" inte ska vara jättebra, själv tyckte jag andra halvan blev jävligt tjatig men är osäker på om en bättre översättning hade räddat den.

>>12286596
>>12286611
Gresk mytologi av Terje Nordby kan du prove?
Greske Guder og Helter av Leo Hjortso

Alright you tangnjost fuckers, enough with the vowels have eyes gibberish. Tell me what books I should read from your country instead.

>>12287236
Aniara by Harry Martinson.

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>>12286207
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>>12286447
>>12286528
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>>12286733
Speak english

>>12285756
He is, we read a few of his works.

>>12288459
>a few of his works
There are more than two works by Homer?

Just read in english so you improve your english skills and knowledge at the same time. Not all books are translated into your native tongue but most are in english.

>>12285756
>Plus, isn't Homer mandatory at European schools?
I just read Strindberg, Zola and Boye and some excerpts from different classics in school. I read more books in English class, however most of them were just meme books.

>>12287236
The Emigrants - Moberg

>>12288526
English is not as fun to read desu

>>12288661
Moberg is for the plebs

>>12288664
Moberg was one of the working-class autodidacts alongside people like Harry Martinson, so yes, he quite literally was a plebeian author.

what comfy norwegian books would you recommend to someone who loves knausgaard and hamsun?
also are the first two knausgaards novels worth a read?

>>12288526
Krinsch och blåpillrat

>>12288752
Gabriel Scott and Tarjei Vesaas. And the first to Knausgård novels suck ass.

>>12286658
"meme böcker" Johan gå och lägg dig

>>12288986
Förlåt givetvis skrivs det "memeböcker"

>>12285756
I live in Sweden and we had to watch and read the old greeks.

>>12285726
https://www.nb.no/items/300e073a9f3f46dedae6fb1158b8dcaf?page=0&searchText=blant%20gudar%20p%C3%A5%20olymp

>>12288986
>Johan
Har jag missat ett nytt mem eller nått?

>>12289207
>mem
Jagjag*

>>12289207
>>12289107
>>12288986
heter jagjag era jontar

>>12289223
>>12289224
Ja ja, jag vet att jagjag är den humoristiska översättningen, men faktum är att "meme" kommer från "gene", och översätts rimligtvis till "mem".

God fortsättning förresten.

>>12285726
http://www.ibiblio.org/ml/libri/b/BerensEM_MythsLegends_s.pdf#page=143

found this one very nice

>>12285771
Pajeet

>>12288661
>>12287248
Two books about the tragic lives of people who bettered themselves by leaving Scandinavia for a vast, depressing wasteland.
Well, ok, thanks. Also, consider moving somewhere sunny.

>>12286189
How did you parents allow,that to happen?

>>12290128
You mean how did his parents allow for their alt-right snowflake son to be triggered at school?

>>12285726
>but by just reading the foreword I understand that I need to know more about Greek mythology
You don't. You really need to be a moron to need stuff like Hamilton's "Mythology". At worst you can look up the references as you read. But any proper edition of Homer should have them explained in the foot/endnotes anyway.
You don't have to grasp each and every reference to enjoy and understand a book. Homer is a clear, flowing writer.

Btw, any Danishfag here? How is Jorn Riel considered in his own country? It was quite a trend when his tales were translated here in France but I felt a bit disappointed when I read some.

>>12286039
Én dag, Norske broder.

>>12285843
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>>12286028
>>12286144
>>12286189
This is some serious false flagging bullshit.

The only thing I had in literature class in public school in Norway was constant glorification of past Norwegian authors and I didn't go to school that long ago.