/lit/ - Literature

>>12279961
The Republic

>>12279961
The Ego and Its Own

>>12279974
This is a good answer. Any of Plato, really. "A good man cannot be harmed in life or death".

>>12279989
The Ego and its own is also a good choice because its the result and the non-cucked conclusion of the book of ecclesiasties

The Ego and Its Own opens and closes with a quotation from Johann Wolfgang von Goethe that reads "I have taken up my cause without foundation", with the unstated next line of the poem being "and all the world is mine". One of Stirner's central ideas is that in realizing the self is "nothing" one is said to "own the world" because—as the book states in its last line—"all things are nothing to me" [Ibidem, p. 324]:

>>12279961
Walt Whitman, Spinoza (if you actually study it), Nietzsche

>>12279961
NDE accounts

You are loved. You are cherished. Your soul chose a life where you would feel "weak" in order for you to express and understand true unconditional self-love. There is nothing at all wrong with you

>>12280009
How would Spinoza help? His ethics are very logico-mathematical aren't they? It seems they would be just as unsuccessful at preventing suicide as Kant's Categorical Imperative.

>>12280004
free and fractalpilled

>>12280031
They wouldn't help. The other poster is a pseud. OP start with The Ego and Its Own. Be wary of Nietzsche because his idealist concept of the ubermench might get you spooked. The Ego and its Own actually goes through the history of philosophy through a decent lens.

>>12280016
>You are loved. You are cherished.
Factually wrong.

>Your soul chose a life where you would feel "weak" in order for you to express and understand true unconditional self-love.
My soul must be developmentally retarded because there's been nothing but problems arising from being weak and seeking out "true unconditional self-love" since the day I was born.

>There is nothing at all wrong with you
Factually wrong.

not OP but go spout off that bullshit idealistic just-world-fallacy crap somewhere else

The never ending story

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>>12280073
>dude your suffering matters lmao
Wrong.

>>12280084
It matters to you, and there's no other way it could matter: meaning is purely subjective anyway.

>>12280057
>Factually wrong.

If you take the physical realm for being all there is, then yes I am wrong.

>My soul must be developmentally retarded because there's been nothing but problems arising from being weak and seeking out "true unconditional self-love" since the day I was born.

I don't know your situation, but unconditional self-love is just one of the many virtues you have been trying to perfect and experience over your many incarnations (some of which may or may not have even been human.) Also, it has been known to be the case that many have taken on too hard of a burden in their pre-life planning (disobeying their soul guides) as a way to quickly learn what should take many lifetimes. This is where suicides and the like figure in. If you feel your life is too hard, you need to remember that this is what you ultimately chose and get in touch with your higher being

>Factually wrong.

Again, if the physical realm is all there is, I am wrong. But when you die you'll see that no matte what, you are perfect. You are loved. The only wrong there is, is when you feel and experience the pain you have inflicted on others in your life's review. The people who treat you badly now, will feel your pain and know your struggles. They will refine themselves spiritually as they undergo their own journey in infinity

>>12280084
Only I matter, so yes.

>>12280104
>If you feel your life is too hard, you need to remember that this is what you ultimately chose and get in touch with your higher being
Tell me where you are so I can shoot you for being so fucking retarded

>>12279961
ever heard of THE BIBLE?

>>12280084
Why read if you don’t care about anyone?

>>12280131
You will understand. I will always be there to love you even if you shoot me

>>12280137
he cares, if he didnt care he would have killed himself already

>>12280132
>written by a bunch of poor arabs in a dessert
100 percent legit.

>>12280160
t. banished from eden

>>12280160
>he's not Christian Identity

yowzer

>>12280176
>be CI
*gets BTFO by archaeogenetics*
>converts into a steppenigger supremecist

It's 2018. Get with the times

>>12280193
the steppes were Aryan post Atlantis

>>12279961
Flee, my friend, into your solitude! I see you deafened by the noise of great men and stung all over by the barbs of small ones.
Forest and rock know how to keep with you a dignified silence. Be again like the tree that you love, broad-branched: quietly listening it leans out over the sea.
Where solitude ceases, there begins the market-place; and where the market-place begins, there also begins the noise of the great play-actors* and the buzzing of poisonous flies.
In this world even the finest things amount to nothing without someone to make a show of them: great men the people call these showmen.
Little do the people comprehend what is great, which is: the creative. But they do have a sense for all showmen and play-actors of great matters.
Around inventors of new values the world revolves—invisibly it revolves. Yet around play-actors the people and fame revolve: that is ‘the way of the world’.
Spirit the play-actor has, yet little conscience of the spirit. He always believes in that whereby he most strongly makes others believe—makes believe in himself!
Tomorrow he has a new belief and the day after tomorrow a newer one. Quick senses he has, like the people, and changeable weather.
To bowl over—that he calls: to demonstrate. To drive frantic—that he calls: to convince. And blood counts for him as the best of all grounds.
A truth that slips only into refined ears he calls a lie and nothing. Verily, he believes only in Gods that make a great noise in the world!
Filled with solemn jesters is the market-place—and the people boast about their great men! These are their lords of the hour.
But the hour presses them: and so they press you. And from you too they want a Yea or Nay. Alas, you want to set down your chair between For and Against?
On account of these unconditional and obtrusive ones be without jealousy, you lover of truth! Never yet has truth hung on the arm of someone unconditional.
On account of these precipitous ones go back into your security: only in the market-place is one assailed by ‘Yea?’ or ‘Nay?’.
Slow is experience for all deep wells: long must they wait before they know just what has fallen into their depths.
Far from the market-place and fame happens all that is great: far from the market-place and fame have the inventors of new values always lived.
Flee, my friend, into your solitude: I see you stung all over by poisonous flies. Flee to where raw and bracing air blows!
Flee into your solitude! You have lived too close to the petty and the wretched. Flee from their invisible revenge! Toward you they are nothing but revenge.
No longer raise your arm against them! Innumerable are they, and it is not your lot to be a swatter of flies.
Innumerable are these petty and wretched creatures; and for the collapse of many a proud structure raindrops and weeds have been sufficient.

>>12280261
You are no stone, but you have already become hollow from many drops. You will yet break and burst apart from many drops.
I see you wearied by poisonous flies; I see you bloodily scratched in a hundred places: and your pride does not even want to be wrathful.
Blood they would like from you in all innocence, blood is what their bloodless souls desire—and therefore they sting in all innocence.
But, you who are deep, you suffer too deeply even from small wounds; and before you could even heal yourself, the same poison-worm was crawling over your hand.
Too proud are you to kill these sweet-toothed creatures. But beware lest it become your undoing to bear all their poisonous injustice!
They buzz around you with their praising too: importunity is their praising. They want the nearness of your skin and your blood.
They flatter you as they would a God or Devil; they whimper before you as before a God or Devil. What of it! Flatterers are they and whimperers, and nothing more.
They often present themselves as charming too. But that has always been the cleverness of cowards. Yes, cowards are clever!
They think of you much with their narrow souls—suspicious are you always for them! All that is thought of much becomes suspicious.
They punish you for all your virtues. They forgive you from the ground up only—for your mistakes.
Because you are gentle and of righteous disposition, you say: ‘Innocent are they in their petty existence.’ But their narrow souls think: ‘Blameworthy is all great existence.’
Even when you are gentle toward them, they still feel despised by you; and they repay your beneficence with concealed maleficence.
Your wordless pride always goes against their taste; they rejoice if for once you are modest enough to be vain.
That which we recognize in someone else, we also inflame in that person. So beware of the petty!
Before you they feel petty, and their baseness glows and smoulders against you in invisible revenge.
Have you not noticed how often they became mute when you approached them, and how their strength went from them like smoke from a dying fire?
Yes, my friend, you are the bad conscience for your neighbours: for they are unworthy of you. Thus they hate you now and would dearly like to suck your blood.
Your neighbours will always be poisonous flies; that which is great in you—that itself must make them more poisonous and ever more fly-like.
Flee, my friend, into your solitude and to where raw and bracing air blows. It is not your lot to be a swatter of flies.—

>>12280261
>>12280263
Ah, good ol' Soren.

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>>12280043
I've read a bit of Nietzsche, Satre, Camus, and Foucault but practically no other philosophy. Could I read The Ego and its Own and understand it or do I need more context?

>>12280324
You better acquainting yourself with Kant and Hegel's moral philosophy, lest you misunderstand Stirner completely and join the legion of retards memeing about him.

>>12280337
>tied his hand to not masturbate for his sky daddy
Weak.

>>12280337
I'm familiar enough with Kant from secondary sources but I wouldn't know where to start with Hegel and I have heard he's quite difficult. Recommendations?

>>12280358
If you know that Hegel is about DUDE ABSOLUTE LMAO then you probably know enough.

>>12280104
God bless

>>12280374
lol alright then

thanks

>>12280104
Since you seem wise to these things, let me ask you about a conundrum.

I´m trying to "fix" (unsucessfully so) my horrendous relation to my parents - I was set free earlier by realizing the true causal nature of our bondage and so broke it off. Now I´m back at their house, laying on the fucking floor sobbing, realizing what every day felt like growing up here. At the same time, I can´t help myself being truly antagonistic towards them. A dark cloud eliminating every fresh breath.

Never been this close to suicide. Do i just walk out on them again? Leaving them devastated as to "what have we done wrong". Or do i continue failing to make up and leave myself miserable... this is the true low point of my life.

>>12280043
>idealist concept of the ubermensch
wew yeah you are right buddy i am the pseud
epitome of why no one on /lit/ takes stirner seriously post-2012

>>12280031
Spinoza is one of the few serious handshakes given to monism in the West, which splits off into a deep transcendentalism or a sublime naturalism or both i'm by no means the first to suggest spinoza as deeply life-affirming and close to some Eastern philosophical views and, guess what, Nietzsche. Only a borderline retard like above anon offhandedly dismisses one of the most diverse thinkers in Western philo. . The Kant comparison doesn't really hold because 1) Spinoza was a better writer and 2) Spinoza's major project, or at least the most interesting part, is not to devise a moral theory.

>>12279961
I am really glad I have autism that prevents me from having these emotions.

>>12279961
The Capital
you'll understand how society is formed by systems that aren't eternal and can be easily improved with realistic expectations.

>>12280441
No, OP, you kill yourself. That seems like the most obvious solution, hence why you're gravitating toward it now.

>>12279961
Do good for the kids.

>>12279961

The Gospel of Thomas.

>>12280441
You have a tough choice to make. If you legitimately cannot handle being with them, if it is making you suicidal, walk away. Take a break and try to understand that they, being your parents, have most likely been with you forever. You incarnate with your "soul group" and once they are here, they play certain roles which you all have agreed to. In this lifetime it could be the case that they are there to bring this feeling within you so that you can forgive them and learn the value of love. It could be that you are here for their betterment - to make them understand loss and regret. You cannot know unless you see a psychic and even then perhaps not. In any case, do what makes you feel right knowing that suicide is never the answer as all it does is postpone what you are meant to do now for later

>>12280646
How can you understand lit with your emotion blindness?

>>12279961
Thomas Ligotti's Conspiracy Against the Human Race

>>12279961
train boxing, muay thai and bjj. If you can beat people up, that will help you.

>>12279961
>...upon reading will 100%...
None. That takes work on your part. Reading the right ideas is just a push, you still have to put it into practice. That said: Plato's Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, and Phaedo, and Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. You could read them all in a day.

Go to Christmas Mass, OP. You'll be welcome and may recognize the truth of what you've been told ITT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47SSmx0IJEI

>>12280733
I just mostly read technical shit like Don Norman or pic related.

>>12280324
You can jump into Stirner without too much context. Just read him you cuck.

>>12280324
>Nietzsche, Satre, Camus, and Foucault
no wonder you want to kys : (

>>12280802
Thanks, anon
Extremely interesting

>>12280718
Thank you. See this is where my heart breaks. I did everything perfect and so could live with myself (for the first time). I had everything you just said down to a T . And now i wonder wtf I am doing - also for the first time. I met God. Now this...

What´s the path back to grace, please dear anon?
And god bless you.

>>12280084
Reas it again, it truly matters in literature, why would you read the suffering of young werther, if you would not care for suffering, that men, like yourself as other posters said, experience.

Have a good season

>>12279961
>Physical strength isn't helping
The fact that you say this tells me you don't even lift, or at best did some pushups one day and then dismissed physical culture entirely.

>>12280300
This is Zarathustra on the flies of the market-place. I’d actually recommend it to OP.

>>12280149
What spiritual background do you have?

>>12280910
>kills himself and blames it on muh modernity
Yep, literally this site.

>>12280928
Post Physique

>>12280665
Gtfo

>>12280875
I will pray for you, not the anon though

>>12280943
Inferiority complex, reminds me of those congo dandies.

>>12280911
Fuck, it reads so much like certain Kierkegaard's passages it's uncanny. Like what Johannes would write to a certain young man.

>>12280910
>mfw that used to be my physique
feels bad losing all motivation lads : (

>>12279961
never understood why people think this picture is sad, for all we know the guy's parents could have just put together a small family gathering for his birthday and he could've celebrated through other ways with his friends

Dig into the Stoics.

>>12279961
the unhappiest one - kierkegaard